Saudi Arabia has long been criticized for its extreme religious beliefs as part of its devotion to Wahhabism. Now the Kingdom has generated more controversy by giving one of Saudi Arabia’s most prestigious prizes to Zakir Naik, an Islamic school who said that the Koran (Quran) “allows Muslims to have sex with female slaves” and seemed to support Osama Bin Laden, at least to the extent to which he was “fighting the enemies of Islam.” Saudi Arabia’s new King Salman gave Naik the King Faisal International Prize (KFIP) 2015 personally.
Naik, 49, has been barred from travel to Britain because of what the country cited as “unacceptable behavior.”
The statement on slaves came when the Indian Islamic scholar observed that “There are many verses in the Quran which say you can have sex with your wife and with whatever your right hand possesses. . . . Right hand possesses . . . which means your slaves.”
The King Faisal International Prize recognises the outstanding works of individuals and institutions in five categories — Service to Islam, Islamic Studies, Arabic Language and Literature, Medicine and Science. Naik received his award for awarded the KFIP for his services to Islam for a lifetime’s teaching about Islam, including his work founding of the Peace Channel, a comparative religion TV channel. He was given a handwritten Arabic certificate on the laureate’s achievements, a commemorative 24-carat 200-gram gold medal and a cheque of USD 200,000.
While Saudi Arabia has opposed such extremist groups like ISIS, the country continues to maintain medieval laws that deny women basic freedoms, deny basic freedoms of speech and religion to other faiths, and impose extreme Sharia law on its citizens.
on 1, March 5, 2015 at 5:09 pmhappypappies
“I told you I am not casting aspirations on a precious religion.”
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You know, when you cast aspirations on someone it’s actually a good thing!
Inga
Allegations. I was pissed off. I am still pissed off at that man. I am very familiar with him like you are with that one creepy guy you are always putting up there Inga. He makes Glen Beck look normal
Po
Don’t tell me to get over this it’s barbaric Women sold into slavery and then to adore their husbands. I see it here in Missouri and they are hot by the swimming pool while their husband can sit in a swimming suit and look at other women.
Po
He is ranting Po
ranting
Islamic law is superior
Po
I have listened to this man before
I have a friend in Pakistan that has tried to talk me into this line of reasoning and I don’t buy it
Mullah Karen
Yes, the whole world is dangerous, dark, violent…everywhere but the USA.
Crimes happen only in the realms of Islam and outside of the US.
How can you see much with that log in your eye befuddles me.
Oh, yes, you can’t see 🙂
Happy
DR NAIK IS NOT SLEEPING WITH SLAVES.
HE DOES NOT HAVE SLAVES.
HE HAS NEVER HAD SLAVES.
YOU FELL FOR SOMEONE FEEDING YOU QUOTES OUT OF CONTEXT.
COME DOWN, TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND LET IT GO 🙂
This is why I come back when Islam is discussed, to counter the malicious narratives lest somebody believe them.
Po, How do you know this? Seriously. I told you I am not casting aspirations on a precious religion. He could be Santa raping Babies. Where there is smoke there is fire.
Why do you think a fine man like JT would say something like that unless there was some evidence.
The allegation was he sleeps with Female Slaves. Has he come forward and said he doesn’t? No.
(Redo, ignore above.)
The moderate Muslims are similar to Judaism and Christianity in that they take the writings of their holy book (Torah, +NT, +Koran [,+hadith]) as sometimes being out of date.
Those who take their holy book as literal truth (in some mysterious way resolving all contradictions) are dangerous. From Jim Jones, and David Koresh to the new Caliphate.
ISIS is strict fundamentalist. Their holy book declares, for example, that upon defeating an enemy their females become concubines. They take this literally.
They are not Stone Age savages. They have their intellectuals working out how to resolve the contradictions. Everyone who does not believe as they do _including, inter alia, any Muslim who disagrees with them in any particular of the practice of Islam.
They really, really believe that this is the beginning of the end of time. Their end-game is to be the last 1000 survivors who, at the end, win as Allah intervenes.
Were it simply a local problem the locals might well take care of it. Iran is in the fight.
They are a problem for the world. It may be right and proper to assist Iran (!) and other more-moderate Muslim states. Perhaps a UN police action declaration.
And, yes, even many of the more-moderate Muslims are dangerous, too. Less dangerous for now. One problem at a time.
Happy:
“I am at the point that in my old age I am ready to go over there and get all sandy and fight for their rights since they don’t have enough sense to do it themselves.”
No kidding. Many years ago, prior to 9/11, I often said that I wished I could take all the women out of Afghanistan and evacuate there here, away from the Taliban and their like. If their men abused them they shouldn’t get to have them.
Po will start arguing with you vehemently if you criticize any abuses done in the name of Islam. It doesn’t matter if you have no problem whatsoever with peaceful, moderate Islam.
It’s perfectly alright to criticize the Catholic Church for the pedophilia scandal, but heaven forbid you say that Muslim extremism needs to change anything. 🙂
The moderate Muslims are similar to Judaism and Christianity in that none of them take the writings of their holy book (Torah, +NT, +Koran [,+hadith]) as sometimes being out of date.
Those who take their holy book as literal truth (in some mysterious way resolving all contradictions) are dangerous. From Jim Jones, and David Koresh to the new Caliphate.
ISIS is strict fundamentalist. Their holy book declares, for example, that upon defeating an enemy their females become concubines. They take this literally.
They are not Stone Age savages. They have their intellectuals working out how to resolve the contradictions. Everyone who does not believe as they do _including, inter alia, any Muslim who disagrees with them in any particular of the practice of Islam.
They really, really believe that this is the beginning of the end of time. Their end-game is to be the last 1000 survivors who, at the end, win as Allah intervenes.
Were it simply a local problem the locals might well take care of it. Iran is in the fight.
They are a problem for the world. It may be right and proper to assist Iran (!) and other more-moderate Muslim states. Perhaps a UN police action declaration.
And, yes, even many of the more-moderate Muslims are dangerous, too. Less dangerous for now. One problem at a time.
Karen S
I am a Human Being that has been much abused at the hands of so called Christian Men. When I see another Man that sleeps with Slaves openly getting an award for Wahhabism which is what I understand pure orthodoxy meaning One God.
It would not matter where or what this was. If Po would go back to the Lords Resistance Army and Joseph Kony he would see I reacted the same. Why Jim Jones keeps getting brought up idk? Who cares. We know he was a psycho. I know Charles Manson was a psycho.
This is a problem NOW> NOW> it is relevant
I could not believe that psycho Jim Jones got those children to drink the Koolaid laced with cyanide. I know we have childhood prostitution rings in the USA
What is the diffence
WE ADMIT IT
WE TRY TO CHANGE IT
WE HAVE LAWS.
“The topic being Islam, she couldn’t keep away, and her contribution, as always, casts the whole as the few. Pretty islam -loving move me thinks!
Welcome Mullah Karen. Let us know what else we need to know about shariah law.
By the way, Boko Haram is not in the ME. For someone so knowledgeable about all things Islam, you disappoint me there.”
Exhibit A – this is what Po contributes when I criticize extremist Islam and support moderate Islam. This is a well established pattern, verifying that Po is either in serious denial or merely defending the indefensible.
And no kidding BH is not in the ME. It started in Nigeria. Who said it was in the ME?
I said the ME is devolving. No rational, intelligent person would say it is progressing the area of human rights or freedom of speech.
The African continent cannot get any worse than it already is. It’s been torn by intertribal violence, slavery, and disease. Violent Muslim extremism is just par for the course for them, unfortunately.
Any progress made in Africa in planting trees, building wells, fair trade, environmental stewardship, poaching, medicine, or restoring groundwater systems is meaningless until they can get rid of the violence.
happypappies says:
Po
How can Muslims say that Christians disrespect their women because they give them too much freedom when Mr Naik receives an Award for Wahhabbism and has sexual relations with female slaves.
Happy, don’t fall for it, this is NOT about Islam and Christianity. It is not about Iranians and Americans either. Nor is it about Russians and Americans. The governments are not the people, the leaders are not the people.
Also, Dr Naik is NOT a wahhabist, though Saudi arabia is.
Also, Dr Naik does NOT have slaves, male or female to have sex with…or not. He was discussing what the Quran allowed 1400 years ago, which was actually in effect all over the world, as recently as in the time of slavery right here on our shores. The structure of warring since the beginning of times has been to kill and enslave, so to make it about one group or another is misguided, it is about human beings
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I take this a personal slap in the face Po. I don’t care what any other Christian, Muslim or person on here says. I say that as a Woman. He is being recognized and I am saying this across the culture I spit on you. You pig. Okay? I have no respect for a man who hides behind a religious badge token and sleeps with slaves. What a pig. Man or woman. That is human bondage and the Human Race is past that. Don’t tell me that Muslim is about Peace if that is the Inference there. I know what it says in the Koran. But if it is about peace, you must practice it consistently.
Don’t make it about you, Happy, it is not about you.
The mistake we make is always to make things about us, which is what I spoke about in my reply to Mike. As long as people limit themselves to interpreting whatever text they believe in, that is their choice and privilege. One has the right to believe in whatever they want as long as it does not affect the lives of others.
You may believe in whatever the Bible says to you, Mike may believe in non-belief and what it says to him, Dr Naik may believe in the quran and what he believes it says…
Prof Turley, offering this post that selectively quotes and frames the person is doing just exactly the opposite of what he claims he stands for, freedom of speech.
They don’t say that but they argue back and forth so much it drives me insane.
Oh good grief. Did anyone say they approved of slavery, much less sleeping with slaves? Did anyone even say they approved of Niak? This thread has gone over the river and through the woods. LOL!
Annie to clarify this –
I am not talking about Po but the freaking Wahabbi pig. I am sorry. But I am around the bend with these Arabs thinking they can act like it’s the 7th century still. I feel the same way about Iraqi’s and their women. Very strongly. I have been subjugated before and it did not sit well. I am at the point that in my old age I am ready to go over there and get all sandy and fight for their rights since they don’t have enough sense to do it themselves.
Po
How can Muslims say that Christians disrespect their women because they give them too much freedom when Mr Naik receives an Award for Wahhabbism and has sexual relations with female slaves.
I take this a personal slap in the face Po. I don’t care what any other Christian, Muslim or person on here says. I say that as a Woman. He is being recognized and I am saying this across the culture I spit on you. You pig. Okay? I have no respect for a man who hides behind a religious badge token and sleeps with slaves. What a pig. Man or woman. That is human bondage and the Human Race is past that. Don’t tell me that Muslim is about Peace if that is the Inference there. I know what it says in the Koran. But if it is about peace, you must practice it consistently.
I am a forgiving person and if my neighbor ends their enmity with me – I will drop it. You have seen me do it. But this is wrong. And I will say so.
I totally agree with Mike Appleton and I am very glad he spoke up.
Paul, I am so used to chasing YOU around to answer my questions to no avail that I am lost right now with your demand that I answer your questions.
Gladly! Just remind me what they are again!
Karen is here everybody!
The topic being Islam, she couldn’t keep away, and her contribution, as always, casts the whole as the few. Pretty islam -loving move me thinks!
Welcome Mullah Karen. Let us know what else we need to know about shariah law.
By the way, Boko Haram is not in the ME. For someone so knowledgeable about all things Islam, you disappoint me there.
Could you again, please read the topic before coming to class? The cleric above never claimed to want to resurrect slavery. I know, comprehension is pretty difficult when one is blinded with hatred but please try harder, you are holding the class behind.
Are people here unaware of the history of the Arab slave trade?
It is unfortunate that organizations such as Boko Haram, and the cleric above, are resurrecting that practice. They seem to be devolving in the ME. It’s so sad.
Again pogo,
Condemn the little old Catholic lady living next door to you for being a Catholic…
… Remember, Catholics rape children. YES?
Oh, and wall street Jewish bankers… don’t forget your outrage about their religion, pogo.
So pogo, why is a Muslim American guilty of the crimes you condemn all Muslims guilty of?
BTW pogo,
I can list a litany of Bible quotes concerning murder… the how’s and why’s.
Oh, and why rape is good and how to covet your neighbor’s goods, too.
Slavery is supported in this Holy Book also. Christians and Jews share in that shame… so why is it that Muslims need to pay for what other religions support or have taught? But you’re an adult and you can choose to freely hate equally or reserved for extra disdain against your brother. Again, your choice to hate your brother. Jesus advised you not make that choice, if your care.
http://www.evilbible.com/
And it’s Inga (Annie) not Inga Annie/ etc. I think perhaps if you’re so concerned with sock puppetry you should look at your friends and associates first. Perhaps even yourself. If you have an accusation to make against me, I suggest you contact Professor Turley and discuss it with him instead of your passive aggressive comment on this thread.
No need to “throw” the term Islamaphobe around, it’s right there in your face. Every single blog post about Islam, Pogo comes through with it. It’s hardly being thrown around, it’s already firmly stuck to him. Even moderate Muslims aren’t safe from his Islamaphobia.
And Inga/Annie/etc is right there championing him, also throwing around “Islamophobe”. Again, pretty consistent.
Paul – A casual review of Po’s contributions on Muslim threads shows he’s pretty consistent.
He called me an Islamophobe (and other things) because I oppose violent Islamic extremism but support moderate Islam. He’s not suddenly going to become rational, either.