Yishai Schlissel, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man, stabbed six marchers in the annual Gay Pride Parade in Jerusalem. What is equally disturbing is that Schlissel was just released after serving 10 years for stabbing participants in the Gay Pride Parade in 2005. Schlissel immediately demanded a court held in accordance with Jewish law, a request which was denied.
Schlissel left two people in serious condition.
A decade ago, he wounded three marchers not far from the spot of his most recent attack. He was only released a month ago — a testament to his fanatical hatred of homosexuals and extreme religious beliefs. He explained to police that as a faithful Jew he had come “to kill in the name of God.” He was released from prison a month ago.
Orthodox Jews have long targeted Gay Pride marches for protests, though recently in New York the community actually hired Latino men to dress them up as Orthodox Jews to protest for them. An ultra-Orthodox news website referred to the Jerusalem Gay Pride Parade on Thursday as “the Parade of Abomination.” Muslim and Christian groups also denounced the parade.
After stabbing his victims, Schlissel reportedly told people to get out of the way so he could escape.
Notably, the Orthodox community did not appear to shun Schlissel. Instead, he was interviewed on an ultra-Orthodox radio service nearly two weeks ago, and he used the occasion to assure fellow Ultra-Orthodox believers that “The battle is not over. Those unclean people want to continue defiling Jerusalem.” He also insisted that people must go to confront the people in the parade and that the goal must be “to disperse them, even by force.” None of that appears to have led the government to put him under surveillance or cause other Ultra-Orthodox Jews to call the police. Those are questions that are now being asked by many.
Max-1
1, August 2, 2015 at 3:51 pm
p.s.
Karen, the diatribe against Muslims being anti-gay has much traction in this story about a Jewish man who is anti-gay and has killed for it. This is his second attack now… Perhaps he’s secretly Muslim???
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Exactly, Max, and the Mexicans raping, torturing, burning and dismembering are also Muslims. And so are the extremists who have committed more acts of terrorism here than islamists have. Perhaps Karen is onto something, we just don’t know it yet but everyone is Muslim 🙂
Charlie, that’s all I am asking. Terrorism is as terrorists do, and terrorists are not limited to one religious persuasion. And when it comes to homophobia, it is pretty well distributed across the spectrum of religion.
JT – Call him what he is: a terrorist. It’s far past time we all started referring to those who harm others by what they do and cause, not by the myth-based beliefs they attempt to use as justification for their very real evil acts.
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Karen, the diatribe against Muslims being anti-gay has much traction in this story about a Jewish man who is anti-gay and has killed for it. This is his second attack now… Perhaps he’s secretly Muslim???
Karen S
Pomponius Mela circa 43 ad made a map…
… And on it he listed Palestina. Look close, it’s there. Next to Judaea.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Karte_Pomponius_Mela.jpg/800px-Karte_Pomponius_Mela.jpg
Karen S.
Was that a photo of the actual crime? Is he stabbing that woman in green in the back? That’s awful.
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Yes it is. And one of his victims died…
Paul C. Schulte
1, August 1, 2015 at 1:56 am
Max-1 – it takes nothing to point multi-colored PARs at the White House.
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Again, upset Rodolfo can’t get something like the colors of the rainbow correct?
16-year-old stabbed in Jerusalem pride parade succumbs to wounds
Shira Banki was critically wounded in an attack by an ultra-Orthodox man on Thursday; Netanyahu: She died for bravely supporting everyone’s right to live in dignity.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.669161
… Because children can have access to the internet when mom is at work.
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Penny Dreadful
1, July 31, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Excellent! Max is off his meds again.
Paul Annie Rich
1, July 31, 2015 at 7:34 pm
He is binge eating, that usually helps w/ the symptoms when not taking meds. It’s not easy being fat and gay. Have some empathy.
Nick Spinelli
1, July 31, 2015 at 7:39 pm
There was another blog where I commented that had a gay guy named “Andy” who commented troll like. He too had a photo of himself wearing a hat. I hope Max isn’t bald too!
karen, have we agreed that I won this engagement? As the French say, qui ne dit rien consent, et c’est evident que tu ne peux rien dire considerant que j’ai demolis tout ce que t’as dit.
Squeek
Why would Iran rain down nukes on Israel? What would it gain?
Poem:
Two old maids,
Laying in a bed…
One turned over to the other and saidr:
Lets stop. My finger is getting tired.
Dieter: The Bible is silent on some topics. If a human puts a dong in the wrong hole and the dong comes out with poop on it then the human has sinned. The anti gay people are known as ultra orthodox because they abhore poop on the dong. Other things do not bother them as much.
What does the Bible have to say about Lesbianism? Nothing? Then it is OK?
“Orthodox”. As time goes on in this case we will see how the word “ordthodox” comes to the aid of this wacko. If we were to call him paranoid or somesuch then things would be different. He is a wacko–pure and simple. If he had been called an Israeli Wacko or a Jewish Wacko then we would be closer to the truth. If one is wacko it is always convenient to say that I am of the ___ faith. Faith be with you Mister Wacko when you get killed in return for your evil deeds.
Hahaha, don’t let them see you sweat, ayatollah, you are dripping.
I broke down 5 of your lies, you address one, barely!
I am the one lying? When all my statements are factual, with legitimate sources to back them up?
When you are the one trying to rewrite facts and history to reflect both your ignorance and your deceptiveness?
Will you address all my points or are you throwing in the towel.
Usually when we get to this point you accuse me of something then use it to escape. Will you do it again?
Here is another factual argument that shows that Israel was the instigator and the aggressor for the Gaza war when she massacred thousands of civilians, most of them women and children. Which YOU, Mullah, totally condone and justify.
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In a minute by minute timeline of events that day, the Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz reported the Israeli attacks that began during the night of July 6 and continued in the early morning hours of July 7 that showed that the Israeli attack on the tunnel preceded the Hamas rockets:
at 2:24 a.m. on July 7:
Hamas reports an additional four militants died in a second Israeli air strike in Gaza, bringing Sunday night’s death total to six. This is the biggest single Israeli hit against Hamas since 2012’s Operation Pillar of Defense.
at 9:37 p.m. on July 7 Ha’aretz reported:
Hamas claims responsibility for the rockets fired at Ashdod, Ofakim, Ashkelon and Netivot. Some 20 rockets exploded in open areas in the last hour.
Thus, an authoritative contemporaneous Israeli report acknowledged the fact that Hamas started firing its rockets some 20 hours after Israeli forces launched the attack on Gaza and killed the six Hamas members.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/23/wrong-on-the-facts-wrong-on-the-law-israelis-false-claims-of-self-defense-in-gaza-war/
Po:
You claim I said this:
“Mullah Karen’s lie #1, there was never a Palestine:”
While I actually said this:
“Of course it existed. But Palestine was a region not a country, which included present day Israel and Jordan. The region was divided into Muslim Jordan and Jewish Israel.”
And this:
“The name “Palestine” derived form the Philistine pirates from Greece, who died out. The Romans controlled the region for a while, calling it Palaestina instead of Provincea Judea, by which it was also called. So this area has been hotly contested for thousands of years.”
And this:
“The region known as Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Empire prior to British rule.”
You sent me a wikipedia link to ancient traditions involving homosexuality, which has nothing to do with today’s reality. The reality is that homosexuality is a capital offense in the majority of the ME. Now that Egypt has descended into more extremism (tragically) that’s another loss of a more cosmopolitan attitude.
Po – if you insist on lying, I don’t have time for you.
Hahahahahahaha…Mullah, as usual, i blast every one of your arguments in space, using FACTS…and your response is to ignore my points and double down on the non-sense 🙂
Mullah Karen’s lie #1, there was never a Palestine:
Trying to rewrite history won’t help you, your face is dragging in the mud right now… History tells us there was a Palestine. Einstein tells us there was a Palestine. Even the Zionists who took over Palestine, acknowledge there was a Palestine, and that there were people there, and that those people, 700,000 of them, were displaced to make way for waves of immigrants from Europe.
And that those zionists, as evidenced by Einstein’s letter and HISTORY, used terrorism and genocide to drive those original inhabitants from their land, as they keep doing still.
Mullah Karen’s lie #2:
In every single Muslim nation, homosexuality is a capital offense. It is the religious extremists running government and dictating the education of children. Po can agitate and complain and call names all he wants. These facts are indisputable. Anyone can look up the legal code of any Muslim nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc to confirm.
Well, another one bites the dust! I’ll let wikipedia speak for me. Once again, FACTS, MULLAH, FACTS…! YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG, AS USUAL!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Actually, seems that capital offense is present in more Christian nations than Muslim ones.
Mullah Karen’s lie #3, violent rethoric from Palestinians:
I have shown above that Israeli leaders have made a great many more threats on Palestinians than the other way. I see that you conveniently skipped over those point. Expected!
Mullah Karen’s lie #4, civilian violence one sided:
From wiki again:
Israeli settler violence refers to acts of violence committed by Israeli settlers against Palestinians and Israeli security forces, predominantly in the West Bank. According to an Israeli Defense Minister,[1] Khaled abu Toameh[2] and others, most West Bank settlers are law abiding citizens[3][4] and the vast majority are non-violent,[5] but there has been a rise in violent acts by fringe extremists against Palestinians and Israel Police and IDF troops.[6] In 2007 Israeli prosecutors determined that of 515 criminal suits relating to violent activity committed by Israeli settlers against Palestinians and Israeli security forces, 502 related to right wing Jewish settlers in the Occupied Territories.[7][8] In 2008, the senior Israeli commander in the West Bank said that a hard core of a few hundred activists were involved in violence against the Palestinians and Israeli soldiers.[9] Some prominent Jewish religious figures living in the occupied territories, as well as Israeli government officials, have condemned and expressed outrage over such behavior,[10] while religious justifications for settler killings have also been given.[11] In the years 2008-2009, the defense establishment began taking a harder line against unruly settlers.[6] An EU heads of mission report found that settler violence had more than tripled in the three years up to 2011.[12]OCHA figures state that the annual rate of settler attacks (2,100 attacks in 8 years) has almost quadrupled between 2006 and 2014.[13] Palestinian police are forbidden from reacting to acts of violence by Israeli settlers, a fact which diminishes their credibility among Palestinians.[14]
Mullah Karen’s lie #5, Israel prosecutes and punishes Israeli terrorism against Palestinians:
Again, from wiki:
Unlike Palestinians, Israeli civilians living in the Palestinian Territories are not subject to military or local law, but are prosecuted according to Israeli penal law. This originates in the Emergency Regulations bill enacted in 1967 and extended since which gives extraterritorial rights to Israelis in the occupied territories. B’TSelem has said that the difference in legal status of Israelis and Palestinians in the territories has led to a double standard in which Israelis are given more legal rights and are punished more lightly than the Palestinians who are subject to military and local law. B’Tselem notes the system violates the principles of equality before the law and territoriality.[35]
Referring to settler violence during the police evacuation of the “Federman Farm” near Kiryat Arba, Haaretz has stated in an editorial “Israeli society has become accustomed to giving lawbreaking settlers special treatment”, noting that no other group could similarly attack Israeli law enforcement agencies without being severely punished.[36] Haaretz has characterized settler violence on soldiers and policemen who participated in the evacuation of the “Federman Farm” as “terrorism”.[36]
In response to the violence directed towards Israeli security forces, Israel declared it would no longer fund any illegal outposts from November, 2008.[37]
After the evacuation of settlers from Hebron in December 2008, a riot ensued and a Jewish settler, Ze’ev Braude, was recorded on video shooting two unarmed Palestinians after Palestinians had hurled rocks at him. The victims were shot on their own property, which Braude had entered, and later needed surgery. The Israeli State Prosecutor’s Office decided to abandon the prosecution of Braude after the Israeli High Court of Justice ruled that the prosecution must give the defendant access to “sensitive information”. The prosecutor’s office had earlier said that some of the evidence against Braude was classified for security reasons, due to “the Shin Bet’s sources and methods of operation, and identifying details about its units and people.” Braude had petitioned the High Court for access.[38][39]
The United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict reported on rioting and violence in the West Bank in the period preceding the Israeli military operations in Gaza. The report said “Little if any action is taken by the Israeli authorities to investigate, prosecute and punish violence against Palestinians, including killings, by settlers and members of the security forces, resulting in a situation of impunity. The Mission concludes that Israel has failed to fulfil its obligations to protect the Palestinians from violence by private individuals under both international human rights law and international humanitarian law.[40]
As you can see, ayatollah karen, I need not pursue the moral ground. It is inherent to truth, and truth relies on facts. Facts are your kryptonite, and right now you are shriveling like a salted snail.
Giving up yet?
Leading up to the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was the “Future of Palestine”, written in 1915 and submitted to the British Cabinet. The British did dearly love drawing lines on a map to delineate new borders, even creating new countries. The name “Palestine” derived form the Philistine pirates from Greece, who died out. The Romans controlled the region for a while, calling it Palaestina instead of Provincea Judea, by which it was also called. So this area has been hotly contested for thousands of years.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Future_of_Palestine
You are to recall that the area of Palestine comprised what is today Jordan (Muslim) and Israel (Jewish). As of the 1915 letter:
“Yet it is felt that the time is not ripe for the establishment there of an independent, autonomous Jewish State. Such increase of population as there has been in Palestine in recent years has been composed, indeed, mostly of Jewish immigrants; the new Jewish agricultural colonies already number about 15,000 souls; in Jerusalem itself two-thirds of the inhabitants are Jews; but in the country, as a whole, they still probably do not number more than about one-sixth of the population.
“The course of events opens a prospect of a change, at the end of the war, in the status of Palestine. Already there is a stirring among the twelve million Jews scattered throughout the countries of the world. A feeling is spreading with great rapidity that now, at last, some advance may be made, in some way, towards the fulfilment of the hope and desire, held with unshakable tenacity for eighteen hundred years, for the restoration of the Jews to the land to which they are attached by ties almost as ancient as history itself.
Yet it is felt that the time is not ripe for the establishment there of an independent, autonomous Jewish State. Such increase of population as there has been in Palestine in recent years has been composed, indeed, mostly of Jewish immigrants; the new Jewish agricultural colonies already number about 15,000 souls; in Jerusalem itself two-thirds of the inhabitants are Jews; but in the country, as a whole, they still probably do not number more than about one-sixth of the population.
If the attempt were made to place the 400,000 or 500,000 Mahommedans of Arab race under a Government which rested upon the support of 90,000 or 100,000 Jewish inhabitants, there can be no assurance that such a Government, even if established by the authority of the Powers, would be able to command obedience. The dream of a Jewish State, prosperous, progressive, and the home of a brilliant civilisation, might vanish in a series of squalid conflicts with the Arab population.”
Hence the attempt to separate a Muslim region (Jordan) from Jewish (Israel).
What was the region of Palestine like under Ottoman rule?
According to the British, one of the reasons to annex Palestine into GB, to be turned over later to Israel:
“It would enable England to fulfil in yet another sphere her historic part of civiliser of the backward countries. Under the Turk, Palestine has been blighted. For hundreds of years she has produced neither men nor things useful to the world. Her native population is sunk in squalor. Roads, harbours, irrigation, sanitation, are neglected. Almost the only signs of agricultural or industrial vitality are to be found in the Jewish and, on a smaller scale, in the German colonies. Corruption is universal in the administration and in the judiciary. The Governors, who follow one another in rapid succession, are concerned only with the amount of money they can squeeze out of the country to send to Constantinople. Under British administration all this will be quickly changed. The country will be redeemed.”
This disdainful view was rather prophetic, when one takes into account the rampant corruption in Kabul, Iran, etc. and the lack of much of a non-oil economy. Most ME countries rely heavily on oil exports to fuel their economy, except for Bahrain, which is into banking, I believe.
Today, what is the main export of most ME countries besides oil and violence? Any new inventions, advances in medicine, new technology . . . anything? Extremism has just ruined the region that used to be a cradle of intellectualism. OK, they do have fabulous music, even if they do imprison people for dancing to it if they’re not related, saffron, and they do have beautiful textiles. But make sure if you buy a Persian rug that it is woven by adult artisans in Iran rather than by children in India in sweat shops that copy the design.
http://consciouslivingtv.com/home-garden/the-most-beautiful-rug.html
Otherwise, as predicted, the main producer in the region is Israel.
When I think of what this region could accomplish if they could throw all the extremists out and cool the violence, I have great hope. But such a paradigm shift would have to come from within. We cannot impose human rights values or democracy from the outside. We can only vote with our dollars.
Here’s another grimly prophetic statement from the 1915 letter that pertained to Germany:
“Although Great Britain did not enter the conflict with any purpose of territorial expansion, being in it and having made immense sacrifices, there would be profound disappointment in the country if the outcome were to be the securing of great advantages by our allies, and none by ourselves. But to strip Germany of her colonies for the benefit of England would leave a permanent feeling of such intense bitterness among the German people as to render such a course impolitic. We have to live in the same world with 70,000,000 Germans, and we should take care to give as little justification as we can for the hatching, ten, twenty, or thirty years hence, of a German war of revenge. Certain of the German colonies must no doubt be retained for strategic reasons. But if Great Britain can obtain the compensations, which public opinion will demand, in Mesopotamia and Palestine, and not in German East Africa and West Africa, there is more likelihood of a lasting peace.”
Let me repeat:
When a religious extremist attacks gay demonstrators in Israel, he gets arrested and will go to jail. In every single Muslim nation, homosexuality is a capital offense. It is the religious extremists running government and dictating the education of children. Po can agitate and complain and call names all he wants. These facts are indisputable. Anyone can look up the legal code of any Muslim nation like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc to confirm.
Po has no moral high ground in this discussion.
Max:
Of course it existed. But Palestine was a region not a country, which included present day Israel and Jordan. The region was divided into Muslim Jordan and Jewish Israel. This makes sense as Israel has been the Mecca for the Jews for thousands of years, and the Jews had been persecuted and driven from just about every country in the world.
The region known as Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Empire prior to British rule.
With the Balfour Declaration of 1917, Great Britain started building a Jewish Homeland in what would become Israel. This sparsely populated area began to draw Arabs as jobs for this project proliferated.
History of Palestine:
http://www.science.co.il/History-Palestine.php
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
The 1917 Balfour Declaration was an answer to “The Jewish Question”, namely what to do with the rising tide of Jews displaced due to anti semitism.
I have to shake my head at attempts to portray Jews like ISIS, Boko Haram, etc.
The letter from Einstein referenced did not object to the formation of Israel, but rather the rise of Fascism within Isreal. This is hardly surprising coming from a Jew who survived the Nazis. It was quoted out of context to make it appear that he did not support Israel.
A cop told me today that the Rolling 60s have declared they will have “One Hundred Dead Days” – one murder every day, in which they will target cops as well as rival gangs. A cop was investigating a crime scene when one of them rolled up and opened fire on him. They claim to have been