We have previously discussed acts of heroism in the face of terrorism, including acts by Muslims who reject the violence and claims of morality by ISIS and others such as the Muslims who formed a human shield around tourists in Tunisia. We have another such case out of Kenya where Muslim passengers refused to identify non-Muslims when their bus was seized by the Islamic extremist group Al-Shabaab. The passengers reportedly told the terrorists that they would have to kill them all or let them all go.
The bus to Mandera was supposed to have a police escort near the border with Somalia and Ethiopia. However, the escort vehicle broke down. When the terrorists seized the bus, they set about to separate and kill all Christian passengers but the Muslim passengers, mainly women, refused to separate and identify the Christians. Last year, the group killed 28 people who could not recite the Quran.
Some of the Muslim women gave the Christian women their hijabs and others hid them behind bags. One witness said “They told them, ‘If you want to kill us, then kill us. There are no Christians here.” It is reminiscent of the Robbie Edmonds story that we discussed recently from World War II.
The terrorists shot a passenger and the bus driver but then left.
The whole purpose of terrorism is to turn a population against itself and against its values. It is meant to kill what humanity is left in people and get them to accept an ideology or religion out of fear. These Kenyans showed how humanity and true morality can prevail in the face of such evil in this world.
Source: CNN
Ken Rogers; I’m glad you at least found the 2nd site credible. To my way of thinking Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Lt. Mick Zullo are true American heroes and I make no apologies.
Have you seen this? It made me cry to tell you the truth.
@Hildegard
1, December 28, 2015 at 2:09 pm
“I must apologize Ken. Apparently you’re just a whole lot smarter than I am.
“Here’s some more fabricated information brought to you by a known racist imbecile (me); someone who has proven themselves to be incapable of forming an educated opinion. This is from another lunatic fringe site; i.e.not main stream media.”
There’s all the difference in the world between the evidence presented and the quality of thinking displayed in the two different sites you linked to regarding Obama’s birth certificate.
I’m sorry that you seem unable to see the difference.
@Hildegard
1, December 27, 2015 at 11:49 pm
“Off topic? You tell ME! File this under ‘Things that make you go hmmmmm…..’
“Headline: Hawaii Won’t Name Any Places Honoring Their Purported Native Son Barack Obama
http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/12/headline-hawaii-wont-name-any-places.html”
To answer your question, Hildegard, yes, that’s amazingly off topic, but it does pretty well prove, I guess, that Obama must be the Anti-Christ, after all.
Real scholarly website, citing one of America’s deepest thinkers, Joe Arpaio. Thanks for calling attention to it. 🙂
Right on cue, Ken.
I must apologize Ken. Apparently you’re just a whole lot smarter than I am.
Here’s some more fabricated information brought to you by a known racist imbecile (me); someone who has proven themselves to be incapable of forming an educated opinion. This is from another lunatic fringe site; i.e.not main stream media. Forgery is a felony by the way but that’s a non issue since the very idea his birth certificate could be a forgery isn’t even worth considering. If it was, CNN would have told us a LONG time ago.
http://constitutionalreset.ning.com/profiles/blogs/blast-from-the-past-reed-hayes-document-expert-witness-for-obama
Oh God. Here we go! Sorry I got better things to do. In fact I ALWAYS do. I think this calls for a dirty limerick. In honor of my dear father who had an impeccable sense of humor; God rest his soul. Ahem. Actually, I’ve changed my mind because it could be taken very, very badly. Here’s a hint…it has something to do with the camel’s….
By the way, if you have the time to spare, go back through every post where karen and I are featured and you’ll see that ALWAYS and NEVER are actually quite factually used. There was NEVER NEVER NEVER one discussion that did NOT end as stated!
NEVA!
Po “4- When shown her deception/fallacious argument, she ALWAYS responds with a red herring,..” Dear Po. You’ve just outed yourself as a child, a ‘victim’ of arrested development. Using the terms ALWAYS and NEVER means you’re actively taking the role of CHILD. The fact that you actually CAPITALIZED the word? Wow. You’re in deep! How old are you really? 14? 28 going on 14? I know I know. Virtually everyone at some time or another uses the terms always and never. You never do this ! You always do that! But the people who do that the most are CHILDREN…. of all ages.
You got me, Hilde, am 18 going on 12, to match most of the commentators here. But I NEVER capitalize words, usually, ever, and only ALWAYS do it, in special occasions in order to stress the high rate of occurrence…you know? Kinda like you did with “”The fact that you actually CAPITALIZED the word? “”
What happened…did I contaminate you accidentally? 🙂
Off topic? You tell ME! File this under ‘Things that make you go hmmmmm…..’
Headline: Hawaii Won’t Name Any Places Honoring Their Purported Native Son Barack Obama
http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/12/headline-hawaii-wont-name-any-places.html
Po: I think you need to tone it down a bit. Your diatribes seem a little “extreme”. There’s that word again. Again I ask, what is your point? I mean do you have one? You seem to have chosen Karen especially as your whipping ‘boy’. She doesn’t seem to want to play. Jonathon Turley calls us a “community” of bloggers. If this is a community and a reflection of the larger world we’re in a world of sh*t. LOL Not that that’s big news.
Hilde, I am only extreme towards extremists…and our “whipping boy”karen is of the most dangerous types, the bully who cries victimhood!
And we have a history, something about wanting to join a harem and I refused to help*! Please don’t repeat it, she hates me mentioning it.
trust me, she needs no defending, she once pretended falling at home, and when the neighbor heard her cries of Ï am fallen, I can’t get up, help!!!”and came to help, she pulled a knife on him and robbed him!
Obviously when the cops came she made up a story about the neighbor being a mass killer…he got the chair!*
Poor guy!
By the way, those stories may or may not be true, but since facts are no longer relevant….
Facts have never been relevant where you are concerned.
Paul – true. I’ve answered his question so many times, it’s pointless to keep addressing it. I don’t think he’s here for discourse. I’ve caught him lying so many times, about his ethnicity, about what I’ve said, etc, I don’t get anything out of engaging with someone so irrational and dishonest.
As I predicted, don’t I know my people:)
4- When shown her deception/fallacious argument, she ALWAYS responds with a red herring, the bones of which she then uses to attack the challenger.
5- When further challenged, she accuses her challenger of making claims he never made, and when asked to support those claims, she just disappears and reappears on another thread, ready to start the cycle anew.
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karen, I don’t blame you for your hypocrisy and deceit…I know you mean well but how can you not be that which you are?
Really shouldn’t blame you for something you have no say in, not everyone is blessed with morality and intellectual honesty 🙂
I mean why else would you display it on the internet to posterity? Where all of this blog’s 20,000 followers, plus the millions out there would stumble upon and shake their heads aghast watching you perform exactly as I predicted?
I hope Santa heard my prayers, I specifically requested some morality and honesty under your tree.
based on your latest comments however, I suspect you got instead something charcoal like 🙁
We all will keep praying for you however…to any God available, I fear no single god is mighty enough to perform such a miracle.
Sleep well dear friend, wake up a better person.
I know that Santa isn’t in your wheelhouse, however you get a lump of coal, not charcoal.
As someone who has celebrated Christmas every year, Paul, with trees and gifts under it, I say Santa is an old pal of mine… and ought you not to know by now that the lumps you have gotten in your stockings since childhood are of the same family as charcoal? Coal is to charcoal as river is to rain…black lump used for burning/ water.
And as far as “”Facts have never been relevant where you are concerned.””, my point exactly!
Glad to see we agree on something after all, being factual has never been her strongest suit!
Then again, not many of us are that honest…I mean, even you, willing to cast stones at her, are still making the silly claim that the Muslim brotherhood has offices (6 of them) in the white house…alongside CAIR!
So i say back off karen, at least she is trying…unlike you and Nick, set in your old ways!
po – I sent you the names and photos of the Muslim Brotherhood members in the White House. How soon we forget. BTW, the Muslim Brotherhood created CAIR.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Paul!
as I said then, you sent photos of people whom you and your source deemed devout muslims. Based on what, I don’t know…perhaps they frequent your mosque.
Additionally, you and your source linked them to the muslim brotherhood…based on what, I don’t know… perhaps they attend your meetings.
So what you, and your source offered is a non-supported claim that those individuals are Muslims, are devout, are Muslim brotherhood affiliated and operate 6 offices in the white house alongside CAIR.
Now you offer that the Muslim brotherhood created CAIR, which I would gladly accept once you offer a real source to back up that claim.
po – the question is who do you draw your paycheck from, the Muslim Brotherhood or CAIR?
You tell me, Paul, since you apparently have a mole in both organizations!!
I sure do hope YOU get a paycheck from spreading this misinformation, everyone else is. 🙂
https://islamophobianetwork.com/
Nick:
Thanks. I’ve had a wonderful Christmas. I hope you did, too. 🙂
It appears that some people failed to read my reference to eugenics in CA, as well as the tribal nature of Saudi Arabia, as well as the 60 or so Muslims honored as righteous persons for saving Jews. There’s just no other explanation for what people wrote about me, other than a failure of reading comprehension. I don’t expect very much from a contributor who’s claimed to be Mexican American while simultaneously an African immigrant. It fools no one to keep pretending that extremist radical Islam is not a problem. That was the driving force behind the immigration of the Muslims I’ve been closest to – escaping violent extremism and tyranny.
As I posted above, “Due to the tribal nature of Saudi Arabia at the time, there was a range of opinion about Nazis and fascism, of which anti-Semitism was only one aspect. Another unifier among the different opinions was a desire to join with Germany in the hopes that it would oust the British, failing to recognize that Germany, itself, planned to take over the world”
Here is our dear friend karen’s methodology anytime a post is offered featuring muslim actors:
1- Makes a comment tying it to shariah law. Offers shariah law as the source of all problems, talks quite generally about islam but throws in “”extremist islam”” at some point to cover her nakedness.
2- Someone else, Nick, Bambam, KCF or their minions, makes an islamophobic comment. Rather than condemning it, she adds to it. In that process, she suggests that some of the horrors she describes only happen in Muslim societies or wherever Muslims are.
3- When it is shown to her that whatever she offered is fallacious and plainly wrong, and she is asked to support her argument, she posts a quote or a link that NEVER says what she claims, because more often than not, she would transform the quote or give a false link to hide her steps.
4- When shown her deception/fallacious argument, she ALWAYS responds with a red herring, the bones of which she then uses to attack the challenger.
5- When further challenged, she accuses her challenger of making claims he never made, and when asked to support those claims, she just disappears and reappears on another thread, ready to start the cycle anew.
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Our lovely friend karen says:
[It appears that some people failed to read my reference to eugenics in CA, as well as the tribal nature of Saudi Arabia, as well as the 60 or so Muslims honored as righteous persons for saving Jews.]
We did, that is what led to your being challenged on those claims. The issue is not about Saudi Arabia being tribal (true if being tribal you meant socially, not politically), reference to eugenics in CA (here is your false claim For example, it is also a fact that California modeled its own medical policy after the founders of Nazi eugenics, sterilizing those deemed “unfit” for procreation, including the deaf. ), Muslims saving Jews, (true), it is about the bulk of your comments suggesting Arab and Nazi cooperation and the emulation of Nazis in Syria/saudi Arabia and the subsequent building of the Baathist party on Nazi principles/inspiration. Not only was that FALSE, you falsified the source you offered in order to make your point, which was that in spite of saving Jews, Arabs were Jew haters and worked to help murder them. Otherwise how do you explain that your comment started in support of the idea that Muslims saved Jews, as a follow up to the content of this thread, which is that Muslims saved Christians, only to end up where you did, trying to undermine your own premise in order to make that argument that mattered most to you, the one showing Muslims in a negative light?
You keep confirming my long running hypothesis, that your fingers are playing pranks on you, typing the opposite of what your brain dictates …unless, perhaps, you are just not able to comprehend what you, yourself are writing?
[I don’t expect very much from a contributor who’s claimed to be Mexican American while simultaneously an African immigrant.]
Prove that and I’ll apologize here and now and take back everything I have said about you.
If indeed I said it on this blog, you should be able to find it. I suspect you will do as karen does, when challenged to offer proofs, she offers a falsified quote or just disappears.
[It fools no one to keep pretending that extremist radical Islam is not a problem.]
Problem to what? That was never the topic? The topic was Muslims saving Christians from Muslim extremist!
How did we go from non-extremist Muslims being the stars of this thread to Arabs and nazi cooperation?
Why would you drag us there unless you wanted to make the point you are always attempting to make?
And who ever denied that radical islam is NOT a problem? do you remember this?
karen said to Po:
Do you consider crashing a van deliberately into a civilian bus stop, hitting people, and then jumping out with a knife to stab a woman with a baby a terrorist attack? Yes or now. And this time answer the question.
Po answered:
yes, I do!
Do YOU consider the bombing of hospitals, of schools, of ambulances, the dropping of a missile on 4 kids playing on the beach, the lighting of a sleeping family on fire a terrorist act? Yes or no? And this time answer the question!
[That was the driving force behind the immigration of the Muslims I’ve been closest to – escaping violent extremism and tyranny.]
aaaaaaand…was that the topic? what does that have to do with this discussion? Red herring if ever 🙂
[As I posted above, “Due to the tribal nature of Saudi Arabia at the time, there was a range of opinion about Nazis and fascism, of which anti-Semitism was only one aspect. Another unifier among the different opinions was a desire to join with Germany in the hopes that it would oust the British, failing to recognize that Germany, itself, planned to take over the world”’
It won’t help you to repeat that claim, doubling down on it won’t make it be what is wasn’t: true!
The tribal nature of saudi arabia at that time (by tribal I suspect you mean like Yemen, with many tribes vying for power) would make it impossible that there would be a range of opinions about nazism and fascism, because the premise of tribalism in S. Arabia in WW2 era is FALSE! S. Arabia was an established monarchy at that time, whose king was neutral during WW2 but whose leanings favored the Allied.
But…if your comment was about S. Arabia, why did you use the Baathist party and its main personalities as example? Those names and movement were present in Damascus, not S. Arabia? In fact, Baathism was an enemy of wahabism, ALWAYS! (The party was founded on 7 April 1947 as the Arab Ba’ath Party by Michel Aflaq (a Christian), Salah al-Din al-Bitar (a Sunni Muslim) and the followers of Zaki al-Arsuzi (an atheist) in Damascus, Syria https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba%27ath_Party)
http://www.photius.com/countries/saudi_arabia/national_security/saudi_arabia_national_security_world_war_ii_and_its~1440.html
Prior to the outbreak of World War II, Saudi Arabia was on good terms with the Axis powers, concluding an arms agreement with Nazi Germany on the eve of the war. Abd al Aziz maintained formal neutrality during most of the war, gradually leaning toward the Allied side. In early 1945, he abandoned his neutral posture and made a nominal declaration of war against Germany. The outbreak of the war and attendant shipping dangers had brought Saudi Arabian oil sales to a halt. As Allied needs for oil rose, the safeguarding of the Saudi oil reserves began to be regarded as of great strategic importance. In 1943 President Franklin D. Roosevelt declared that the defense of Saudi Arabia was of vital interest to the United States, thus making the kingdom eligible for Lend-Lease assistance. By the end of World War II, British power and influence in Arab affairs had begun to wane, and during the late 1940s and early 1950s the United States emerged as the dominant Western power on the Arabian Peninsula..
po – you are the king of deflection.
Spoken by no less than the emperor of deflection :).
Even that comment, Your Majesty, is a deflection!
If the truth will set us free we first need to open our minds to new information and open our minds to the possibility that what we “know” is a lie that’s been told so many times it’s become ‘truth’ and the truth has become a lie and we are far from free because of it.
FACT: 6 Million BEFORE Hitler’s Rise To Power (2016)
No doubt…glad to see however there are voices still adamant in being heard and speaking the truth…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
Re. The US pre-WWII take on the Nazi? Remember that Lindbergh saw the Reich as a good thing. Remember Lindbergh? A great hero….actually just a lucky pilot with a good machine and a media who loved him
Now we have a fortunate billionaire who sees Putin as….what? And the media provides coverage over and over. The dangers is that the media repetition is dulling the cerebral senses so that Hillary now looks like a saint. As for the billionaire? It’s interesting that media has not picked up on his significant OCD mental issues which he covers up with his outlandish bellicosity. PC reluctance to address mental health? Eerrrrr, but then which candidate has a clean bill of mental health? One is unbalanced if seeking public office.
My point exactly:
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“Jewish extremists are a ‘ticking bomb’ for Israel
Published time: 25 Dec, 2015 12:31
© Debbie Hill / Reuters
Benjamin Netanyahu condemning violence as Israel cracks down on Palestinians is a double-standard, says Yehiel Grenimann from Rabbis for Human Rights. Jewish extremists are a “ticking bomb” and should be dealt with before for Israel becomes a healthy democracy, he adds.
An Israeli TV channel broadcast a wedding video in which Jewish Radicals were dancing with guns and stabbing the photo of a baby who was burnt to death this summer. Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the celebration saying these people pose a danger to society and the country’s security.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: “The shocking pictures that were broadcast this evening show the true face of a…
RT: Do you think there are a lot of right-wing extremists in Israel?
Yehiel Grenimann: There is a core group of a few hundred people who are very extreme. There are thousands of people who support their approach. It is a significant population, it is not insignificant.
RT: What makes youth radicalized to the extent they are ready to kill whole Palestinian families?
YG: There’s a process. First of all, there’s a background of the trauma of World War II passed on through families and amplified by rabbis, educators using that background. Then, there is the experience of generations already of terrorism. And on the top of that, there was the trauma of the withdrawal from Gaza by the Sharon government of settlers and the shock that they did not have popular support…
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A relative of 18-month-old Palestinian baby Ali Dawabsheh, who was killed after his family’s house was set to fire in a suspected attack by Jewish extremists, shows his picture at the burnt house in Duma village near the West Bank city of Nablus July 31, 2015 © Abed Omar QusiniRadical Orthodox Jews stab photo of murdered Arab baby at wedding ceremony (VIDEO)
RT: But that does not justify the extremism and violence that they use on other people does it?
YG: There is no justification. You asked me to try to explain why this developed. It is clearly forbidden by Jewish law. It is shocking; I am a child of Holocaust survivors, to see this kind of hatred at the wedding as positively shocking. Torah preaches and teaches love and peace. I don’t justify that behavior in any way or form. Our group has been campaigning against such hate crimes. We are members of a coalition called Tag Meir of 51 Israeli religious and educational organizations who’ve been pushing and lobbing for stronger acts by the government, warning that this kind of thing might happen before it did happen. Finally, there is now some move on the part of the government to do something about it…
RT: On the one hand, we see Benjamin Netanyahu condemning violence, condemning those attacks and on the other the crackdown on Palestinians still goes on. What is it? Is it just pure rhetoric or is it double-standards, what is it?
YG: I think it is an element of double-standards. I think the right-wing government is now concerned. They’ve put more money and forces into dealing with these Jewish extremists. These extremists have political protectors in the system who are pushing Netanyahu to go soft. I think now the right-wing government is worried and now they are being accused of using torture against these extremists.
We as a Human rights group are opposed to use of torture. The claim is [that] when there is a ticking bomb – it’s justified. Some of these people clearly are a ticking bomb and they’ve already caused the death of innocents. It is very difficult to deal with right-wing Jewish extremism when Jews and Israel feel attacked. But that is what has to be done if we want the country to be a viable healthy democracy.
The statements, views and opinions express
The International Zionist Mafia fooled you guys once again.
The so-called Al-Shabaab terrorist group like Al-Qaeda and ISIS, is a US-Israel creation to demonize Islam and Muslims.
http://rehmat1.com/2015/05/24/the-white-widow-is-back/
@Karen S
1, December 24, 2015 at 9:10 pm
“Facts are facts.”
“One should not give in to the temptation to re-write history. For example, it is also a fact that California modeled its own medical policy after the founders of Nazi eugenics, sterilizing those deemed ‘unfit’ for procreation, including the deaf.”
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Actually, Karen, at the risk of compromising your embrace of American Exceptionalism, it seems that it was the Americans who provided the Nazis with the model for a eugenics program, not the other way around:
The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics
“Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a co-called ‘Master Race.’
“But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn’t originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. (My emphasis) California eugenicists played an important, although little known, role in the American eugenics movement’s campaign for ethnic cleansing.”
“Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenic leader Madison Grant calling his race-based eugenics book, The Passing of the Great Race his ‘bible.’ ”
“Eugenics was the racist pseudoscience determined to wipe away all human beings deemed ‘unfit,’ preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in twenty-seven states. (Emphasis added)
“In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in ‘colonies,’ and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.
“California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the Twentieth Century’s first decades, California’s eugenicists included potent but little known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate and Polytechnic benefactor Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles M. Goethe, as well as members of the California State Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.
“Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America’s most respected scientists hailing from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard, and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics’ racist aims.”
“The superior species the eugenics movement sought was populated not merely by tall, strong, talented people. Eugenicists craved blond, blue-eyed Nordic types. This group alone, they believed, was fit to inherit the earth. In the process, the movement intended to subtract emancipated Negroes, immigrant Asian laborers, Indians, Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark-haired hill folk, poor people, the infirm and really anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists.
“How? By identifying so-called ‘defective’ family trees and subjecting them to lifelong segregation and sterilization programs to kill their bloodlines. The grand plan was to literally wipe away the reproductive capability of those deemed weak and inferior–the so-called ‘unfit.’ The eugenicists hoped to neutralize the viability of 10 percent of the population at a sweep, until none were left except themselves.
“Eighteen solutions were explored in a Carnegie-supported 1911 ‘Preliminary Report of the Committee of the Eugenic Section of the American Breeder’s Association to Study and to Report on the Best Practical Means for Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the Human Population.’ Point eight was euthanasia.
The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in America was a ‘lethal chamber’ or public locally operated gas chambers. In 1918, Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, Applied Eugenics, which argued, ‘From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution… Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated.’ Applied Eugenics also devoted a chapter to ‘Lethal Selection,’ which operated ‘through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency.’ “ (Emphasis added)
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
Karen, Merry Christmas. We know you are an honest, good person.
Testified upon by one without honesty, or goodness 🙂
I bet karen will reject your testimony as damning!
And for the record, I never said a single one of the things that Po has claimed that I did. As usual.
How do I know to ALWAYS verify karen’s claims?
1- because they tend to counter the historical narrative
2- They are dishonestly put together to support one point of view, hers.
3- They would grab from on source and assign it to a different link.
If I follow the link she pasted, this is what I get:
“
Arab perceptions of Hitler and Nazism[edit]
According to Gilbert Achcar, there was no unified Arab perception of Nazism:
‘In the first place, there is no such thing as Arabs. To speak in the singular of an Arab discourse is an aberration. The Arab world is driven by a multiplicity of points of view. At the time, one could single out four major ideological currents, which extend from western liberalism, through Marxism and nationalism, to Islamic fundamentalism. In regard to these four, two, namely western liberalism and Marxism, clearly rejected Nazism, in part on shared grounds (such as the heritage of enlightenment thinkers, and the denunciation of Nazism as a form of racism), and partially because of their geopolitical affiliations. On this issue, Arab nationalism is contradictory. If one looks into it closely, however, the number of nationalistic groups which identified themselves with Nazi propaganda turns out to be quite scaled-down. There is only one clone of Nazism in the Arab world, namely the Syrian social national party, which was founded by a Lebanese Christian, Antoun Saadeh. The Young Egypt Party flirted for a time with Nazism, but it was a fickle, weathercock party. As to accusations that the Ba’ath party was, from the very outset in the 1940s, inspired by Nazism, they are completely false.'[19]
Additionally, if one reads up on the names mentioned, Zaki al-Arsuzi, Sami al-Jundi, we find that the claim made upon them is deceptive as to be expected.
Here is a link that discusses both men, and which shows that quote that forms the crux of karen’s argument is an out of context quote.
https://books.google.com/books?id=OS3TAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=Zaki+al-Arsuzi+and+nazis&source=bl&ots=lrEFjWJG3l&sig=u4aKM4sawQ_7-aV5jTbZv221Dfs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3gvar_fXJAhUOw2MKHfzxDqwQ6AEIOzAH#v=onepage&q=Zaki%20al-Arsuzi%20and%20nazis&f=false
Also, her quote above Although, unbeknownst to the Arabs, racist Hitler predicted that Arabs would perish in the harsh winter climate of Germany, and Islamized Germans would rule the world. is truncated to suggest equal cooperation between Arabs and nazis… and let us remember this was a time where Arab states were pretty non-existent, they were all colonized and struggling against the west for freedom. “Hitler said that the conquering Arabs (of Muhamad’s time) , because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.[4]”
Yes, friends, you are right to scratch your head and mutter, what is she trying to prove? That some Muslims? Arabs cooperated with Hitler? Why? we know that.
So, here we are discussing some individuals. colonized, powerless individuals, who established some relationship with nazi Germany BEFORE it proceeded with the final solution, and unbeknownst to them, as the full representative of millions of people who had no relation to Germany other than as sometimes subjects, and who, were recruited in the colonial empire to fight and die against germany?
And this at the same time that european countries were shipping their jews to the camps?
That the US were preventing their landing on our shores?
Yes! Friend, yes!
Why? As I said before, she hates Muslims but is too cowardly to state it fully, so she uses the typical my best friend is Muslim, while taking every occasion to take a bite out of them under the guise of praising them.
Today’s bonus fact:
King Mohammed V refused to make the 200,000 Jews who were living in Morocco wear yellow stars, even though this discriminatory practice was enforced in France. He is reported to have said: “There are no Jews in Morocco. There are only subjects.”[80]
The above quote was about Hitler’s meeting with an envoy from Saudi Arabia, which would make his reference to “Arabs” accurate. Protests about the tiny percentage of non-muslim Arabs are obviously a red herring.
Facts are facts. Some Muslims of various ethnicities saved Jews during WWII. The Nazis also allied with Saudi Arabia and various North African Muslim countries. One should not give in to the temptation to re-write history. For example, it is also a fact that California modeled its own medical policy after the founders of Nazi eugenics, sterilizing those deemed “unfit” for procreation, including the deaf.
Some wealthy Arabs who traveled to Germany in the 1930s brought back fascist ideals and incorporated them into Arab Nationalism.[23] One of the principal founders of Ba’athist thought and the Ba’ath Party, Zaki al-Arsuzi, stated that Fascism and Nazism had greatly influenced Ba’athist ideology. An associate of al-Arsuzi, Sami al-Jundi, wrote:
“We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books that were the source of the Nazi spirit. We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism. Michel Aflaq a founder of the Ba’athist philosophy admired Hitler and the Nazis for standing up to Britain and America. This admiration would combine aspects of Nazism into Ba’athism.”
Due to the tribal nature of Saudi Arabia at the time, there was a range of opinion about Nazis and fascism, of which anti-Semitism was only one aspect. Another unifier among the different opinions was a desire to join with Germany in the hopes that it would oust the British, failing to recognize that Germany, itself, planned to take over the world.
More on the various other ethnicities of Muslims involved:
“Haj Amin al-Husseini became the most prominent Arab collaborator with the Axis powers. He developed friendships with high-ranking Nazis, including Heinrich Himmler, Joachim von Ribbentrop and (possibly) Adolf Eichmann.[citation needed] He contributed to Axis propaganda services and to the recruitment of Muslim and Arab soldiers for the Nazi armed forces, including three SS divisions consisting of Yugoslavian Muslims.[23] He was involved in planning “wartime operations directed against Palestine and Iraq, including parachuting Germans and Arab agents to foment attacks against the Jews in Palestine.”[34] He assisted the German entry into North Africa, particularly the German entry into Tunisia and Libya. His espionage network provided the Wehrmacht with a forty-eight hour warning of the Allied invasion of North Africa. The Wehrmacht, however, ignored this information, which turned out to be completely accurate.[citation needed] He intervened and protested to government authorities in order to prevent Jews from emigrating to Mandatory Palestine.[35] There is persuasive evidence that he was aware of the Nazi Final Solution,.[36] After the war ended he claimed that he never knew about the extermination camps or the plans for genocide, that the so-called ‘evidence’ against him was forged by his Jewish enemies, and even denied having met Eichmann. He is still a controversial figure, both vilified and honored by different political factions in the contemporary Arab world.”
It is true that there were Muslims who opposed fascism and Nazism, and who saved Jewish lives. It is also true that many Muslims were extremist at the time, and joined the Nazis. Both of these ranges of behavior are true, regardless of how uncomfortable that may be.
“Earlier in this meeting Hitler noted that one of the three reasons why Germany had warm sympathies for the Arabs was:
… because we were jointly fighting the Jews. This led him to discuss Palestine and conditions there, and he then stated that he himself would not rest until the last Jew had left Germany. Kalid al Hud observed that the Prophet Mohammed … had acted the same way. He had driven the Jews out of Arabia.”
Hahaha…yep, she does NOT disappoint…the passive aggressiveness,we knew, would lead to some veiled aggression!
i must say, she is skilled!
That’s right, Musims/Arabs were the ones who rounded up the Jews into camps and exterminated them…
Yep, Muslims were the ones who sat silent and complicit throughout….
Yes, they are responsible for the priesthood enabling and supporting the Nazis…
Yep, it is Muslims who rounded up their local Jews and sent them to the camps…
And yep, these American Muslims, they refused a boatload of Jews who were then returned to Europe, sent to camps and massacred!
Here is the proof right here