Germany Cracks Down On Anti-Immigration Speech

Freedom_of_Speech220px-Angela_Merkel_(2008)“I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Mrs Merkel invited me.”  The result has been a rising tide of criticism of Merkel for her open-door policy. Yet, that criticism may now be muted by a move by the government to crackdown on anti-immigration comments as a form of “hate speech.”  As we discussed today with the effort to ban Donald Trump, free speech is being rolled back in Europe under hate crime and anti-discrimination laws as an alarming rate. It is particularly worrisome when the government is under attack on an issue like immigration and responds by prosecuting people for such criticism. News reports indicate that 18 of the 31 known suspects from Cologne were asylum seekers, including “nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, five Iranians, four Syrians, an Iraqi, a Serbian, an American and two German nationals.

We have previously discussed the alarming rollback on free speech rights in the West, particularly in France (here and here and here and here and here and here) and England ( here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here). Much of this trend is tied to the expansion of hate speech and non-discrimination laws. We have seen comedians targeted with such court orders under this expanding and worrisome trend. (here and here).

Prosecutors are charging people who are “inciting hatred” in Germany by speaking out against immigrants and their impact on German society. Prosecutors and judges are determining what criticism will be allowed and what will be treated as criminal. In the meantime, the government has reached a deal with Facebook, Google and Twitter to crackdown on Internet speech. It is an effort to create the artificial appearance of agreement and tolerance by denying free speech to critics.

While it is still not clear how many of the Cologne attackers were immigrants (as many as 22 have been identified as refugees), the incident has been a flashpoint as numerous stories of women and girls being harassed about their clothing or assaulted by immigrants. For example, a 26-year-old Berlin man’s home was raided by police, who confiscated his computer and phones after he had posted the image of a dead 3-year-old Syrian boy on a Turkish beach and wrote “We are not mourning, we are celebrating!” A disgusting comment and one that is worthy public condemnation. However, it is also an act of free speech.

Nevertheless, many citizens are celebrating the denial of their own free speech rights. So long as they disagree with the speakers, there appears little concern over the rising tide of censorship and criminalization of speech. People are now unsure what they can say about immigration, which is precisely the chilling effect that governments seek in such measure. The result is a forced silence . . . which is golden for governments like Merkel’s that do not like what they are hearing.

415 thoughts on “Germany Cracks Down On Anti-Immigration Speech

  1. Will they be arresting the women who were molested who identify immigrants as their assailants? Europe has gone mad! Apparently the only humans who have rights are are Muslim “immigrants” and terrorists. Residents are not allowed to have opinions or discuss the news as it might let the truth out about a failed policy of allowing hundreds of thousands of angry young men who see women as fair game into the country.

  2. “..people who are “inciting hatred” … by speaking out against immigrants and their impact on … society”

    That would be national leaders and journalists more than anyone else. Those folks drive the national narrative. The public would not be afraid of Muslims if those in power were not demonizing everyone who lives in an oil -rich area.

  3. There are antecedent times and parallels. The Reichstag Fire Decree has been commented upon by me on this blog before. I stated two years ago, and since then on occasion, that “the times they are a changin”. There will be a right wing revolt to these wrong side of the aisle right wing speech suppressions and the right wing revolt will be to deport all Muslims– whether they are from Syria or Morocco. The place of origin won’t matter to the Germans when they look down the street and see the burkas on the heads. Nostalgia for Buchenwald.

    Angela Merkel announced that over a million “refugees” had entered Germany last year. Boy are things going to get ugly. Achtung!

  4. When the guy crossed the border he said he only wanted one thing: Ich mochter ein dubble zimmer fur ein nacht.

  5. I think people would not be afraid of Muslims if their coreligous weren’t running around killing people…sorry but people fear groups who decide that God gives them the right to kill non believers. (I fear allegedly “prolife” fanatics who think killing people is a good way to enforce their views on the rest of us.) As to the situation in Germany, there is little doubt that even those in government who want to shut up criticism of their open door, eyes closed policies relating to the influx of young male Muslim immigrants know that the cultural ands relgious belifs of manyof these immigrants put all Germans, particularly female Germans, at risk.

  6. As many as 1000 men, allegedly set upon women and made them run a gauntlet as they were grabbed, their clothes ripped, and their bodies groped.

    Mayhap if German police weren’t chasing phantom suicide-bombers on New Years Eve 2015 they would have have the resources available to have prevented these attacks from occurring in the first place.

    Nevertheless, many citizens are celebrating the denial of their own free speech rights. So long as they disagree with the speakers, there appears little concern over the rising tide of censorship and criminalization of speech.

    The time for German citizens to protect their unalienable human right to freedom of speech is now not after the German government has stolen/criminalized the right in order to “protect” immigrants/refugees from hateful speech.

    If the German government (Europe) were truly concerned with the plight of the immigrants/refugees seeking safe harbor from the destruction of the very fabric of their society it would stop supporting the criminal US/NATO/Saudi/Qatar war on Syria which is the reason the vast majority of Middle Eastern peoples have sought safe harbor in Europe in the first place.

    But then that would require the German government (Europe) to bite the hand of their favorite Uncle Sam and thus lose the “privilege” of their client-state status.

    “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

    Pastor Martin Niemöller

    If the German government has it’s way any German citizen may find their speech criminalized and there truly would be no one left to speak for me.

  7. I apologise, but there are two main mistakes in the article:

    1. The number of 1000 men, doing sexual harrasment ist wrong. There haven been around 1000 people at the open area between main station and cathedrale (men and women). In this event there has been a group of people (unclear but estimates are between 15 and 45) that sexuall harrased women at the event. (There is evidance that this has been done as distraction for the theft of money and mobile phones). There has been a misleading article that named 1000 offender that has been spread.

    2. The German system for free speech is a little bit more complicated. The right for free speech i provided by the German constitution(Art 5 GG.) There are only limites given by the criminal codes, that differ from the US system. While you can basically say anything on the US Free Speech System in Germany you can bee criminal chased for public insults of person. Also there Holocaust denial and very strong forms of hate speech are a criminal offence. In case of hat speech only if it is against segments of the population and in a manner and strong enough that is capable of disturbing the public peace. Also the jurisdiction gives a very high limit for this to the press and for art. Basilly the rules that limit the free speech are constituted after the second world war to limit the potential of propaganda against individual ethic groups like there has been in Nazi Germany. Yes the German and the US System differ, but free speech is possible in both systems. The US System is based an though of a selfdefending free speech, giving everybody the right and the oblication to fight for himself for his rights and interest with his free speech. The German systems is based on the obligation for the state to defend the weak and to construct rules for defending the weak without the obligation for them to defend themself. Both systems have pro´s and con´s.
    (Sorry, but this is a very short explanation with to much simplification, but this is a topic for books, not for short comments…)

    Chris
    (German lawyer, civic liberty acticist and living less than 50 miles from Cologne)

  8. I believe it is risky for the German government to censor discussion concerning these aspects the immigrant situation. Several things could occur, resulting in almost a worse situation.

    1. By not providing official, truthful information the government will create a rumor mill effect that might actually be worse.
    2. The government by attacking free speech of those expressing outrage against actions such as the Cologne sexual assaults might generate the mistaken belief in many the government is aligned more with the miscreant immigrants than the German citizenry.
    3. In conjunction with the first, the government is effectively removing an important “safety valve” to allow the public to vent and work out these matters through dialog–where instead the discussion goes underground, becomes very heated and tends to burst with often violent consequences.

    We also live in a day where this type of information will come out eventually, especially due to the internet and social media.

  9. Chris,
    I appreciate your input but that does not help the argument. “It was only 45 men allegedly molesting women at the train station” is not comforting at all. It’s like John Kerry’s reaction to a reporters question that he took his eye off of North Korea, and I’m paraphrasing here. He said he has not missed a day of monitoring what they are doing. Great, you have been giving them your highest level of scrutiny and they test an H-bomb (supposedly)? I would hate to see what happens when you take a week off.

  10. Darren, yoi are spot-on on all 3 of your points. And Chris, how do you know that there were so few offenders? Every day the media tell us something new. Would you have stayed at the train station/cathedral for long? I assume you would have tried to contact the police, tried to help some of the victims or just gotten away as fast as you could like any other law-abiding person. The people who were hanging around there weren’t afraid because they belonged to the perpetrators! Think about it.

  11. Dear Olly,

    of course it is a shame, that there has been sexuell harrasment of women. Of course this is a risky situation and the possibility of refugees being part of this crime gives additional tendion to this. (Please be informend, that at the moment there are no clear facts about the situation. The information about this incident are very contradictory. The daily news about this change every day, with new information that prove each other to be wrong. And for me it is national and regional news. The only prove at the moment of refugees being part of it has been, that there have been refugees at the place and one man, that maybee been part of the sexuell harrasment, has been heared to claim, he came from Syria….).

    But painting a picture of 1000 men “run a gauntlet as they were grabbed, their clothes ripped, and their bodies groped” ist a wrong picture, because the facts are wrong.

    Painting a picture of Germany as country that is loosing it´s free right of speech is also wrong. Yes, there are dangers, like every freedom right is everytime in danger. But not because of this situation.

    Chris

  12. “…might generate the mistaken belief in many the government is aligned more with the miscreant immigrants than the German citizenry.

    It’s not mistaken, it’s true.
    And the same thing is going on in the US and in every nation allowing immigrants from the ME.

    The secular elites who started and welcomed this invasion have invited a true rape culture situation they themselves created. These elites are the problem, not the solution. The mass sexual assaults in Cologne amd Finland are merely the first of many to come.

    All the efforts by the elites to prevent those who are now suffering the consequences of their actions from addressing the situation will accomplish nothing, but ensure that more extreme measures are taken, i.e. violence and political overthrow.

    If Americans and Europeans are forced to choose between Muslims and nationalists/fascists/neo-nazis, they will choose nationalists/fascists/neo-nazis.

  13. Dear Riesling

    “And Chris, how do you know that there were so few offenders?”

    I don´t know, but there have been only 1000 people on the place, men an women. It is a comon place to party after or while a visit of the old-town party area in Cologne. If you look critical into the few information, you get the number of offenders from the police reports.

    “Every day the media tell us something new.”

    And the news of today always prove the news of yesterday to be wrong. Maybe it is time to review it very critical about the few facts, that are in the news….

    “Would you have stayed at the train station/cathedral for long? I assume you would have tried to contact the police, tried to help some of the victims or just gotten away as fast as you could like any other law-abiding person. The people who were hanging around there weren’t afraid because they belonged to the perpetrators! Think about it.”

    I know about 10 people being in that (mixed) crowd that not knew anything about the sexual harrasment until they get information at the news on the next day. They say, there have been too much drunk, some of the drunk aggressive and some “situations” with people using fireworks in an dangerous way like rockets into the crowd. A mass event, that has gone wrong, but nobody was aware of this dimensions….

  14. There are many points to see and to worry about, so it might be better, to worry not about false facts than about real problems.

  15. QUOTE: Police sources and witnesses have said that many were Syrian refugees who have been accused of a spate of rapes and assaults of women in the country since they arrived in large numbers recently.
    According to a news item this morning in the reliable NTC-Handelsblad authorities of Cologne have by now identified 18 asylum seekers in the crowd as suspects.
    Now who is correct? JT or NRC Handelsblad?

  16. Chris, these women must be lying then:

    ““Crying and in shock they described how they had been severely sexually harrassed. We went to look for women in the crowd. I picked one up from the ground. She was screaming and crying. Her underwear had been torn from her body.”

    “Some girls were chased like cattle,” a 17-year-old woman told Bild newspaper.

    Evelyn, 24 and a student from Rheinland-Pfalz, was also at Cologne train station.

    As reported in newspaper Bild, she said: “I had a knee-length skirt on, and suddenly I felt a hand on my backside under my dress. I turned round immediately and saw a grinning face.”

    She fled into the cathedral where she was surrounded again. “The only English they knew was “Hey Baby”. I was grabbed and held by the arm and it was a nightmare. We were trapped in a mass of people.”

    One woman only identified at Katia L, 28, told the Cologne tabloid Express that she and three friends were stopped by a group of ‘foreign looking men’ outside the station.

    “Suddenly I felt a hand on my bottom, then on my breasts, then I was groped everywhere. ‘It was horrible. Although we screamed and flailed about, the guys didn’t stop. I was beside myself and think that I was touched about 100 times.”

  17. Latest News (5 min ago http://mobil.fr-online.de/cms/politik/uebergriffe-in-koeln-viele-nationalitaeten-unter-den-verdaechtigen,4232484,33480158,view,asFitMl.html)

    German: “Unter den 31 bekannten Verdächtigen der übrigen Delikte seien neun algerische, acht marokkanische, fünf iranische, vier syrische, ein irakischer, ein serbischer, ein US-amerikanischer und zwei deutsche Staatsangehörige. 18 von ihnen seien Asylbewerber.”

    ” Among the 31 known suspects of the remaining offenses were nine Algerian , eight Moroccan, five Iranian , four Syrian , an Iraqi , a Serbian , an American and two German nationals . 18 of them were asylum seekers .”

    Please remind= Suspects > not proven Offenders.

    Also “Among the suspects are also 18 asylum seekers . For these offenses , but if it were predominantly injuries and thefts . Sexual offenses were not previously associated with the asylum seekers .”

  18. Barking Dog. Until recently the largest group of Muslim immigrants to Germany were neither Syrians nor Moroccans but Turkish. Every resident of Berlin knows that.

  19. @KFCFlemming

    Sorry, I can not see them talk about “1000 men, allegedly set upon women and made them run a gauntlet as they were grabbed, their clothes ripped, and their bodies groped. ”

    Yes, there have been crimes and also sexuel harrasment there, but not by a group of 1000 men.

    Sorry EOD 2 me

  20. Anyone who is familiar with Cologne’s carnival festivities knows that harassment of women by drunk German punks, albeit on smaller scales, has happened during carnival as long as memory goes. There is no doubt on my mind that there were drunk German punks in the crowd on New Year’s Eve.

  21. Obama the Stone Cold Drone Killer and Merkel the Rapist Protector are both recent, illustrious, Nobel Peace Prize winners. The fundamental issue is the disconnect of elitists, be they political, media, education w/ the masses. When that happens, the environment is ripe for demagogues. These are very dangerous times, I got out of the stock market a couple months ago for the first time in my adult life. Nationally and globally the feces is hitting the fan this year.

  22. It is fascinating to watch the apologists here. Riesling is a common sense woman in Germany. I have gotten to know and trust her judgment. Dieter is an education elitist and apologist.

  23. And this is what happens when we erode Free Speech. Now they can crack down on speech critical of government, under the guise of hate speech laws.

    We must guard against succumbing to this trend.

    There were warnings about Syrian refugees. I do not know if this is the case in Germany, but in some countries the refugees are admitted while they undergo their scanty background check. Some of them are good people, some are from ISIS, and some are just extremist. It’s difficult to expect such a crushing tide of people to instantly assimilate, when they come from a country where subjugation and abuse of women is the norm.

  24. Based on the range of asylum seekers among those arrested for this heinous crime against women, Germany needs to improve its vetting of asylum process. What will be the repercussions? Deportation? With the exception of 3 people, all hailed from countries with extremist positions against women. I feel very sorry for the women in their families, because we’re all getting a snapshot of how these men treat women.

  25. Riesling. Major train stations in Europe such as the one in Koeln have long attracted the small criminals (the big ones stay in their mansions on New Year’s Eve). At the Koeln station and the nearby Cathedral you are repeatedly warned to be aware of pickpockets. Only if my presence there would be absolutely necessary on New Year’s Eve or Carnival I would not be there for a million Euros.

  26. Put your arm up in a roman salute, they put you in prison in germany.
    Now instead of being unfree under nazis, or unfree under communists, now they are unfree under capitalists. but we are told it is all freedom and democracy etc.
    we know that is a lie. Germans dont want this crop of refugees and scabs any more than the last one. Merkel is a tool of the globalists, not a German leader. It is her job to keep a lid on dissent and she does it the same old ham fisted way they have done it there before.

    But the bankers want them you can be sure of that, and NATO has to house them somewhere because the Turks wont take them, the Arabs wont take them, etc. It is a deliberate extension of the US military industrial security and zionist complex’s nation wrecking policies and schemes, to now force this on Germany. First wreck Syria, why not Germany too? Destabilizing the whole world– that is the neocon – globalist game plan. Then the rich men safe in their compounds will be even more powerful than they are today. From Paul Wolfowitz to George Soros, birds of a feather.

  27. Personanongrata:

    “If the German government (Europe) were truly concerned with the plight of the immigrants/refugees seeking safe harbor from the destruction of the very fabric of their society it would stop supporting the criminal US/NATO/Saudi/Qatar war on Syria which is the reason the vast majority of Middle Eastern peoples have sought safe harbor in Europe in the first place.”

    You don’t think thousands of people being murdered by their leader, Assad, would drive people to seek asylum? Assad killed almost 8,000 people between January and February alone, while ISIS killed less then 2,000 in the same time period. That’s one of the reasons why our efforts to help Syria have been so tepid. Whom do we support? Assad? ISIS? The other extremists? It’s hard to pick a side when Syria is such a vat of extremism. If you GOOGLE “terrorist trained in Syria” you will get an overwhelming number of hits. The actual, good people are sandwiched between murderous extremists on all sides.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/islamic-state-has-killed-many-syrians-but-assads-forces-have-killed-even-more/2015/09/05/b8150d0c-4d85-11e5-80c2-106ea7fb80d4_story.html

  28. Nick Spinelli. I am honored that you consider me to be in the class of Martin Luther who was an elitist and an apologist.

  29. It is obvious to me that what sells, for purposes stated and unknown, is rank islamophobia.
    That number of 1000 is news to me….until yesterday it was ranging from a dozen to a hundred.
    Now it is a 1000. The idea that it matters a little whether 1000 or 15 is silly at best. The higher the number, the higher the reaction, hence the need to inflate the numbers.
    Anybody with a little ability to think would realize that it is simply impossible, emotionally and practically that 1000…or even 100 people would be engaged in such action in a modern, highly policed city as the European city.

    Last week we were told about the rape epidemic in some other European countries…today it is Cologne…tomorrow it will be another place…
    What a silliness!
    And as usual, some looooooove the story and make sure to spread it and condemn far and wide.
    Meanwhile…of specks and logs…

    “”How often does sexual assault occur?
    There is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.
    Every 107 seconds, another American is sexually assaulted.
    Here’s the math. According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)–there is an average of 293,066 victims (age 12 or older) of rape and sexual assault each year.

    There are 525,600 minutes in a non-leap year. That makes 31,536,000 seconds/year. So, 31,536,000 divided by 293,066 comes out to 1 sexual assault every 107 seconds.

    According to our dimwitted friends’ logic, based on those numbers above, America is Muslim.

    It is the same everywhere…
    Black men and their dicks…
    Arabs and their knives…
    White women tied into the clearing
    All to rally the klan and their sheets!

  30. karen..
    With the exception of 3 people, all hailed from countries with extremist positions against women. I feel very sorry for the women in their families, because we’re all getting a snapshot of how these men treat women.
    ———————————————
    karen
    1 A sexual assault every 107 seconds
    2- Leading cause of death for pregnant women in America, MURDER, mostly at the hand of hands of their partner.

    In light of that, karen…we get a better snapshot of how our men treat out women…and your silence about it suggests you support them in it!

  31. olly Well what exactly to you think Kerry could do? But not to worry,we had W Bush who took off 8 years and we got 9/11, Iraq, and North Korea’s so called A bombs, and not to mention the worst recession since the Great Depression. ALL of that happened on his watch.

  32. @Personanongrata
    1, January 8, 2016 at 8:01 am
    “If the German government (Europe) were truly concerned with the plight of the immigrants/refugees seeking safe harbor from the destruction of the very fabric of their society it would stop supporting the criminal US/NATO/Saudi/Qatar war on Syria which is the reason the vast majority of Middle Eastern peoples have sought safe harbor in Europe in the first place.”

    Well, if you’re going to get all rational and humanitarian about it, you make an important point, of course.

    The problem with your approach, however, is that it’s at essential odds with the desire of the US Military-Industrial Complex for what it has characterized as US “full-spectrum dominance” of the world.
    https://nsnbc.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/the-usunnato-race-for-global-full-spectrum-dominance-14/

    You forgot, by the way, to mention Israel’s criminal participation in the war on Assad and the Syrian people and the refugee crisis resulting from it:
    “In a new report from the UN, it is revealed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. Initial reports from the IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but that story fell apart when the UN observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed at this time. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS, a point of concern brought before the UN Security Council. This report from the UN strengthens the claims by the Syrian regime that Israel is heavily involved in operations within the nation.”
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/19/un-report-reveals-how-israel-is-coordinating-with-isis-militants-inside-syria/

    Insofar as criminalizing criticism of the German government’s refugee policies is concerned, those supportive of it seem to think that as long as you don’t wear a Nazi armband while doing it, it’s perfectly OK to go along with whatever authoritarian law-and-order repression the German government deems necessary.

  33. I think it is wrong headed to crack down on anti-immigration speech, it is just speaking against government policy.

  34. randyjet,

    Let me see if I understand you correctly, Bush and his team “took off 8 years” and bad things happened as a result. Obama and his team on the other hand were all over it “every day” and bad things happened as a result.

    Isn’t this Obama’s 2nd term pivot to Asia? Great, what you are stating is Obama’s direct leadership in the region has N. Korea advancing to unconfirmed H-bomb testing, Iran launching missiles in the Straits of Hormuz and China taking over the South China Seas.

    Wow, that is so much better. LOL!

  35. Olly, no matter how bad Obama is, and believe me, he is no choir boy, it is hard to beat Bush on both fronts, foreign affairs and economy.
    It would be fair to acknowledge that in light of what he has inherited,and history will certainly show it, Obama is clearly one of our greatest presidents…and this from someone who did not vote for him the second time.

    It is a fact that had we not invaded Iraq and ruined it, much of what we face internationally would not be.
    Worse yet, Iraq is now the property of Iran, and they needed shoot no weapon to get it.

  36. Dieter- I know all about Köln. Been living on the Rhine river for more than 25 years, speak German and celebrated my birthday in Cologne last year. I also wouldn’t go there on NYE or Karnival but my daughter would/did. So, I’m sure you can see my concern when the police and media try to cover up events like this. I just want to know what’s going on.

  37. Po,
    Every President “inherits” the current state of affairs and is tasked to lead us to a better, future state. No leader that is worth a salt blames their failure to lead on the previous leader. Obama sold Hope and Change and he takes credit for successes and passes the buck on failures.That is not leadership that is failureship.

  38. So Chris, who describes himself as a German lawyer and “civil liberty activist” says, “The German system is based on the obligation for the state to defend the weak and to construct rules for defending the weak without the obligation for them to defend themselves.” Wow. So Germany believes it is more important to defend marauding bands of Muslim men who are attacking, robbing and sexually assaulting their wives and daughters than it is to defend their own women? It is the Muslim sex offenders, not the German women who need protection? I’m certainly glad I’m not a female in Germany, given that the German men are such cowards. And I would never allow my wife or daughters to visit your weak-kneed country. What a bunch of losers! And you Europeans wonder why Americans are not giving up their gun rights? Because if our politicians choose to flood our country with criminals, we are going to defend ourselves, and not become apologists for the criminals like you pathetic Germans. So there’s some free speech for you. Don’t like it? Too damned bad!

  39. Chris,
    If your wife or daughter ran home terrified that she had been sexually assaulted by 1,000 men, would your first response be to question her numbers? If she claimed they all appeared to be Muslim, would you claim that could not be statistically accurate? If she said it was only one Muslim man would you dismiss it for ANY reason whatsoever?

  40. It’s looking more and more like the 1930s. Those that forget the past are DOOMED to repeat it. I will continue to pray nightly…… This world needs all the help it can get. Did anyone see “Childhood’s End”? Scarey and sad. I know it was fiction but still very, very sad. It haunted me.

  41. Al Jazeera News:

    “Interior Ministry spokesman Tobias Plate said the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, five Iranians, four Syrians, two Germans and one person each from Iraq, Serbia and the United States.”

  42. Olly, she would not say that because there was not 1000 “Muslims”. Please let us drop that.
    Which brings me to the question, which I keep asking but get no answer for.
    Who/what is a Muslim?

    As for Po,
    Every President “inherits” the current state of affairs and is tasked to lead us to a better, future state. No leader that is worth a salt blames their failure to lead on the previous leader. Obama sold Hope and Change and he takes credit for successes and passes the buck on failures.That is not leadership that is failureship.

    We know that, Olly!
    All leaders blame their failures, at least to some extent, on their predecessors, that is what the state of the nation speech about, to state what one has accomplished in spite of what one founds… Still, I don’t recall him running around blaming Bush for anything, so there goes your argument.

    The buzzword “failurship”” cannot hide the fact that:
    1- All economists of note acknowledge that Obama did as best a job as anyone could have stopping the recession from getting worse. I happen to think that we were better off letting it collapse then rebuilding anew…but in terms of what the standards are, he did a great job.
    2- Individually (blowing up people across the globe), he is worse than Bush, but in terms of preventing another 9/11 under his watch, why can’t you give him credit?
    3- If he went along with the cries for war from the republicans, guess where we would be?
    Fighting wars in North Korea, Iran and Syria.
    4- I don’t recall any previous president who faced such open and blatant coalition against him, one eager to crash the country for the sake of scoring political points.

    In light of all that…I still say he Bush is not qualified to hold his basketball:)

  43. On the bright side, given the way the German government is behaving, it shouldn’t be too long until there’s another Kristallnacht, this one with worthy recipients. The only question is who will be the new vom Rath.

  44. Unprecedented sex harassment in Helsinki at New Year, Finnish police report

    By Richard Orange, Malmo3:48PM GMT 08 Jan 2016

    Asylum seekers who met in central Helsinki to celebrate New Years’s Eve “had similar plans” to commit sexual assault and other crimes as those who targeted women in the Germany city of Cologne, Finnish Police have reported.

    Three Iraqi asylum seekers have been arrested for committing sexual assaults during the celebrations in the city’s Senate Square, where some 20,000 had gathered. Security personnel reported “widespread sexual harassment” during the celebrations, police added, with women complaining that asylum seekers had groped their breasts and kissed them without permission.

    “This phenomenon is new in Finnish sexual crime history,” Ilkka Koskimaki, the deputy chief of police in Helsinki, told the Telegraph. ”We have never before had this kind of sexual harrassment happening at New Year’s Eve.” He said that the police had received tip-offs from staff at the asylum reception centres.
    “Our information from these reception centres were that disturbances or other crimes would happen in the city centre. We were prepared for fights and sexual harrassment and thefts.”

    He said that police had established a “very massive presence” to control the estimated 1,000 Iraqi asylum seekers who had gathered in the tunnels surrounding the central railway station by 11pm, many of whom appeared to be under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

    Mr Koskimaki said that sexual assults in parks and on the streets had been unknown in Finland before a record 32,000 asylum seekers arrived in 2015, making the 14 cases last year “big news in the city”.

    “We had unfortunately some very brutal cases in autumn,” he said. “I don’t know so well other cultures, but I have recognised that the thinking of some of them is very different. Some of them maybe think that it is allowed to be aggressive and touch ladies on the street.”

  45. So the Finns are obviously more intelligent than the Germans. Where did they deploy a “massive police presence?” Why, where the trouble makers were expected to be! Duh! And the Finns are more truthful than the Germans, calling a spake a spade……

  46. “Still, I don’t recall him running around blaming Bush for anything, so there goes your argument.”

    You don’t recall is not saying he hasn’t. Then why are you?

    “Which brings me to the question, which I keep asking but get no answer for.
    Who/what is a Muslim?”

    It is the brand name of the most virulent disease currently ravaging Europe and beyond. There. Now, let’s assume our past foreign policy was equivalent to us being a smoker. Would you advise the patient to stop smoking and ignore the disease until they quit? Would you defend the disease as a punishment and again, ignore any treatment?

    This seems to be a theme with you Po. You defend that which does not deserve defending. That does not bolster your argument.

  47. I think the suggestion that the women of Cologne keep arms length from the rapists is an excellent one……as long as at the end of the women’s arms there is a loaded Glock 9mm.

  48. I see that some folks have a problem with memory or rational thinking. Obama is a major success compared to most other presidents. He and the Democratic Congress put in place the economic policies that ended W Bush’s depression. Then unlike Bush who lost interest in getting Bin Laden on his first day told the CIA JOB ONE is getting Bin Laden. He DID. Then my wife now has health care insurance which she could not get before. The cash for clunkers bill put me back to work. As for the nukes of North Korea, that happened on BUSH’S watch and you can thank BUSH for that. Clinton had gotten a deal that stopped the program, but Bush came in and cancelled it! Of course, our dumbest President and worst in history, had no plan as to what to do next.

    As for Iran launching missiles, they have been doing that for YEARS. The Red China has claimed those areas of the South China seas for theirs for as long as they have existed. Hell, even the Nationalist Chinese do that. The Vietnamese among others are NOT happy,but they like us have little they can do about this. You will notice the SEA IS CALLED the South CHINA SEA! They only happen to live there.

  49. Olly, come one… i don’recall you advocating gassing Mexicans, should I assume you have? My not recalling doesn’t mean you haven’t!

    As for your It is the brand name of the most virulent disease currently ravaging Europe and beyond., thank you for finally coming out of the closet and revealing yourself in all your bigoted glory:) Finally!

    From thereon, that benefit of the doubt I used to give you? None left.
    Natural rights, han?
    Wondered why you kept insisting on the 1000 instead of the 15-45…or even the 100…for the higher the number, the better to make your point.
    And you dare wonder why I defend the “”indefensible””? For there are those like you whose agenda requires painting the whole with the largest brush possible for the sins of the few.
    Meanwhile, the US, a Christian nation, one woman/child sexually assaulted every 107 seconds! Is that defensible? Are we making it about Christians vs Muslims now?
    Do you wanna go there?

  50. @ po

    2 glocks even!
    Aimed low!

    That is ridiculous. A central body mass shot is much more effective and less likely to miss.

  51. @po
    1, January 8, 2016 at 12:38 pm

    “Olly, no matter how bad Obama is, and believe me, he is no choir boy, it is hard to beat Bush on both fronts, foreign affairs and economy. It would be fair to acknowledge that in light of what he has inherited, and history will certainly show it, Obama is clearly one of our greatest presidents…and this from someone who did not vote for him the second time.”

    As you’re concerned with comparing Bush and Obama at Bush’s expense, po, let’s take a look at some major components of their respective foreign and domestic policy records, which I suggest will clearly demonstrate that Obama is even worse than Bush. Because of the importance of this issue, I want to quote at length a fairly comprehensive article on the subject, which could have been aptly entitled, “Obama is George W. Bush on Steroids”:

    Drone Wars and State Secrecy – How Barack Obama Became a Hardliner

    “He was once a liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war. Now, according to revelations last week, the US president personally oversees a ‘kill list’ for drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan. Then there’s [sic] the CIA renditions, increased surveillance and a crackdown on whistleblowers. No wonder Washington insiders are likening him to ‘George W Bush on steroids.’

    “The revelation that Barack Obama keeps a ‘kill list’ of people to be targeted by drones has led to criticism from former supporters.

    “Amos Guiora knows all about the pitfalls of targeted assassinations, both in terms of legal process and the risk of killing the wrong people or causing civilian casualties. The University of Utah law professor spent many years in the Israel Defence Forces, including time as a legal adviser in the Gaza Strip where such killing strikes are common. He knows what it feels like when people weigh life-and-death decisions.

    “Yet Guiora – no dove on such matters – confessed he was ‘deeply concerned’ about President Barack Obama’s own ‘kill list’ of terrorists and the way they are eliminated by missiles fired from robot drones around the world. He believes US policy has not tightly defined how people get on the list, leaving it open to legal and moral problems when the order to kill leaves Obama’s desk. ‘He is making a decision largely devoid of external review,’ Guiroa told the Observer, saying the US’s apparent methodology for deciding who is a terrorist is ‘loosey goosey.’

    “Indeed, newspaper revelations last week about the ‘kill list’ showed the Obama administration defines a militant as any military-age male in the strike zone when its drone attacks. That has raised the hackles of many who saw Obama as somehow more sophisticated on terrorism issues than his predecessor, George W Bush. But Guiora does not view it that way. He sees Obama as the same as Bush, just much more enthusiastic when it comes to waging drone war. ‘If Bush did what Obama has been doing, then journalists would have been all over it,’ he said.

    “But the ‘kill list’ and rapidly expanded drone programme are just two of many aspects of Obama’s national security policy that seem at odds with the expectations of many supporters in 2008. Having come to office on a powerful message of breaking with Bush, Obama has in fact built on his predecessor’s national security tactics.

    “Obama has presided over a massive expansion of secret surveillance of American citizens by the National Security Agency. He has launched a ferocious and unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. He has made more government documents classified than any previous president. He has broken his promise to close down the controversial Guantánamo Bay prison and pressed on with prosecutions via secretive military tribunals, rather than civilian courts. He has preserved CIA renditions. He has tried to grab broad new powers on what defines a terrorist or a terrorist supporter and what can be done with them, often without recourse to legal process.

    “The sheer scope and breadth of Obama’s national security policy has stunned even fervent Bush supporters and members of the Washington DC establishment. In last week’s New York Times article that detailed the ‘kill list’, Bush’s last CIA director, Michael Hayden, said Obama should open the process to more public scrutiny. ‘Democracies do not make war on the basis of legal memos locked in a [Department of Justice] safe,’ he told the newspaper.

    “Even more pertinently, Aaron David Miller, a long-term Middle East policy adviser to both Republican and Democratic administrations, delivered a damning verdict in a recent issue of Foreign Policy magazine. He wrote bluntly: ‘Barack Obama has become George W Bush on steroids.’

    “Many disillusioned supporters would agree. Jesselyn Radack was a justice department ethics adviser under Bush who became a whistleblower over violations of the legal rights of ‘American Taliban’ John Walker Lindh. Now Radack works for the Government Accountability Project, defending fellow whistleblowers. She campaigned for Obama, donated money and voted for him. Now she has watched his administration – which promised transparency and whistleblower protection – crack down on national security whistleblowers.

    “It has used the Espionage Act – an obscure first world war anti-spy law – six times. That is more such uses in three years than all previous presidents combined. Cases include John Kiriakou, a CIA agent who leaked details of waterboarding, and Thomas Drake, who revealed the inflated costs of an NSA data collection project that had been contracted out. ‘We did not see this coming. Obama has led the most brutal crackdown on whistleblowers ever,’ Radack said.

    “Yet the development fits in with a growing level of secrecy in government under Obama. Last week a report by the Information Security Oversight Office revealed 2011 had seen US officials create more than 92m[illion] classified documents: the most ever and 16m[illion] more than the year before. Officials insist much of the growth is due to simple administrative procedure, but anti-secrecy activists are not convinced. Some estimates put the number of documents wrongly classified as secret at 90%.

    ” ‘We are seeing the reversal of the proper flow of information between the government and the governed. It is probably the fundamental civil liberties issue of our time, said Elizabeth Goitein, a national security expert at the Brennan Centre for Justice. ‘The national security establishment is getting bigger and bigger.’ (Emphasis added)

    “One astonishing example of this lies high in the mountain deserts of Utah. This is the innocuously named Utah Data Centre being built for the NSA near a tiny town called Bluffdale. When completed next year, the heavily fortified $2bn building, which is self-sufficient with its own power plant, will be five times the size of the US Capitol in Washington DC. It will house gigantic servers that will store vast amounts of data from ordinary Americans that will be sifted and mined for intelligence clues. It will cover everything from phone calls to emails to credit card receipts.

    “Yet the UDC is just the most obvious sign of how the operations and scope of the NSA has grown since the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Under Bush, a key part was a secret ‘warrantless wiretapping’ programme that was scrapped when it was exposed. However, in 2008 Congress passed a bill that effectively allowed the programme to continue by simply legalising key components. Under Obama, that work has intensified and earlier this year a Senate intelligence committee extended the law until 2017, which would make it last until the end of any Obama second term.’
    .
    ” ‘Obama did not reverse what Bush did, he went beyond it. Obama is just able to wrap it up in a better looking package. He is more liberal, more eloquent. He does not look like a cowboy,’ said James Bamford, journalist and author of numerous books about the NSA including 2008’s The Shadow Factory.

    “That might explain the lack of media coverage of Obama’s planned changes to a military funding law called the National Defence Authorisation Act. A clause was added to the NDAA that had such a vague definition of support of terrorism that journalists and political activists went to court claiming it threatened them with indefinite detention for things like interviewing members of Hamas or WikiLeaks.

    “Few expected the group to win, but when lawyers for Obama refused to definitively rebut their claims, a New York judge ruled in their favour. Yet, far from seeking to adjust the NDAA’s wording, the White House is now appealing against the decision.

    “That hard line should perhaps surprise only the naive. ‘He’s expanded the secrecy regime in general,’ said Radack. Yet it is the drone programme and “kill list” that have emerged as most central to Obama’s hardline national security policy. In January 2009, when Obama came to power, the drone programme existed only for Pakistan and had seen 44 strikes in five years. With Obama in office it expanded to Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia with more than 250 strikes. Since April there have been 14 strikes in Yemen alone.

    “Civilian casualties are common. Obama’s first strike in Yemen killed two families who were neighbours of the target. One in Pakistan missed and blew up a respected tribal leader and a peace delegation. He has deliberately killed American citizens, including the radical cleric Anwar al-Awlaki in September last year, and accidentally killed others, such as Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdul-Rahman.

    “The drone operation now operates out of two main bases in the US, dozens of smaller installations and at least six foreign countries. There are ‘terror Tuesday’ meetings to discuss targets which Obama’s campaign manager, David Axelrod, sometimes attends, lending credence to those who see naked political calculation involved.

    “Yet for some, politics seems moot. Obama has shown himself to be a ruthless projector of national security powers at home and abroad, but the alternative in the coming election is Republican Mitt Romney.

    ” ‘Whoever gets elected, whether it’s Obama or Romney, they are going to continue this very dangerous path,’ said Radack. ‘It creates a constitutional crisis for our country. A crisis of who we are as Americans. You can’t be a free society when all this happens in secret.’ “ (My emphasis)
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/02/drone-wars-secrecy-barack-obama

  52. Ken, I have to run, and can’t read through the full quote yet, but thought I’d put this up as preliminary reply.
    My quote above…

    1- All economists of note acknowledge that Obama did as best a job as anyone could have stopping the recession from getting worse. I happen to think that we were better off letting it collapse then rebuilding anew…but in terms of what the standards are, he did a great job.
    2- Individually (blowing up people across the globe), he is worse than Bush, but in terms of preventing another 9/11 under his watch, why can’t you give him credit?
    3- If he went along with the cries for war from the republicans, guess where we would be?
    Fighting wars in North Korea, Iran and Syria.
    4- I don’t recall any previous president who faced such open and blatant coalition against him, one eager to crash the country for the sake of scoring political points.

    establishes a standard based on not what I feel, morally, subjectively, but what we use to determine the effectiveness of a president.
    I have also pointed out that in terms of blowing up people around the globe, Obama is surely worse than Bush. I have mentioned on another thread that Obama got the benefit of the doubt from liberals but had Romney won, we would be in the streets by now.
    And, I did not vote for him the second time based almost solely on his escalation of murder inc.
    But, yeah, only through HIm could things have gotten as bad as they did.

    In regards to comparing him to Bush, he has managed to keep us out of another full blown occupation like Iraq and nation building, like Iraq. For the sake of this exact debate with Olly, it is worth some credit…a lil’bit.

  53. “As for your It is the brand name of the most virulent disease currently ravaging Europe and beyond., thank you for finally coming out of the closet and revealing yourself in all your bigoted glory:) Finally!”

    Your welcome Po. If you consider naming a threat bigoted then so be it. You have been very vocal in identifying what you consider a threat and I have not been so ignorant as to claim it’s because you are a bigot. I spent most of my Navy career in a Cold War against communism. Does that make me a bigot against Russians or any nation that posed a threat to our national security? Should a woman that is being assaulted by a man avoid “identifying” her assailant because it’s not politically correct?

    EVERYTHING on this planet is identified as something and in your world, extremism conducted by a culture self-identified as being motivated by Islam shall not be named. Your defense of this religion has clouded your judgment. I have a Palestinian-born American friend who has no problem identifying these extremists for what they are. He is a Muslim and when I have explained how you are defending these people his response is that “she is what’s wrong with our faith.”

    I don’t need your benefit of the doubt; never have and never will. You see I have never tried to cover for ANY group violating the natural rights of others, but you knee-jerk to some moral equivalency argument when it comes to atrocities perpetrated by self-identified Islamic Extremists.

    Nicely done!

  54. If the people aren’t allowed to speak, how will the “representative” government know what to do?

    How can any people enjoy freedom if people aren’t required to live with the results of freedom?

    Oh, I get it. Dictatorial global communism got rid of representative republicanism a long time ago.

    Who the hell does Merkel think she is? Can voters outvote their constitution or vote to violate innate and accepted, natural rights like freedom of thought, speech, press, assembly, religion, etc.

    Angela Merkel reminds me of the tyrant and despot, Crazy Abe Lincoln, who illegally and unconstitutionally ignored legal secession and suspended Habeas Corpus among all the other illegal and unconstitutional acts he committed during his “Reign of Terror.” How about those wild and crazy folks who have availed themselves of their innate, God-given right to secede in Catalonia, Scotland, West Virginia, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the entire, late USSR? I wonder if Merkel has associated the dictator, Lincoln, with the psychotic husband who beats the hell out of his wife in order to force her to say in his marriage and in his house? Take it easy, Abe!

    Seems like the people breaking the rules are supposed to be defined as traitors committing treason.

    And the punishment for treason in Britain, until the 18th century, was Drawing and Quartering.

    How apropos.

    Those pesky French folks rolled out the guillotines and had a bloody-good party, now didn’t they?

  55. po – given the number of people who wear body armor, the groin shot or a head shot is the better option.

  56. Spoken like a woman, DBQ:)
    A man would choose a central mass shot over a groin shot….

    po….your lack reading comprehension is showing again..

    Read my comment again———>A central body mass shot is much more effective and less likely to miss.

  57. Fascinating thread. It appears a few have terminal BDS. Hopefully, w/ that disabling mental condition, they aren’t able to purchase firearms.

  58. Dieter, Don’t you love having someone living in the US lecturing you on Germany. You have the patience of Job, good woman. I would have told the sanctimonious Education Industry bureaucrat to go defecate in his beret.

  59. That should have been addressed to Riesling. It is concerning Dieter. I doubt he’ll return, having been put in his place as was flyboy. Some liberals have the smarts to fade away when they’ve been ripped a new one. But, some just keep lying, dissembling, distorting, etc. The liberals who are shameless and clueless are the most annoying. But, the worst one is gone, proof there is a God.

  60. Cologne Mayor to Victims of Migrant Sex Assaults: You Asked For It

    Feminism dies on multiculturalism’s sacrificial altar.

    January 8, 2016

    Robert Spencer

    On New Year’s Eve in Cologne, Germany, around 1,000 Muslim migrants congregated by the city’s main train station, where they sexually assaulted numerous women and gleefully defied police; one officer recounted that the attackers showed a lack of respect for the police “like I have never experienced in my 29 years of public service.” An attacker crowed, “I’m a Syrian! You have to treat me kindly! Mrs. Merkel invited me.” In response, Cologne Mayor Henriette Reker has vowed to make sure that women change their behavior, so that they don’t provoke the poor dears to sexual assault again.

    That’s right. As hard as it may seem to believe, Reker blamed the victims, and declared that corrective measures would be taken. She said: “The women and young girls have to be more protected in the future so these things don’t happen again.” She didn’t mean protected by police. “This means,” Reker continued, “they should go out and have fun, but they need to be better prepared, especially with the Cologne carnival coming up. For this, we will publish online guidelines that these young women can read through to prepare themselves.”

    Reker’s words recalled a hadith in which Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, said to a Muslim woman: “‘O Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this,’ and he pointed to her face and hands.” (Sunan Abu Dawud 4092) The idea behind a woman covering everything except her face and hands is rooted in the assumption that if a man is tempted by her, it’s her fault. She can therefore try to quell that temptation by removing its impetus and covering up. If she fails to do so, or if she covers up and is attacked anyway, the fault lies entirely with her, and her family can cleanse itself of the dishonor she has brought upon them by putting her to death.

    There is no room in this web of assumptions, which is all too common in the Islamic world, for the idea that if a man rapes or sexually assaults a woman, he bears the guilt. The guilt is all on his victim.

    And now, Henriette Reker has shown us yet again that when multiculturalism and feminism come into conflict, multiculturalism always wins – at least when it comes to Islam. Feminists have been telling the world for decades that it is outrageous and wrong to say that a rape victim was “asking for it” because of the way she was dressed. But now, Reker has said essentially just that: if only the women in Cologne had been properly “prepared,” you see, if only they had access to the “guidelines” she is cooking up, then all would have been well. Reker said nothing about getting Muslim migrants “prepared” for life in Germany, and has made no announcement about issuing any “guidelines” for them about how to keep themselves from molesting women.

    No, for Reker, as for Islamic supremacists everywhere, the responsibility to prevent sexual assault lies solely with them women. What, then, will her “guidelines” direct the non-Muslim women of Cologne to do? If she is consistent, they will tell women to buy a niqab. Buy a burqa. Or at very least to “dress modestly.” The “guidelines” will remind women that if they get attacked by migrants, it’s their own fault, as they should have been more careful.

    And so Cologne’s Mayor slips without any evident hesitation into the Sharia mindset that it is entirely the woman’s responsibility to avoid tempting men, and entirely her fault if she is attacked.

    The rape of captive non-Muslim women is sanctioned in Islamic tradition. One of Muhammad’s followers recounted:

    We went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi’l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them…(Sahih Muslim 3371)

    There is no indication that they thought it necessary to obtain the consent of the women involved. They were just chattel. So also now, apparently, are the women of Cologne – and if they’re not “prepared,” so much the worse for them.

  61. 18 Refugees Arrested in Muslim Rape Mob Attacks

    January 8, 2016

    Daniel Greenfield

    After the initial wave of horrifying attacks on women in Cologne, Germany, a city which had taken in 10,000 refugees, the authorities insisted that migrants had nothing to do with it. Now it turns out asylum seekers made up a majority of the attackers.

    Cologne police spokeswoman German authorities have identified 31 people, including 18 asylum-seekers, as suspects in mob sex attacks and muggings in Cologne on New Year’s Eve — one of several such incidents in Europe.

    Christoph Gilles told reporters Friday that some 170 criminal complaints have been filed related to the apparently coordinated attacks, “at least 120 of which have a sexual angle.”

    An 80-person investigative team is looking at 250 videos (with about 350 hours of footage), Gilles added.

    The suspects include nine Algerian nationals, eight people from Morocco, five from Iran and four from Syria, German interior ministry spokesman Tobias Plate said. Two are German citizens, while one each are from Iraq, Serbia and the United States.

    It’s not hard to figure out the common denominator there. Islam.

    Meanwhile we went from none to 18 and that is of a total of 31 arrested out of hundreds of attackers.

  62. bam, in my 60+ years I have not seen any comparable hypocrisy to the way liberals and feminists pander to Muslims. It’s beyond plunging down the rabbit hole.

  63. Muslim Rapist to German Cops: “I Am Syrian. You Have to Treat Me Kindly. Mrs Merkel Invited Me.”

    Oh those poor, poor Syrian refugees

    January 7, 2016

    Daniel Greenfield

    Oh those poor, poor Syrian refugees. The oppressed of the earth and smartphones. Downtrodden in hiking boots. All they want is to come to the West and leave peaceable lives of mass groping of the native women.

    We would be uncharitable to refuse them.

    And the Halal chicken refugees have come to Europe to roost.

    In a crowd of 1,000 men, hundreds of Muslim refugees prowled, assaulting and robbing any woman they could find. A police officer described seeing crying women stumble toward him after midnight. He managed to rescue one woman whose clothes had been torn off her body from a group of her attackers, but could not save her friends because the mob had begun hurling fireworks at him.

    The eight men he arrested carried asylum papers. They were among the mob of refugees welcomed by the people of Cologne.

    A man spoke of being unable to protect his wife or teenage daughter from the mob. A British tourist fought against being forced into a car. A 17-year-old girl described being brutally violated and seeing other girls in the police station in the same condition. A 22-year-old woman recalled, “When I called for help, they laughed.” Even an undercover policewoman had been molested.

    The authorities insist that the wonderful refugees Merkel decided to bring to Germany had nothing to do with it. The cops and the refugees would beg to differ.

    But the leaked police report, published in Bild newspaper and Spiegel, a news magazine, claims that one of those involved told officers: “I am Syrian. You have to treat me kindly. Mrs Merkel invited me.”

    Another tore up his residence permit before the eyes of police, and told them: “You can’t do anything to me, I can get a new one tomorrow.”

    A local newspaper reported that fifteen asylum-seekers from Syria and Afghanistan were briefly held by police on New Year’s Eve in connection with the sex attacks but were released.

    The Express newspaper quoted an unnamed police officer who said his squad had detained several people who had “only been in Germany for a few weeks”.

    “Of these people, 14 were from Syria and one was from Afghanistan. That’s the truth. Although it hurts,” he said.

    Well he’s right. These “refugees” can’t be deported. They’ll get a slap on the wrist and be back on the streets before you can shout Heil Allah. And there’s more.

    In a separate development that could further stoke public anger, it emerged on Thursday that three Syrians have been arrested in southern Germany on suspicion of the gang rape of two teenage girls on New Year’s Eve.

    Behold the tolerance. Maybe Merkel can get another Man of the Year cover out of this one.

  64. I mean they pandered to the rapist, Bubba. But, he didn’t make his victims wear a hijab. And, he gives them all a copy of Leaves of Grass. I just learned that recently.

  65. To fellow comment folks here. I often yak facetiously and yak satire. But I must state that I have visited Germany and Austria several times and fully appreciate the people and culture. Berlin is a great city but so is Koeln or however it is truly spulled. I hope that Angela can curb this immigration fiasco. Europe nation states need to put a navy on the waters around Greece, Syria, Turkey etc and put the migrants right back on shore from whence they came.

  66. Barkin, Merkel is welcoming unchecked refugees w/ open arms, putting the great country of Germany in peril. She needs to be curbed, like a good dog.

  67. DBQ, get off your outrage and reread me…comprehension issue, eh?
    Any man would choose being shot in the chest than in the groin…. so am telling you that the best thing you can do as a woman, and the worse thing for the man, is to shoot him in the groin.
    Take my advice or leave it, your choice!

  68. What’s wrong with this picture?

    In Germany, as it was in America, never were the inmates to have taken over the asylum.

    Of course America was intended as a “restricted-vote republic,” not a one man, one vote democrazy.

    It appears Tytler was correct.

    Alexander Fraser Tytler –

    “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the people discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the canidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy–to be followed by a dictatorship.”

    Tytler doesn’t inform us as to the solution to the catastrophic dictatorship.

  69. Another good thread broken by Nick quoting himself and bambam quoting Robert Spencer and Daniel Greenbeans…what else is new?
    I am willing to bet that sooner or later we’ll hear much of what is being claimed here is untrue..
    I can bet my friendship with karen that the quote making the round “”Muslim Rapist to German Cops: “I Am Syrian. You Have to Treat Me Kindly. Mrs Merkel Invited Me.” is a made up one! Pretty obvious.

    Meanwhile, those muslims keep raping our military women, our college students and murdering our pregnant women in numbers unmatched in the western hemisphere…and anywhere else for that matter.
    Those damn muslims!

    Nick, bambam, where is yours?
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/muslim-marine-masterfully-bashes-trump-by-posting-his-military-id-badge-wheres-yours/

  70. Here is the really really big problem with what is happening in Germany, Europe and soon in the United States. If the government doesn’t actually step up and protect its OWN citizens instead of protecting the invading immigrants there is going to be some bad and likely very violent push back by the people.

    People are being told

    1. it istheir fault that they are being harmed, raped robs by the immigrants and to shut up about terrorism.

    2. they are racists if they don’t like being overwhelmed by immigrants or worried that they are losing their culture

    3. that we need to change to accommodate the invaders. stay home. dress different. that we are the offending ones

    4. being called selfish racists, bigots if they don’t want to pay for and support all these invaders and basically being told SHUT UP AND ROLL OVER.

    IF/When we get organized vigilantes and groups who feel that they have no other recourse but to take up arms and protect themselves, it is the beginning of a very dark trend.

    Until the government decides who are the priorities and decides to protect their own people, their cultures, their borders the situation is only going to get worse. Much worse.

  71. Actually, Po, one of the women who was sexually assaulted by the marauding migrant gangs in Cologne was a policewoman. Not just contempt for the host country that invited them in and gave them sanctuary, but total contempt for the law as well. Jeez, even a dog has the brains to not bite the hand that feeds it…..what’s wrong with these people…besides being stupid, dirty and uncivilized? Hopefully they’ll be rounded up and dumped back in sh*thole countries that they came from…..

  72. IS THE “BIRTHRATE” IMPORTANT?

    Germany allowed the refugee invasion because it’s birthrate is in a “death spiral.”

    __________

    “Germany passes Japan to have world’s lowest birth rate – study”

    “A study says Germany’s birth rate has slumped to the lowest in the world, prompting fears labour market shortages will damage the economy.”

    “Germany has dropped below Japan to have not just the lowest birth rate across Europe but also globally, according to the report by Germany-based analysts.”

    “Its authors warned of the effects of a shrinking working-age population.”

    __________

    Radical women like Merkel have put Western nations in a “death spiral.”

    China lifted its one-child policy.

    Western nations are committing societal suicide by birthrate.

    Western nations are being invaded and diluted to extinction by high birth-rate invaders.

    Looks like that pesky 19th amendment specifically and collectivism generally won’t bear the fruits promised.

    Who’s idea was that anyway?

    Do any of America’s enemies employ women, deploy women to the front lines and terminate their birthrate?

    Are the inmates (i.e. women) running the asylum in the nations of America’s enemies –

    China, North Korea, Syria, Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, ISIL, Cuba, Iran, Russia et al.?

  73. Note that po, right on cue, incapable of defending the Muslim hoards and their seemingly consistent criminal pattern of behaving violently and unpredictably around those with the bad luck of entering into their vicinity–any assortment of infidels–resorts to his tired and old tactic of criticizing the authors of the very articles who succeed in exposing these atrocities, including those on here with the audacity to condemn these behaviors. A very typical tactic, where people, who fear being calling a racist or any kind of phobe, slink into submission and remain silent in the face of their society’s complete destruction by the invading enemy. An apologist of epic proportions. If only he would exert a mere fraction of his anger and wrath against those of his own religion, who continue to exhibit a pattern of being incapable of living peacefully in the community of man. Muslims, it appears, are incapable of living peacefully anywhere in the world with their neighbors. Want to blame Israel? Lol! Israel is only the tip of the iceberg, and Germany is getting a big, ole spoonful of inviting barbarians into its midst. A big, giant taste of it, shoved into its mouth, by traitorous politicians. Ah, yes, that’s right. Po can’t speak the truth here. Any criticism of his religion will land him in a heap of trouble, and that’s putting it mildly. What a swell religion. Time to tell Europe to hang it up and shut off the lights. Elvis has left the building.

  74. Nick: I think you are right about Angela. My view is that the situation will get so bad that she will get kicked out and a more right side of the aisle will take over. Something about the events in Cologne stinks and we are not talking perfume here. Koln. Koeln. The Cologne spelling is a Brit thing. They do the same with Firenze (Florence) or Venizia (Venice) or Wien (Vienna).

  75. Europe is up itShay creek without a paddle on this migration thing. Boots on the ground are needed to destroy ISIS and ships at sea right now to stem the migrants.

  76. Bambam, I agree with you, let’s round them up then gas them. Pretty effective I say.

    So many whiners..””.ooh, the migrants are taking over our countries…oh my god…please someone stop them…””
    Now you want your governments to stop the immigrants, but were quite silent and complicit when those same governments destroyed one middle east country after another after another…

    You support terrorist groups, including ISIS in Syria to take out Assad, which causes the very secular population to take flight for to Europe, through Turkey which supports Isis with our cooperation…through Libya whose leader we took out leaving a country in shreds and a population displaced…? Where do you think those populations will head to?
    Yes, your shores, people!

    This is the cost of nation building, people, of exporting democracy worldwide, or raining missiles upon civilian populations, or arming terrorist groups when convenient to do our dirty work…
    ENJOY:)

  77. Seems like po has taken to his religion quite well, if you ask me. His response to the barbaric behavior? Why, it’s none other than the ole–YOU DESERVE THIS. YOU’RE GETTING THIS BECAUSE YOU DROVE ME TO THIS. The Muslim invaders, who act as abusers, rapists and murderers, can now use po’s refrain, YOU DESERVE THIS, YOU EVIL MEDDLESOME IMPERIALISTS. YOU HAVE CAUSED ME TO ABUSE, RAPE AND MURDER. DON’T BLAME ME. YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS ON YOURSELVES. Emboldened by the fervent need exhibited to acquiesce to every whim and demand hurled at these governments by these interlopers, the acts of violence and destruction will only continue to escalate. No mention, as expected, that his religion encourages and promotes this insanity. I can only imagine that po, as he pummels his wife, tells her that she, herself, is to blame for the beatings, in that she brought them on herself. You can take the boy out of the jungles of Africa, but you can’t take the jungles of Africa out of the boy.

  78. I don’t know, Olly, naming a religion of 2 billion people a virulent disease sounds very bigoted to me! Unless it is just ignorant? I get confused considering how both are so prevalent here. Unlike you however, I have yet to call Christianity a virulent disease, that would be pretty idiotic of me.
    Nor have I made the many to bear the burden of the few, that would be equally idiotic. The threat I have identified is the white male militia with Christian right leanings… and that was before the Malheur take over… and that includes most of the 353 mass shootings that took place this year alone.
    Unless white male militia of christian right wing leanings defines Christianity?
    You tell me!

    To try to frame this debate in terms of what to call whom is pretty intellectually dishonest, and you well know it. You throw words whose meaning you seem not to know…still cannot answer what is/who is a muslim? Is Muslim an ethnicity? A religion? A culture?
    You obviously do not know…nor do your friends know…and yet the word keeps being thrown about freely!
    We could refer to Syrians…to Afghans…to Libyans…but no, you opted for Muslims, why?
    You opted for 1000 instead of 15, 45,100, why?
    You called a whole faith virulent disease…why?
    You demanded to know my view on Israel’s right to exist, Why?
    And I when I asked you to clarify your question, you accused me of antisemitism, why?

    As far as defending a religion, what are you defending, Judaism? What are bambam and kfc defending, Buddhism?
    …””extremism as being motivated by Islam…””, is Islam a culture now? Are you saying that groping and raping is a religiously crime?
    I wished I was there to hear your take on me to your Palestinian friend…I have the nagging suspicion I would not have recognized the argument you assigned to me.

    Matters little, as far as I know, I am still one of the few here who has condemned without any reserve any act of violence, especially religious violence against civilian, especially women and children. My knee-jerk reaction has been very consistent, and it goes along the wisdom of Christ :”Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?””

    In light of the rank islamophobia that permeates this site, to accuse me of sensitivity is pretty ridiculous…then again…

  79. Bam, I agree with you…let’s gas them, let’s round them up, take them to camps, gas them for ever…what else to do to subhumans?
    In light of Mein Kampf being reprinted however, I would be careful about advocating hatred for another group…As I said, all xenophobia always comes around to being directed to the Jews…and it would be pretty ironic that what you advocate for ends up your problem:)

  80. How rich that po, whose religion demands the death of all non-adherents and requires it as part of jihad, somehow attempts to accuse others, who have never, even once, advocated for violent action against anyone, of the same barbaric intentions and behavior. Epic fail, po. Keep flapping those wings, you still can’t fly. Now, continue on with beating your wife, as commanded by your religion. Don’t forget to throw in the ole, YOU DESERVE THIS. YOU ASKED FOR THIS. ISLAM DEMANDS THIS OF ME, for good measure.

  81. I’m trying to follow the logic of those who excuse these attacks based on the fact that these are not the only people in the entire country who assault women.

    To clarify, if we hypothetically allowed in asylum seekers from countries that severely abuse women’s rights, beating them for not following religious law, and gangs of these asylum seekers start attacking women in Los Angeles, we would NOT have to revise our asylum process because there are others who also assault women in LA for unrelated reasons?

    That is false logic.

    We want to rescue women, for example, from the hands of the extremists who beat them and keep them prisoner in their own homes, not roll out the red carpet for their abusers.

  82. bam, such a claim should be easy to prove, eh?
    I mean, that is a very clear claim, very specific, and which therefore should be very easy, very easy to prove, right?
    You should be able to open the Quran and pull out verses in context that say exactly that, right?
    So, if you do not, we are forced to conclude that your claim is BS , right?
    I mean, what else should we conclude?
    So we are waiting for your oh so clear claims to be supported very clearly, with verses in context…

    Now, I suspect, based on precedent, that you will:
    1-Disappear and act like I never challenged you to offer proofs
    2- Offer out of context, incomplete verses taken from websites

    Right now my money is on 1…but please surprise me.

  83. @bam bam
    1, January 8, 2016 at 7:53 pm
    “Seems like po has taken to his religion quite well, if you ask me. His response to the barbaric behavior? Why, it’s none other than the ole–YOU DESERVE THIS. YOU’RE GETTING THIS BECAUSE YOU DROVE ME TO THIS.”

    Your evident (from this and other posts) unconsciousness of the exponentially more accurate applicability of this tirade, but against the Israeli government’s monumentally and lethally barbaric behavior toward the Palestinian people, strongly suggests that you have taken to your religion quite well, bam bam, which religion (whatever it may be) in your case seems to involve a peculiarly intense hatred of some 1.6 billion people.

  84. Agree with you, karen…
    Let’s start right here…the Muslims in the US military
    ———————-
    In his documentary The Invisible War, Oscar-nominated director Kirby Dick exposes an epidemic of rape within the US military, with some 22,800 violent sex crimes alleged in 2011 alone. The harrowing testimony of the victims contrasts with the systemic cover-up of these crimes by military authorities and a long-standing refusal to take decisive action. The extracts here show victims suffering twice: at the hands of both the attacker and the military justice system. Authorities insist they take this seriously
    • For more on the film and campaign visit invisiblewarmovie dot com

    ——————————-
    Regarding beating women who do not follow religious law…I agree with you there too
    Is there really abuse in the Jewish community?
    Abuse does not favor one religious, economic, religious, or ethnic group over another. It is found in all groups—including the Jewish community. It also does not favor more conservative or more liberal groups—it is found across the spectrum of Jewish affiliations (and lack of affiliation). We do not have good numbers as to the incidence of abuse in the Jewish community; many Jews and Jewish groups are uncooperative in identifying the problem. Many involved in the field suggest that the incidence of abuse is on par with that of other communities. – See more at: faithtrustinstitute dot org/

    And how do you justify this karen?
    For many years there has been a myth that domestic violence among Jewish families was infrequent. However, there is much data demonstrating that domestic abuse is a significant and under-recognized behavior in Jewish communities in Israel and the Diaspora. Jewish women typically take a longer time to leave abusive relationships for fear that they will lose their children and because they are aware of the difficulties in obtaining a get, a Jewish divorce document. .myjewishlearning dot com/article/domestic-violence-in-jewish-law/

    And then this, which I am sure you will make your cause celebre.
    I wonder how bambam feels about it:
    jta dot org/2015/10/21/life-religion/the-only-safe-place-for-battered-orthodox-jewish-women-in-israel

    And how do you justify this, karen?
    The Silent Epidemic
    Countless Christian women are battered every day. Here’s how to respond if you or someone you love is abused.
    Corrie Cutrer
    The Silent Epidemic
    Her husband’s comments were so routine that for 20 years, Brenda Branson didn’t realize she was a victim of verbal and emotional abuse.

    “You breathe too loud,” her husband would tell her. “Your smile is silly. You look terrible. Don’t you have anything better to wear?”

    It wasn’t until Brenda realized his comments weren’t true that she approached him. And that’s when he picked up a chair and hit her with it. Brenda knew she had to do something, so she went to her pastor. Unfortunately he wasn’t equipped to handle domestic abuse; his suggestions about submitting to her husband only made her home life more difficult. “Our church didn’t know what to do with us,” Brenda says. “They just wanted the problem to go away.”

  85. I neglected to mention that one of the most salient aspects of this situation is that women claim this has been going on for quite some time, but it has been hushed up by the media and government. They fear a backlash against immigrants and public policy.

    But this is allegedly not the first time this has happened.

    Do you recall that disturbing article about ISIS tossing gay men off a building to execute them for their sexuality, under Sharia Law? Can you imagine if those same murderers emigrated here?

    It’s difficult to properly vet refugees. We are barred (for some insane reason) from reviewing their social media postings. We basically ask them if they plan to commit terrorist acts. But the FBI is understaffed and overwhelmed. It has the current capacity to watch about 70 people 24/7, but we’re talking about bringing in 10,000. How can they possibly comb through all the data? Verify identities? Keep watch to ensure they do not link up with extremist organizations? Where do the refugees stay during the long process? We’ve already seen a failure in our current procedure, as Tafshin Farook should never have been allowed into the country on a finance visa because of what she wrote on Social Media alone.

    None of this inspires confidence.

  86. I have zero interest in discussing even the weather with Po. This is not avoidance of rational discussion. When someone calls you vile names 100% of the time you engage in a discussion with him, it’s self destructive to get sucked in.

    Po routinely lies about my opinions, what I’ve posted, and makes insane statements, like I want women and children to die. He also has called me everything from a bigot to lazy, to my place in a harem.

    Not interested.

  87. Karen S
    1, January 8, 2016 at 10:48 am

    You don’t think thousands of people being murdered by their leader, Assad, would drive people to seek asylum? Assad killed almost 8,000 people between January and February alone, while ISIS killed less then 2,000 in the same time period. That’s one of the reasons why our efforts to help Syria have been so tepid. Whom do we support? Assad? ISIS? The other extremists? It’s hard to pick a side when Syria is such a vat of extremism. If you GOOGLE “terrorist trained in Syria” you will get an overwhelming number of hits. The actual, good people are sandwiched between murderous extremists on all sides.

    The crux of the matter is that prior to 2011 and the start of the Western backed terror war in Syria the Bashar al-Assad government was one of the most stable/secular governments left standing in the Middle East. The other stable/secular/wealthy nations Libya and Iraq had already been destroyed by US government extremists called neo-cons and humanitarian interventionists (who insanley believe in using bombs to bring aid).

    Tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Western backed terrorists/mercenaries are terrorizing the people of Syria in an attempt to force the Syrian government to abdicate it’s authority. If the Syrian people wanted to dump the Assad government they had every opportunity in 2014 when 73% of eligible Syrian voters participated and selected Bashar al-Assad overwhelmingly in an election monitored and ratified by observers from over 30 countries.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/06/04/Assad-readies-for-Syria-vote-count-victory-.html

    The ability of the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries to fight two nations states (Syria, Iraq) and their large modern/trained armies simultaneously exposes the terrorists/mercenaries Achilles heel: their chain of supply. The logistics involved is beyond the capacity of simple terror/mercenary organizations which implicitly means the involvement of a nation state that has developed the capacity to move thousands of tons of material/supplies long distances in short times daily for months and years on end. There is only one nation with this type of military airlift capacity in the world and it is the US which operates hundreds of large military cargo aircraft 24hrs a day with global range.

    How do tens of thousands of Western backed terrorists/mercenaries transverse international borders enter/leave Syria seemingly at will?

    Where do the thousands of tons of munitions needed by the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries daily to wage a multi-front war against two nation with modern armies originate?

    Who provides the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries communication gear?

    Where do the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries obtain their medical supplies?

    Where do the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries get the tons of food needed to keep tens of thousands of fighters fed?

    Where have the Western backed terrorists/mercenaries been trained?

    What actions would the US government take if US militia groups (with or without foreign government support) used an armed terror campaign and attempted to overthrow the government?

    I agree that good people are sandwiched between extremists in Syria.

  88. I win again, karen declines to offer proofs…which I called!
    What do I win?
    But, since she made another false claim, I have no choice but to help her in her difficult work distinguishing the lies she accidentally states from the truth.
    ——————————————————–
    Oliver compared the GOP’s xenophobic posturing to back when, in 1939, the U.S. turned away the MS St. Louis—a boat filled with 937 mostly Jewish refugees seeking asylum from Nazi Germany. The U.S. turned the boat away in what later became known as the “Voyage of the Damned,” when over a quarter of them—roughly 227—ended up being killed during the Holocaust.

    “It is absolutely fair to be concerned about safety in the wake of these attacks, and it’s fair to wonder who we’re letting in and what sort of screening system is in place. Unfortunately, many of the people talking about it this week don’t seem to have the first idea of what we’re doing,” said Oliver, who then cut to a montage of Republicans complaining how “easy” our vetting process is for Syrian refugees.

    Then Oliver walked the ill-informed GOP through America’s very stringent vetting process for Syrian refugees.

    “If you’re a refugee, first, you apply through the United Nations High Commission of Refugees, which collects documents and performs interviews. Incidentally, less than 1 percent of refugees worldwide end up being recommended for resettlement, but if you’re one of them, you may then be referred to the State Department to begin the vetting process,” said Oliver. “At this point, more information is collected, and you’ll be put through security screenings by the National Counterterrorism Center, the FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security, and if you’re a Syrian refugee, you’ll get an additional layer of screening called the Syria Enhanced Review, which may include a further check by a special part of Homeland Security—the USCIS [United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] fraud detection and national security directorate.

    The host of HBO’s ‘Last Week Tonight’ ran through the very, very difficult vetting process Syrian refugees must endure to make it to America.
    “And don’t relax yet, because we’ve barely even started.”

    He continued: “Then, you finally get an interview with USCIS officers and you’ll also be fingerprinted so your prints can be run through the biometric databases of the FBI, Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of Defense. And, if you make it through all that, you’ll also have health screenings which, let’s face it, may not go too well for you because you may have given yourself a stroke going through this process so far. But, if everything comes back clear, you’ll be enrolled in cultural orientation classes—all while your information continues to be checked recurrently against terrorist databases to make sure that no new information comes in that wasn’t caught before.

    “All of that has to happen before you get near a plane!” Oliver continued. “This process typically takes 18 to 24 months once you’ve been referred to the UN by the United States. This is the most rigorous vetting anyone has to face before entering this country. No terrorist in their right mind would choose this path when the visa process requires far less effort.”

    karen you really don’t get tired of being corrected?

  89. karen, that is called avoidance…as is your wont…it is called a refusal to stand behind the claims you made…that’s called avoidance…and intellectual dishonesty…and amoral behavior… some call it lying, just not me!

    Nice move bringing in the ISIS reference…pretty slick…I mean, that’s the trump all card…ISIS…gays…building…
    By the way, I never called you lazy or a bigot, I said your statements frame you as… or your comments are…I know you ain’t!

    As you have said plenty of times, you support the rights of women and children, BUT you also think it justified that Israel massacres Palestinian women and children in retaliation for some rockets.
    Did I misunderstand you?
    If only you would condemn them so we can clearly tell that you condemn all terrorism, just not some!

  90. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
    –Saturday Night Live song of 30 plus years ago.

    Or should we bambam Iran?

    bambam? What would you do?

  91. Best line of the thread: “Baghdad Bob lives.” Thanks, Nick, it made me smile. I needed a smile today. Sometimes I wonder if Merkel and other Western “leaders” have had partial lobotomies, and it worries me:-)

  92. The Cologne police chief resigned this morning. The interior minister, Ralf Jaeger, made this statement: “What happened on the right-wing platforms is at least as offensive as the acts against the women”.
    The (current) German government has clearly stated its priorities. Don’t know if Angie Baby has sewn up her Noble Peace Prize. yet.

  93. “I don’t know, Olly, naming a religion of 2 billion people a virulent disease sounds very bigoted to me!”

    Actually Po I was labeling a Muslim, one that used an extreme interpretation of Islam to justify terrorizing unbelievers as a virulent disease. If telling the truth about Muslims that follow this extreme interpretation of the religion of Islam is bigoted then I proudly wear that title. It’s too bad you have such a disease invading western cultures that even you have no rational defense. Instead you are left trying to use some lame-ass bigot label for anyone that speaks the truth about what is going on. You are not fooling anyone; you believe in natural rights, horseshit!

  94. OK. Try it this way. It’s a grand cycle.

    Women stop having babies and start having “careers.” The birthrate falls and workers are obtained from foreign cultures. The foreign workers increase the birthrate. Foreign workers and their brand new babies begin to dominate the populations. Next thing you know, Germany is gone.

    In America, feminism enters the stage with the 19th amendment and the nation begins a “death spiral” as a diminishing birthrate.

    The “ruling class” forcibly imports foreign workers to fill the gap created by the declining birthrate.

    Foreigners, encouraged by the “ruling class,” can’t possibly assimilate and go about having their way with the country, including the women.

    Instant “culture clash.”

    The good part is that this too will pass; it will be temporary.

    Soon enough the Germans, Americans and Westerners will be diluted out of existence.

    “…to ourselves and our posterity,…”

  95. Olly, this is verbatim:
    ——————–
    “Which brings me to the question, which I keep asking but get no answer for.
    Who/what is a Muslim?”

    It is the brand name of the most virulent disease currently ravaging Europe and beyond. There. Now, let’s assume our past foreign policy was equivalent to us being a smoker. Would you advise the patient to stop smoking and ignore the disease until they quit? Would you defend the disease as a punishment and again, ignore any treatment?
    ————————-
    Does not seem in the above you were referring to one person in particular, you were talking about Islam as the coalition of Muslims, or a Muslim (to be a Muslim) as the brand name…virulent disease…””

    I think your statement is pretty clear…trying to walk it back then attacking me for reacting to such bigoted statement is duplicitous at best. If there is some credit to be given bambam, it is he is quite open about his bigoted sentiments…unlike you and karen.

    The only one, between the two of us who does believe in natural rights is obviously me. I am yet the only one to give EVERYONE the right to their life, liberty and property without accounting for ethnicity, religion or origins.
    Your claim to support natural rights is very biased in favor of some and against others. You are pro-Christian, pro-Western and pro-White…which is all fine as long as you allow others to be pro-whatever hey are. But you don’t.
    It is why the government is necessary to protect those of us in the minority from those of you in the majority, who get all the rights yet keep crying about discrimination.
    If your natural rights mean the taking away of others, then you do not deserve your natural rights, for they have become unnatural.

  96. Speaking of sexual assaults…

    “Sexual Assault Reports Spike at Military Academies in US
    “By Associated Press, 08 January 16

    “Reports of sexual assaults at the three military academies surged by more than 50 percent in the 2014-15 school year, and complaints of sexual harassment also spiked, according to documents reviewed by The Associated Press.

    “A senior defense official says the sharp increases were due largely to students’ growing confidence in the reporting system and expanded awareness programs that over the past several years have included training, videos and information sessions for both students and leaders. The programs have been aimed at making victims more aware of the reporting process and more comfortable seeking help.

    “But the dramatic increases raise nagging questions about whether criminal assaults and harassment are on the rise or if the numbers actually reflect a growing willingness of victims to come forward.” (Emphasis added)
    http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/34503-sexual-assault-reports-spike-at-military-academies-in-us

    The article doesn’t address the religious orientation(s) of those committing the assaults, nor what percentage of them, if any, consisted of refugees from other countries.

  97. John, I agree that women’s careers have led to a decline in the birth rate, but I believe that a more significant factor is materialism. I know upper middle class married women who do not work, yet they only have 1 or 2 children. You can’t have 5 kids if you place more value on a McMansion and two luxury SUVs. Especially among white people, the number of children is limited because they place more value on a high status opulent lifestyle. My youngest sister ended up getting a divorce because her husband was adamantly opposed to having children. He wanted to live as a yuppie in Los Angeles and thought “rug rats” would cramp his style. She married someone else and had 3 kids.

  98. po you are precious. You have such faith in the US Govt. to do its job correctly. You just have not been here long enough.

  99. po – you do not believe in natural rights since you cannot define them. You throw the term out there like it should mean something, however you use it incorrectly. Was that the term of the day from CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood?

  100. There are few cultures, including the US, that do not have varying degrees of problems w/ sexual assault. However, I am a news junkie. I do not find anywhere but in Europe, roving gangs of immigrant males, sexually assaulting strangers. In most cultures, the main problem is sexual assault by someone the victim knows. This is just another example of how Islam is not compatible w/ Western culture. Islam subjugates women. That liberals here and elsewhere pander to this 7th Century mindset is mind boggling.

    Interviewing and interrogating people for a living, I am an expert @ finding truth. For the most part, I think the apologists here know that Islam is not compatible w/ our values, but take their talking points from their leaders. There was a surreal news conference in Philly yesterday. The police spokesman gave a concise and articulate review of the FACTS regarding the point blank shooting of a brave Philly cop by a Muslim, dressed in traditional garb. The spokesman gave the FACT the shooter claimed he did so because he is Muslim and has been called upon to strike policeman by the caliphate. Then, the dull/normal Dem mayor got up to the podium, huffed and puffed, and said “This is not about Islam, nobody in this room thinks it is.” Well, on its face, the Mayor, LIED!

  101. Riesling. You know of course that the situation in Koeln is unique for Germany namely that the Hauptbahnhof and the major cathedral are right next to one another. It is fairly easy for a pickpocket or other petty criminal to disappear there quickly. I know of no other major German city where this is the case.

  102. CBS reporter Lara Logan was stripped naked and raped by gangs of men in Tahir Square. The pathology of Muslim men toward women is well established.

  103. Someone on the blog knows the answer. Does Germany have a written Constitution? Is there any provision for expression of speech? How about assembly? How about the right to petition the government for redress of grievances? Can you publish the text here please.

  104. There is a large percentage of Germans, particularly in cities, who can speak English or follow a movie spoken in English. So I propose promoting the movie Blazing Saddles. The Germans can then see the humor and grasp the prejudices in America back in the days of 1870 or thereabouts.
    It is not the question posed in the movie: “Where da white women at?” It is the other response by the Mayor when asked to let the black people into town: “But Not The Irish!”
    This movie has a lot of subtle statements and not so subtle statements in it which are revealing about humans.

  105. The exercise pertaining to this blog is to, list the comments that equate to “There, you see. I told you. That proves my point. That incident exemplifies the norm.” and so on. Take a news story and find the blogger that links it to statements like “Islam is incompatible with Western culture.” Then give out points and awards, kind of like the pogo stick blogging.

  106. “Does not seem in the above you were referring to one person in particular, you were talking about Islam as the coalition of Muslims, or a Muslim (to be a Muslim) as the brand name…virulent disease…””

    Po,
    It is apparent what “seems” to you is consistent with what “seems” to Philadelphia’s Mayor. I’m not walking anything back. You have one fundamental problem and that is a significant quantity of people are currently attempting to spread an extreme ideology across the globe THEY SAY is consistent with the teachings of Islam. That leaves you with two choices; take a stand against these extremists which would be consistent with a belief in unalienable rights OR take a stand against those that far and wide believe the threat is Islamic extremism. You’ve chosen the latter. As a result, NOTHING that you can possibly say will be believable.

    Perhaps others will try to avoid your accusations of bigotry or Islamophobia but not me. You can call me whatever you like but it will not change the facts. A virulent disease carried by men, women and children is currently threatening western cultures. This disease is self-identified as being consistent with the teachings of Islam.

  107. I found the German Constitution on Google. Here is the opening portion and it begins with human rights and the right of free expression is included.

    Article 1
    [Human dignity – Human rights – Legally binding force of
    basic rights]
    (1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect
    it shall be the duty of all state authority.
    (2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and
    inalienable human rights as the basis of every community,
    of peace and of justice in the world.
    (3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the
    executive and the judiciary as directly applicable law.
    Article 2
    [Personal freedoms]
    (1) Every person shall have the right to free development of his
    personality insofar as he does not violate the rights
    of others or offend against the constitutional order or the
    moral law.
    (2) Every person shall have the right to life and physical integ-
    rity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights
    may be interfered with only pursuant to a law.
    Article 3
    [Equality before the law]
    (1) All persons shall be equal before the law.
    (2) Men and women shall have equal rights. The state shall
    promote the actual implementation of equal rights for
    women and men and take steps to eliminate disadvantages
    that now exist.
    (3) No person shall be favoured or disfavoured because of
    sex, parentage, race, language, homeland and origin, faith,
    or religious or political opinions. No person shall be
    disfavoured because of disability.
    Article 4
    [Freedom of faith and conscience]
    (1) Freedom of faith and of conscience, and freedom to profess
    a religious or philosophical creed, shall be inviolable.
    I. Basic Rights
    15
    (2) The undisturbed practice of religion shall be guaranteed.
    (3) No person shall be compelled against his conscience to
    render military service involving the use of arms. Details
    shall be regulated by a federal law.
    Article 5
    [Freedom of expression, arts and sciences]
    (1) Every person shall have the right freely to express and dis-
    seminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures, and
    to inform himself without hindrance from generally acces-
    sible sources. Freedom of the press and freedom of report-
    ing by means of broadcasts and films shall be guaranteed.
    There shall be no censorship.
    (2) These rights shall find their limits in the provisions of gen-
    eral laws, in provisions for the protection of young persons,
    and in the right to personal honour.
    (3) Arts and sciences, research and teaching shall be free.
    The freedom of teaching shall not release any person from
    allegiance to the constitution.
    (1)
    (2)
    (3)
    (4)
    (5)
    Article 6
    [Marriage – Family – Children]

  108. There does not seem to be a specific provision allowing the Irish into Germany or telling us where da white women are at.

  109. Nick Spinelli
    1, January 9, 2016 at 6:53 am
    There are few cultures, including the US, that do not have varying degrees of problems w/ sexual assault. However, I am a news junkie. I do not find anywhere but in Europe, roving gangs of immigrant males, sexually assaulting strangers. In most cultures, the main problem is sexual assault by someone the victim knows. This is just another example of how Islam is not compatible w/ Western culture. Islam subjugates women. That liberals here and elsewhere pander to this 7th Century mindset is mind boggling.
    …Interviewing and interrogating people for a living, I am an expert @ finding truth.
    ——————————————-
    Nick, ask your buddy trump about his roving bands of Mexicans raping women! Either he lied or you are lying!
    As I said before, the only mind that is incompatible with culture, any culture of value is yours.
    Why don’t you indulge us and show us how Islam subjugates women? As of this morning, it is the only holy book that deems men and women equal …

    I wonder what happened…the old Nick woulda backed up his statements…I think since Prof Turley gave you a talking to, you have been emasculated so much you are just going through the motions of your old troll self…or perhaps your love/hate for Obama is finally taking its toll, permanently:)

    HAHAHAHAa…finding the truth…
    I demand an inquiry into every case Nick worked! I pity the hundreds of poor souls languishing behind bar based on the (unavoidably flawed) work of our expert troll..
    Nick, the only truth you are an exert at finding is the one that isn’t there

  110. Personanongrata:

    “The crux of the matter is that prior to 2011 and the start of the Western backed terror war in Syria the Bashar al-Assad government was one of the most stable/secular governments left standing in the Middle East.”

    I completely disagree.

    Syria has been embroiled in tensions, wars, and coups for most of its 67 year history.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/syrian-civil-war/story?id=20112311

    The 2011 Arab Spring activism in Egypt and Tunisia inspired Syrian protesters to take to the streets in demonstrations against Assad’s regime. Syrians voiced their unhappiness with the stagnant political process and were advocating for democratic reforms.

    These protests did not go over well with the government, which responded with extreme measures including the kidnapping, torture and killing of protesters. Government troops began opening fire on civilians, who fired back in response.

    Civilian rebel forces then began organizing and arming themselves to combat government violence, which led to government military powers destroying entire neighborhoods and towns. Combined, the rising tensions between the two groups created the current state of civil war.

    Recent allegations of the government’s chemical weapon use on civilians have prompted the international community to contemplate serious intervention, but that doesn’t mean the conflict has been limited to the Syrian population exclusively.

    Volunteer rebel fighters from various Middle Eastern countries have joined Syrian rebels in their cause. Some of these foreign fighters joined the action because they want Syria to undergo democratic, political change; others joined because of their personal religious opposition to Assad’s secular regime.

    Assad is secular, a socialist, in fact. But he was never a super nice guy. Like other socialist dictatorships, he killed everybody who protested his government. Some protestors wanted democracy, and some wanted extremist Islam. Although the Arab Spring promised democratic reforms, sadly, extremist Islam was the most organized.

    Syria has also been a hotbed of terrorist activity and training for many years. Is that your idea of “one of the most stable/secular governments left standing in the Middle East”?

  111. *and an expert too…
    Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 9, 2016 at 4:39 am
    What the hell is a “salted witch” and why should we care about it?

    Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 9, 2016 at 4:52 am
    po you are precious. You have such faith in the US Govt. to do its job correctly. You just have not been here long enough.

    Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 9, 2016 at 4:55 am
    po – she nailed you. Her answer describes your response perfectly.

    Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 9, 2016 at 5:03 am
    po – you do not believe in natural rights since you cannot define them. You throw the term out there like it should mean something, however you use it incorrectly. Was that the term of the day from CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood?
    ———————————-
    Paul, I am gonna have to start charging you…you are requesting too much of my attention.
    Couldn’t you have combined all of those into one paragraph? Or are you still bound to your vow to never write more than 3 phrases together?

    But, if I must answer… no need to care about salted witch unless you are a witch. Karen worries.
    The only faith I have is that you’ll misinterpret my statements.
    Valuable testimony, I thank you.
    I used natural rights according to Olly’s standards. So, if you have an issue with its definition, you have an issue with Olly’s definition. Tell him to his face, not obliquely through me.
    Which CAIR/Muslim Brotherhood, the ones you said with 6 offices in the White House?

  112. Olly says:
    “”That leaves you with two choices; take a stand against these extremists which would be consistent with a belief in unalienable rights OR take a stand against those that far and wide believe the threat is Islamic extremism. You’ve chosen the latter. As a result, NOTHING that you can possibly say will be believable.””
    ———————-
    Wow, Olly, classic case of false dichotomy.
    To break it down:
    Either I side with the extremists of the left, or I side with the extremists of the right?
    No in between?
    Can’t I side against the extremists on the left and still believe the threat is not islamic extremism?
    So the only right answer is to stand against extremism AND believing that islamic extremism is the threat?

    Look, most people haven’t read your silly, illogical post yet…I’ll turn my back so you can delete it. Please.
    I’ll pretend you never posted it… go ahead.
    Karen has the same problem, her fingers play tricks on her and type the opposite of what her brain dictates. I think it must be the cold.
    Those damned fingers!

  113. How can anyone blame Bush for the Recession with a straight face?

    It was Democrats who pushed for lending to the poor. Affirmative Action on a socioeconomic scale. Prior to this, banks lent to people they thought would pay them back – A paper loans with good credit, good savings, a steady income, and a set debt-to-income ratio. In other words, a safe risk. But then Liberals rode in so government could save the day. They determined that this was entirely racist and bigoted. They successfully lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy “affordable housing” loans to the poor. And true to AA standards, they set an initial quota of 30%. Then the HUD increased that quota to 50%. Imagine that – half of all loans bought were made to low income borrowers. What could go wrong? It was literally impossible to find A paper loans for poor borrowers at a quantity of 50%. So, again true to AA, they lowered the bar, even accepting no downpayment loans. The FHA and VA and the Community Reinvestment Act (lending to riskier borrowers) followed suit. Banks were required to make these subprime and low income loans.

    The entirely predictable result was the housing bubble burst and the ensuing economic recession. When the bubble burst, financial institutions took a hard hit, and the Recession began.

    Who opposed the regulation of Fannie and Freddie? Democrats.

    Barney Frank infamously said, “I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidized housing.” But when things went bad, Democrats walked away whistling and blamed Bush.

    In an egg-on-face reversal, Frank admitted In 2010, “I hope by next year we’ll have abolished Fannie and Freddie … it was a great mistake to push lower-income people into housing they couldn’t afford and couldn’t really handle once they had it.”

    Fiscal responsibility escapes Liberal politicians.

  114. Po I am astounded at your lack of honesty in your posts. In reply to Karen you mention the innocent Palestinians who have been killed by the IDF as though the IDF DELIBERATELY targeted them. Then you go on and admit that they do this just because of some ROCKETS, as though such rockets matter not. One has to remember that those rockets are DELIBERATELY AIMED at civilians of Israel, while the IDF attacks are aimed at legitimate military and political targets. BIG DIFFERENCE there. There have never been any war crimes trials for unwanted civilian casualties. In FACT, Hamas admitted that they DO seek civilian deaths to produce more “martyrs”. Now THAT is a WAR CRIME.

  115. Man’s Rights
    by Ayn Rand

    If one wishes to advocate a free society — that is, capitalism — one must realize that its indispensable foundation is the principle of individual rights. If one wishes to uphold individual rights, one must realize that capitalism is the only system that can uphold and protect them. And if one wishes to gauge the relationship of freedom to the goals of today’s intellectuals, one may gauge it by the fact that the concept of individual rights is evaded, distorted, perverted and seldom discussed, most conspicuously seldom by the so-called “conservatives.”

    “Rights” are a moral concept — the concept that provides a logical transition from the principles guiding an individual’s actions to the principles guiding his relationship with others — the concept that preserves and protects individual morality in a social context — the link between the moral code of a man and the legal code of a society, between ethics and politics. Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.

    Every political system is based on some code of ethics. The dominant ethics of mankind’s history were variants of the altruist-collectivist doctrine which subordinated the individual to some higher authority, either mystical or social. Consequently, most political systems were variants of the same statist tyranny, differing only in degree, not in basic principle, limited only by the accidents of tradition, of chaos, of bloody strife and periodic collapse. Under all such systems, morality was a code applicable to the individual, but not to society. Society was placed outside the moral law, as its embodiment or source or exclusive interpreter — and the inculcation of self-sacrificial devotion to social duty

    was regarded as the main purpose of ethics in man’s earthly existence.

    Since there is no such entity as “society,” since society is only a number of individual men, this meant, in practice, that the rulers of society were exempt from moral law; subject only to traditional rituals, they held total power and exacted blind obedience — on the implicit principle of: “The good is that which is good for society (or for the tribe, the race, the nation), and the ruler’s edicts are its voice on earth.”

    This was true of all statist

    systems, under all variants of the altruist-collectivist ethics, mystical or social. “The Divine Right of Kings” summarizes the political theory of the first — ”Vox populi, vox dei” of the second. As witness: the theocracy of Egypt, with the Pharaoh as an embodied god — the unlimited majority rule or democracy of Athens — the welfare state run by the Emperors of Rome — the Inquisition of the late Middle Ages — the absolute monarchy of France — the welfare state of Bismarck’s Prussia — the gas chambers of Nazi Germany — the slaughterhouse of the Soviet Union.

    All these political systems were expressions of the altruist-collectivist ethics — and their common characteristic is the fact that society stood above the moral law, as an omnipotent, sovereign whim worshiper. Thus, politically, all these systems were variants of an amoral society.

    The most profoundly revolutionary achievement of the United States of America was the subordination of society to moral law.

    The principle of man’s individual rights represented the extension of morality into the social system — as a limitation on the power of the state, as man’s protection against the brute force of the collective, as the subordination of might to right. The United States was the first moral society in history.

    All previous systems had regarded man as a sacrificial means to the ends of others, and society as an end in itself. The United States regarded man as an end in himself, and society as a means to the peaceful, orderly, voluntary coexistence of individuals. All previous systems had held that man’s life belongs to society, that society can dispose of him in any way it pleases, and that any freedom he enjoys is his only by favor, by the permission of …

    https://ari.aynrand.org/issues/government-and-business/individual-rights/Mans-Rights#filter-bar

  116. Merkel grew up in former East Germany. She has always been for the east. The 1991 ‘Reunification tax’ is still on the books. The tax continues to anger Germans in the west as they get no benefit. Even if a German child only has 5 euros in the bank, it gets this tax annually also. She has always been for the east, so has a different mindset than the more prosperous west side.

  117. po – different subjects, different comments. And you failed to answer any of my questions. Again you deflect.

  118. @Nick Spinelli
    1, January 9, 2016 at 6:53 am
    “This is just another example of how Islam is not compatible w/ Western culture. Islam subjugates women. That liberals here and elsewhere pander to this 7th Century mindset is mind boggling.”

    And as most of us are aware, I think, the smaller the mind, the more readily it is boggled.

    Speaking of small-mindedness, what if anything distinguishes the nature of your generalizations about Muslims from Hitler’s concerning Jews?

    For example:
    “His unfailing instinct in such things scents the original soul (die urspruengliche Seele) in everyone, and his hostility is assured to anyone who is not spirit of his spirit. Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander.

    “Here he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

    “The ignorance of the broad masses about the inner nature of the Jew, the lack of instinct and narrow-mindedness of our upper classes, make the people an easy victim for this Jewish campaign of lies.

    “While from innate cowardice the upper classes turn away from a man whom the Jew attacks with lies and slander, the broad masses from stupidity or simplicity believe everything. The state authorities either cloak themselves in silence or, what usually happens, in order to put an end to the Jewish press campaign, they persecute the unjustly attacked, which, in the eyes of such an official ass, passes as the preservation of state authority and the safeguarding of law and order.” (Emphasis added)
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/kampf.html

    @Nick Spinelli
    1, January 8, 2016 at 6:12 pm
    “Barkin, Merkel is welcoming unchecked refugees w/ open arms, putting the great country of Germany in peril. She needs to be curbed, like a good dog.”

    Is this your idea of respecting women with whom you disagree, curbing them like dogs? Your anti-Muslim observation here suggests a somewhat circumscribed respect for women with whom you disagree, doesn’t it?

  119. East side, west Side, all around the town….

    The Constitution of Germany has provisions stating the right of free speech, assembly and to petititon the government for redress of grievances. If the German government now wants to suppress speech then the right venue to sue the astardBays is in Nuremberg. Anyone out there recall that name? Nuremberg Trials? Yeah. That was when America and the other allies prosecuted Nazi officials for violating human rights.

    Oh. Do any of you commenters recall BarkinDog’s prior yaks about The 1933 Parallels? Yes. In 1933 the President of Germany, last name von Hindenburg issued The Reichstag Fire Decree. Alll civil rights were abolished so that the government could go get the communists who burned the German Parliament bldg which is called der Reichstag. The holocaust followed.

    Coming soon to a theatre near you.

    Beldar has been to Germany for visits and likes the nation state. Beldar is just here to observe and report back to Planet Remulak what I see.

  120. Ken Rogers: I’ve been looking all over for the comment you posted with information regarding the non violent political activist named….Sharpe?

  121. @bron98
    1, January 9, 2016 at 2:03 pm
    “Stick to writing songs.” “You are not holding a good hand.”

    How about if I write one entitled, “Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is, Duane, and We’ll See” ?

  122. @Hildegard
    1, January 9, 2016 at 2:40 pm
    “Ken Rogers: I’ve been looking all over for the comment you posted with information regarding the non violent political activist named….Sharpe?”

    That would be Gene Sharp:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Sharp

    There’s a free download available of his book, From Dictatorship to Democracy, but I’ve purchased a copy to help support his work. Just search the title and “free pdf”

    By the way, on your recommendation, I took the enneagram test on the website you linked to, and according to that, I’m predominantly a “4”, having scored a 10 as that “type.”

    Please let me know what you think of Dr. Sharp’s ideas.

  123. The Constitutional Court may not be in Nurnberg. It would be appropriate to have the litigation there though. There is a good book out on the topic. It is by Whitney Harris, one of the prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials. It is called Tyranny On Trial.

  124. Thank you Ken. I’ll let you know what I think of Gene Sharp. After a quick look I found his ideas are really fascinating. It should be obvious by now that doing the same thing over and over for eons hasn’t worked so we need a brand spanking new approach to these problems that seem to permeate our very DNA.

    A Four you say? Interesting! Let me know if you do any further exploration. Just today I got an email from a local Enneagram trainer. I’ve been imploring my boss (a Seven) to procure her business consulting services to help alleviate her MANY personnel issues. Amazingly I’m the only employee she has who is able to get along with her and everyone else. Yesterday I got to hear a good 30 minutes of her venting and it’s getting old!

  125. And you thought that our programming was bad, here’s a blow by blow instructional on how to beat your wife according to Islam. Can’t wait to hear the apologists explain this $3it away as something created by the Jews.

  126. “There are and have been many roads leading to fascism in Germany.”– Ralph Adamo

    Response from “Po”: “And each always requires men like Ralph, eager to call for, and support dividing people into groups of better and lesser.”

    Wrong, as usual. The essential ingredient is authoritarianism, whether it be Nazism, Neo-Nazisim, Islamonaziism, or any of its variants. Islamopandering and appeasement of Muslims, like pandering to the Nazis and appeasement of the Nazis, will inevitably result in fascism.

  127. More information about how Islam condones beating women. I suppose that po is missing this–probably in the middle of a smack down with his wife.

  128. Tin,

    You can discuss and rationalize all day long but if the birthrate remains in a “death spiral” in America, Germany, Europe, et al., there won’t be any “Western” nations to worry about.

    Europeans generally will be diluted out of existence in little more than the lifespan of the American Constitution.

    Question: What do women, AKA females, have to do with the birthrate and its attendant “death spiral.”

    We all know that women are great, superior, wonderful, stronger, etc., etc.,

    but if women don’t bear them, who the hell is going to have babies and nurture them?

    It’s a bad job but somebody’s got to do it.

    Maybe we could give out “Mom” medals.

    It’s OK. It’s moot. It’s over.

  129. Of course I could be wrong. I don’t have Nick’s skills but my first clue is how she has taken a special dislike to the various women on this blog. The second clue was when she called me dear. Then again those clues could mean something else altogether.😉

  130. @randyjet
    1, January 9, 2016 at 12:38 pm
    “Po I am astounded at your lack of honesty in your posts. In reply to Karen you mention the innocent Palestinians who have been killed by the IDF as though the IDF DELIBERATELY targeted them. Then you go on and admit that they do this just because of some ROCKETS, as though such rockets matter not. One has to remember that those rockets are DELIBERATELY AIMED at civilians of Israel, while the IDF attacks are aimed at legitimate military and political targets. BIG DIFFERENCE there.”

    Randy, here’s some eyewitness testimony from a Norwegian medical doctor who treated the victims of four separate Israeli government assaults on Gaza, the largest open-air prison in the world. What follows is quoted verbatim from the site linked to below:

    According to UN figures, 3000 children were wounded, 20,000 houses were destroyed, and 500,000 Gazans were displaced. The UN puts the number of children killed at just under five hundred.

    Like so many critics of Israel, Dr. Gilbert is quick to point out how disproportionate the casualties are when the massive Israeli military, with an arsenal more powerful than most of the rest of the countries of the Western world, faces off with the locked-down, mostly unarmed Palestinian population living under a difficult occupation in Gaza. “Now, one Israeli child was killed in the 2014 siege, that is one Israeli child too many,” said Dr. Gilbert. “No Israeli children should get killed. Civilians should not be attacked. I condemn any Palestinian attack on civilians, as I do with Israeli attacks on civilians.

    But there is absolutely no question of the disproportionality between the attacks from the Israeli army on the Palestinian people in Gaza and the meager attempts from the Palestinian people to defend their people. How can you say that you bend over to protect the civilians when more than 50% of the Palestinian hospitals were damaged from the breaking of glass and falling down of the ceilings, some completely demolished, like the rehabilitation hospital, and the Rafah hospital,” he said. “How can you say that you protect the civilians when 60% of the primary health care centers were destroyed and many of them had to close? How can you say that you protect the civilians when 47 ambulances were more or less destroyed? How can you say that you protect the civilians when more than 100 health care workers were killed or injured? These numbers all from the UN report.” (My emphasis)

    And Dr. Gilbert believes that this is not collateral damage, not an accidental killing of civilians, but rather a real attempt by the Israelis to punish the Gazans for the slightest bit of resistance. “There is no doubt in my mind, and I’ve seen this, that the Israeli attacks during the last assault on Gaza were directed at the civilian population as well as against the Palestinians trying to defend their people,” said Gilbert. “More than 140 families had three or more family members killed in the same attack. It was as if the Israeli army were trying to eradicate the DNA of the Palestinian resistance. It was just horrible.”

    Dr. Gilbert has published scholarly papers in the prestigious medical journal The Lancet on everyday life and medical care in the occupied territories and in Gaza. He says nothing can compare to the brutality of an Israeli attack on the Gaza strip. “What I mean by that is when you pound a civilian neighborhood with tons of high explosives and one-ton aerial bombs, and you know this is one of the most densely populated places on earth, you know you are bound to kill civilians: old women, children, civilian men. Whoever lives there, they cannot escape. There are no shelters in Gaza, there is no safe haven in Gaza, there is no way to get out of Gaza because of the siege.” (My emphasis)

    Dr. Gilbert is very clear when he talks about war crimes and slaughters, and he does not believe he is engaging in hyperbole. “When I say slaughter,” said Dr. Gilbert, pausing for emphasis, “I actually base it on what I saw…. You know the Israelis use the term ‘We are mowing the lawn’ when they attack Palestinians in Gaza. But it is a slaughter. We saw it. We saw the kids. I received families of four with children without heads, with their heads shot half off. All killed. And I have no other word for it than a slaughter of the civilians.

    They dropped leaflets to say they should run. Where should they go? They did their knock on roof with the drone rockets saying ‘Leave this house, because we’re going to bomb them.’ Where should they go? Out in the streets where the artillery shells are exploding? It’s almost impossible to describe this horrible feeling, this feeling of being in Hell when you are exposed to the Israeli rage, the military machine. It is so powerful and it’s so small a territory that they’re bombing, that this huge civilian loss is unavoidable. Seventy percent of those killed on the Palestinian side were civilians. (Emphasis mine)

    Like in 2009, like in 2012, like in 2006. And I have been working at Shifa hospital during the last four Israeli attacks on Gaza. And it’s been a mounting brutality. It’s been a sharp increase of the amount of shells, bombs and the types of weapons used.”
    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/34287-focus-slaughter-through-a-stethoscope

    See also: http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2014/07/25/pkg-penhaul-gaza-hospital-emergency-room.cnn

  131. According to AFP, the number of reported attacks has reached 379.

    Let that sink in for a minute……..all that in one night…….at one train station. These poor women must have been horrified. My heart truly goes out to all of them. May they get the justice they deserve.

    It’s like the old saying, “no good deed goes unpunished”.

  132. If we showed a video of Pat Robertson spouting some of his “wisdom”, should we ascribe his views to all Christians?

    Better yet, let’s look at this: http://christwire.org/2009/04/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-husband-to-gently-beat-his-wife/

    I’m wondering how what is said at this link is different than what is on the videos linked by bam bam.

    From my perspective, it is wrong to beat your wife (except at Monopoly). Doesn’t matter what your religious/spiritual views are. I don’t consider it appropriate, however, to condemn all Muslims or all Christians for the views of those people shown speaking on the videos or writing the advice at the link above.

  133. ” I don’t consider it appropriate, however, to condemn all Muslims or all Christians for the views of those people shown speaking on the videos or writing the advice at the link above.”

    Don,
    Of course it’s not appropriate.Please point to the ideology that comes in 2nd place to that of Islamic Extremism’s abuse of women?

  134. In an effort to dispel myths, stereotypes and anger toward & about the perceived benefits going to the (massive wave of) refugees, a group of Berlin illustrators is using a cartoon-style art. The cartoon-style art to attempt to allay common misconceptions and fears. You can see the cartoon art at their web link below (“Bildkorrektur: Pictures against citizen-Angst”). The website is attracting both good and bad attention. At their website, the intro reads (my loose translation)…Fear is a bad advisor. Our motto for 2016: Have less fear – more knowledge.

    http://bildkorrektur.tumblr.com/

  135. Ralph:
    Wrong, as usual. The essential ingredient is authoritarianism, whether it be Nazism, Neo-Nazisim, Islamonaziism, or any of its variants. Islamopandering and appeasement of Muslims, like pandering to the Nazis and appeasement of the Nazis, will inevitably result in fascism.
    —————————-
    Ralph, there once was a time when the like of you would not find room on this blog, you are just not intelligent enough. Nick felt similarly boxed out, until he made a lot of room by chasing away some of he great people we had here, including at least 4 or 5 female commentators.
    The women that remain are …uh…um…

    You do not know the meaning of authoritarianism, otherwise you’d know that it requires first and foremost you and your like, people who see their viewpoint as the only true/valid one, and willing to upend the established social structure in order to enforce it. Everything you have called for requires first and foremost the denial of people’s natural rights (wink Olly) and necessarily the upending of the constitution you claim to support.

    And since you and Nick claim Islam is incompatible with the west, you are right, for morally, Islam is miles ahead of the west, if by the west you are referring to the same west that created the weapons of mass destruction we use to massacre one another…
    …the same west that tore the globe apart raping and robbing…
    …the same west that caused the death of millions upon millions of people globally…
    …the same west whose insatiable lust for resources and profit leads it to upend the natural order of nature, of societies, polluting everything in its wake, forests, valleys, skies, streams…
    Hiroshima…Nagasaki…the Amazon…Syria…Palestine…Vietnam…Guatemala…Iran…Congo…Africa…Ukraine…
    Are we talking about the same west where is this land, America, where your leaders are robbing you blind while leading you to global destruction, you lemmings? This land where 1100 people were murdered this year alone by police officers? This land where the value of womanhood can’t be determined unless she is naked? This land where to be gravely sick is to become a pauper?
    And, worth repeating, this land where 22,800 violent sex crimes alleged in 2011 alone…yes, in the military!!!!
    And leading cause of death for PREGNANT WOMEN? Yes, Murder!
    I rest my case!

  136. SHELLY; “Our motto for 2016: Have less fear – more knowledge. ”

    WOW It’s very serendipitous that you post this comment right as I’m looking at this:

    Reported violent crime rate in the United States from 1990 to 2014
    http://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

    A crime puzzle: Violent crime declines in America (GRAPH AND IT’S VERY GRAPHIC) from 2010
    http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2010/06/16/a-crime-puzzle-violent-crime-declines-in-america

    If these two graphs don’t ease your mind about violent crime in the U.S. nothing will. Yet the fear campaign grows exponentially upward at the same rate that actual violent crime plummets. Some of us know why that is. Some of know why the powers that be want us disarmed. Do you?

  137. Olly-

    Please tell us how easy it is to prevent a train wreck when we start condemning and mistreating all members of a religion based on the actions of the extremists within that religion.

  138. Now, you want to know about Islam?
    Ask yourself, which holy book, 1400 years ago:
    – made it clear that men and women are equal
    -made it clear that human beings are all equal no matter their means and ethnicity
    – offered divorce rules that protected woman through and after the divorce
    – Offered marital rights to women
    – Offered societal protection to women and children
    – Made it part of faith to care for widows and orphans, and to manumits slaves.
    – Established rights for slaves.
    – Offered the original Geneva convention, that protected prisoners from abuse
    -Offered the original magna carta that gave rights to everyone
    – Gave rights to nature, and to animals
    -Established rules of war that protected non-combatants, civilians and property.
    -That prevented preemptive strikes…
    – That prevented torture or abuses of any kind
    -That made it part of faith to revere previous prophets, all of them?
    -That allowed retribution to no more than the hurt caused…and even then, urges forgiveness?

    Which book?
    I challenge you to bring any holy book, any constitution anywhere, any convention anywhere that is as comprehensive in its aim to protect the natural rights of creation, man, woman, child, animals, trees, nature as the Blessed Quran!

    It should be easy to do, right Ralph? Right Nick? right bambam? Right Olly?
    Anything you reply with that doesn’t address this challenge is an acknowledgement of your deceptive nature and intellectual dishonesty, simply!
    Right:)

  139. Don,
    When ALL deserve condemning or when ALL are mistreated then I will let you know. Until then, your inability to answer my question is noted.

  140. Po, are you OK? I mean, you don´t seem very happy. Did you not realise what a tyranny the US is until you got there? What´s up? I mean this sincerely. Why all the personal attacks? I thought you were way too smart for that kind of thing. You are sinking to the level of the commenters that you have proclaimed to be stupid. when was this ever a blog that was restricted to highly intelligent people? There are dogs commenting on here for crying out loud !

  141. Randy, really, are you back for more?
    Have you already forgotten the long debate we had quite recently about his topic exactly, where I offered statements by doctors on site, by UN personnel on site, but non-combatant Palestinians on site, by Israelis themselves, by IDF personnel themselves, and by Israeli political and religious leaders themselves, all of whom testified to the fact that the IDF was “mowing the lawn”” in gaza by trying to destroy as much as they could, including civilians while claiming they weren’t?

    Yes, the IDF deliberately targeted them, that is no longer in doubt. Unless you are trying to deceive and be deceived.
    Are you saying that a rocket is comparable to a missile fired from a F-15?
    In what world? Is a rock comparable to a tank? A slingshot to a M16?
    What kind of circular logic is this? All of Gaza is a military and political target but Israel is not? How do you explain that?
    Matters little, I acknowledged that targeting civilians is a war crime and terrorism, but in order to refuse that characteristic to the IDF, you had to work extremely hard at making the IDF either justified in killing civilians because Hamas was elected or you refused that they not target civilians, ending up making both arguments simultaneously.
    Which is what karen does by the way.

    Look, if you want to revisit this topic and possibly get a chance at earning back your chips, I’ll gladly give you another go at it. Let us establish the ground rules.
    1-You cannot dismiss the international laws that cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict without offering something else in its place (international law.)
    2-Your unlearned opinion does not suffice to counter the legal brief of an international law scholar.
    3-The view of an Israeli journalist and/or IDF soldier who was present weighs more than yours.
    4-You cannot quote Hamas’s chapter without quoting the Likud party chapter.
    5-You cannot claim Gaza is no longer occupied unless you can prove it logically, legally and physically.
    6- You cannot make Hamas illegal because it has been legitimately elected, and you cannot then conclude that Palestinians civilians are fair game because they elected Hamas.

  142. Olly
    1, January 9, 2016 at 6:26 pm
    Terrific, after 1400 years do you think it’s about time to allow the women to read?
    —————————
    they are reading Olly, and they are making up their own mind that Islam is the answer for them, and they are converting en masse:)
    And the weird thing s that the more islamophobia there is, the more they convert.
    ———–
    “”(CNN)I am a Muslim, but I wasn’t always. I converted to Islam in November 2001, two months after 9/11.

    I was 21 and living in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. It was a bad time to be a Muslim. But after four years of studying, poking and prodding at world religions and their adherents, I decided to take the plunge.

    Questions and answers

    I am the product of a Creole Catholic and an Irish atheist. I grew up Catholic, then was agnostic, now I’m Muslim.

    Theresa Corbin
    Theresa Corbin
    My journey to Islam began when I was about 15 years old in mass, and had questions about my faith. The answers from teachers and clergymen — don’t worry your pretty little head about it — didn’t satisfy me.

    So I did what any red-blooded American would do: the opposite. I worried about it. For many years. I questioned the nature of religion, man, and the universe.

    After questioning everything I was taught to be true and digging through rhetoric, history and dogma, I found out about this strange thing called Islam. I learned that Islam is neither a culture nor a cult, nor could it be represented by one part of the world. I came to realize Islam is a world religion that teaches tolerance, justice and honor, and promotes patience, modesty and balance.

    As I studied the faith, I was surprised many of the tenants resonated with me. I was pleased to find that Islam teaches its adherents to honor all prophets, from Moses to Jesus to Muhammad, all of whom taught mankind to worship one God and to conduct ourselves with higher purpose.

    I was drawn to Islam’s appeal to intellect and heartened by the prophet Muhammad’s quote, “The acquisition of knowledge is compulsory for every Muslim, whether male or female.” I was astounded that science and rationality were embraced by Muslim thinkers like Al-Khawarizmi, who invented algebra; Ibn Firnas, who developed the mechanics of flight before DaVinci; and Al-Zahravi, who is the father of modern surgery.

    Here was a religion telling me to seek out answers and use my intellect to question the world around me.””
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/opinion/muslim-convert-irpt/

  143. @Don de Drain
    1, January 9, 2016 at 5:18 pm
    “If we showed a video of Pat Robertson spouting some of his “wisdom”, should we ascribe his views to all Christians?

    “Better yet, let’s look at this: http://christwire.org/2009/04/is-it-ok-for-a-christian-husband-to-gently-beat-his-wife/

    “I’m wondering how what is said at this link is different than what is on the videos linked by bam bam.”

    Thanks for posting the christwire link.

    Even though both are deplorably patriarchal and advocate physical violence against wives, after watching the Muslim videos and reading the Christian explanation for its being OK to beat your wife, the Muslim advice was actually the less violent of the two, and cited the explicit Koranic prohibition against striking the wife in the face, no matter how gently.

    Of course, the pathetic attempts of a few commenters here to demonize all Muslims, rather than limiting their criticisms to the obviously odious behavior of the Islamic jihadi extremists, say much more about the psychology and morality of the critics than about Muslims, and their silence regarding the common disconnect between religious ideals and their observance by the non-fanatical majority of religion adherents in every religion is also telling.

  144. The end result of Merkel’s mess will be the closing of all borders in Europe. It will be the only way to restore order. Maybe Angela Merkel is the only one who understands her fantasy utopian dream, but even she cannot control the chaos of her own creation.
    Ordnung braucht nur der Dumme, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos.

  145. By the way bambam…I almost offered videos and link featuring Jewish domestic violence…..but I thought better of it. based on my remembering this verse :”” Only argue with the People of the Book in the kindest way–except in the case of those of them who do wrong–saying, ‘We believe in what has been sent down to us and what was sent down to you. Our God and your God are one and we submit to Him.’ (Surat al-Ankabut, 46)
    So I’ll let always let Jewish rabbis speak for me…it would be unfair for me to indulge into the tit for tat of whose religion is worse… especially when you do not know much about yours.

    http://jews-for-allah.org/join-our-team/jews_for_allah_mission_statement/

  146. Riesling
    As I have said many times, how fun would this be if I did not get to slap some idiots around?
    I have other places I head to for logical, rational, poised and respectful discussion (now Frankly/Nick has joined us there)…this ain’t it.
    It once was, but Nick and his ilk chased great people away.
    I do this when I can’t head to the gym, release some steam…and make sure the bigoted don’t have the closed cipher to indulge.

    By the way, who is a greater patriot, the one hurt by what the government does in our name and fights against it or the one who is complicit and distracted?
    The one who says let’s stop waging war on people or the one yelling support our troops?

  147. John, I agree with you, but what is the solution? Perhaps some organization would be willing to subsidize women who want to bear and raise children rather than work? That’s the only solution that I can see. If a single or married woman has to work, she’s going to have to limit the number of children she has. Childcare costs as much or more than most women earn. Some governments do subsidize child rearing. I heard that the government of Finland pays women enough that they don’t have to work if they have a child younger than 5. But Finland spends its tax money on its own people, not stupid foreign entanglements. So that is never going to happen in the U.S. Unless some private organizations are willing to subsidize child-rearing, the birth rate among whites will stay what it is. But I still maintain that materialism among whites has a lot to do with it. I lived in a largely Hispanic immigrant neighborhood when I was in grad school. It was totally blue-collar. The men worked in the building trades and the women stayed home. The families all had 4-5 kids in small, older homes that whites wouldn’t want. And one vehicle per family – usually a work truck for the husband. They lived a working class lifestyle that whites had in the 1940s and 50s, but now reject in favor of less children and more material items.

  148. po – as usual you have deflected. You have talked about many things but not what authoritarianism is.

    BTW, I remember when you were a very small frog in our small pond. You have only gotten slightly larger, not more respected.

  149. Paul, since you seem to know exactly what my answer ought to be…how about your offer it?
    Ralph ain’t complaining…but you, who posed no question, was not involved in this discussion, get to say that he ain’t satisfied?!!!

    Am I supposed to teach a class on authoritarianism now?

  150. You have stated that you are an authority on what is authoritarianism. You must be able to define it. Else you are a hypocrite.

  151. Po, you demonstrate again why you have zero credibility and are only capable of making feckless irrelevant jejune “arguments.” Do you realize how absurd you sound to any thinking person when you attempt to “argue” that Islam is superior to civilization? The reality of Islam is clear to any thinking person, or even just a feeling person. http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/new-video-afghan-woman-barbarically-lynched-after-being-falsely-accused.

    But even though you consider the facts and overwhelming evidence about Islam as something to be ignored, let me encapsulate for you again why Islam is incompatible with anyone who favors freedom, liberty, and civilization. It’s a fact that no Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in the fields that most directly benefit humanity — i.e., science, medicine, and economics — in nearly two decades. And even before then, they seldom won any of those prizes. Yet Muslims represent more than 25% of the world’s population, and there are many Muslim billionaires and multimillionaires, but they don’t spend their money helping to advance science, medicine, or to do anything remotely benefiting humanity. They do, however, spend plenty of money funding Islamic terrorism worldwide.

    In stark contrast, 75% of those Nobel Prizes are won by Christians and atheists, while Jewish people win an astonishing 25% of those awards, even though Jews represent less than 0.2% of the world’s population. This is probably another reason that the Muslims hate the Jewish people and they train their children in such hatred from birth. Jews have traditionally been a powerful force in advancing freedom, liberty, and civilization, as that is the environment they most thrive in. Thus, it was no surprise that when the experiment in freedom that came to be called America first began, Jews such as Hyam Solomon were among those who financed the budding experiment.

    And there also many billionaire and multimillionaire Christians and Jews, but unlike their Muslim counterparts, they give much of their money to causes that benefit humanity, Simply look at all of the world’s great cultural and health institutions and creations that make our world a better place to live in, and then look at the individuals that funded them to make them possible.

    But ignore these facts, Po. I wouldn’t expect any less of you. But maybe you tell us some lies about so-called Muslim “contributions” from centuries ago to support your Islamonazi cause? You might fool some leftist dupes who enjoy reading worthless, irrelevant tripe that is your particular “forte.”

  152. Let it be noted that I have never posted an anti-Islamic post nor will I ever. We all know who said “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” We could include ‘not judged by their religion…” Mohammad’s teachings were benevolent indeed but like ALL religious teachings the men on whom the religions are based would be appalled at how their message of divine conscience and love have been subverted and perverted. Still, you can’t deny the fact that there are people who take great comfort in their religious beliefs and live as good and just a life as they can.

  153. Hildegard, you are deluded if you truly “think” that Mohammad’s teachings “were benevolent.” Violent, yes, but not benevolent by any stretch of perverse “reasoning.” Islam is a simply a cult founded by a pedophile and a mass murderer. Its adherents today that you read about every day — assuming you actually read and pay attention to the news, which covers but a small fraction of Islamic “activities” — are simply following the teachings of the Islamic cult.

  154. And finally, I would like any Islamopanderers or actual Islamonazis here to explain why no Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in the fields of science, medicine, or economics, even they represent more than 25% of the world’s population and there are quite a few members of the cult that are billionaires and multimillionaires who could easily fund educational, cultural, and scientific endeavors if they were not so inclined to spend their money on funding Islamoterrorism worldwide. The fact is Islamopanderers and Islamonazis cannot — or rather — will not explain this irrefutable fact. And that is because the only rational explanation is that the cult of Islam and civilization are simply incompatible.

  155. Ralph – Yes, I would agree with your incompatibility conclusion. This Turkish author recognized this dilemma back in 2013 when he wrote the following: “As news of fundamentalists’ actions spread across the world, Westerners have begun to fear the effect of these fundamentalists in their own societies. Especially in Europe, they are mostly worried about immigration from Islamic countries and the rising number of fundamentalist Muslims in their societies. It is obvious that some Western politicians have used the fear of Islam and encouraged Islamophobia in order to gain political power, but this does not hide the reality that fundamentalist Islamist ideology is incompatible with the values of Europe and U.S. It looks that this century will be a battle ground for the clash of these two worlds and two ideologies.”
    http://www.diplomaticourier.com/is-islam-incompatible-with-western-values/

  156. @Ralph Adamo
    1, January 9, 2016 at 11:57 pm
    “Islam is a simply a cult founded by a pedophile and a mass murderer. Its adherents today that you read about every day — assuming you actually read and pay attention to the news, which covers but a small fraction of Islamic ‘activities’ — are simply following the teachings of the Islamic cult.”

    And what do you propose as “civilization’s” proper response to the existence of this “pedophilic, mass murdering cult” of 1.6 billion people, RA?

  157. If anything can be learned from this particular situation in Germany, it is that the leader of a democracy should not make a major decision based on emotion.

  158. Ken asks: “And what do you propose as “civilization’s” proper response to the existence of this “pedophilic, mass murdering cult” of 1.6 billion people, RA?”

    First, civilized people must recognize that Islam isn’t a race or a religion. It is a cult and an ideology — like Naziism, and, in fact, Islam has so much in common with that other cult that the two cults were virtually joined at the hip during WW II.

    The answer for civilized nations, or those who aspire to be civilized, is to severely limit immigration of practitioners of the cult of Islam, or, ideally, to cut it off altogether. Further, any attempts by existing practitioners within civilized nations to Islamize any aspect of civilized society must be prohibited. Yes, they should have free speech, much as Nazis enjoy free speech in the USA. But if any of them engage in groups or organizations promoting terrorism, they should be immediately deported.

    Another key part of the answer is that major governments of civilized nations should not be directly or indirectly providing any aid whatsoever to Islamic nations. For example, the USA has been propping up the Saudis for scores of years. At one time, there was some rationale for this. The USA needed the Saudi’s oil. But that is no longer the case today. In fact, the world would benefit with a lot less Saudi oil, as the Saudis have been “paying back” the USA for its military support of the Saudis by dumping massive amounts of oil on the market with the goal of destroying the American oil entrepreneurs and the USA’s economy. Thus, all military and other support for the Saudis should be cut off completely, and other Islamic nations should be encouraged to “take them out,” as Iraq once attempted to do. (Bush, like Obama, are friends of the Saudis and enemies of America, and so, they have been following the opposite strategy to what I propose.) Because Islam is inherently barbaric and bellicose, civilized nations should do what they can to encourage them to direct their inherent Islamic natures against each other to the extent possible.

  159. Ralph Adamo; “Hildegard, you are deluded if you truly “think” that Mohammad’s teachings “were benevolent.”

    Are you assuming that the Koran reflects Mohammad’s true teaching? Do you assume the Bible reflects Jesus’ true teaching? Do you assume the teachings of Buddha are contained in a book used by most Buddhists? My opinion…those books contain almost NONE of the true teachings of these enlightened men. If you look long and hard you may find their true teachings, but not there. Otherwise the various Bibles of these “great” religions are pure rubbish.

    At best they may be historical reference books and at worst vile fictions spewed from the minds of the power possessors who created them for purposes of building empires and controlling the masses through fear. From what I’ve learned, I believe Mohammad, Moses, Jesus, Buddha, etc. would be appalled at what’s being taught in their names. Some food for thought:

    http://www.absolutoracle.com/SufiMaster/Articles2/sufismBeyondIslam%20.htm

    ” Sufism Beyond Islam by Osho

    Once a learned Mohammedan came to me and asked, ‘You are not a Mohammedan, then why do you speak on Sufism?’ I told him, ‘I am not a Mohammedan, obviously, but I am a Sufi all the same.’

    A Sufi need not be a Mohammedan. A Sufi can exist anywhere, in any form – because Sufism is the essential core of all religions. It has nothing to do with Islam in particular. Sufism can exist without Islam; Islam cannot exist without Sufism. Without Sufism, Islam is a corpse. Only with Sufism does it become alive.

    Whenever a religion is alive it is because of Sufism. Sufism simply means a love affair with God, with the ultimate, a love affair with the whole. It means that one is ready to dissolve into the whole, that one is ready to invite the whole to come into one’s heart. It knows no formality. It is not confined by any dogma, doctrine, creed or church. Christ is a Sufi, so is Mohammed. Krishna is a Sufi, so is Buddha. This is the first thing I would like you to remember: that Sufism is the innermost core – as Zen is, as Hassidism is. These are only different names of the same ultimate relationship with God.”

  160. Paul, I thought I’d repost the same comment I offered last time you lied and put your words in my mouth:
    ————
    Paul, I used to take your statements at face value until you showed me that, yes, one can pretty much make any claim one wants and leave it up to the accused to disprove them.
    Just like evidence of non-Muslim terrorism is a possible evidence of Muslim terrorism, your no longer teaching is a possible evidence of your having been fired due to your inability to discern facts from inventions:)

  161. Hdegard. ….If you feel that the New Testament “does not accurately reflect Jesus’ teachings” , then what source(s) DO you recommend?

  162. Ralph, I can see that you are rehashing the same idiocies you keep spewing every single time.
    So let me offer the same replies I used before to shut you up, hoping it will do the trick again:
    ————————————

    Come on, Ralph, I can’t win with you man.
    Damned when we do, damned when we don’t…
    If the issue is that Islam is antithetic to civilization, how do you explain that everything that western civilization is built upon, was borrowed from islamic civilization? BAM! BAM!
    While you recover from that one, let me ask you, what makes one a Muslim?
    Please answer, what makes one a muslim?
    Please answer, what makes one a muslim?
    Please answer, what makes one a muslim?
    Please answer, what makes one a muslim?
    Han? Han?

    (Just making sure you don’t miss that question.)

    I noticed how you were quite specific with the type of Nobel prizes you mention…the trope used to be that Muslims have not won nobel prizes, now it is, Muslims have not won Nobel prizes in ….
    Yep, islam is violent, yet the last few nobel peace prizes were given to Muslims!
    You knew that, hence the framing the nobel peace prize thus :”the real Nobel Prizes benefiting mankind, not the subjective, political ones”…hahahaha… i see you coming miles away…
    Meanwhile you are using the Nobel prize as the differentiating standard WHILE at the same time undermining it.
    You are giving us a whiplash!

    I see you differentiate between christian, Jews, atheists and Muslims. Accordingly, I am assuming your standard is religious.
    If one is a Christian arab, or a jewish arab, where do they fit in your scheme.
    If one is a white scientist who converted to Islam, how does he fit into your scheme?
    So if Ben carson were Muslim, he could not be a neuroscientist?

    Where did you go to school? Fox news autodidact?
    Or were you, by any chance, one of Paul’s students? That would explain A LOT!

  163. Additionally, it is FASCINATING to me that people keep speaking on a book they NEVER read!
    Hilde, I appreciate the sentiments but please don”t follow Ralph on that slippery path. Muhamad was the spirit of the Quran:Mercy!
    Just as Jesus was the spirit of the real Gospel, not the bible which isn’t original.

    So in the spirit of rehashing arguments, another batch reheated for Ralph’s consumption: Thanks for not using the word ultrasubcretin today.
    ———————————–
    po
    1, December 11, 2015 at 9:17 pm
    What is it about these commentators that they keep asking questions but refuse to answer one?

    Ralph, It is hard to refute facts when they conflate all kinds of disparate standards. I answered every one of your points however, you have yet to address any of mine. Please answer these questions below to give us a better insight into what your argument is.

    1- Is islam a religion, an ethnicity, a culture, a location?
    Who do we mean when we talk about Muslims (yes, Muslims are the adherents of Islam)?

    2- Does the Nobel prize celebrate a religious accomplishment? An ethnic one? A national one?

    3- What happens to a Jewish neuroscientist when he converts to islam?

    4-Is Ben Carson a lesser neuroscientist because he is not a white scientist?

    5- Asian and Latinos have won very few nobel prizes, does that mean they are inferior to white, Christian and Jewish people? Even when they are Christian?

    6- According to your standard, Buddhists are really waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay at the bottom of all people, i doubt they have won even one single nobel prize.
    So lazy, these buddhists!

    7- Are you saying the nobel prize is an objective process? What, is it computerized? No? A group of people pick their nominees and they vote on it?
    So each one of them picks the nominee they like? Subjectively?
    No way!!

    8- Where did you find the word #ultrasubcretin?
    I have never heard anyone use it…perhaps because everyone is smart enough NOT to use it!
    What, did you pick it up at recess? Someone called you that?
    Ultra suggests waay above standard …
    Sub suggests waay below standard…
    Cretin is French for, well, you…
    Ultra and sub cancel each other out
    Leaving cretin, alone, lonely…you
    So, basically, you called me…YOU… twice…? Weird!

  164. Ralph/Olly/Bambam, it gives me great pleasure to state that the more you spew your hatred, the more people become curious enough to read the Quran and end up converting to Islam.
    Fastest growing religion in the world…
    Most diverse religion in the world…
    White, western women are converting to Islam in HUUUUUUUUGE numbers…I wonder why?
    Even Catholic priests, Olly! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHBY2nGxJS8
    And then another priest testifying on Islam…Ralph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2UlXHvKvkc

    Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe:)

  165. And then I am gonna recruit a Jewish woman scholar to testify on behalf of Islam better than I could.

    And then this rabbi calling Muslims blessed.

  166. Additionally, we must have forgotten about this:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/70000-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-terrorism-15-lakh-Muslims-support-it/articleshow/50100656.cms

    and then this:

    http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com/

    1- It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas without all the necessary learning requirements. Even
    then fatwas must follow Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also
    forbidden to cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling
    without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that matter. In other
    words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherrypick’
    Qur’anic verses for legal arguments without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.
    2- It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic
    language.
    3- It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic
    sciences.
    4- It is permissible in Islam [for scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of
    religion that all Muslims must know.
    5- It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.
    6- It is forbidden in Islam to kill the innocent.
    7- It is forbidden in Islam to kill emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to
    kill journalists and aid workers.
    8- Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose
    and without the right rules of conduct.
    9- It is forbidden in Islam to declare people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares
    disbelief.
    10- It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or any ‘People of the
    Scripture’.
    11- It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.
    12- The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished by universal consensus.
    13- It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.
    14- It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.
    15- It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.
    16- It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct
    procedures that ensure justice and mercy.
    17- It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.
    18- It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.
    19- It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God .
    20- It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets and Companions.
    21- Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear disbelief by the ruler
    and not allowing people to pray.
    22- It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from all Muslims.
    23- Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.
    24- After the death of the Prophet , Islam does not require anyone to emigrate anywhere.

  167. As I correctly anticipated, po, the Islamonazi adherent, is only capable of gabbling blatherskite. He cannot explain the failure of practitioners of Islam to do anything of long-term benefit for humanity. Thus, he obsessively must leave a copious trail of verbal defecation droppings to smell up this website.

    po — like all Islamopanders and Islamonazis –cannot explain why no Muslim has won a Nobel Prize in the fields of science, medicine, or economics, even though they represent more than 25% of the world’s population and there are quite a few members of the cult that are billionaires and multimillionaires who could easily fund educational, cultural, and scientific endeavors if they were not so inclined to spend their money on funding Islamoterrorism worldwide.

    But like all Islamopanders and Islamonazis, in his dark heart he knows the truth: the cult of Islam and civilization are simply incompatible. Of course, such prevaricators like po aren’t ever going to fess up to the truth. Deception is as dear to them as breathing.

  168. In addition to the “Gnostic gospels” cited above, there are probably missing interviews and press conferences that Jesus gave to correct misconcetions/ misrepresentations in the New Testament.

  169. Ralph, I left up to scholars and learned people, including rabbis and priests to reveal your ignorance and rabid hatred.
    It is sufficient that every day, more and more people embrace that cult and find happiness in it.
    1400 years old and growing every day…whites, blacks, asians, native Americans, Hispanics, men, women, young and old…
    Millions of enemies have come and gone, billions of words were written attacking it, by people MUCH smarter than you, all of them gone, all of Islam still around, growing. and growing, and growing…:)
    You’ll be gone too, and others will come and go…and still…

  170. Tom Nash “Hdegard. ….If you feel that the New Testament “does not accurately reflect Jesus’ teachings” , then what source(s) DO you recommend?”

    I’m in the process of researching that very subject. I’ve read from reliable sources that the Brotherhood of the Essenes have preserved Jesus’ original teachings. Edgar Cayce mentions them here:
    Edgar Cayce Predictions & Cosolargy
    http://cosolargy.org/edgar-cayce-predictions-cosolargy/

    There are great spiritual works that I feel reflect Christ Consciousness such as The Book of Mirdad
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1907486402?*Version*=1&*entries*=0

    Also in another comment….

  171. Islam is indeed growing. Like any cancer does, left alone to do so.
    ——————-

    A professor of sociology is lecturing about trends regarding the decline of religion in the world, and is about to conclude before taking questions. “By my calculations, I estimate that religion will virtually disappear from the civilized world by the year 2155,” the professor says. “These may be distressing conclusions for many, but we must be realistic about where things are headed and the consequences of such developments for civilization,” the professor summarizes. “Questions?”

    A young man in the back of the lecture hall raises his hand.

    The professor acknowledges him. “Yes, Abdul — What’s your question?”

    “But professor, how can you say that religion will virtually disappear in the world? Islam is the fastest growing religion today its adherents represent 25% of the population, and even faster growth is being projected into the decades to come,” Abdul explains.

    “Yes, Abdul, that’s true, but I was referring strictly to the civilized world.”

  172. “Osho”, AKA Rajneesh, probably made a bigger impression on Antelope Oregon than elsewhere.
    If I’m mixing up the holy man with the Rolls Royces from the 1980s who attempted to set up the theocracy in rural Oregon, I’ll stand corrected.

  173. Two suspects have now been arrested in Koeln. One is from Morocco; the other is from Tunisia. The Moroccan was known to the police as a pickpocket. Inference: they are not recent immigrants to Germany but have been in that country or in the EU before the big stream of Syrian refugees arrived. In Europe Moroccans are known to be major foreign troublemakers.
    If that trend continues for the remainder of the 18 Muslim suspects then it might become clear that this vile behavior was done by a bunch of hoodlums that have been in Germany for many years. Yes, that includes Germans.

  174. Po,
    You’ve put up a wonderful defense of your religion. You cite the growing number of people converting to Islam. At what point should a convert be expected to understand Islam is for the spiritual life and therefore subordinate to secular law? How in fact do those “qualified” to teach Islam to their followers ensure Muslims practicing their religion in countries governed by secular law stay true to their faith AND keep the secular law as the supreme law of the land?

  175. There is a lot of talk about the rate of conversion to Islam throughout the world. People are adherents of this or that religion because they are born to it or because they need to believe in some god or gods and monotheism is simpler and easier to keep track. It would be interesting to see how many of these converts to Islam are coming from the other two main monotheistic religions: Christianity and Judaism and how many are simply coming out of the chaos of polytheistic religions or the forced absence of religion as is found in places like China. Breeding like rabbits might also be a factor.

    Throughout the past century or two it would seem to me that the greatest conversion is to be found in those that are putting religion and religious beliefs behind rational thought and secular contexts. It would be interesting to compare all this conversion to Islam with the rate of conversion to atheism and/or agnosticism, or more more tellingly, those that simply don’t give a sh*t.

  176. “It would be interesting to compare all this conversion to Islam with the rate of conversion to atheism and/or agnosticism, or more more tellingly, those that simply don’t give a sh*t.”

    isaac,
    Oh, I think the rise of “don’t give a sh*t” will certainly explain the simultaneous rise of our secular institutions of government willingness to accommodate that apathy. As for being a “rational” departure from religion, that theory has yet to bear any fruit. At least as is reflected in the degeneracy of our culture and the rise of the administrative state.

  177. UPDATE*

    Cologne police now say the number of reported attacks has risen to 516, including 40% relating to sexual assault.

    Logic alone would place the number of suspects in the thousands.

  178. Since it is illegal and a crime in most Muslim countries to leave Islam, and atheism is a crime, I would say that the figures for Islam are more than likely inflated. So if an atheist is born into Islam, he will be counted as Muslim no matter what. The same holds true for those who convert from Islam to Christianity or some other non-Islamic religion. Then there is the problem that stats do not take into account all the various sects of Islam, so that in some countries such as Saudi Arabia, they would not count Shias as being Muslim.

  179. Tom Nash “If I’m mixing up the holy man with the Rolls Royces from the 1980s who attempted to set up the theocracy in rural Oregon, I’ll stand corrected.”

    Congratulations, you’ve been indoctrinated by main stream media sound bites and because of it, I’m guessing the odds are you won’t bother to take the time to study his words and reap benefit. Osho is spiritually and certainly politically incorrect. He used jokes to make points, to jolt people. He had a wonderful sense of humor. His focus is; sing, dance, celebrate, laugh, but don’t be stupid. A Theocracy? That would make him laugh out loud.

    I was just waiting for the Rolls Royce comment.

    http://www.oshoworld.com/biography/innercontent.asp?FileName=biography8/08-20-rolls.txt

    “Why do you like your Rolls Royces so much?
    I have tried all kinds of cars; and even Rolls Royce has many types and I have tried them too. Their best is the Corniche, but it doesn’t suit me. It is a question of my back. I need a certain kind of chair—I use only this chair. It has been made by my sannyasins exactly to give support to my back, because doctors have said that they cannot do anything more.

    Experts from England were called to India. They tried hard, and they said, “It is impossible. You will have to live with it.” It was just a coincidence that one of the models of Rolls Royce, Silver Spur, suited me. The driver’s seat in that car fits perfectly, gives me no trouble. Naturally, my people love….

    They don’t belong to me, those cars—nothing belongs to me. I am the poorest man in the whole world, living the richest life possible. My people love me; they want to do something for me. All those cars belong to the commune. They have made them available to me for one hour each day. I don’t know which car they are bringing, but one thing is certain, that I can be comfortable only in a Silver Spur. And they love me so much that they are trying to have three hundred and sixty-five Rolls Royces, one for every day. And I say, “Why not? A great idea!”…

    They have arranged ninety Rolls Royces, and I know they will be able to manage three hundred and sixty-five.

    People are very much interested in your Rolls Royces. What do You want to prove with this, so many cars and so much luxury around You?

    Why are people concerned? Then certainly they need it; then more Rolls Royces will be here. Until they stop asking me, more and more Rolls Royces are going to be here. Now it has to be seen that it is a challenge: the day nobody asks me about Rolls Royces, they will not be coming.”

    It never hurts to hear the other side of the story….hmmmm?

  180. Tom Nash; “The mass posioning in the Dalles Oregon in the early 1980s gave “”OSHO’S ASHRAM” kind of a bad name.”

    This link is a summary of his history from 1931 to his death in 1990. The “other side of the story” is readily available but most people take the sound bites offered by main sewer media as all the education they need to form opinions and spread them far and wide, even though most of us know at least subconsciously that big media’s focus is to spread lies, fear, hate…negativity. That’s what gets the ratings…hmmm?

    http://www.oshoworld.com/biography/briefbio.asp

    “Osho is one of the best-known and most provocative spiritual teachers of our time. The Sunday Times has named him one of the “1,000 makers of the twentieth century”; the novelist Tom Robbins has called him “the most dangerous man since Jesus Christ”. Nearly two decades after his death in 1990, the influence of his teachings continues to grow, reaching seekers around the world.”

    Living on Your Own Terms: What Is Real Rebellion?
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_st_relevancerank?keywords=osho+books&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Aosho+books&qid=1452453094&sort=relevancerank

  181. Here is a partial answer, Isaac.
    ———————
    http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/12/25/460797744/a-religious-forecast-for-2050-atheism-is-down-islam-is-rising
    By the end of the century, Muslims could outnumber Christians for the first time in history, according to a report released by the Pew Research Center.

    “Another way of thinking about it is Christianity had a seven-century head-start on Islam, and Islam is finally catching up,” says Alan Cooperman, the director of religion research at Pew.

    Christianity is currently the world’s largest religion, making up a third of the world’s population with 2.2 billion adherents. Pew research shows that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. The religious group will make up 30 percent of the world’s population by 2050, compared to just 23 percent of the population in 2010. That means the number of Muslims in the world will nearly equal the number of Christians by 2050.

    If Islam’s growth spurt continues, Pew data shows, Muslims could outnumber Christians soon after the year 2070.

    That’s not to say that the total number of Christians is decreasing; Christianity’s growth rate is just not as fast as Islam’s. While the number of Christians will increase from about 2.1 billion to 2.9 billion by 2050, Muslims will jump from 1.6 billion to 2.8 billion.

    This growth has to do with the relatively young age of the Muslim population as well as high fertility rates. Other religious groups have aging populations. Among Buddhists, for example, half of adherents are older than 30 and​ the average birth rate is 1.6 children. By contrast, in 2010, a third of the Muslim population was under 15. What’s more, each Muslim woman has an average of 3.1 children, while the average for Christian women is 2.7.

    The Pew research revealed two other interesting shifts in world religious perspectives, Cooperman says.

    Atheists, agnostics and those who do not affiliate with religion will make up a smaller percentage of the world’s total population by 2050 — even though the group is growing in the U.S. and Europe. The decline is primarily because those who are unaffiliated religiously have low fertility rates, with women bearing an average of 1.7 children in their lifetime.

    Between now and 2050, the hub of Christianity will also shift — from Europe to sub-Saharan Africa. As of 2010, the majority of the Christian population — 25.5 percent — lived in Europe, but sub-Saharan Africa will become home to nearly 40 percent of the world’s Christians by 2050. Fertility rates are also behind this change. Christians living in sub-Saharan African have the highest fertility rates among Christians worldwide: Each woman has, on average, 4.4 children.​

    Cooperman emphasizes that a lot could change between now and 2050.

    “We’re not saying that this will happen; it’s if current patterns and trends continue,” Cooperman says. “We do not know what’s going to happen in the future. There could be war, revolution, famine, disease. These are things no one can predict and that could change the nu

  182. Good point, Randy…I have been trying to get a definition of Muslims for quite a bit now but seem to get no interest from the usually interested parties.
    You’d think the first step of any discussion is framing the terms…
    No one seems interested, OnlyChristianNaturalRights Olly, Ralph, Nick, bambam…oddly enough, those who yet love to talk about Muslims this Muslims that…:)

  183. randyjet
    Since it is illegal and a crime in most Muslim countries to leave Islam, and atheism is a crime,
    ————————–
    Let’s start here, randy, what is a muslim country? By constitution or majority population?
    Either way challenges your claim that “most muslim countries…””

  184. Then again, aren’t we a theocracy anyway?
    Isn’t the bible our constitution…?
    Activist judge anyone :
    ——————————–
    METAIRIE, La. (AP) — Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said Saturday the idea of religious neutrality is not grounded in the country’s constitutional traditions and that God has been good to the U.S. exactly because Americans honor him.

    Scalia was speaking at a Catholic high school in the New Orleans suburb of Metairie, Louisiana. Scalia, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan in 1986 is the court’s longest serving justice. He has consistently been one of the court’s more conservative members.

    He told the audience at Archbishop Rummel High School that there is “no place” in the country’s constitutional traditions for the idea that the state must be neutral between religion and its absence.

    “To tell you the truth there is no place for that in our constitutional tradition. Where did that come from?” he said. “To be sure, you can’t favor one denomination over another but can’t favor religion over non-religion?”

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    He also said there is “nothing wrong” with the idea of presidents and others invoking God in speeches. He said God has been good to America because Americans have honored him.

  185. Ralph Adamo; I would like you to read Osho’s interaction with Mohammedans posted above and get your opinion. I don’t know how typical his interactions were but the outcome of them is worrying.

  186. Anyone interested in the activities of Bagwhan Shree Rajneesh, and his disciples, can google the 1984 poisoning of hundreds of residents of The Dalles, Oregon.
    I can understand why somebody would try to palm off his name as “Osho”, given his credibility issues.

  187. po This is a simple question and i am amazed you cannot understand simple things. The US IS a nation made up of mainly Christians. It is NOT legally a Christian nation, while Britain IS both legally and mainly a Christian nation with the Queen as head of state AND church.

  188. For me a Muslim country is one whose supreme law of the land is Islamic and not secular. Since securing the natural rights of all its citizens equally is the primary purpose for ANY government; the further away from this purpose the government functions the more extreme is their view of Islam.

    There you go Po. There is an operational definition you can use whenever I say Muslim country. It’s not open for debate because it is MY definition. If you don’t like it then you provide your own so that I know what your frame of reference is. So now perhaps your dodging will cease. I won’t be holding my breath.

    As you and I both know, the number of believers of a given religion is insignificant if those same believers place the security of natural rights for all above the teachings of their faith. Is that possible with Islam without violating its teachings?

  189. Thanks for the reply, Randy, one good thing about you is that you don’t shy away from answering a question even when it will end up dooming you.
    Idiotic,tactically, but integre, morally and intellectually.
    Many here could learn from you.

    Your reply suggests a distinction of note between a legally Christian country and a culturally Christian country.
    Based on that then, your claim that atheism and /or apostasy is illegal is fundamentally wrong. It can ONLY be illegal under an legal framework, not a cultural one.
    Which limits the number of “Muslim”” countries where apostasy and atheism is illegal to perhaps 10? (which is too many, I give you, but that ain’t the point, and by illegal it may mean various things)
    Now if we add up only majority muslim countries around the world, we may get over 50…which reveals your argument as false.

    (By the way, bambam, Nick, ralph, Karen, this is how you develop an argument, based on facts and logic…)

  190. Olly
    1, January 10, 2016 at 3:29 pm
    For me a Muslim country is one whose supreme law of the land is Islamic and not secular. Since securing the natural rights of all its citizens equally is the primary purpose for ANY government; the further away from this purpose the government functions the more extreme is their view of Islam.
    —————————————–
    I don’t disagree with either your definition and its conclusion, Olly.
    Now lets take it a step further and identify such countries.

    Republics: Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Pakistan
    Monarchies/Sultanates/Emirates: UAE, S. Arabia, Jordan, Qatar Sultanate of Brunei, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman,Bahrain, Kuwait.
    Among those, Malaysia and Morocco are known as democracies.

    Our conclusion is that most muslims do not live under an islamic law.
    Let me repeat that:
    MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT LIVE UNDER AN ISLAMIC LAW.
    MOST MUSLIMS LIVE UNDER SOME FORM OF DEMOCRACY.
    Now, when you speak of the rest of Muslimhood, more than 60%, I think, of the numbers, under the characteristics of the worse elements of that list…is that just ignorance or hypocrisy?

  191. Olly says:
    As you and I both know, the number of believers of a given religion is insignificant if those same believers place the security of natural rights for all above the teachings of their faith. Is that possible with Islam without violating its teachings?
    ———————–
    As I keep saying, Olly, unfortunately, the security of Christian Americans deems that other faiths should not have the exercise and security of their natural rights.
    Americans place a higher priority on preserving the religious freedom of Christians than for other faith groups, ranking Muslims as the least deserving of the protections, according to a new survey.

    Solid majorities said it was extremely or very important for the U.S. to uphold religious freedom in general. However, the percentages varied dramatically when respondents were asked about specific faith traditions, according to a poll by The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

    Eighty-two percent said religious liberty protections were important for Christians, compared with 61 percent who said the same for Muslims. About seven in 10 said preserving Jews’ religious freedom was important, while 67 percent said so of Mormons. People who identified with no religion were ranked about even with Muslims in needing support to live out their beliefs.
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765682951/AP-NORC-Poll–Religious-rights-most-vital-for-US-Christians.html?pg=all

    In light of that, Olly, your claim to support natural rights is just an empty statement, practically, it means absolutely nothing.

    As to whether “”Is that possible with Islam without violating its teachings?””, read the quran, read the life of the Prophet, read the letter to baghdadi I posted above…do your readings,watch this http://www.loonwatch.com/2016/01/dalia-mogahed-on-the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah/… you’ll see that the WHOLE premise of the Quran is to allow for the security of one’s natural rights, whomever you are and wherever you are.If people can be Muslim while American, and have been so since the slaves landed on these shores, and have served us in any capacity one can imagine, including the Congress, military and the White house (yes, Obama is a secret Muslim, right Paul), then to question whether the two are compatible is again either ignorant or deceptive.

  192. Po – I come to this blog for an interesting exchange of ideas and opinions. One can learn a lot from the professor’s and guest bloggers’ posts and the resulting comments. If we all worried about building a logical argument it would get really boring really fast. These are comments, not arguments. It’ s a blog, not law school.

  193. OK. Try this:

    Tin,

    In Anteglobalization America, men could afford their wives and families. America enjoyed global hegemony post-WWII. Somebody changed that, deliberately. Profits increased for corporations while wages and salaries stay the same and increase around the world. America has been berry berry god for the rest of the world. That’s fair but where does it lead? Americans used to make cars and build houses. Globalization, including domestic growth, has been achieved by paying the price of societal suicide. American, Germans, Europeans, etc. have no vision of the long term. Understandably, women have chosen careers over childbirth. The industrial future looks promising but there won’t be any Americans, Germans, Europeans, etc. there to enjoy it. The problem with women is that they have shirked they natural duties to their nations. Women don’t realize that there won’t be any careers if there aren’t any babies/people. Nations with diminishing birthrates will be subsumed by nations with high birthrates.

    Looks like evolutionary and intellectual progress leads to the demise of the civilization through a birthrate in a “death spiral.”

    To be sure, we don’t have to worry about that now.

    And that is precisely the point.

    It’s funny. Lincoln killed 1 million Americans and infused America with morality and minorities. Was that the “vision” thing? American women are “free, free at last” with great affirmative action, artificial “careers as they cause Americans to vanish into extinction through a birthrate that is in a “death spiral.”

    I’m not complaining. There are a couple of things I’d like to see happen though.

    1. Because it already prevails in America, remove the Preamble, Constitution and Bill of Rights and the histories and references to the genius American Founders, and formally replace them all with the Communist Manifesto including:

    Central Planning
    Control of the Means of Production
    Social Engineering
    Redistribution of Wealth

    2. Recognize that feminization will lead to extinction.

    The promotion of artificial, affirmative action careers and the feminization agenda leads inexorably to a birthrate that enters a “death spiral” and the dilution and extinction of American, European and/or Western populations and nations.

  194. John “The promotion of artificial, affirmative action careers and the feminization agenda leads inexorably to a birthrate that enters a “death spiral” and the dilution and extinction of American, European and/or Western populations and nations.”

    To the demise of all of us the feminist agenda is anti-feminine. Feminism is making men out of women and women out of men. It’s SICK and unnatural. If a woman is more naturally masculine then so be it. If a man is more naturally feminine; not a problem. But to have a highly funded PUSH to make women more masculine and men more feminine is anti-nature and we’re all suffering for it, especially the children who no longer have healthy masculine and feminine role models.

    Feminism Was Created To Destabilize Society, Tax Women and set up the NWO – Aaron Russo

  195. po – I know this is going to bother you, but I worked as a fact-checker for the world’s largest textbook manufacturer. Other than that, I am retired, that is why I no longer teach.

  196. po – if you kept up with your religious history lessons you would know that the alternative gospels were probably written about 400 AD and are Gnostic gospels.

  197. Riesling,

    “These are comments, not arguments. It’ s a blog, not law school.”

    Seems like you’re familiar with law school. Can I ask you this? Why were all Presidents before

    Obama “natural born citizens” that were “…born in the country of parents who are citizens” as defined in

    the Law of Nations, the authority of which is acknowledged in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution?

    Do they teach the Law of Nations in law school? Seems like they would since George Washington and John

    Jay, in their letter of 1786, precisely and deliberately raised the presidential requirement from “citizen”

    to “natural born citizen” to place a “strong check” against foreign allegiances by the commander-in-chief.

    Do they teach that the Law of Nations was used as a legal text and reference by lawyers in Europe and

    America including the Framers.

    Many people throughout history think the American Founders were intelligent people, yet everyone seems to

    doubt the source of the phrase “natural born citizen.”

    Funny. It’s right there in the Law of Nations. Since the American Founders all had copies and access to the

    Law of Nations, do they teach in law school that the Founders actually read the Law of Nations?

    Some say that “natural born citizen” is not “defined” in the Constitution but none of the other words are

    either. Do they teach that in law school?

    It’s funny, also, that they referred to the Law of Nations in Article 1, Section 8 and not to the “laws of

    nations,” plural, as if they were discussing the Law of Nations not the laws of nations.

    Do they teach in law school that the Speaker of the House has the duty to determine and promulgate the

    eligibility of presidential candidates?

    I wonder if Paul Ryan will tell us that all previous Presidents before Obama had TWO citizen-parents and

    were “…born in the country of parents who are citizens” and that Cruz, Rubio, and yes, Obama, are not

    eligible for the office.

    Do they teach the truth and facts in law school?

  198. Hildegard,

    ‘Member “It’s the economy, Stupid” – James Carville?

    Well, now it’s the birthrate, Hildegard.

    It’s the cycle of reductions in the populations leading to the importation of workers leading to the dilution and,

    ultimately, the extinction of the population.

    Seems like that’s what’s facing America, Germany, Europe and/or Western society.

    Maybe the West should have issued “guest worker” passes and its women should have borne and nurtured

    greater numbers of children.

    Maybe the West should not have globalized.

  199. Riesling, sounds like you are making my point…this is the site to lose steam and slap people around…where facts and knowledge are devalued for the benefit of making claims one cannot support
    You are in the right spot, enjoy!:)

  200. Ralph
    Eat you dead heart out:)

    Pew research shows that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. The religious group will make up 30 percent of the world’s population by 2050, compared to just 23 percent of the population in 2010. That means the number of Muslims in the world will nearly equal the number of Christians by 2050.

    If Islam’s growth spurt continues, Pew data shows, Muslims could outnumber Christians soon after the year 2070.
    Imagine, Ralph, your grandchildren might be Muslims! Oh, the horror! 😦

  201. po One problem with your count is that if you put Indonesia among the secular Muslim countries, you are wrong since on this site we just had a piece about Sharia law being enforced there. Turkey,which was a truly secular government, it is now rapidly reverting back to the old days of the Sultan. I would like to know just which countries you posit as being secular Muslim states.

  202. @po
    1, January 9, 2016 at 11:50 am
    Olly says:
    “”That leaves you with two choices; take a stand against these extremists which would be consistent with a belief in unalienable rights OR take a stand against those that far and wide believe the threat is Islamic extremism. You’ve chosen the latter. As a result, NOTHING that you can possibly say will be believable.””
    ———————-
    “Wow, Olly, classic case of false dichotomy.
    To break it down:
    Either I side with the extremists of the left, or I side with the extremists of the right?
    No in between?
    Can’t I side against the extremists on the left and still believe the threat is not islamic extremism?
    So the only right answer is to stand against extremism AND believing that islamic extremism is the threat?”

    Whoa, po.

    As you must know if you’ve read even half of my posts in this thread, I have nothing but contempt (mixed with pity for their authors) for mindless, blanket condemnations of Muslims qua Muslims, but your evasive response to Olly’s challenge here requires, to my mind, immediate clarification.

    Do you or do you not have a problem with forthrightly condemning the behavior of Muslim jihadists like ISIS and their ilk who deliberately target non-combatants?

  203. Ken
    I see you not only as fair minded but also as knowledgeable. I therefore trust the reason behind the question.
    As I have done countless times previously, I completely and unreservedly condemn EVERY SINGLE ACT OF VIOLENCE, EMOTIONAL, MENTAL, PHYSICAL, FINANCIAL… against ANY civilian and non-combatant, I even include in it any building, animal, tree, steam and river.
    I condemn any violence of any kind against anyone unless it is in clear and evident self-defense. I reject suicide bombing, I reject pre-emptive strikes, I reject any retaliation beyond the measure of an eye for an eye. I reject prosecution based solely on suspicion, I condemn ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Nusra Front and any group that cloaks itself in Islam to do the deeds they do.
    I condemn Hamas lobbying rockets in Israel, I condemn Saudi Arabia oppression of is population, I condem any law that creates a second class citizenship due non-islamic faith.
    I reject and condemn honor killing, stoning, blasphemy laws and apostasy laws.

    it is easy to condemn all of those because all of those are clearly and as shown in the dozens of links I have submitted all the time, against the letter and spirit of Islam. All of the above has been clearly stated in the Quran and was exemplified in the life of the Prophet.

    Let the record show, once more, that I am yet the only to have extended such clear and unequivocal condemnation of extremism.

  204. @Hildegard
    1, January 10, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    This woman’s remarks remind me of Marshall McLuhan’s observation that “Modern women decided that they did not want to be dictated to by their husbands, so they went out and got jobs as stenographers.”:)

  205. Speaking of feminism, here is a worthwhile profile from Thruthdigger:
    ———————–

    Truthdigger of the Week: Fatema Mernissi, a Founder of Islamic Feminism

    Posted on Jan 10, 2016

    By Natasha Hakimi

    Fatema Mernissi was one of the founders of Islamic feminism. (Vysotsky / CC BY-SA 4.0)

    Born in a domestic harem in Fez, Morocco, in 1940, acclaimed sociologist Fatema (also Fatima) Mernissi grew up with a unique perspective on the Islamic world. At an early age, she learned from a young Sudanese girl who was a servant in the harem that “the frontier indicates the line of power because wherever there is a frontier, there are two kinds of creatures walking on Allah’s earth, the powerful on one side, and the powerless on the other.” [Editor’s note: In her book “Dreams of Trespass,” Mernissi described post-1909 domestic harems as “in fact extended families … with no slaves and no eunuchs, and often with monogamous couples, but who carried on the tradition of women’s seclusion,” in contrast to the imperial harems perhaps best known to Westerners from the “Arabian Nights” tales.]

    Mernissi understood then, in the isolation of her home—and behind the veil she had to wear whenever she was allowed to leave the harem, always accompanied by a man—that she was one of the powerless.

    As Morocco gained its independence from France in 1956 and domestic harems were banned, a nationalist push allowed her to attend school and, later, to graduate from university. She obtained degrees from Mohammed V University in Rabat, Morocco, and the Sorbonne in Paris as well as earning a Ph.D. in sociology from Brandeis University. Based on Mernissi’s doctoral dissertation, her first book was titled “Beyond the Veil: Male-Female Dynamics in Modern Muslim Society.” It “examines Islam from a feminist perspective and critiques traditional, male-dominated interpretations,” and its publication set her on the path to becoming one of the founders of Islamic feminism.

    A devout Muslim, Mernissi found proof in history and in Islamic texts that the subjugation of women was a male machination justified by “manipulations” of sacred texts. She found no evidence in the Quran and other scriptures that Muslim men were meant to dominate women. “The elite faction is trying to convince us that their egotistic, highly subjective and mediocre view of culture and society has a sacred basis,” she wrote. “But if there is one thing that the women and men of the late 20th century who have an awareness and enjoyment of history can be sure of, it is that Islam was not sent from heaven to foster egotism and mediocrity.”

    Her bold readings initially attracted criticism and even protest, according to The Guardian:

    Fatima’s interpretations and deconstructions of the scriptures were iconoclastic to establishment Islam, [but] she was not, by and large, a target of formal censure, because of her rigorous scholarship, her respect for and adherence to the Qur’an, her demonstrated intellectual expertise with the Qur’an and the Hadith (the sayings attributed to the Prophet) and their many concordances. Her empathetic style and her elegant use of jadal—reasoned and logical argumentation, itself a Qur’anic mode—kept the hecklers away.

    In her book “Islam and Democracy,” published in 1992, the feminist thinker also analyzed the role that the first Gulf war had in turning the Arab world against the idea of democracy, a concept many have come to conflate with “violence and religion in the west, as perceived by Arab observers of American broadcasts.”

    After a life dedicated to feminist Muslim scholarship as well as to work on “civil society, democracy and the digital revolution,” the writer died of cancer on Nov. 30, 2015, at a clinic in Rabat.

  206. po – you say you condemn violence of any kind, however you attack your fellow commentors all the time. You clearly have violence in your heart and it has gotten worse over time.

  207. Nah, Paul it is just eager love…to match the one I get from them.
    Unless it is violence I get from them?
    Either way, it hurts me than it hurts them!

  208. Paul, I sure want to take your word for it… but you see, though my heart says “”believe him””, my brain says, “”come on, he says he was a fact checker, do you really believe that???””

  209. John; I hate to use the word ‘need’, but you need to read this 110 page free download by Kevin Mugur Galalae:

    KILLING US SOFTLY
    CAUSES AND CONSEQUENCES OF THE GLOBAL
    DEPOPULATION POLICY
    http://real-agenda.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KILLING-US-SOFTLY2.pdf

    The preface:
    “The insights for this article, which is a prelude to a forthcoming book, came to me during a 75-day hunger strike while in pre-trial detention in Canada for my defense of human rights. During these 75 days I lost 55 pounds or 27% of my initial body weight and came within an inch of death in my attempt to compel the Canadian government and by extension the international community to stop their devastating methods of population control and adopt worldwide legislation instead. The Canadian authorities watched me wither from 206 to 150 pounds and hoped that I would die. To keep my hunger strike secret they prevented me from seeing the International Red Cross and the Canadian media remained silent throughout. Despite my sacrifice, the Canadian authorities and the international community did nothing to stop the depopulation genocide. To this day, it proceeds as it has for the past 65 years, with complete disregard for human life and dignity.
    Since its inception in 1945, the Global Depopulation Policy has never been exposed, even though over the course of seven decades it has gradually come to affect every human being on the planet. It has been concealed from the world at great cost in human life and treasure because it constitutes crimes against humanity that are without parallel in human history. This is the first time the Global Depopulation Policy is exposed. What you are about to read is forbidden fruit.
    The following pages will forever alter your outlook and understanding of the world and of your fellow human beings.”

    And there’s a helluva lot more where this came from.

  210. PCS,

    “…read Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations.”

    Could you summarize the salient points for us?

    By the way, I’ve read Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Adams, Franklin, Mason (he made it clear that English law was not the law of these states – that the states were going to innovate), John Jay et al. in that timeless trilogy, The Preamble, Constitution and Bill of Rights. I just love the part about having a “right to private property,” which, even logic tells us, precludes redistribution, and the fact that the genius of the American Founders saw fit for women to perpetuate and actually increase the population when they established a restricted-vote republic, consisting of representative government, which began in the home with the man’s undiluted vote representing the family.

    It’s uncanny how smart those guys were, the Founding Fathers. Like the Ten Commandments, the founding documents never needed changing (amendment was intended for clarification, not modification). They last forever (oops – that’s what Madison said, that he feared the destruction of the very Constitution itself – can you say Abe Lincoln, Karl Marx, Roosevelt and Kennedy/Johnson?). Turns out America is running out of babies and where’s the future in that, right?

    The shadow, one world government completed economic globalization with the globalization of the American Presidency by arbitrarily removing the “natural born citizen” requirement that all Presidents before Obama adhered to – the Law of Nations definition – “…born in the country of parents who are citizens.”

    Looks like the once “exceptional” global hegemon, the United States of America, has been totally and irrevocably subsumed, and its inhabitants will soon be diluted into extinction.

    That pesky birthrate in a “death spiral,” you know.

    But I digress…the Wealth of Nations, please.

  211. Ken Rogers ““Modern women decided that they did not want to be dictated to by their husbands, so they went out and got jobs as stenographers.” Yes that’s a good one.

    I wonder how women are going to feel about ‘feminism’ (I have to put it in quotes because it’s so anti-feminine) when they’re drafted into the military.

    It’s not like NOTHING good has come from feminism. Hell, something good probably came from Mao Zedong’s Communist revolution but was it worth it?

  212. @po
    1, January 10, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    Thanks, po, for your expansive response. It gives me no reason whatever to question the sincerity of your opposition to the organized, ongoing violence perpetrated by certain groups of self-identified Muslims.

    I gather, then, that you’re in a psychological and spiritual position similar to my own as a Christian, when self-identified Christians perpetrate the gravest crimes against their fellow men under the odiously spurious mantle of promoting “freedom and democracy” in the Middle East.

    As I witness the consistently depraved domestic and foreign policy behavior of the US Power Elite, and its acceptance by so many of my fellow Americans, many of whom in both categories call themselves Christians, the following words of Thomas Jefferson, now freighted with immeasurably more significance than when he wrote them, frequently come to mind: “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.”

  213. Po,

    “As I have done countless times previously, I completely and unreservedly condemn EVERY SINGLE ACT OF VIOLENCE, EMOTIONAL, MENTAL, PHYSICAL, FINANCIAL… against ANY civilian and non-combatant, I even include in it any building, animal, tree, steam and river.”

    How about that asteroid that impacted the Yucatan Peninsula and killed just about everything on earth, including the dinosaurs, 65 million years ago.

    Did you condemn that asteroid?

    I hope you have a whole lot of condemnation arrows in your quiver because those things show up periodically and at the darnedest times. I think there was one in Russia last year that immorally hurt some folks.

    Personally, I condemn the immorality of asteroids. I bet Lincoln would condemn the immorality of asteroids too and he would probably do something real smart about it too, huh? Maybe Lincoln wouldn’t let them secede. I think we should put up another memorial to Lincoln.

  214. No doubt, Ken, there is a moral high ground to be found in the true believer, in that which is in the realm of the Prophets and the saints, that no faith is truly faith until one truly desires for his fellow human being what he wants for himself…and especially, hates for others what he hates for himself.

    There is a rule to the universe that evil happens and strengthens from good men deceiving themselves and deceiving others. There is only one God, and that God is the sole Creator, of every life, every being, the whole of it, all of it.
    It is in the nature of human being to claim divine proximity, only to turn it again his brothers, just like satan claimed divine proximity in order to deny God, then turning against his fellow creatures, for when we deny God, we unavoidably turn against our fellow creatures.

    If we truly believe that we are all His creation, we are all siblings, and that, therefore we all have a stake in other’s joy and pain.

  215. John, I cannot condemn that asteroid…asteroids can’t but do what asteroids do, they buzz and they land
    But that Russian asteroid deserves a demerit, nonetheless!:)

  216. Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 11, 2016 at 12:53 am
    John – I hate to give spoilers but you can pick up a Cliffnotes for Wealth of Nations.
    ————————–
    Teacher, teach thy flock!
    Paul, I second John’s request for salient points.
    Please?

  217. The founding fathers had no problem taking or expropriating the property of Tories or hanging them in some instances. They also had NO problem taking the land from the Native Americans either. The theft of their land is a major crime, yet that is of no matter to some folks. So I have no problem taking the money or wealth of those who stole most of their wealth from others.

  218. The important thing is that the German “government” keep throwing the Seig Heilers in jail for raising their arms. Let the refugees run wild. Capitalism loves social chaos, mass migrations, and war. Keep up the good work, USA, defeated Germany is still under your IRON HEEL.

  219. john smith; I’m with you100% but I keep wondering what the hell are we going to do about it here in the states. I’m just trying to wake people up to what’s going on. I guess we need to reach some irreversible tipping point but if we end up with some bloody revolution it’s just more of the same epic FAIL we’ve experienced since time immemorial. Everyone thinks this time will be different! But I have my doubts. I need to read up on this Gene Sharp that Ken Rogers talks about. At least he has a different approach.

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  221. po,

    Please correct me where I am wrong.

    God created the heavens and the earth.

    Ergo, God created the asteroids.

    If God created the asteroids, God controls and directs the asteroids.

    God sent the asteroid into the Yucatan peninsula and killed almost every living thing on God’s planet Earth.

    God himself and his asteroids must be detested and considered immoral.

  222. John, only so in the measure of human beings (and dinosaurs one too).
    In the measure of God’s mind, it is unavoidably wise:)

    Think it this way, when you clip your dogs buddies, you are calling upon human wisdom to override canine wisdom…and same when you put him to sleep, though he may disagree with your wisdom.
    Now if we consider the gulf between dog and human wisdom…and human and divine wisdom…

  223. If God experiences no physical force compelling him to an arbitrary definition of morality, God’s creations

    experience no physical force compelling them to an arbitrary definition of morality.

    “We only see what we want to see; we only hear what we want to hear. Our belief system is just like a mirror

    that only shows us what we believe.”

    Don Miguel Ruiz

    “One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor.”

    Anonymous

  224. The difference, john, is one of scale.
    And of of omnipotence.
    And of divinity.
    By its nature of having been created, the creature is bound to an arbitrary definition of morality. Not unlike a robot created with a moral software, which is further refined intermittently with updates and tweaks.
    By its nature as not having been created, the creator is nor bound to those forces, physical or otherwise that compel creation into an arbitrary definition of morality.

    We only see what we want to see, and only hear what we want to hear, as long as our God is us, and therefore our belief system is indeed a mirror that reflects us and only us.
    Once we perceive the Other, then we see though us and through he mirror, and neither the mirror nor us are a reflection, solely a transparency.
    The mirror of the self is zoomed in, myopic…the mirror of the other/Other is a wide lens.

  225. And Po says it´s “all made up” and “silly”, adding insult to injury. After all, they are just the claims of a few dumb blondes…

  226. And Po, one has to wonder how much good your religion is doing you when you still feel the need to come here to “slap people around”.

  227. Riesling
    1, January 13, 2016 at 2:23 am
    And Po, one has to wonder how much good your religion is doing you when you still feel the need to come here to “slap people around”.
    ———————————–
    It’s doing fine, thanks for asking.
    Moses told me to slap the mofo back.
    Jesus told me to turn the other cheek.
    Muhamad told me to slap the mofo back, but if I forgive him, that is better in the sight of the Lord.
    So in that I am only slapping the slappers, I am still within the spirit, if not the letter:)

    Are you looking to join the slapping?

  228. @Riesling
    1, January 13, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    “Po, do you know what your name means in German? It´s fitting.”

    What’s the German word for a feeble-minded attempt at personal insult?

  229. Nah, just a warning and a methodology, so things don’t get bad from here, and if they do, that we don’t get confused later on about why they did.

  230. Here’s some food for thought for reflexively generalizing Islamophobes, assuming they have remaining any dormant capacity for thinking, rather than for simply wallowing in their apparent fear and loathing of Muslims:

    “The very same refugees entering Europe are often the very same civilians who face the indiscriminate violence and cruel injustice in lands controlled by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (though, it should be noted, many in Syria are also threatened by the brutal actions of the Syrian government).

    “Globally, studies have shown that Muslims tend to make up the largest proportion of terror victims, with countries such as Syria and Iraq registering the highest toll. If Muslim refugees come to Europe and are welcomed, it deeply undercuts the Islamic State’s legitimacy.

    “Aaron Zelin, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, has helpfully catalogued some of the Islamic State’s messages on the refugees pouring into Europe from the Middle East. The messages give the impression of deep discomfort and even jealousy that the Muslim population the Islamic State so covets for its self-proclaimed ‘caliphate’ would rather live in ‘infidel’ Western lands. (My emphasis)

    “ ‘Would You Exchange What Is Better For What Is Less?’ is the title of one video message. It sounds more than a little like a note from a jilted ex.

    “Writing in The Post’s opinion pages this weekend, counter-terrorism analyst Harleen Gambhir said the Islamic State had deliberately ‘set a trap’ for Europe with the Paris attacks:

    “The strategy is explicit. The Islamic State explained after the January attacks on Charlie Hebdo magazine that such attacks ‘compel the Crusaders to actively destroy the grayzone themselves. . . . Muslims in the West will quickly find themselves between one of two choices, they either apostatize . . . or they [emigrate] to the Islamic State and thereby escape persecution from the Crusader governments and citizens.’

    “The group calculates that a small number of attackers can profoundly shift the way that European society views its 44 million Muslim members and, as a result, the way European Muslims view themselves. Through this provocation, it seeks to set conditions for an apocalyptic war with the West. (My emphasis)

    “Some have suggested that the Islamic State deliberately sent someone along this route to help sow discord. Given the availability of fake Syrian passports in Turkey and other places, it is quite reasonable to presume that the passport found near the body of one of the Paris bombers was planted there to further inflame a tense Europe — an idea strengthened by reports that a different man was found traveling with the same passport in Serbia.

    “What seems almost certain is that the Islamic State wants you to equate refugees with terrorists. In turn, it wants refugees to equate the West with prejudice against Muslims and foreigners. (My emphasis)

    The reality is that most of these refugees are already receiving a pretty rough welcome in the West. Syrian refugees who arrive in the United States face remarkable scrutiny from multiple government agencies, including the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, the National Counter-terrorism Center and the Defense Department. The screening process can take years, leaving legitimate refugees in limbo. It’s worth remembering that making that welcome worse may be exactly what the Islamic State wants. (My emphasis)
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/16/the-islamic-state-wants-you-to-hate-refugees/

  231. po,

    @12:30am

    Either you are totally insane or I am completely cognitively incompetent – the latter being highly likely.

    And that pretty much sums up the nature and value of arbitrary and exogenously imposed morality.

  232. Ken, that is the essential point about the whole issue, that ISL’s stated aim is to do just that, force that false choice between the West and the Caliphate, and as we did with Al Qaeda seeking to draw us into bankrupting ourselves into that war on terror, we are falling right into their trap.

    It is also essential we accept the idea that even ISl is a proxy fighter between larger forces and larger aims. To focus on 30-000 fighters while losing sight of the generals, the armies, the bases, the missiles and drones, the Russian, American, Israeli, British, German and French, the Iranian, NATO, and the nukes pointed out and the nukes pointed in…
    The good thing is that ISL will be the first to go, at least we won’t worry about them any longer as we scrounge for food :)
    Hopefully common sense will prevail sooner rather than later, otherwise EVERYONE is doomed.

  233. @po
    1, January 14, 2016 at 12:23 am
    “It is also essential we accept the idea that even ISl is a proxy fighter between larger forces and larger aims. To focus on 30-000 fighters while losing sight of the generals, the armies, the bases, the missiles and drones, the Russian, American, Israeli, British, German and French, the Iranian, NATO, and the nukes pointed out and the nukes pointed in…”

    I don’t follow you here regarding “ISI is a proxy fighter between larger forces and larger aims.”

    For whom is ISIS fighting as a proxy?

  234. To the blog administrator: sorry that I made a feeble-minded attempt at personal insult, which resulted in your having to delete Po´s and my comments. I wasn´t thinking. It won´t happen again.

  235. PCS,

    So what you’re saying is that no further ad hominem attacks will be tolerated and/or occur on this blog site?

    The only thing attacked will be the subject of the debate.

    OK.

    It reminds me of the NFL wherein the aggressor is ignored while the target is penalized.

    C’est la vie.

  236. Ken Rogers “For whom is ISIS fighting as a proxy?”

    ‪Bombshell Interview: Sy Hersh Exposes The Obama-ISIS Alliance‬

  237. Ken, based on the consensus about who armed ISL, supports them and who benefits from them, to me they are indeed a proxy army.
    ISL is a product of the Bush/Bandar Bush cooperation of US providing funds and weapons while Bandar (the previous Saudi prince US ambassador, national chief of security, special envoy to the king) in charge of setting up various extremist groups in challenging areas in order to target opposite interests (Iran,Syria)
    We can say with definite certainty that ISL got their funding, moral and religious legitimacy and start with Saudi Arabia, both unofficially, but also through various individual entities within S. Arabia who funded and encouraged young men to join the “holy war”against shiites.

    The same thing happened with Al Nusra Front, which is funded by Qatar, aided by Israel (which treats its injured fighters in Israeli hospitals).

    We know, obviously, that ISL could not directly attack Iran, therefore it was directed at Iran biggest ally in the region, Syria, which is the domino to make all others fall. All parties, western, Israeli and Saudi, have an interest in the fall of Syria. The former to satisfy the interest of the oil oligarchs in putting their hands on Syria’s resources; the Israeli to shut off the back window onto Israel for the main ally of their main enemy, Iran, and resolve once for all the subject of the Golan Heights; and the Saudi for same reason as Israel but to also put a halt to shia ideology spread.
    Another entity that plays a huge role supporting ISL is Turkey. In terms of infrastructure, Turkey is the key. Not only does it allow a door into ISL territory for the thousands of people seeking to join ISL, it also allows a door through Turkey and out to the world (Europe and Israel) of all the oil stolen from Syrian fields. Erdogan’s son is the main player in that scheme. The products from those oil sales, money and goods transit through Turkey again. That is why Turkey downed the Russian plane, and that is the US has pretended being unable to find the ISL fighters, trucks and tankers that the Russians have been obliterating.
    Politically, Erdogan has been one of the main voices in the call for attacking Syria, this from the start.

    That is why populations in the ME widely believe that ISL is a creation of the US/Israelis, for it came out of nowhere, does not spring out of any population base, has logistical support that is obviously beyond the measure of any other extremist group (have we wondered where those brand new toyota trucks come from?)

    If we ask ourselves what is the ultimate aim of ISL, the experts are concluding that it is to break up Syria in fiefs. Many in it believe in the Caliphate, but it cannot be the top dogs. Bagdadi is not an islamic scholar, nor are the Baath party generals who are said to provide the upper echelon particularly religious. The ISL religious scholars are lightweights in the world of Islamic scholarship.

    Whatever ISL fights for, seems, strangely, to benefit only and hugely these countries:
    -Western countries aim to destabilize Syria to placate Iran, and to put a hand on the Syrian resources that Assad has been turning towards Russia for exploitation.
    – Turkey’s aim to take out Assad not only to limit Iranian influence at its border, but also and more importantly to further enable its war on the kurds (especially now that the kurds have been the only successful force against ISL and gaining land in the process.)
    – Israel’s stop to Iranian influence, remove Iran ally on its border and keep Golan heights (we must ask how come Israel was not targeted by ISL?)
    – S. Arabia stops Iranian influence, expands wahabi influence,…

  238. ‪”Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed–and no republic can survive.” JFK

    “There is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits
    of official censorship and concealment.”

    Harney Sheriff THROWS OUT Reporter for Asking about Constitution! – #OregonFront‬

  239. @Hildegard
    1, January 14, 2016 at 2:37 pm
    “Ken Rogers ‘For whom is ISIS fighting as a proxy?’
    “Bombshell Interview: Sy Hersh Exposes The Obama-ISIS Alliance‬

    I didn’t find Jones’ interview of Hersh particularly enlightening, but Hersh’s “Military to Military” in the London Review of Books, spells out in illuminating detail the funding and material and logistical support provided to ISIS by the governments of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, and the US.

    “Barack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped.

    “The military’s resistance dates back to the summer of 2013, when a highly classified assessment, put together by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then led by General Martin Dempsey, forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria’s takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya. A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups.

    “By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria.

    The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy. The document showed, the adviser said, ‘that what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State. The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.” (Emphasis added)
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military

    There are apparently some very slow studies in the Obama Administration, who seem to have learned little from the tragedies of the illegal and immoral US-engineered regime changes in Iraq and Libya, as they seem intent on creating the same kind of fundamentalist chaos in Syria.

    Or, perhaps it’s the case that the influential neocons in his administration see important money to be made by their friends in the Military-Industrial Complex from continual war in the Middle East, regardless of the identities of the temporary winners and losers.

  240. Thanks for the timely updates, Phil.
    Please let us know when it get to 1000 and then…we’ll…uh…we’ll bomb Syria and North Africa…and Germany!

  241. What, Muslims stopped assaults on women? Now way!
    Logically then, Islam is chivalrous??!!!
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    BERLIN — Caught up in a melee of drunken revelers outside the Cologne train station on New Year’s Eve, Caitlin Duncan, a neuroscience student from Seattle, was terrified. She had somehow gotten separated from her German boyfriend, who had both their cellphones and her wallet. Ms. Duncan, 27, said that she was quickly surrounded and groped by several young men: One snatched her hat from her head, another tried to kiss her face and neck.

    Like many of the hundreds of women who later said they had been assaulted in the crowd, Ms. Duncan sought help from the police, but said the officers were too busy trying to clear the square. But unlike other victims, whose complaints of attacks by foreigners of North African and Arab descent have ignited new debate about Germany’s ability to absorb migrants, Ms. Duncan said she was rescued by a group of Syrian asylum seekers.

    Amid the swirl of criminal chaos, it seems, there were also acts of chivalry.

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    As the crowd swelled and grew more unruly, Ms. Duncan said, a stranger came up and asked if she needed help. Both of them spoke broken German, so the stranger summoned a friend who spoke English. He was Hesham Ahmad Mohammad, from Aleppo, Syria, who had met up in Cologne for the holiday with six or seven other Syrian refugees scattered around Germany.

    The men offered Ms. Duncan money for a taxi to her boyfriend’s parents’ home: “the only address I knew,” she said. They would happily have called her boyfriend, Sebastian Samer, but Ms. Duncan had relied on speed-dial and could not remember the number. “I know there’s a lot of 7s,” she thought, “but that’s not helping me right now.”

    She persuaded the men to form a kind of cordon around her so they could move through the crowd. She described her boyfriend to them, and they eventually found him inside the station. She cried. “I was just so relieved,” she recalled later.

    Mr. Ahmad Mohammad, a former primary-school teacher, said he had left Aleppo, a scene of tremendous fighting in the Syrian civil war, in 2014 for Turkey, and had arrived in Germany via the Balkans and Austria in September. He said he had left his wife and two sons in a village near the Syrian-Turkish border and was living in a small town near Cologne with two other Syrians, studying German as he awaited asylum.

    He said in a telephone interview on Friday that he and his friends had also felt unsafe on New Year’s, and blamed “bad boys” who were “drinking, and I think taking marijuana or something. They lost their minds.” Now, they worry that Germans and other Europeans are drawing conclusions that will make it harder for new arrivals.

    “We keep hearing news about refugees all day: ‘They are bad people, they must go back to their home,’ ” Mr. Ahmad Mohammad, 32, said. “When I hear that in the news, I am sad. Because we know that there were bad boys and bad people. But the good people, nobody speak about them.”

    Ms. Duncan’s story started like so many others. In a long telephone conversation from Tübingen, a south German university town where she and Mr. Samer study neuroscience, she recounted the horror.

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    “One man grabbed my hat, took it off my head,” she began. “Someone else came around the back of me and grabbed me,” she added, “I guess looking for something in my pockets. I turned around, you know, to push him off me because he’s touching me. I turned to get my hat back, put it on; someone else tried to kiss my face and to kiss my neck. I pushed him away and yelled, ‘What’s wrong with you?’ ”

    “I thought, ‘This is a bit strange, but it’s New Year’s and people are drinking too much — I’ll just find my boyfriend and leave,’ ” Ms. Duncan said.

    But the police brushed her off and alarmed her more, she said, by shoving the crowd from the square.

    She asked an American who was filming the scene if it was a political protest, and he speculated that the officers might be trying to thwart some kind of terrorist attack.

    “So then I thought, ‘This is really not good, I need to get out of here,’ ” Ms. Duncan said.

    But with the police again shoving back the crowd, “all of a sudden, I was pushed back into this big group of people, eight or nine men, groping, pulling my hair,” she recalled. “I went into a kind of fighting mode, and kicked and hit and pushed until I got away.”

    By now, she said, “I was getting really scared.” At 5-foot-2, she could hardly see in the crowd.

    It was then that the stranger approached her, a glimmer of goodness in the grimmest of situations.

    It took her some days, she said, to realize that hundreds of women had undergone similar ordeals — mostly without her happy ending.

    “I was surprised that there were so many women that reported being groped,” she said. “I really didn’t see that happen to other people; I was really surprised to learn that it was something bigger.”

    She and Mr. Samer are in touch with her Syrian rescuer at least every couple of days, she said.

    Mr. Ahmad Mohammad said: “My friends and I are very happy because first of all, we help somebody. After that, we have new friends from Germany,” the kind of contacts needed, he said, to start life here.

    “In the end,” Ms. Duncan said, “it turned out really well” — even if “that was not how I planned to ring in the new year, definitely.”

  242. How convenient that po, whenever he wants to make some outlandish claims, will simply post long, rambling, incomprehensible, bizarre articles, purposely devoid of any source, citation or name, hoping to convince the dimwitted on this blog that what transpires in the Islamic world, on a daily basis, is somehow common throughout various religions. Truth, for po, is never an obstacle. Perhaps he is just frustrated that he didn’t beat his wife, sufficiently, today, and has some pent up hostility. After all, Islam also condones beating women, among other atrocities. He hopes, of course, that the strange and weird claims that he posts will be taken at face value, since no sources are mentioned to purposely prevent the reader from attempting to verify the statements. Hoping to smear all societies with the same brush, in some desperate attempt to normalize the insanity that is Islam, the fact is that in Israel, his favorite country of derision, it is illegal to treat children in the manner that is condoned, encouraged and legalized throughout the Muslim world, which honors the pedophile, Mohammed, and legalizes that which he did, in his life–namely, child rape. Major fail, po.

  243. Confused by your never ending supply of insanity, po. I attribute much of it to centuries of inbreeding in Islam, where it is extremely common, sanctioned and encouraged to marry first cousins. Centuries of it have left you and your Muslim brethren quite touched, to say the least. No wonder the adherents to Islam are so mad. Generations and generations, marrying first cousins, have created a population of imbeciles.

  244. Hahahaha…tell that to my Jewish buddy Marcus who…. hold on…he converted to Islam so…is he still Jew…? an Arab…?a Muslim…?a Judeo-Muslim?
    Considering he is now among a population of imbeciles, he is subject to the same causal factors, generations and generations of inbreeding… all the way up his bloodline…wait, did you just call Jews a population of imbeciles? Pretty rude I say! What else to expect from a self-hating Jew?

  245. There is no hope for the rabid ignorant, bambam, no hope…none!
    According to your illogic, all of these people of different hue and origins are all inbred imbeciles???? Only an imbecile might think so:)

    This is a list of notable converts to Islam from Judaism.

    Hibat Allah Abu’l-Barakat al-Baghdaadi – influential 12th-century physicist, philosopher, and scientist who wrote a critique of Aristotelian philosophy and Aristotelian physics.[1]
    Ibn Yahyā al-Maghribī al-Samaw’al – 12th-century mathematician and astronomer.[2][3]
    Muhammad Asad (Leopold Weiss) – Viennese journalist, author, and translator who visited the Hijaz in the 1930s, and became Pakistani ambassador to the United Nations.[4]
    Sultan Rafi Sharif Bey (Yale Singer) – 20th-century pioneer in the development of Islamic culture in the United States.[5]
    Youssef Darwish – a labour lawyer and activist[6] who was one of the few from the Karaite Jewish community to remain in Egypt after the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.
    Tali Fahima – Israeli left-wing activist, convicted of aiding Palestinian fighters. Converted to Islam in Umm al-Fahm in June 2010.[7]
    Rashid-al-Din Hamadani – 13th-century Persian physician[8]
    Yaqub ibn Killis – 10th-century Egyptian vizier under the Fatimids.[9]
    Leila Mourad – Egyptian singer and actress of the 1940s and 1950s.[10]
    Lev Nussimbaum – 20th-century writer, journalist and orientalist.[11]
    Jacob Querido – 17th-century successor of the self-proclaimed Jewish Messiah Sabbatai Zevi.[12]
    Abdullah ibn Salam – 7th-century sahabi said to have been a rabbi of aristocratic stock.[13]
    Ibn Sahl of Seville – 13th-century Andalusian poet.[14]
    Harun ibn Musa – 8th-century scholar of Hadith and Qira’at, and the first compiler of the different styles of Qur’anic recitation.[15]
    Al-Ru’asi – 8th-century scholar of Arabic grammar and the founder of the Kufan school of grammar.[16]

    And then this :
    Killing you deep down, poor bambam…
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    A Holocaust survivor by the name of Helen Brashatsky (Leila Jabarin) who arrived in mandate Palestine in 1948, married a Palestinian and converted to Islam.(h/t:MasterQ)

    Quite a fascinating story, AlJazeera Arabic has an interesting article in Arabic about her being denied the payments that Holocaust survivors received because she converted to Islam: Survivor From the Holocaust, Converted to Islam and Married a Palestinian.(h/t: ArabAtheist)

    She likely would be an excellent individual to educate children on the consequences of hate and genocide. Her story would also help dispel Holocaust denial:
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/04/survivor-from-the-holocaust-converted-to-islam-and-married-a-palestinian/
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    And here is he dagger, sorry: Jews for Allah
    “”TESTIMONIES OF JEWISH CONVERTS TO ISLAM

    These are True Stories of Jewish People who followed Judaism and became Muslim, despite the Israeli Arab political conflict, more and more Jews are realizing

    that Judaism and Christianity are light houses leading to Islam, whether you were a Messianic Jew, a Jew for Jesus, or an Orthodox Jew, any Jew can be for Allah. Because Everyone is born a Muslim (in Submission to Allah) Everyday Jews are Returning (Reverting) to their Religion of Birth and the Religion of Abraham, Moses, and all the past Prophets, Islam.

    Michael David Shapiro

    Yiddishe Muslimah

    Yousef al Khatab

    Qamar al Khattab (Luna “Melul” Cohen)

    Abdel Rahman al Khattab (Rahamim Cohen)

    Hesibeh al Khattab (Hesibeh Cohen)

    Abdel Aziz al Khattab (Ezra Cohen)

    Abdullah al Khattab (Ovadia Cohen)

    Mohammed Ben Zerroda

    Josh Hasan

    Adam Wolfer

    Ali ibn Sahl

    Aisha

    Samau’al al-Maghribi

    Prof. Abdullah Shleifer

    Abd al-Haqq Islami

    Ka`b al-Ahbar

    Rashid al-Din

    Ibn Kammuna

    Sayed Udeen

    Mohammed Yusuf

    Sind b. ‘Ali

    Muhammad (Abu Abdullah) Samuels

    Hudhayfa b. al-Yaman

    `Ammar b. Yasir

    Abu Malik `Abdallah b. Sam of Kinda

    Michelle

    Isa Adam Naziri

    Moshe

    Founder of Al Azhar

    Muhammad Daniel

    Hasan from Yard Al Mukaddasa

    Reform Jew convert to Islam

    Former Rabbi convert to Islam from Morocco

    Fouad

    Odyssey to Islam by Dr. Moustafa Mould

    Rachel Singer

    Rabbi of Makhachkala

    Hajj Mustafa Ali

    Suleyman Ahmad

    Jemima Goldsmith

    Maryam Jameelah

    Kari Ann Owen

    Emad ud Deen

    Michael Wolfe

    Muhammad Asad

    From Messiah to Muslim (Shabbetai Zevi)

    Abdullah Ibn Sailam, the first Rabbi convert

    video testimony

    Former French Jew Now Muslim Video (in French)

    Are you a Jewish Convert to Islam ? please send us your life story, we would love to hear from you, our e-mail is

  246. HHAHAHAHAHHA, bam, unhinged…as usual….
    Okay, I’ll bite! These guys were forced to convert too?
    ———-
    Japanese youth increasingly convert to Islam, NU Indonesia http://themuslimtimes.info/2012/12/25/japanese-youth-increasingly-convert-to-islam-nu-indonesia/

    Tired of the material life, Japanese youth are increasingly converting to Islam, setting a new balance between their life and religious beliefs.
    “That was nothing but a divine revelation,” Masashi Nagano, a 28-year-old Japanese Muslim, told The Japan Times on Monday (17/12).
    Born and brought up in a society with predominantly Shinto and Buddhist undertone, Nagano hated religion as a child.
    He was appalled by the atrocities perpetrated by Japanese terrorist cult Aum Shinrikyo, including the 1995 poison gas attack on the Tokyo subway system that killed a dozen people and sickened thousands of commuters.
    This fact, however, changed in 2008 when he was in graduate school.
    Reading the Noble Qur’an as part of his anthropology studies, he started to mingle with Muslims living in Japan.
    Now, he praises himself as a devout Muslim.
    “I owe what I am to the Quran,” Nagano added.
    ————————————————
    And then these :

    ———————————————-
    And then…and then…tada!
    “”Why So Many Latinos Are Becoming Muslims
    By TIM PADGETT • OCT 9, 2013

    Most Latinos know the country is celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month right now. What far fewer Latinos know is that next week marks Eid al-Adha, one of Islam’s most sacred holidays.

    And yet the two observances are more related now than most Latinos realize.

    Just as the U.S. Latino population is on the rise – Hispanics are now the nation’s largest minority – so is the number of Latino Muslims. And it’s not just a result of Arab Latin Americans emigrating to the United States.

    According to organizations like WhyIslam.org, Latinos are one of the fastest growing segments of the Muslim community. About six percent of U.S. Muslims are now Latino – and as many as a fifth of new converts to Islam nationwide are Latino.

    The American Muslim Association of North America, based in North Miami, says heavily Hispanic South Florida in particular is home to a rising number of Latino Muslims.

    Not that conversion to Islam is easy in Latino society, as Marina Gonzalez knows. A Nicaraguan-American nurse in Miami, Gonzalez converted five years ago and wears the hijab, the Muslim women’s head garb. At first her family stopped talking to her.

    “They [were] calling me Talibana,” Gonzalez recalls. “My mother, she didn’t like to go [out] with me because I wear the hijab.”

    But now her mother “understands. When I go to my parents’ house they turn off the TV when I have to pray. I’m so happy.”

    Najib Sowma’s first name was Dario before he converted six years ago. Today he’s a leading member of the Al-Ihsaan mosque in South Miami-Dade. But his Cuban mother was initially shocked.

    “Now her views have changed,” says Sowma. “Prior to me being Muslim to who I am now, she sees a big difference in my character.”

    Spain’s Islamic Past

    If it’s a surprise that many Latinos are moving from a predominantly Roman Catholic culture to an originally Arab faith, perhaps it shouldn’t be. For one thing, like African-Americans in the 1960s, Latinos are discovering their own historical and cultural ties to Islam and the Arab world. And that starts with what most defines Latinos: Spanish.

    “Our language is nurtured by more than 4,000 words that come from Arabic,” says Wilfredo Ruiz, a Puerto Rican-born Muslim who converted a decade ago and is a lawyer for the South Florida chapter of the Council of American-Islamic Relations. “Every word in Spanish that starts with ‘al,’ for example, like alcalde, alcantarilla, almohada.”

    That’s because Arab Muslims ruled Spain for some 800 years during the Middle Ages – and made the Iberian Peninsula one of the most advanced civilizations of its time. A millennium later, Ruiz says that past is an inescapable part of the Hispanic DNA.

    The American Muslim Association of North America, based in North Miami, says heavily Hispanic South Florida in particular is home to a rising number of Latino Muslims.
    “What most Latinos who have embraced Islam find most amazing is their cultural affinity to the Muslim culture,” says Ruiz. “It’s like rediscovering your past. That area of our past has been hidden from us.”

    Ruiz points out that both Latinos and Arabs highly value the extended family and traditions like offering hospitality to strangers. In religious terms, Latinos like Gonzalez say Islam provides a simpler, more direct form of worship than Catholicism does. They also feel more structure than they see in the evangelical churches so many Latinos join today.

    “The connection I have with God now is better than before,” says Gonzalez.

    Yet many take comfort in the overlap between Catholicism and Islam. Muslims, for example, venerate the Virgin Mary as well as Jesus, at least as a prophet.

    “At the beginning when I was reading the Koran I said, “Oh, [Muslims] believe in the hereafter, in angels,’” says Liliana Parodi, a Peruvian-American surgical technician in Miami who converted 24 years ago. “You know, it’s not so much difference.”

    Appeal To Women

    More Latina women convert to Islam than Latino men do. Islam is admittedly questioned for its segregation of women. But Latinas like Parodi say it’s hypocritical for a male-dominated Catholic Church – which forbids women priests, birth control and divorce – and an ultra-macho Latino society – whose Spanish-language television networks still portray women as spitfire sexpots – to criticize their new faith in that regard.

    “I tell them, ‘Look at yourself,’” says Parodi. “The sad part is [when they] see women as objects.”

  247. Alright,alright, last one bamie! I hope you are sitting down, I would not wish this to my worse enemy, a Jew who becomes a Hamas supporter and an enemy of Israel!!!! who woulda thunk it????!!!!!
    ——————-
    “”Jewish American Converts to Islam

    Joseph Cohen moved from the United States to Israel as a devout Jew in 1998, but within three years he had converted to Islam and become Yosef Mohammed Khatib, a supporter of the militant Hamas, according to a report broadcast Thursday on Israel TV.

    Now he refuses to say the word Israel, choosing instead to call the area “Palestine.” His four children study the Quran, the Muslim holy book, instead of the Torah, its Jewish counterpart.

    It was while living in the desert town of Netivot that Khatib met a sheik from the United Arab Emirates through an Internet chat about Israel. Khatib said he spent hours corresponding with the sheik, discussing theology. Gradually he began to see Judaism as racist and turned toward Islam after reading the Quran, he told Channel 10 TV. The report did not say where he lived in the United States or give his age.

    Last year he told his wife, Luna, also a devout Jew from the United States, that he wanted to convert to Islam.

    “I said, `Listen, I love you very much … and I have to be honest with you,'” Khatib said in the TV interview. “I read the Quran and I agree with everything it says in the Quran, and if I continue saying that I’m a religious Jew, I would be a liar.”

    The family converted together and moved from Netivot to an Arab neighborhood in east Jerusalem. The children went from being top in their classes on Judaism studies to being well-versed in Islam, he said.

    Instead of supporting the Israeli Orthodox Jewish political party Shas, Khatib now supports the radical Islamic Hamas and believes an Islamic state should be set up where Israel and the Palestinian areas are now located.

    He praised Hamas for setting up social services for Palestinians but dodged questions about the other side of the Islamic group – suicide bombings and other attacks against Israelis. The United States has declared Hamas a terror group.

    Khatib differed from most Israelis and Americans in his views about Osama bin Laden, the top suspect in the Sept. 11 terror attacks in New York and Washington.

    “I think that he’s number one, Muslim number one,” Khatib said with a strong New York accent about bin Laden. “But I don’t think that he’s responsible for the World Trade Center (attacks).”

    Wearing the white skullcap and robes of a religious Muslim, Khatib denied his Jewish past, insisting that he is 100 percent Muslim. He made a parody of a blessing that observant Jews say every morning, in which they thank God for not making them gentiles.

    “Blessed are Thou, Lord Our God,” Khatib began in the traditional Jewish blessing, but ended it with, “for not making me a Jew.”

  248. OOps, here is your link: http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/20069/jewish-american-converts-to-islam
    And, forgive me, another one, this one written for you obviously:)
    ———————-
    Jeremy Greenberg (I now, not Daniel Greenberg but a Greenberg nonetheless)
    Author, Comedian, Soothsayer
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-greenberg/jew-converted-to-islam_b_1097776.html

    The Observations of a Jew Who Converted to Islam

    Have you ever wondered exactly what it is to be an American Muslim? Are they human? How exactly to do they plan on killing us all and turning the United States into a Muslim nation ruled by a galactic caliphate? And how have they learned to pretend to enjoy living here in the United States even though we all know they consider this country to be the great Satan?

    Hello. My name is Jeremy Greenberg, and I am here to help you better understand the truth about American Muslims. Although my opening questions are clearly sarcastic, I, like many Americans was largely ignorant about what it’s like to be Muslim in America. That is, until last March when this Jew walked into a mosque in Louisville, Kentucky, a city in which I was performing for the week, and converted to Islam. I am now alternatively known as Assad Ibrahim, or “Lion of Abraham.”

    Why did I convert? Simple. I wanted to better understand the life of Muslims in America, and what their growing presence means for the rest of us. I didn’t trust how politicians and the media were playing the issue, and I didn’t want any second-hand information. The only way I truly felt I could know American Muslims was to become one.

    Oddly enough, converting to Islam is one of the most Jewish things I’ve ever done. We clearly have an Islamophobia problem in this country. Mosques across this nation are repeatedly being vandalized, and women wearing traditional Muslim clothing are being thrown off of airplanes for no good reason. The craziest part is that most of us don’t care. But Jews should care a lot! The last time a western nation was complicit in the demonization of an entire group of people was during the Nazi regime in Germany. Every person who values freedom and tolerance should be doing their best to make sure Muslims are not unfairly demonized. I know some of my Jewish brethren will see my conversion as traitorous. But the truth is, my becoming a Muslim so as to better understand and explain them to those who will listen is actually a mitzvah, or blessing. I’m no more of a traitor than Oskar Schindler. And if your immediate feeling upon learning that I became a Muslim is repulsion, then you are for whom I’m writing this the most.

  249. @Ken Rogers

    “The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy.”

    It is my opinion that that is simply not true. Turkey and the U.S. have exactly the same policy and the same goal. Simply put they’re on the same team with different uniforms.

    “There are apparently some very slow studies in the Obama Administration, who seem to have learned little from the tragedies of the illegal and immoral US-engineered regime changes in Iraq and Libya…”

    I beg to differ. Slow studies? They’ve learned EVERYTHING from the ‘tragedies’ of Iraq and Libya. These ‘tragedies’ are their victories.

    “…as they seem intent on creating the same kind of fundamentalist chaos in Syria.”

    Yes, it is intentionally created chaos and intent is 9/10th of the law.

    “Or, perhaps it’s the case that the influential neocons in his administration see important money to be made by their friends in the Military-Industrial Complex from continual war in the Middle East, regardless of the identities of the temporary winners and losers.”

    Why single out the so-called neocons? Money and power and power and money; there is no separation of so-called conservative and liberal in this game. None whatsoever. We’ve had it drilled into our naive little heads for so long that it matters which ‘party’ we support.

    It’s about control, creating ‘order’ out of chaos which is nothing more than suppression and oppression. If enough chaos is created, people will beg for ‘order’ and ‘security’, but who’s order? Do you understand why this chaos is being intentionally created? Look at the aftermath of the Boston bombing. Read the Rand report; http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2009/RAND_MG819.pdf Count how many times it’s mentioned that we must do away with Posse Comitatus. The Rand report refers to the U.S. but the same agenda is being played out all over Europe and the Mideast .

    “Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by PUBLIC INCREDULITY” – Marshall McLuhan

    Sorry, I KNOW I get pissy about these things, but I’m just getting so anxious with the speed with which this agenda is being played out and the number of people who just don’t get it….who just don’t get the big picture.

  250. For a good laugh this morning, I suggest folks go to some Muslim web sites and read what they have to say about why prayers are only good if they are done in Arabic. Turns out that Arabic is the most perfect language and the language of Allah. I guess that Allah has a hard time understanding other languages or can’t stand the sound of them. Of course they forget that the universal language now is English and is the language of science, commerce, and most advances in all other fields. It used to be that German was required for chemistry majors, and French for international diplomacy. It has been centuries since Arabic language folks have contributed anything at all to our knowledge base.

  251. @Hildegard
    1, January 16, 2016 at 3:34 am

    Sy Hersh: “ ‘The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy.’

    H: “It is my opinion that that is simply not true. Turkey and the U.S. have exactly the same policy and the same goal. Simply put they’re on the same team with different uniforms.”

    KR: What “is simply not true”? Hersh was reporting what the intelligence estimate found, i.e., that Obama’s stated goal of arming “moderate” Syrian rebels was being undercut by Turkey’s arming radical jihadists in Syria, who were co-opting or absorbing (or killing) the moderates.

    KR: If you’re asserting that Obama’s stated policy was different from his actual policy all along, and that the US Army brass were duped by Obama regarding his intentions, that is an entirely different thing and one that it’s incumbent upon you to provide evidence of, if you want to be taken seriously.

    H: “Sorry, I KNOW I get pissy about these things, but I’m just getting so anxious with the speed with which this agenda is being played out and the number of people who just don’t get it….who just don’t get the big picture.

    KR: As I don’t recall that you’ve yet done so, how about taking this opportunity to explain what “this agenda” consists of that you’re trying to get people to “wake up to” or “get”?

    I’m asking sincerely, not snarkily.

  252. bam, how does it feel to be you? To be so illogical and so hateful…and so wrong, so wrong?
    Your logic is that since child marriage is illegal in IsraelIs Child Marriage a Muslim Problem?

    by Ilisha on May 6, 2012 in Feature

    Loons often attribute child marriages exclusively to Muslims, but a Unicef report says 47 percent of married women in India wed before age 18. Unicef also says 40 percent of the world’s child marriages take place in secular, Hindu-majority India.
    As this map clearly shows, the practice is widespread in many parts of the world, most notably in parts of Africa:
    Disregarding anthropology (the comparative study of human societies) and eager to pin every social ill on Islam, anti-Muslim activists portray child marriage as unique to Muslim communities, and cite Islamic Law as a major obstacle to ending the practice.In fact, most Muslim-majority countries have legal age limits for marriage comparable to Western countries. According to the United Nations, in Algeria, Bangladesh, Iraq, Jordan, Malaysia, and Morocco, the legal age a female can marry is 18, and in Tunisia, it’s 20. Most of the remaining Muslim-majority countries have ages set for females ranging from 15-17, and in all of these countries, the age for boys is either the same or slightly higher. India has also set the legal limit to age 18, but as is the case in many countries, the law is difficult to enforce, especially in rural areas, where historical, cultural, and economic factors often outweigh legal restrictions.

    Akha Teej is considered an auspicious day, when one does not have to consult any astrologer. This is the best time for marriages … Even our epics mention about child marriages. There is no harm in performing it, as the children do not live together and stay together only after attaining adulthood. ~ Priest in Rajasthan, Al Jazeera

    Recently police and administration officials were injured when they were attacked by a group of villagers conducting child marriages in Rajasthan on the holy day of Akshaya Tritiya. Now a young Indian woman has won a landmark case that challenges the culture of child weddings. (h/t: Zangia)
    theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/03/child-marriage-map/387214/

    America’s Child-Marriage Problem
    By FRAIDY REISSOCT.

    IN the United States today, thousands of children under 18 have recently taken marital vows — mostly girls married to adult men, often with approval from local judges. In at least one case, a 10-year-old boy was legally married.

    How is this possible? The minimum marriage age in most states is 18, but every state allows exceptions under which children under age 18 can wed.

    The first common exception is for children marrying with “parental consent.” Most states allow children age 16 or 17 to marry if their parents sign the marriage license application.

    Of course, one person’s “parental consent” can be another’s “parental coercion,” but state laws typically do not call for anyone to investigate whether a child is marrying willingly. Even in the case of a girl’s sobbing openly while her parents sign the application and force her into marriage, the clerk usually has no authority to intervene. In fact, in most states there are no laws that specifically forbid forced marriage.

    The second common marriage-age exception is for children marrying with judicial approval. This exception lowers the marriage age below 16 in many states, and many states do not specify a minimum age. Judges in those states can allow the marriage even of an elementary school student.

    But judges would never do that, right?

    Unchained at Last, a nonprofit I founded to help women escape from arranged, forced marriages, recently retrieved health department data on the ages of people married in New Jersey, where 16- and 17-year-olds may wed with parental consent, and children under 15 may marry with judicial approval.

    Unfortunately, the available records do not include any identifying details about marriages beyond the ages of the participants. Nevertheless, the data show that 3,499 children were married in New Jersey between 1995 and 2012. Most were age 16 or 17 and married with parental consent, but 178 were between ages 10 and 15, meaning a judge approved their marriages.

    Shockingly, 91 percent of the children were married to adults, often at ages or with age differences that could have triggered statutory-rape charges, not a marriage license. A judge in 2006 approved the marriage of a 10-year-old boy to an 18-year-old woman. A judge in 1996 allowed a 12-year-old girl to marry a 25-year-old man.

    Based on my own experience working with forced-marriage victims across the United States, I am sure many of these children had to marry against their will. Forced marriage is a widespread but often ignored problem in the United States. A survey by the Tahirih Justice Center, an NGO that provides services to immigrant women and girls, identified as many as 3,000 known or suspected forced-marriage cases just between 2009 and 2011, many involving girls under age 18. Tactics used against the victims included threats of ostracism, beatings or death.

    Forced and child marriages happen almost everywhere, yet only 10 states or jurisdictions have specific laws that can be used to prevent or punish forced marriage. The Tahirih survey focused on immigrants, and it identified child marriages or forced marriages, or both, in immigrant communities from 56 countries of origin in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas, but it also identified such marriage in so-called American families.
    The survey found child marriage or forced marriage, or both, in families of many faiths, including Muslim, Christian (particularly Catholic), Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh. I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.
    Parents give many reasons for forcing their children into marriage, including controlling the children’s sexuality and behavior and protecting “family honor.” Often families use forced marriage to enhance their status or gain economic security.
    The New Jersey data show that 90 percent of the children married were girls, which is consistent with global trends. Across the world, child marriage and forced marriage disproportionately affect girls and women.
    Unchained at Last also requested health department data on the ages of people recently married in New York State, where 16- and 17-year-olds may wed with “parental consent” and 14- and 15-year-olds may wed with judicial approval. The data show that 3,853 children were married between 2000 and 2010.
    Data after 2010 excludes New York City, where statistics are kept separately. Still, the state data show that in 2011 alone, a 14-year-old married a 26-year-old, a 15-year-old was wed to a 28-year-old, another 15-year-old was wed to a 25-year-old and a 15-year-old married someone age “35 to 39.” All of those marriages were approved by New York judges.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/opinion/americas-child-marriage-problem.html?_r=0

  253. Oops, the first paragraph shoulda read :”
    Your logic is that since child marriage is illegal in Israel, though it happens still in Israel and in the diaspora, we’ll just ignore its occurrences and go with the fact that on the books, at least, it is illegal.
    And yet, you are eager to dismiss that same benefit of the doubt to any muslim society where it happens.
    I agree with you that Pakistan is an idiotic country to make it a law, but compare it to Israel where it is not the law BUT still happens. Compare it to the US where it is not the law but still happens.
    ——————————-

    Child abuse: Jewish cult investigated
    AN extremist ultra-Orthodox Jewish group has been raided by police in Montreal, Canada, in what is thought to be an investigation into child marriages – and an Ontario judge has upheld a Quebec court’s ruling that 14 children from the haredi Lev Tahor (Pure Heart) cult must be placed into temporary foster care.
    However, the judge put a 30-day stay in place to give the children’s families time to appeal. Child protection officials in Quebec previously presented the Quebec court with evidence of neglect, psychological abuse, poor dental hygiene, poor physical health, the lack of secular education and child marriages.
    But the 250-member cult fled Quebec for rural Ontario in November just before the judge’s order removing the children was issued.
    Lev Tahor’s spokesmen have denied the allegations and claims Quebec officials are working with Israel in a Zionist plot to destroy Lev Tahor.
    Last week, Quebec police and local Chatham, Ontario police raided two Lev Tahor homes and removed at least one box of evidence.
    Rabbi Nachman Helbrans, son of Lev Tahor’s founder, convicted kidnapper Rabbi Shlomo Helbrans who has fled to Iran with some cult members, reportedly said the search could have been an attempt to find evidence of illegal child marriages.
    Shlomo Helbrans was accused of child abuse and kidnapping in Israel and in the United States before fleeing to Canada.
    A while back his wife Malka alleged that she’d almost been beaten to death by Hebrans’ followers.
    The trouble for the rabbi’s wife began after she voiced opposition to the rampant child abuse going on in the community.
    The main reason for my sufferings is the fact that I dared to voice opposition to the punishments that are being used in the village.
    Punishments included beatings of children, forced marriages between members of the community, marriage of minors as young as 14, achieving compliance through pain, denial of food, violent separation between parents and children from the age of six months, complete isolation from family in Israel, and more.

  254. @Ken Rogers

    This blogging is getting very time consuming but here we go..

    “KR: What “is simply not true”? Hersh was reporting what the intelligence estimate found, i.e., that Obama’s STATED goal of arming “moderate” Syrian rebels was being undercut by Turkey’s arming radical jihadists in Syria, who were co-opting or absorbing (or killing) the moderates.”

    The keyword is STATED goal.
    http://thesaker.is/week-four-of-the-russian-intervention-in-syria-assessing-the-vienna-declaration/

    US actions/policies/goals US official policy on Syria

    Full military support for Daesh Categorical opposition to Daesh
    Promotion of a Wahabi regime Promotion of a secular regime
    Breakup of Syria Maintaining a unitary Syria
    Destruction of the Syrian military Maintaining the Syria military
    Sabotage of all Russian efforts Collaboration with Russia
    Regime change in Iran Iran as partner

    I don’t really have the time to prove all these points. You just have to finally get that the Obama administration and every administration since JFK and probably before employs Orwellian double speak par excellence. I mean seriously, “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor” is just one of literally thousands of examples. Isn’t there some point where you have an “AHA” moment? Where you get that the truth is the OPPOSITE of what the U.S. Corporation/government main stream media mouthpiece tells the masses? If Russia is our enemy they are in fact our friend and by OUR I mean you and I.

    “KR: As I don’t recall that you’ve yet done so, how about taking this opportunity to explain what “this agenda” consists of that you’re trying to get people to “wake up to” or “get”?”

    There are literally hundreds if not thousands of articles, papers, documents, videos, interviews I could post here under the heading of The New World Order, Global Governance, False Flag Terror Events, Fascism 101, Tyranny 101, The History of Humanity….5000 wars, The Fall of the Roman Empire, JFK assassination, the Khazarian Mafia, The Rothschild/J.P. Morgan/Bush Cabal….Endgame, The Obama Deception, 1984, The Rand Corporation Stability Police Force for the United States and on and on and on….

    List of 56 false flag attacks
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/11/the-first-question-to-ask-after-any-terror-attack-was-it-a-false-flag.html

    You’re going to have to enter that rabbit hole on your own or stay there at the door asking for more and more proof that it exists, when the evidence is hiding in plain sight. I’ve already posted so many good resources..

    Sorry, I wish I had endless patience…

  255. Randy, I am hereby taking back any compliment I have ever paid you…this was the dumbest post I have read this side of bambam’s.
    Your attacking Arabic as the language of the quran and of the religion reveals that you really do not have a real argument.
    Wow,…frankly, I am shocked and disappointed. I mean, the examples abound of sacred language used in rituals, including ALL houses of worship… even some Christian churches speak in tongues for the sacred language enhances the ritual…
    Have you ever recited the quran? Do you know that it is the most complex yet efficient language on earth?
    That it is poetic language? That it rhymes and therefore sustains the spiritual and the transcendence?

    Why is the Qur’an a Miracle?

    What makes the Qur’an a miracle, is that it is impossible for a human being to compose something like it, as it lies outside the productive capacity of the nature of the Arabic language. The productive capacity of nature, concerning the Arabic language, is that any grammatically sound expression of the Arabic language will always fall with-in the known Arabic literary forms of prose and poetry. All of the possible combinations of Arabic words, letters and grammatical rules have been exhausted and yet its literary form has not been matched linguistically. The Arabs, who were known to have been Arabic linguists par excellence, failed to successfully challenge the Qur’an. Forster Fitzgerald Arbuthnot, who was a notable British Orientalist and translator, states:

    “…and that though several attempts have been made to produce a work equal to it as far as elegant writing is concerned, none has as yet succeeded.”[11]

    The implication of this is that there is no link between the Qur’an and the Arabic language; however this seems impossible because the Qur’an is made up of the Arabic language. On the other hand, every combination of Arabic words and letters have been used to try and imitate the Qur’an. Therefore, this leaves only one conclusion; a Divine explanation is the only coherent explanation for this impossible Arabic literary form – the Qur’an. Hence, it logically follows that if the Qur’an is a literary event that lies outside the productive capacity of the Arabic language, i.e. an impossibility, then by definition, it is a miracle.

    The challenge in the Qur’an

    In the following verses Allah has challenged the whole of mankind to try and produce a single chapter like the Qur’an. This challenge, which has remained unmet, captivated the minds of the Arabs at the time of revelat-ion. They rationally assessed that if an Arab cannot challenge the Qur’an and nor could a non-Arab, then the only source of the Qur’an is the Creator. The Qur’an states:

    “If you are in doubt of what We have revealed to Our Messenger, then produce one chapter like it, call upon all your helpers, besides Allah, if you are truthful.” Surah al-Baqarah (The Heifer) 2: 23.

    “Or do they say: “He (Prophet Muhammad, ) has forged it (this Qur’an)?” Nay! They believe not! Let them then produce a recitation like it (the Qur’an) if they are truthful.” Surah at-Toor (The Mount) 52: 33-34.

    According to Qur’anic commentators such as Ibn Kathir, Suyuti and Ibn Abbas, these verses issue a challenge to produce a chapter that imitates the unique literary form of the Qur’an.[12] The tools needed to meet this challenge are the finite grammatical rules and the twenty eight letters that make-up the Arabic alphabet; these are independent and objective measures available to all. The fact that it has not been matched since it was revealed does not surprise scholars familiar with the Arabic language and that of the Qur’an.

    The Qur’an was revealed over 1430 years ago and the challenge to produce something like the Qur’an has remained to this day. Throughout the centuries, thinkers, poets, theologians and literary critics have attempted to challenge the Qur’an. Some of these challengers in the past have included: Musaylamah; Ibn Al-Mukaffa; Yahya ibn Al-Hakam al-Ghazal; Sayyid ‘Ali Muhammad; Bassar ibn Burd.

    Without going into an extensive analysis of why Muslim and non-Muslim scholars have agreed that those who have attempted to challenge the Qur’an have failed, the following summary should suffice. Even though the challengers have had the same set of ‘tools’, which are the twenty eight Arabic letters, finite grammatical rules and the blue print of the challenge – which is the Qur’an itself; they have failed to:

    1. Replicate the Qur’an’s literary form
    2. Match the unique linguistic nature of the Qur’an
    3. Select and arrange words like that of the Qur’an
    4. Select and arrange similar grammatical particles
    5. Match the Qur’an’s superior eloquence and sound
    6. Equal the frequency of rhetorical devices
    7. Match the level of content and informativeness
    8. Equal the Qur’an’s conciseness and flexibility
    hamzatzortzis.com/essays-articles/exploring-the-quran/the-inimitable-quran/

    And what does it have to do with English being the official language of the world?
    Can English do this?

  256. Randy, don’t just take my words for it
    —————————————–
    Divine words: what role does language learning play in religious practice?
    For many, developing an understanding of a religion extends to learning its associated language. We spoke to those learning Arabic, Hebrew and classical Tibetan Buddhist
    Does relying on a translations of a religious text get in the way of practising a faith?
    “Silence is the language of God, all else is poor translation,” Sufi mystic Rumi once said.

    Words are, however, a way for the worldly to connect with the divine through prayer and worship. For many, developing a greater understanding of a religion extends not only to studying the theological and philosophical points but to learning another language. We spoke to three people studying Arabic, Hebrew and classical Tibetan about the role languages play in their relationship with religion.

    Hebrew and Judaism
    Retiree Anne Evans decided to learn Hebrew as a way to reconnect with her Jewish heritage after the death of her parents. Although not particularly religious, the Holocaust survivors from Lithuania proudly maintained their Jewish traditions. Wanting to do something that brought her closer to them she enrolled on a Hebrew course at the Spiro Ark school for Jewish education.

    The language, she claims, is intimately involved in an understanding of the religion, with word stems allowing a whole philosophy to be found in a single term. Take the word barmitzvah, for example. The word literally means “son of the commandment” and is used to refer to a Jewish boy’s coming of age ceremony. However, the stem “mitzvah” on its own has deeper layers of meaning, referring to the 613 commandments given in the Torah at biblical Mount Sinai and the seven rabbinic commandments instituted later. It is also used to refer to a good deed.

    Evans feels overwhelmed by the sense of history she feels when reciting the passover prayers in Hebrew which have been memorised and spoken by Jews from Russia to Afghanistan for thousands of years: “That has made me not devout but truly proud to be Jewish, truly gobsmacked by it all.”

    Nitza Spiro, director of the Spiro Ark school, says she has seen a large increase in the number of people wishing to learn both biblical and modern Hebrew. Spiro agrues that language is central to Jewish identity and its resilience. “Books meant our spirit, our hope, our outlook on life, our morality, our ability to argue about issues which are higher than the daily mundane things,” says Spiro. “Without it [Hebrew] you don’t have the tools to understand what it is to be a Jew.”

    Arabic and Islam
    Just as Hebrew has helped preserve Jewish religion and culture for generations, the Islamic intellectual, legal and social heritage has been transmitted for centuries in Arabic. All Muslims are not only required to recite daily prayers in Arabic, but they must have a minimum amount of the Qur’an memorised for the purposes of prayer and worship.

    London-based Imam, Shafiur Rahman, believes learning the language would help prevent any dangerous misinterpretations of the holy book. While there are parts of the Qur’an which are open to interpretation, Arabic scholars have developed sciences around grammar, syntax, and rhetoric which ensure followers don’t extrapolate meanings from the book which weren’t intended. The word “jihad”, for example, is often translated as “holy war” but actually means “struggling” or “surviving”.

    Despite the importance placed by Islam on learning Arabic, Rahman claims there is a tremendous disconnect between the generation of today, especially in the west, and this heritage.

    He says: “There would be a much better understanding of what Islam is, how the original community around the prophet Muhammad understood Islam and how subsequent generations developed their understanding according to context and situation, if more Muslims learned Arabic.”

    Classical Tibetan and Buddhism
    For Tibetan Buddhist Lydia Polzer, learning a foreign language has become an integral part of her religious practice. Polzer first became interested in the eastern tradition a decade ago after attending meditation courses at the Kagyu Samye Dzong Tibetan centre in London. What started as a curiosity about the benefits of mindfulness quickly developed into a greater involvement with some of the more complex Buddhist rituals.

    Tibetan Buddhism first put down roots in the UK in the 60s, with the founding of Kagyu Samye Ling monastery in Scotland in 1967, and the tradition’s mother tongue is still preferred by both western monastic and lay practitioners for recitation of prayers during these practices.

    Polzer explains that while a transliteration of the Tibetan script is provided, she yearned for the alien prose to trip effortlessly off her tongue and understand what she was chanting without having to keep one eye on the English translation. With a group of other eager practitioners, she started to learn the language through online Skype lessons for colloquial speaking and by attending workshops in classical Tibetan with a native speaker at the centre.

    “For me it is about appreciating the culture and having respect for the Tibetan teachers who visit us,” she says. “I want to understand first-hand and not rely on translators.”

    Whether it’s for better job prospects, travel or the desire to become closer to your significant other, there are a myriad of reasons why people learn a foreign language. For many, however, it is an opportunity to connect with their beliefs and culture on a deeper level, developing an understanding which they believe transcends words and speech.
    http://www.theguardian.com/education/2014/nov/10/language-learning-for-religious-reasons

  257. Multiculturalism Trumps Protecting Women from Rape
    In the competition between multiculturalism and one of the most elementary instincts and obligations of higher civilization, higher civilization lost.
    January 13, 2016
    Dennis Prager

    Since the scores of New Year’s Eve sexual attacks on German women by hundreds of men identified as Arab or North African, the left in Germany has faced a dilemma: which to fight for first — women’s human rights or multiculturalism?

    This was the same dilemma that faced British authorities between 1997 and 2013. During those six years at least 1,400 girls from the age of 11 in just one English city (Rotherham, population 275,000) were raped by gangs of men, nearly all of whom were immigrants (mostly from Pakistan) or their sons.

    But British authorities kept silent. Why?

    In 2014, the reason finally was revealed: The perpetrators were Muslim, and British authorities were therefore afraid to publicize — or often even investigate — the crimes. They feared being branded Islamophobic and racist. Politicians on the left and right acknowledged this fact.

    As I wrote in a column in 2014:

    “In 2002, a Labor Party MP from nearby Keighley, Ann Cryer, complained to the police about ‘young Asian lads’ raping girls in her constituency. In her words, she ‘was shunned by elements of her party.’ And note, that as is demanded by the left in the UK, she didn’t even mention that the rapists were Pakistani, lest Muslims be blamed for this evil. They were ‘Asian lads.’”

    The British Home Secretary, Theresa May, told Parliament that “institutionalized political correctness” was responsible for the lack of attention given to the mass rape.

    In other words, between protecting over a thousand girls from repeated gang rape and protecting Muslims from being identified as the rapists, British authorities chose to protect multiculturalism and “diversity.” In the competition between multiculturalism and one of the most elementary instincts and obligations of higher civilization — the protection of girls and women from sexual violence — higher civilization lost.

    The U.K. is of course not alone in having multiculturalism and the fear of being branded racist or Islamophobic take precedence over protecting girls and women. Some German authorities’ reaction to the events of New Year’s Eve in Cologne exemplified this.

    After the attacks in Cologne, the mayor of Cologne suggested, in the words of The New York Times, “that women can protect themselves from men on the streets by keeping them more than an arm’s length away.”

    In the mayor’s words: “It is always possible to keep a certain distance that is longer than an arm’s length.”

    Aside from the moral foolishness of the comment, it is factually incorrect. It is often impossible to keep an arm’s length distance from others — as, for example, on a crowded bus or train, or, as in Cologne on New Year’s Eve, on crowded streets.

    It is important to note two things about the mayor. One is that she has been among Germany’s most vociferous advocates of accepting 800,000 Syrian refugees into Germany.

    The other is that she is a woman.

    One would assume that a woman would instinctively wholly condemn the sexual predators rather than lecture women on the distance they should always keep from men in order to avoid being attacked. But the mayor, like the British authorities, has opted for multiculturalism over human and women’s rights, for fighting Islamophobia over fighting to protect women.

    A related example is Ralf Jaeger, the interior minister of North Rhine-Westphalia state, the German state in which Cologne is located. The left-wing minister said: “What happens on the right-wing platforms and in chat rooms is at least as awful as the acts of those assaulting the women.”

    All the isms of the left — multiculturalism, feminism, environmentalism, socialism, Marxism, egalitarianism — distort the individual’s and society’s moral compass. But, as the minister’s comments make clear, none do so more than the left’s loathing of conservatives and conservative values.

    As with multiculturalism, a left-wing priority — in this case destroying the right — has distorted the left’s moral compass. How could anyone in his right mind write that right-wing platforms and chat rooms are “at least as awful” as women being sexually attacked and even raped by gangs of men? The answer is that you cannot be in your right mind; you have to be in your left mind.

  258. CAIR Caught Lying About Philly Cop Shooter Not Going to Mosque
    January 13, 2016
    Daniel Greenfield

    CAIR’s Big Lie technique is just to get ahead of the story by spreading their quotes without worrying what happens when it gets disproven. Considering the public’s attention span and the media’s dishonesty, this no doubt works to some degree. There are probably plenty of Americans who still think that San Bernardino was a workplace argument that got out of hand.

    Nickarama at Weasel Zippers shoots up another CAIR lie about the “In Allah’s Name” cop shooter in Philly.

    “At this hour, it does not appear that he was an observant or mosque-going Muslim” in the local community, said Jacob Bender, executive director of the Philadelphia Chapter of the Council on American–Islamic Relations.

    “I’ve called numerous imams and mosques to try to see if the name rings a bell with anyone. So far it hasn’t,” he told Reuters in an interview.

    But Natalie King, one of Archer’s neighbors, said that he was seen going to the mosque every Friday night.

    But of course it’s not hard to get the results you want to provide plausible deniability for a claim like that.

    Every Muslim terrorism is invariably described as not really going to mosque or being part of a Muslim community because that provides support for CVE and the idea that the way to fight Muslim terrorism is with Islamic indoctrination and that mosque attendance and Islam don’t contribute to Islamic terrorism.

    That’s the mangled mindset that led the mayor of Philly to insist that a man who shot a police officer in Allah’s name had nothing to do with Islam.

  259. Bam, every friday night? No one is at the mosque on friday nights?
    You sure she did not mean friday midday? That is the communal prayer.
    If he was going friday nights, no wonder no one knows him, he was alone there:)

  260. Dalia Mogahed: Mainstreaming Islamic Oppression

    Sharia advocate goes on the Daily Show to explain why Islamic oppression of women is, hey, really cool.

    January 15, 2016

    Robert Spencer

    Dalia Mogahed, formerly Barack Obama’s adviser on Muslim affairs, appeared on Trevor Noah’s sinking-like-a-stone Daily Show last week, to explain to a worshipful Noah and an adoring audience that the hijab represented nothing more or less than the “privatization of women’s sexuality” – and who on earth but the most benighted lout could possibly be against that? The burning outrage of Mogahed’s words was probably missed by most Daily Show viewers. It should not be missed by FrontPage readers.

    “The privatization of women’s sexuality.” A well-constructed and extraordinarily clever phrase, to be sure. With it, Mogahed suggests that the only people who could possibly object to women wearing hijabs are those who want to objectify women as sexual commodities. In this, we glimpse the subtle manipulation by which Islamic supremacists such as Mogahed have co-opted and silenced feminists whom one might otherwise have expected to have stood up against the Sharia oppression of women. How can one stand with the objectifiers, the pornographers, the users, the haters, against those who simply want to “privatize” their sexuality?

    The audience loved this. Noah ate it up. But there are a few audiences before whom Mogahed’s extremely clever act might not play quite as well as it did before the Daily Show. Aqsa Parvez’s Muslim father choked her to death with her hijab after she refused to wear it. Aqsa might have a few choice words for Dalia Mogahed about “privatization” of her sexuality. And then there was Amina Muse Ali, who was a Christian woman in Somalia whom Muslims murdered because she wasn’t wearing a hijab. Forty women were murdered in Iraq in 2007 for not wearing the hijab. They might wish that their sexuality had been a trifle less “privatized” – at least enough for them to be able to continue to breathe air.

    Will Dalia Mogahed and Trevor Noah get together on another Daily Show episode to say a few words in memory of Aqsa, Amina, and the forty Iraqi women? Will they honor the memory of Amira, an Egyptian girl who committed suicide after being brutalized for her family for refusing to “privatize” her sexuality and wear the hijab? Will they defend the freedom of Alya Al-Safar, whose Muslim cousin threatened to kill her and harm her family because she stopped privatizing her sexuality and wearing the hijab in Britain? Will they speak up for the Saudi schoolgirls who were burnt alive because firefighters wouldn’t enter their burning school since they weren’t wearing hijab, i.e., their sexuality was insufficiently privatized?

    When will we see the Daily Show episode on Amira Osman Hamid, who faces whipping in Sudan for refusing to wear the hijab? Will we hear about the sexuality privatization of the Muslim and non-Muslim teachers at the Islamic College of South Australia who were told that they had to wear the hijab or be fired? How about the women in Chechnya whom police shot with paintballs because they weren’t wearing hijab; or the women also in Chechnya who were threatened by men with automatic rifles for not wearing hijab; or the elementary school teachers in Tunisia who were threatened with death for not wearing hijab; or the Syrian schoolgirls who were forbidden to go to school unless they wore hijab; or the women in Gaza whom Hamas has forced to wear hijab; or the women in Iran who protested against the regime by daring to take off their legally-required hijab; or the women in London whom Muslim thugs threatened to murder if they didn’t wear hijab; or the anonymous young Muslim woman who doffed her hijab outside her home and started living a double life in fear of her parents? When is the Daily Show episode scheduled about the hazards that lie in the way of women who refuse to “privatize their sexuality”? When will Dalia Mogahed and Trevor Noah spare a few words for these and all the other women and girls who have been killed or threatened, or who live in fear for daring not to wear the hijab?

    Dalia Mogahed has done this before. Several years ago she appeared on a British TV show sponsored by the pro-Sharia group Hizb ut-Tahrir and proclaimed: “Sharia is not well understood and Islam as a faith is not well understood.” Who has misunderstood Sharia and Islam, O Ms. Privatized Mogahed? Was it Aqsa Parvez, who might perhaps have believed the establishment codswallop about Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance long enough to think that she might survive into adulthood even while not wearing hijab? Was it any of these other women and girls who might have had a different understanding from that of Ms. Mogahed of the “privatization” of their sexuality, and didn’t deserve to have Ms. Mogahed’s view violently enforced upon them?

    Mogahed added on the Hizb ut-Tahrir show that we have erroneously associated Sharia with “maximum criminal punishments” and “laws that… to many people seem unequal to women.” “Seem unequal”? The next time a young man is brutally murdered by his family to cleanse the family “honor,” call my office. Until then, the fact is undeniable: the path to Mogahed’s “privatization of women’s sexuality” is littered with the mangled bodies of those women and girls whose sexuality was deemed insufficiently privatized. For Mogahed and Noah so glibly to gloss over that fact was tantamount to dancing on their graves.

  261. Yeah, another commentary by our friend Daniel Greenbeans! I missed him, bam, thanks.

    But…man…I went directly to the source http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer…instead of the commentaries by the national revew, PCwatch and any other website with a bias against muslims and a bent for offending others.
    Nowhere did I see the following :”During those six years at least 1,400 girls from the age of 11 in just one English city (Rotherham, population 275,000) were raped by gangs of men, nearly all of whom were immigrants (mostly from Pakistan) or their sons, instead, I see this “They said the girls were being used for sex by them and handed around – not as prostitutes, but were being handed around the families of these lads. This was underage sex. These girls were well below 16.
    …So she asked a friend, a Muslim councillor of Pakistani heritage, to approach the elders at the mosque with a list of 35 names and addresses of the alleged perpetrators.
    …In 2004, five of the 35 men were sent to prison.

    Now, don’t get me wrong, that is bad enough, but a very far cry from 1400 girls…11….gangs …pakistanis….
    Then again, what else to expect from our friend bam and her “sources”?
    Here is the link. You are welcome, bam:)
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/30/rotherham-girls-could-have-been-spared-ann-cryer

  262. Bam, you do know that quoting Rober Spencer undermines whatever claim you are making?
    It is akin to me quoting Hamas about Israel!
    I mean,quoting the leading islamophobe to make a point against Islam? Really?
    Who next, Pamella Geller?

    Are you saying that a well-educated, smart and qualified woman like Dalia should not be allowed to speak on her faith and what she finds in it?
    She is not smart enough to speak on herself?
    Robert Spencer,a man, should have more right to speak on Dalia than she does on herself?
    What type of misogyny is this?
    Says something about you that you would side with a man against a woman (if indeed you are a woman???!!!!!)
    By the way, when did she ever support shariah law? I am awaiting your proof.

    Only a hateful, dark, dark heart and mind would find something to say agaisnt this:
    http://www.cc.com/video-clips/ju44t3/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-dalia-mogahed—understanding-american-muslims-and-the-media-s-coverage-of-terrorism

  263. @Hildegard
    1, January 16, 2016 at 2:45 pm
    “You’re going to have to enter that rabbit hole on your own or stay there at the door asking for more and more proof that it exists, when the evidence is hiding in plain sight. I’ve already posted so many good resources.”

    Please note that you still haven’t indicated what “it” is in the sentence above.

    Unless you can concretely describe what it is that you want people to wake up to or get, you’re just indulging in emotional venting about some vague, undefined, giant Evil Plot.

    To the extent that you’re doing so, you’re actually providing cover to those with a vested interest in labeling legitimate, evidence-based criticisms of specific malefaction in high places as “wild-eyed conspiracy theory.”

    Try pausing your self-righteous impatience, Hildy, lest people be tempted to dismiss you as many have your political hero, Donald Trump:

    “Donald Trump said last night that despite calling Ted Cruz a ‘maniac,’ he has since learned that Cruz has a ‘wonderful temperament.’ And if Donald Trump thinks you have a ‘wonderful temperament,’ you’re probably a maniac.” –Seth Meyers
    :)

  264. Try reading this article Ken, or just have it your way.

    The article link has the word sh*t in it without the asterisk, which might explain why I’ve been unsuccessful in posting it. So you’ll need to simply search on the article name: The Brutal Onslaught of Bullsh*t

    I don’t think it’s really going to help, though. The “IT” I’m talking about cannot be condensed into one link or a sound bite. You seem to want a predigested or Readers Digest version. Sorry about that. I tried….

  265. Hildegard: “I’ve made three unsuccessful attempts to post comments. What’s up Mr. Moderator?”
    ~+~
    The filter picked it up due to prohibited word usage

  266. Liars or Fools: Which Govern America?

    It’s one or the other when it comes to the mainstream narrative on Islam.

    January 15, 2016

    Raymond Ibrahim

    When it comes to the connection between Islam and “anti-infidel” violence, one fact must be embraced: the majority of those in positions of leadership and authority in America are either liars or fools, or both. No other alternative exist.

    The reason for this uncharitable assertion is simple: If Islam was once a faraway, exotic religion, now hardly a day goes by without Americans hearing calls for, and seeing acts of, violence committed in the name of Islam. If our leaders don’t, many of us still have “ears that hear and eyes that see” (Proverbs 20:12).

    Today, Muslims from all around the world and from all walks of life unequivocally and unapologetically proclaim that Islam commands them to kill or subjugate all who resist it—including all non-Muslims.

    This message is hardly limited to jihadi groups like the Islamic State. It’s the official position of several Muslim governments (including America’s closest “friends and allies,” like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as demonstrated in a forthcoming article); it’s the official position of Islamic institutions of lower and higher learning, including Al Azhar, the world’s most prestigious Islamic university; and it’s the official position broadcast in numerous languages on Islamic satellite stations.

    In short, there’s no excuse for ignorance about Islam in America—especially if you hold a position of leadership or authority. Yet it is precisely those in such positions who vehemently deny any connection between Islam and violence. Why?

    The most recent example took place on January 7. Edward Archer, a convert to Islam, shot and wounded Philadelphia police officer Jesse Hartnett. He later explained his motivation: “I follow Allah. I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic state. That is why I did what I did.”

    Yet after showing a surveillance video of Archer in Islamic dress shooting at Hartnett, Philadelphia mayor Jim Kenney emphatically declared:

    In no way shape or form does anyone in this room believe that Islam or the teaching of Islam has anything to do with what you’ve seen on the screen….It is abhorrent. It is terrible and it does not represent the religion or any of its teachings. This is a criminal with a stolen gun who tried to kill one of our officers. It has nothing to do with being a Muslim or following the Islamic faith.

    Kenney’s assertions are either the product of an addled brain or calculated lies. Take your pick, but there are no other alternatives.

    If those running the show still don’t “get it,” the overwhelming majority of Americans have by now learned, in Donald Trump’s words, that “there’s something going on” with Islam, “You see the hatred. I mean, we see it every day.”

    “We see it every day” is absolutely correct—hence why those who deny it must either be liars or fools. (See “Muslim Persecution of Christians,” reports which I’ve been compiling every month since July 2011, and witness the nonstop violence and carnage committed against non-Muslim minorities living under Islam.)

    Still, Kenney’s falsehoods and/or foolishness are mainstream. Most politicians—practically every democrat but also a majority of republicans—makes the same claims, beginning with U.S. President Obama who insists that the Islamic State “is not Islamic,” calls for the “rejection by non-Muslims of the ignorance that equates Islam with terror,” and classified the Fort Hood massacre as “workplace violence,” despite the overwhelming evidence that it was jihad.

    More recently, democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton admonished us to get aboard the wishful thinking bandwagon: “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.” Republican leaders like John McCain say that “unequivocally, without a doubt, the religion of Islam is an honorable and reasonable religion. ISIS has nothing to do with the reality of Islam.” “Conservative” talking heads like Bill O’Reilley flippantly dismiss jihad as “a perversion of Islam, we all know that.”

    And so it goes. In the context of the most recent slaughter of Americans at the hands of Muslims—one last December and one last November, both in California—the usual chorus of politicians, media, and others made the same tired claims.

    Despite the evidence that the Muslim couple that massacred 14 people in San Bernardino was motivated by Islamic teachings of jihad against the hated “infidel,” Obama claimed “We do not know their motivations.” Chris Hayes and MSNBC were also “baffled” in their search for a motive.

    Despite the many indicators that the Muslim student who went on a stabbing spree in UC Merced was motivated by Islam—he was described as a “devout Muslim,” had an ISIS flag, and praised Allah in his manifesto—“local and federal authorities continue to insist that Faisal Mohammad, 18, carried out the vicious attack because he’d been banished from a study group.”

    In response, the father of Byron Price, who was stabbed while defending some Merced victims, observed that, “Everyone is afraid to be politically incorrect… [I]t seems like to me we aren’t getting the whole story. I just wonder how much of this is driven from way higher up and is politically driven — I just don’t know.”

    Unfortunately, it was one thing to be politically correct when America existed in a utopian bubble away from all the nastiness “over there,” but to be politically correct at this late hour when the tentacles of the global jihad are well entrenched in America is suicidal, literally.

    Either way, political correctness is a fancy way of saying “lying”— bringing us right back to our question and a final observation: It doesn’t matter if those running the show are liars or fools, for at day’s end, the result is the same: the world’s strongest nation lays paralyzed before a vicious threat that grows more emboldened by the day.

  267. Bam, you keep offering the same articles under various headings…we need to be afraid of islam…but liberals are not stating the danger…
    Please offer something new.
    I have noticed you failed to address any of my counters to your previous posts, do you treat your children the way you treat your arguments, throw them out and never follow up on them ?:)

    How interesting that he states “Today, Muslims from all around the world and from all walks of life unequivocally and unapologetically proclaim that Islam commands them to kill or subjugate all who resist it—including all non-Muslims.
    This message is hardly limited to jihadi groups like the Islamic State. It’s the official position of several Muslim governments (including America’s closest “friends and allies,” like Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as demonstrated in a forthcoming article); it’s the official position of Islamic institutions of lower and higher learning, including Al Azhar, the world’s most prestigious Islamic university; and it’s the official position broadcast in numerous languages on Islamic satellite stations.
    , but rather than supporting his argument, he offers this as demonstrated in a forthcoming article).
    Well, I call BS on that.
    By the way, Israel has vowed to destroy anyone who is not a Jew, including Christians, to hang and quarter them, then have sex with their corpses (as demonstrated in a forthcoming article). See how easy it is to do?

    If your argument is that political correctness has gone amok, please remember that when people claim the right to be as anti-Semitic as they wish based on anti-political correctness. It will happen…no attack on the other goes long before it be an attack on Jews. No worries though, come to me and I’ll save you as Jews were saved by Muslims throughout history:)

  268. Defending Against Dhimmitude In France

    French mayor denounces Muslim offer to protect church at Christmas.

    January 4, 2016

    Stephen Brown

    The mayor of the southern French city of Beziers is facing heavy criticism and accusations of racism after sharply denouncing a Muslim group’s offer to protect a church during a Christmas midnight mass.

    R obert Menard, elected mayor of Beziers’ 72,000 inhabitants in 2014 with the support of France’s nationalist party, Front National, didn’t pull any punches when condemning the Muslim initiative. Responding on the city’s website on December 26 in an entry titled “Muslim Guard: What Is the State Doing?” he wrote:

    “A Muslim guard ‘protecting’ a Catholic church. Against whom? Hordes of Buddhist monks? Siberian shamans? Who are they mocking here? And where is this country going? Since when do the arsonists protect against fires?”

    Menard, the former head of the respected ‘Reporters Without Borders’ organization, later pointed out that the proposal was simply a “foretaste of the Lebanisation of France” and that the Muslim group making the offer is led by “two activists known for their fundamentalist and anti-Israeli stances.” Menard stated the Muslim group made the same offer at the city’s 13th-century cathedral, adding he will inform police about this ‘Muslim guard’.

    As expected, besides Muslims, France’s liberals and leftists were highly indignant, to say the least, that Menard had compared Muslims to arsonists. One group, SOS Racisme, said it will launch a complaint, calling Menard’s choice of words “insulting,” and accused him of wanting “to whip up hatred against Muslims.”

    France’s interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, a member of the ruling Socialist Party that relies on the Muslim vote at election time, also entered the fray. On Twitter, the minister expressed his “respect for the Muslims who protected the churches at Christmas.”

    One such church in Lens was reported to have “particularly appreciated” the Muslim presence. At the end of the mass, the priest invited the Muslims to come to the altar in order to hand them “the light of Bethlehem, the symbol of peace,” while the congregation applauded (see video here).

    It’s too bad the priest didn’t ask them to also spread this message of peace among their Muslim co-religionists in present-day Bethlehem where Christians are persecuted.

    Menard is no stranger to controversy. For example, after his fifth victory in court against France’s main human rights organization, the League of the Rights of Man (LRM), he had a photo published in the Bezier journal of a man spanking a woman, taken from the 1924 movie Girl Shy. Menard titled it: “Judicial Spanking: The LRM is visibly acquiring a taste here.” Underneath was written: Mayor of Beziers 5, LRM 0.

    Naturally, Menard’s tongue-in-cheek choice of photos produced leftist outrage and accusations from French feminists that he was inciting violence against women.

    This, and other politically incorrect actions by Menard, have angered France’s ‘bien-pensants’ (good-thinkers) to the point where socialist deputies in France’s National Assembly called last September for his removal from office. But after calling his socialist critics “completely stupid,” Menard stated: “It is time they understand that democracy is not reserved only for their friends.”

    Menard believes the Muslim group approached the Beziers church at Christmas not because it wanted to help prevent Islamic terrorist attacks, like the ones that left 148 dead in France in 2015, but rather because of his own security initiative that would see an unarmed, but uniformed, volunteer force of citizens assist police. It would patrol streets and stand watch at buildings, connected to police headquarters by walkie-talkies.

    City council had approved the creation of Menard’s ‘garde biterroise’, as it is called, shortly before Christmas. This new, volunteer force, Menard said, will remain in existence as long as France is under a state of emergency, declared after the November 13 Paris terrorist attack.

    But a more sinister motive can be detected behind the seemingly “brotherly” Muslim offer to protect churches than simply a political manoeuvre to counter to Menard’s security initiative. First, some interpret as a provocation the fact that Muslim fundamentalists would pose as protectors of churches, especially on French soil, after the terrorism France experienced this past year.

    Even more disturbing, by accepting the Muslim offer, France’s churches would simply be descending another step downwards towards their dhimmitude and that of their country. They would eventually resemble churches in Muslim countries that have to pay the special tax, the ‘jizya’, in order to survive (Even then, these churches still suffer attacks and burnings). One parish in a Danish city already pays Muslims to guard their church and cars during services, and even the parishioners themselves, against attacks by Muslim thugs.

    The ‘garde musulmane’ concept is also socially divisive and therefore damaging. Especially after the 2015 terrorist carnage, such offers of protection would only serve to divide the two religious communities even more. Some could regard a Muslim protective force as offensive, since it infers Christians are too weak to protect themselves.

    It is also unlikely that the sight of Muslim “protectors” would reassure all church-goers, possibly even scaring some. After all, which faith community is more likely to produce killers armed with kalashnikovs? And possibly use a security force as camouflage for a church attack? Besides, would Muslims like to see groups of Christians standing guard outside their mosques?

    Rather than providing ‘protection’ to churches, it would serve community and inter-religious relations in France much better if French Muslims and their leftist allies, like SOS Racisme, would condemn and demonstrate massively against Christian persecution and attacks on churches in Muslim countries as well as against the murderous terrorist attacks in France. Such actions would definitely help people accept as sincere Muslim attempts to improve relations between the two communities.

    In addition, instead of standing in front of churches, it would be time better spent if Muslim ‘protectors’ demonstrated in front of radical French mosques and Salafist prayer rooms where terrorists are produced. They could also constantly check to discover whether radicals are infiltrating other mosques, and identify and demand that dangerous, hate-spewing imams be deported.

    The Muslim offer to protect churches does, however, serve one good purpose: It shows how bad the situation really is. French churches are in such danger of jihadi attacks that even Muslims believe they now need protection. The fact that Cazaneuve lauded Muslim ‘protectors’ indicates that he also believes churches are facing a threat.

    Even more ominous, Cazaneuve’s tweet shows that the government, which should be the sole body responsible for state security, including that of churches, has abdicated that responsibility. Instead, he prefers to show respect to Muslim ‘protectors’ for what his government should itself be doing. Both the Catholic faithful and Muslim fundamentalists could interpret his actions as signs of state weakness.

    But what can one expect from a government whose socialist prime minister, Manuel Valls, told graduating high school students earlier this year that they “will have to get used to living with the threat of terrorist attacks for a long period of time.” Which constitutes an admission of failure, even of defeat.

    Facing such a state security failure, more French towns and cities should follow Menard’s lead and set up their own auxiliary security forces. Their inhabitants, of all religious faiths, could only appreciate more security after the horrific events of 2015. And thanks to Menard’s security initiative, for Beziers, the scoreboard should now read: Citizens 6, Socialist Incompetents 0.

  269. Damned if you …damned if you don’t… at least the Church goers appreciated it:) h t t p://w w w dot huffingtonpost dot com/2013/10/08/muslims-form-human-chain-pakistan_n_4057381.html

    JERUSALEM — Every Christian knows the holiest places in Christendom are in Jerusalem. The holiest of all, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, was erected in 325, over the site where it is believed Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead.
    Yet, few know that it is a Muslim who opens and closes the only door to this holiest of Christian sites.
    In fact, it’s two Muslims: one man from the Joudeh family and another man from the Nuseibeh family, two Jerusalem Palestinian clans who have been the custodians of the entrance to the Holy Sepulchre since the 12th century.
    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

    SOME SURPRISING AND HOPEFUL SIGNS: MUSLIMS DEFEND JEWS, JEWS DEFEND MUSLIMs

    They seem as unlikely as flowers growing among the rubble of a barren, burned-out war zone.

    Groups of Muslims protecting Jews, Christians protecting Muslims, Jews protecting Muslims, Muslims protecting Christians. People of one religion forming a protective barrier around people of another religion—who happen to be a traditional enemy.

    Sometimes they form human chains in symbolic demonstrations. Other times, they provide real protection in highly dangerous areas.

    Events involving great numbers of people get the most publicity, but there are many more acts on a smaller scale by people who are no less courageous. Our report—which is by no means comprehensive—is meant to be a reminder that humanity can bloom where you least expect it.

    Warm Feelings on a Cold Night in Norway

    On February 21, Reuters reported that more than 1,000 Muslims formed a symbolic human shield around a synagogue in Norway, chanting “No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia.” A group of young Muslims had organized the demonstration, which took place in subzero weather, in response to the recent killing of two people at a synagogue in neighboring Denmark. It was an inspiring spectacle.
    Who could not be pleased or inspired by such a thing? The American Hard Right, that’s who. From Breitbart.com:
    whowhatwhydotorg/2015/03/15/some-surprising-and-hopeful-signs-muslims-defend-jews-jews-defend-muslims/

    A 17-year-old Muslim teen has rallied hundreds of young Muslims in Oslo who say they plan to protect Jews as they pray on Sabbath in synagogue this Saturday. The group says they’ll form a “peace ring” around the Jewish house of worship in the Norwegian capital.

    Hajrad Arshad told state broadcaster NRK she initially called for 30 volunteers. Instead, at least 630 have risen to the challenge. She and her six co-organizers are part of a Facebook discussion forum called URETT AVSLØRES, “Injustice Revealed.”

    The group intends to “extinguish the prejudices people have against Jews and against Muslims,” the young activist said. “We think that after the terrorist attacks in Copenhagen, it is the perfect time for us Muslims to distance ourselves from the harassment of Jews that is happening.”

    Oslo Jewish community spokesperson Ervin Kohn welcomed the initiative, welcomed the initiative, pointing out the group was willing to defend the city’s Jews with their own bodies. “What they are showing is that if anyone wants to do anything against Jews in Norway, they ‘have to go through us first’ – and I think that’s very positive.”

    Kohn said the synagogue agreed to the initiative as long as more than 30 young Muslims showed up – because otherwise, “it may seem counterproductive. “But if you fill Bergstien (the street on which the synagogue is located),” he added, “it will be very good.”

    Arshad told Vårt Land the group had decided on the project both as “fellow human beings and Muslims in Norway, to show that Muslims distance themselves from the anti-Semitism which Jews encounter daily.”

    In a statement on the group’s Facebook, they write that “Islam is to rise above hate and never sink at the same level as the haters. [We as] Muslims wish to show that we take deep exception to all forms of hatred of Jews and that we/w w w jewishpress dot com/news/breaking-news/young-muslims-organize-to-protect-oslo-synagogue-as-jews-pray-in-norway/2015/02/18/are there to support them. This is why we shall be forming a human ring around the synagogue.”

    Muslim Woman Covers the Yellow Star of Her Jewish Neighbor with Her Veil on the Streets of Sarajevo in 1941

    Muslim woman covers the yellow star of her Jewish neighbor with her veil on the streets of Sarajevo in 1941.
    The above photo was taken in Sarajevo in 1941, showing a Muslim woman walking with her Jewish neighbor and covering her yellow star with her veil. (via. Reddit)

    “The Jewish family was actually staying with the Muslim family after their home was destroyed.

    A Muslim veiled woman, Zejneba Hardaga (right) and Jewish woman, Rivka Kalb (2nd from right) and her children (with beret) are guided on the streets of Sarajevo in 1941. Zejneba covered the yellow star on the Rivka’s left arm with her veil. Bahrija Hardasa, sister-in-law of Zejneba, is on the far left.
    http://popchassid.com/10-photos-muslim-jewish-unity/

  270. @bam bam
    1, January 16, 2016 at 5:42 pm
    “Defending Against Dhimmitude In France”

    We should also be concerned about “dimmitude,” the stupefied attitude induced by virulent hatred of Muslims, as Muslims, whether in France or anywhere else.

  271. Darren Smith……you should consider modifying the filter on this site to a micro fine strainer, that may be able to limit the volume of nonsense from Conspiracy City Central and the evasive Tolkoy wannabe who is evidently being paid by the word.
    The comments section here used to be mostly worthwhile…..it’s largely be turned into a farce by mostly the same group of loons with nothing better to do.

  272. Hildegard
    1, January 16, 2016 at 4:36 pm
    “The ‘IT’ I’m talking about cannot be condensed into one link or a sound bite. You seem to want a predigested or Readers Digest version. Sorry about that. I tried….”

    All I want from you, and what you seem unable to provide, is a brief, coherent description of what it is that you want people to “wake up to.”

    It’s become increasingly apparent that you’re either unable or unwilling to do the thinking required to articulate in a coherent description your inchoate impressions that something terribly evil is going on in the world, perpetrated by some cabal of evildoers with an “agenda” that you’re also unable to specify in words.

    Perhaps given enough time, something concrete will come into focus for you and you’ll be able to transmute your feelings into thoughts that you can share regarding what it is that you’re trying to warn everyone about.

    In the meantime, it’s a little silly to urge people to wake up to a danger that you can’t even tell them the nature of.

  273. Ken Rogers “In the meantime, it’s a little silly to urge people to wake up to a danger that you can’t even tell them the nature of.”

    I take it you didn’t even read the article I linked to and if you read it and it didn’t help then I guess in you’re case you’re right, I can’t even tell you the nature of what you need to wake up to. The funny thing is, those who are awake know PRECISELY what I’m talking about and share my immense frustration with trying to convey it to others. Either you get it or you don’t. Either your interest is piqued and you go off and do your own research into what I’ve been pointing to or you don’t. It seems instead of looking where I’m pointing you’re fixed on the finger doing the pointing. It’s okay though. I know when to throw in the towel.

  274. Po; “I think Hilde contaminated me.” You wish! LOL I had a bad word in one of the links in my post, shame on me.. sh*t.

  275. po, Thank you for showing us how divorced you are from reality. Arabic is one of the most guttural languages on Earth in which many of the sounds are produced way in the back of the throat and sounds like the speaker is spitting. So how any sane person can say it is lyrical is beyond reason. At least the Dutch have a sense of humor about their language which is similar in sounds to Arabic. Instead Arabs try and deny reality. Your so called proofs are simply your taste rather than any objective criterion.

    I lived in the Mideast for a couple of years, and I noticed that the men there love women who are fat and obese, while Americans found them to be gross and ugly. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and rather admit this FACT, you insist that YOUR tastes are the ONLY ones that are valid. That shows a cultural chauvinism that is quite offensive to any fair minded person. Then we have this absurd passage from you.

    Wow,…frankly, I am shocked and disappointed. I mean, the examples abound of sacred language used in rituals, including ALL houses of worship… even some Christian churches speak in tongues for the sacred language enhances the ritual…
    Have you ever recited the quran? Do you know that it is the most complex yet efficient language on earth?

    To say that Arabic is the most complex yet efficient language on earth is stupid. If it were so superior, then it would be the language of science, literature, diplomacy, aviation, to name a few places such a superior language would be useful. Instead, all of these fields mentioned use ENGLISH since it IS a very efficient means of communication. Complexity does NOT lend itself to efficiency. i had to laugh at some of the embedded spot in which they tout the great virtue of having MANY meanings to the same word. That is hardly a virtue or efficient. Then we have you saying something about Christian churches speaking in tongues which shows you have NO understanding of what speaking in tongues means since those tongues are NOT a language at all or sacred. It is gibberish in which the speakers purport to be speaking a language to mimic the apostles during pentacost. I have no desire to speak the koran verses since it is pointless to speak things which make no sense to me, and in any case would have to be put into roman script for any non-Arabic speaker. As for the efficiency of the Arabic script, the Chinese went with the Roman script when they decided to get away from their ancient form of ideographs. They did NOT choose Arabic script, and in FACT the Turks kicked out the Arabic script from their language and there is no move to restore it. That says it all about the worthless nature of the Arabic script in that those who used to use it got rid of it, and other languages looking to modernize their language do NOT consider Arabic as a model at all. So much for the superiority of Arabic.

  276. Hilde, Bam and karen want me to reconstitute my harem so they can join it…especially karen.
    I mean, who wouldn’t?
    But no, I am not that person anymore.
    i didn’t use to include men in it but if I ever put it back together, am willing to make an exception for bambam.

  277. Randy
    First off let’s frame the terms of the debate. Are we talking about spoken Arabic or are we talking about Quranic verses, the Arabic of the quran? Your original point was about arabic as used in the prayers and the rituals, and that Arabic is the quran’s arabic, which the article I quoted went to great length to show how different and superior it is in its form and meaning from regular arabic. You musta missed it.
    Note how the recitation videos and the videos about the miracle of the quran talk about both the auditory value and the structural value? Most people would agree that recitation of the verse is rather melodious, as shown in the videos.

    Now, I am assuming you are talking about arabic as the daily language, which, if you want to debate, I am fine with it, just state your case. As you did however, I answered your points previously, especially with that article that shows the importance of the original language in the rituals, quoting Buddhism, Judaism and Islam. The idea that speaking in tongues features gibberish does NOT negate my point that it is aiming to enhance the spirituality of the ritual…a point you ended up affirming while trying to undermine it.

    I lived in the Mideast for a couple of years, and I noticed that the men there love women who are fat and obese, while Americans found them to be gross and ugly. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and rather admit this FACT, you insist that YOUR tastes are the ONLY ones that are valid. That shows a cultural chauvinism that is quite offensive to any fair minded person. Then we have this absurd passage from you.

    Now, what is this talk about obese women and arabic taste? What?
    My tastes? When you just stated that fat and obese women are gross and ugly?That’s crazy talk, Randy!
    Wow! I don’t know how to even address that!!! That’s insane!

    To say that Arabic is the most complex yet efficient language on earth is stupid. If it were so superior, then it would be the language of science, literature, diplomacy, aviation, to name a few places such a superior language would be useful. Instead, all of these fields mentioned use ENGLISH since it IS a very efficient means of communication.
    I never said arabic is the superior language, I said it is the most complex yet efficient. Complex because words can mean a great many things based on how they are used, and efficient because one can say twice as much using half as much. Prove me wrong.
    Also, arabic WAS the language of sciences, until the collapse of the islamic empire, as states In his 2002 book What Went Wrong?, historian Bernard Lewis::“for many centuries the world of Islam was in the forefront of human civilization and achievement.” “Nothing in Europe,” notes Jamil Ragep, a professor of the history of science at the University of Oklahoma, “could hold a candle to what was going on in the Islamic world until about 1600.” Algebra, algorithm, alchemy, alcohol, alkali, nadir, zenith, coffee, and lemon: these words all derive from Arabic, reflecting Islam’s contribution to the West.” And all of that used what, yes arabic.
    Then again, wasn’t latin once a prominent in the west?
    English did not become what it is today because it is more efficient, it is so because it is the language of the dominant. That simple. If S. Arabia lead the world in technology and was the dominant economic nation, or even France for that matter, Arabic or French would be the dominant language. Which is why more and more people are learning mandarin, for China is getting to be more of a powerhouse.
    Anything else?

  278. Btw I don’t agree with some of the premises of the previous video but it’s well presented. In other words, find what’s useful to you and discard the rest. I find that people will often toss the whole thing if there’s ANY aspect they don’t agree with.

  279. po – I am the type of agnostic who believes in God, just not that God is going to guide my life. So, it does me no good to pray. However, I do believe that in the end we all believe in the same God.

  280. The Jerusalem Post – Israel News

    01.18.2016 | 8 Shevat, 5776

    North African men suspected of stoning transgender women in German city

    International

    By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL \

    01/16/2016 14:13
    North African men suspected of stoning transgender women in German city

    “That was barbaric what they did. They are barbarians,” one of the victims said.
    View of Dortmund, Germany

    View of Dortmund, Germany. (photo credit:WIKIPEDIA)

    BERLIN — Three young men from North Africa were arrested on Saturday in the western German city of Dortmund for stoning two transgender women.

    According to a report on Friday on television station SAT1.NRW, the men attacked Yasmine und Elisa, two transgender women, near the city’s main train station.

    “Within seconds we were tossed around…and they took stones from a gravel bed on the corner and threw them at us,” said Elisa.

    A police car appeared at the train station as the stoning attack unfolded and arrested the men.

    The German media as a general rule do not disclose the last names of victims to protect their privacy. The three men are between 16 and 18 years-old and are known to the authorities from theft and assault arrests.

    Dortmund police official Kim-Ben Freigang said the suspects told the police that “such persons must be stoned.”

    Yasmine installed a security camera at the residence where she lives with Elisa after the attacks. “That was barbaric what they did. They are barbarians,” Yasmine said.

    She added that she could not believe that such an act of shamelessness occurred. “In 2016, in Germany, with stoning!” According to the SATI.NRW report, Yasmine said it was the first time in 30 years she felt unsafe as a transgender woman.

    According to Yasmine and Elisa, the three young men propositioned them, but after they realized that Yasmine and Elisa are transgender women, they attacked them with stones.

    Stoning people to death is a penalty used in nine Muslim-majority countries. In November, a criminal court in Iran’s northern province of Gilan sentenced a woman to be executed by stoning for alleged complicity in the murder of her husband, Arash Babaieepour Tabrizinejad.

    The stoning penalty of the woman, who was only identified by the initials “A.Kh,” was first reported on the Persian-language Iranian website LAHIG.

    According to the LAHIG report, the court imposed the penalty on the woman after an initial sentence of lashings and a 25-year prison sentence. The criminal court in the city of Rasht in Gilan issued the sentence.

    Lethal homophobia is widespread in the Arab world and Iran. A 2008 British Wikileaks dispatch noted that the Islamic Republic of Iran has executed “between 4,000 and 6,000 gays and lesbians” since the Islamic revolution in 1979.

    Islamic State has murdered dozens of gays by tossing the men off buildings. Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen and Qatar, to name just some of the most anti-gay countries, persecute LGBTs with the death penalty and imprisonment.

  281. Bam, did they stone them or did they throw stones at them? I think there is a huge difference there.

    Obviously, I don’t condone what they did, if indeed it happened as you claim, if it did, then they deserve serving time in prison then to be sent back wherever they are from.
    I also denounce homophobia in the name of Islam and any other name. Stoning is bestial and an offense against humanity and God. That is why a great many of us Muslims and our non-Muslim allies are fighting against that.
    There is a hadith that states that the Prophet allowed stoning a couple once, and it was that they were Jews, and the Jews came to him to ask him to arbitrate about how to punish a cheating couple. He told them that he was not allowed, as muslim, to judge Jews according to the Quran, and asked them what their own laws required. They said stoning, and then they, the Jews, stoned the couple, according to their own laws.

    In fact, stoning is against the quran, because nowhere in the quran does it state to stone people as punishment. The few times it is mentioned, it is mentioned as something the evil people did or threatened to do against the righteous and the Prophets.

    In Senegal, 95% Muslim, we had transvestites among our midst, they were known to be great cooks and had thriving restaurants. They were involved in festivities, and no one of note would have a party without a transvestite as the master of ceremony.
    i remember helping a couple of transgender kids on West 4th street in NYC. The were being hassled by some kids and I gave them refuge in the store where I used to work. The manager threatened to fire me if I did it again but I felt it is my duty to help anyone in need.

    17 transvestites were murdered last year right here.
    An American soldier was just convicted of murder for killing a transvestite in the Philippines.
    Right now, transvestites are being attacked from every side, and it is horrific.

  282. I recommend FEAR FOR LIFE, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH which deals with violence and de jure sanctions against gays, and those perceived as gay, in Senegal.
    Fact checking is becoming more and more important in comments from certain sources.

  283. tnash, why not give us a taste of its content?
    Fact checking is indeed important from certain sources…
    Wonder which friend is hiding under yet another alias…

  284. po – the challenge is that we now have to fact-check the fact-checkers. Politifact, for one, is biased for Hillary.

  285. In response to my question Paul, yes, it is illogical. I asked the cause to the effect, you cite the effect to explain the cause.
    But agree with need to check the fact checkers. Facts are now biased against truth.

  286. @po
    1, January 18, 2016 at 1:46 pm

    “But agree with need to check the fact checkers. Facts are now biased against truth.”

    Because of the indispensability of facts in apprehending reality through scientific inquiry, reasoned discourse, or any other epistemological means, surely you meant to say that factoids* are biased against truth, and not just now, but always have been.

    * n. A piece of unverified or inaccurate information that is presented in the press as factual, often as part of a publicity effort, and that is then accepted as true because of frequent repetition. For other meanings of “factoid,” see https://www.wordnik.com/words/factoid

  287. @Riesling
    1, January 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm
    “Back to the topic: 838 people have filed criminal complaints.”

    Is that another dangling factoid, Reisling? If it’s a fact, surely you can document it.

  288. @bam bam
    1, January 16, 2016 at 5:42 pm

    “French mayor denounces Muslim offer to protect church at Christmas.”

    “As expected, besides Muslims, France’s liberals and leftists were highly indignant, to say the least, that Menard had compared Muslims to arsonists. One group, SOS Racisme, said it will launch a complaint, calling Menard’s choice of words ‘insulting,’ and accused him of wanting ‘to whip up hatred against Muslims.’ ”

    And bam bam wants to know just what the hell, pray tell, is wrong with whipping up hatred against Muslims? It’s so, so sado-masochistically bracing.

    What Jews Can Learn from Martin Luther King, Jr

    “Our Jewish tradition’s most famous prophet (one shared also by Christianity and Islam) is the subject of an exhibition at the Musee d’art et du Judaisme in Paris. The show Moses: Paintings of a Prophet (Moïse: figures d’un prophète) opened on October 14 and runs until February 21. Featured in it are two men revered by liberal Jews in America: The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr and Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, whose united efforts are represented by a 15-minute excerpt from a documentary film by Steve Brand titled Abraham Joshua Heschel & Moses.

    “The full documentary, “Praying With My Legs: the Spiritual Witness of Abraham Joshua Heschel” (not yet released and seeking funding to complete), traces the life and philosophy of one of the 20th century’s great Jewish theologians. It details well the close relationship he shared with King and their involvement together in the civil rights and Vietnam War protest movements, which is the portion of the film on view at the museum in Paris.

    “King and Heschel initially bonded over the prophets. King was drawn to Heschel’s intimate knowledge of the topic (Heschel’s masterwork, in a body of masterworks, was his book The Prophets), and Heschel in turn admired King’s devotion to the Exodus story of Moses and the Israelites, adapted to the narrative of the civil rights struggle in the 1950s and ’60s.

    “King, like his model Moses, famously did not reach the promised land of equal rights for Black Americans, dying without seeing the vision he’d been journeying toward. (This fight has recently experienced a resurgence of energy, with the Black Lives Matter movement, among others, helmed by a set of laser-sharp but more circumspect 21st-century prophets, including men like activist DeRay McKesson and author Ta-Nehisi Coates).

    “Heschel’s scholarship, as well as his close friendship with King, makes him an apposite choice for inclusion in the show, but he can also be considered a kind of prophet himself. The main job of the prophets of the Bible, after all, is to hold their people’s feet to the fire. Moses railed at the weak and foolish Israelites who strayed from the path the minute their leader ascended to the mountaintop to commune with God.

    “King fulminated against the war in Southeast Asia as well as against the injustices rampant in white American culture toward those whom it had enslaved for hundreds of years. Heschel supported both these causes, incurring the disapproval of some Jewish leaders when he did not hesitate to vigorously excoriate U.S. involvement in Vietnam, preaching widely on the subject, writing letters to presidents, and being a spokesman for other religious leaders in meetings with high-level military strategists like Secretary of State Dean Rusk.

    “As one can see from the film, Heschel, like King, had the charisma a prophet needs. He was impossible to dismiss, even when his message stung. The consummate gadfly, he shined a bright light on the ills of American society and also on those of American Judaism in the mid-20th century, which he saw as stultifying, airless, soulless, moribund. He was an outlier on one crisis we face today: how to make Judaism not only appealing but actually indispensable for Jews of future generations. His words were bracing and his exhortations powerful, but, rendered in such breathtakingly poetic language (as well as expressed verbally in his disarming Polish accent), they seem like a loving gift from a benevolent elder, not a rebuke: He even warned warmly.

    “He was a Jew who had suffered and seen too much suffering, and who, unlike [many of] the rest of us, was capable of vision on a greater scale, the prophetic scale. He knew what he was talking about, and, like King, he believed people could rise up, be their best selves, and behave with righteousness and even with holiness.”
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/196332/king-and-heschel-and-moses?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=b713308914-Monday_January_18_20161_15_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-b713308914-207311397

  289. True, Ken, factoids would have be the righter word, but using factoids would have undermined my aim to suggest the prominently established contemporary tendency to allow for a great range of truths, and therefore for a great range of facts.
    I think it is a worsening problem, for previously, there were safeguards to fight back against the corruption of words, and therefore of facts, for all mistrust starts with the corruption of words and their meaning.

    The moment I saw Frank Luntz , he of [“ In a January 9, 2007, interview on Fresh Air with Terry Gross, Luntz redefined the term “Orwellian” in a “positive” sense, saying that if one reads Orwell’s “Essay On Language” (presumably referring to “Politics and the English Language”), “To be ‘Orwellian’ is to speak with absolute clarity, to be succinct, to explain what the event is, to talk about what triggers something happening… and to do so without any pejorative whatsoever.”[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz%5D, feted on tv for his ability to assign different meanings to established words, doing party trick like “okay, how would you rephrase this…”, I knew the deceptors had won.

    At this point, whether we want to or not, everyone is entitled to their facts and to their truth, and every truth is just as valuable as the other. one has to only listen to the republican (and less so in democrat) debate to see that. In fact, all our domestic and international policies are guided by words and concepts that mean the opposite of what they once meant, driven by facts that are no more than artificially upgraded factoids.

    Reminds me of Stephen Colbert’s Truthiness, lies with a veneer of truth used to displace well established truths.

  290. @po
    1, January 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm

    “True, Ken, factoids would have be (sic) the righter (sic) word, but using factoids would have undermined my aim to suggest the prominently established contemporary tendency to allow for a great range of truths, and therefore for a great range of facts.”

    “At this point, whether we want to or not, everyone is entitled to their facts and to their truth, and every truth is just as valuable as the other. one has to only listen to the republican (and less so in democrat) debate to see that. In fact, all our domestic and international policies are guided by words and concepts that mean the opposite of what they once meant, driven by facts that are no more than artificially upgraded factoids.”
    —————————————
    It seems that you’ve completely capitulated to the self-interested and/or self-deluded purveyors of obfuscation, po.

    There’s no question that “truthiness” is widely embraced, as are other forms of intellectual sloth and dishonesty, and Luntz is the very embodiment of the intellectual turpitude that Orwell excoriates in his classic essay “Politics and the English Language.” The fact that Luntz called attention to Orwell’s essay inadvertently threatens Luntz’s whole enterprise:

    “Most people who bother with the matter at all would admit that the English language is in a bad way, but it is generally assumed that we cannot by conscious action do anything about it. Our civilization is decadent and our language — so the argument runs — must inevitably share in the general collapse. It follows that any struggle against the abuse of language is a sentimental archaism, like preferring candles to electric light or hansom cabs to aeroplanes.

    “Underneath this lies the half-conscious belief that language is a natural growth and not an instrument which we shape for our own purposes. Now, it is clear that the decline of a language must ultimately have political and economic causes: it is not due simply to the bad influence of this or that individual writer.

    “But an effect can become a cause, reinforcing the original cause and producing the same effect in an intensified form, and so on indefinitely. A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts. The point is that the process is reversible. (Emphasis added)

    “Modern English, especially written English, is full of bad habits which spread by imitation and which can be avoided if one is willing to take the necessary trouble. If one gets rid of these habits one can think more clearly, and to think clearly is a necessary first step toward political regeneration: so that the fight against bad English is not frivolous and is not the exclusive concern of professional writers. (My emphasis) I will come back to this presently, and I hope that by that time the meaning of what I have said here will have become clearer.”

    Luntz has built a career on advising Republicans regarding ways to make their political designs more palatable to the public by means of systematic euphemism, about which practice Orwell has this to say:

    “In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties.

    “Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenceless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers.

    “People are imprisoned for years without trial [Guantanamo Bay], or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements [or neutralizing terrorist threats]. Such phraseology is needed if one wants to name things without calling up mental pictures of them.

    “Consider for instance some comfortable English professor defending Russian totalitarianism. He cannot say outright, ‘I believe in killing off your opponents when you can get good results by doing so’. Probably, therefore, he will say something like this: ‘While freely conceding that the Soviet regime exhibits certain features which the humanitarian may be inclined to deplore, we must, I think, agree that a certain curtailment of the right to political opposition is an unavoidable concomitant of transitional periods, and that the rigors which the Russian people have been called upon to undergo have been amply justified in the sphere of concrete achievement.’
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

    As to Stephen Colbert’s brilliant satirizing of “truthiness,” the quality characterizing a “truth” that a person making an argument or assertion claims to know intuitively “from the gut” or because it “feels right” without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts, those who take refuge in truthiness without ceasing will never know the quiet joy of discovery alluded to by Simone de Beauvoir when she wrote, “I tore myself away from the safe comfort of certainties through my love for truth – and truth rewarded me.”

    I suggest that you not contribute to a self-fulfilling prophesy regarding the triumph of politically degenerate language, but rather, for example, call a fact a fact and a factoid a factoid. Confucius nailed it a long time ago when he asserted that “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper names.” Likewise, the beginning of self-stupefaction is calling things by names that disguise their realities.

  291. Ken says:
    It seems that you’ve completely capitulated to the self-interested and/or self-deluded purveyors of obfuscation, po.
    ————————————-
    Not at all, Ken. in fact (no pun intended) I relentlessly rehash the fact that to fight the propaganda of the oligarch requires the taking back of words, kidnapped from their meaning and caretaker and corrupted, sold off as sex slaves for dimes and cheap booze.
    Whether it is terrorism, democracy, freedom…all of such words are just more keys that unlock our pocketbooks while locking us into the false reality devised by those who mastered our emotions and thereby our beings…and I keep fighting to retake those words and their meaning, and distribute them equally and democratize their application and their ownership.
    I can also see the fact that the game has been sped up. it is no longer the game of old, where the senses could keep up with movement, the eyes with the speed, the ears with the whoosh… the brain to detect words out of the warping of dimensions…it is supersonic speed, it is warp speed, we are told what the blur means, what the whoosh says, and most of us no longer can distinguish current words from their original meaning.
    Stating it as fact does not signify abdication, rather it is to state, in an ironic form, the ampleur of the problem. And the problem is not poetic license…it is not Irish English…or ebonics…of hispanic-english, it is not forms, it is meaning. Their forms is familiar, their meaning is else, their soul, the essence of words is gone.
    Yes, this cause is that effect, for to fight the corruption of words has to be alongside fighting the corruption of society, a two pronged fight unavoidably.

    Those are the facts. And nowadays everyone has access to his own stash of it, homebrewed, distilled with local ingredients to suit the local palate, and its suits the tongue and lift the spirits… We can still rescue the hostages, for without such rescue we are certainly doomed…and we must certainly do it in order to give ourselves a fighting chance…that’s an uphill battle, and …”that’s the facts, jack!”

    But…but…Perhaps I am contributing to that decadence…very likely! Perhaps my ironic twang on those words is missed in translation and are, therefore, affirming the corruption rather than exposing it…worth paying attention to, certainly.

  292. Mr. Po…in reference to your remark that I am “hiding under an alias”.
    I know that your Mr. Po name is real, and that as an Oriental/ Mexican/Somali apologist for Islam, and consumate voluminous game player on this site, that you would never hide under a pseudoname or just play games for the sake if playing games.
    The massive amount of crap you have posted motivated me to drop the JT account, but I made the mistake of reading more of your BS in a comments section.
    So the WordPress account I have posted on in the last few days has a slightly different name.
    Sorry if this confused you, Mr. Po. I understand that given your Oriental/Mexican/Somali background, that English is probably foreign to you.
    Best of luck on your continued paid by the piecework/pieceword garbage you clutter this site with. -Tom Nash

  293. @Ken Rogers: Sorry! I made a mistake. It wasn´t 838 complaints, it was 883 victims filing charges for 766 offences (some victims filed offences together). So far only 21 suspects. You can see the numbers in the headline cited above.

  294. To quote you, Tom, HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
    If I knew you would take such offense to being spanked intellectually and rhetorically over and over and over and over again, I would have let you win one.
    It’s a shame you had to come back just to make even more of a fool of yourself (if even possible?)
    I’ll miss you.

    Would you do me a favor and take Nick with you? Please? I’ll pay you.

  295. Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 19, 2016 at 11:14 am
    Tom Nash – I have always held that no one would write that much crap unless they were paid by the word.
    ———————————
    Explains much, Paul.
    You refuse to write more than 2 sentences at once unless you get paid for your crap?
    Some of us are able to gather enough words together, and string them adequately and effectively enough to make meaningful arguments out of them. And it is easy , and fun, for us.
    I understand it isn’t given to everyone, a gift indeed.
    And we are no teachers even.
    Wonder if the firing was less sloppy fact checking and more inability to write beyond 2nd grade word count.

  296. po – now I am being fired from my fact-checking job? No way, they loved me. Job ended when they moved the division to Texas. Fact-checkers write things like “This is wrong,” etc. Very short phrases. Rarely a full sentence.

  297. Po…..if you ever loose your job here, the Kingdom of Id can always use stable hands.
    Piecework for you in that field should be immensely profitable for you, given your outstanding ability to shovel it out nonstop.

  298. I’ll take your words for it, Tom, you seem to know your business.
    The keyword is shovel ( it out), somebody must here, lest we are swamped under the huge amounts you and your friends keep dropping:)
    Better be the shoveler than the dropper, my dad once told me.

  299. Paul, I think the firing was for defective fact checking…confusing factoids (:) with facts…
    If indeed you were fired.
    I don’t know…
    But according to the Paul methodology, since it was not proven to be otherwise, it was so.

  300. Bob Dole and Bush 41 were reputed to have two of the best senses of humor in politics. That characterististic was well known in DC, not that well known by the public.
    Dole and Newt Gingrich did not get along very well, and Newt was not very well liked by his GOP colleagues. He did accomplish a lot, but he seemed to have difficulties in the “likeability” area and as a “retail politician”.
    He actually asked Dole why people seemed to take an instant dislike to him, and Dole quipped “They do it to save time, Newt”.
    Another ” Doleism”, not necessarily original to him, was the caution about mudwrestling with a pig.
    “The pig loves it, and you both get dirty”.

  301. @Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 19, 2016 at 1:21 pm
    “po – factoids are trivial facts.”

    Thinking people who try to be logically and linguistically consistent call trivial facts “factlets,” and pseudo-facts, “factoids.”

    Thus, an islet is a very small island, and an android is superficially similar to, but emphatically is not, a human being.

  302. Ken Rogers – thinking people usually take the first definition from the dictionary for a word. In this case, the first definition of factiod is a trivial fact. Linguistic idiots allows try to change the definition.

  303. Paul- Thinking people would also refrain from correcting another person until they are certain they are right, or that the other is wrong.
    Your tendency is to correct a factual claim with a factoidal one.
    Then to double down on it.

  304. po – sometimes things need to be corrected. If my factoid is correct and your factual claim is incorrect then it seems I am doing you a service.

  305. @Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 19, 2016 at 7:52 pm

    “Ken Rogers – thinking people usually take the first definition from the dictionary for a word. In this case, the first definition of factiod (sic) is a trivial fact. Linguistic idiots allows (sic) try to change the definition.”
    —————–
    “The” dictionary? “The first definition”? The lexicographical ignorance reflected in your comment is pretty amazing and more than a little amusing.

    Norman Mailer is generally credited with creating the neologism, “factoid,” which he defined as ‘facts which have no existence before appearing in a magazine or newspaper.’

    As someone who supports changing Mailer’s original definition, am I to gather that you’re one of the “linguistic idiots” you reference in your comment?:)

    “A Guardian book review described how Lurpak butter was named after the lur, a curved brass horn popular in the first and second millennia BC in and around Denmark, referring to this as a ‘fascinating factoid.’ It may have been fascinating, but a factoid is not a small fact. It’s a mistaken assumption repeated so often that it is believed to be true.

    “At least, that was the meaning ascribed to the word by Norman Mailer, who is widely credited with coining it, in his 1973 biography of Marilyn Monroe. Mailer said factoids were “facts which have no existence before appearing in a magazine or newspaper.” (My emphasis)
    “You can also use factoid as an adjective, to mean ‘quasi-factual’, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, which adds that it is used to designate ‘writing (esp. journalism) which contains a mixture of fact and supposition or invention presented as accepted fact.’ I like that ‘(esp. journalism).’

    “A true factoid should sound credible, and be assumed to be true by a significant number of people (if you are the only person who believes it, it may simply be a delusion). The Washington Times defined a factoid as ‘something that looks like a fact, could be a fact, but in fact is not a fact.’ An example is the belief that the Great Wall of China is visible from the moon, which according to Wikipedia would be possible only if your eyesight were 17,000 times better than 20/20.”
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/mind-your-language/2014/jan/17/mind-your-language-factoids

    Also consider the following:

    “There’s No Such Thing as ‘The’ Dictionary

    “I’m sorry to drop that one on you. I know you wish it were true. There are, in fact, 10 major publishers of dictionaries. These works themselves are further sorted into three categories: full-size, collegiate, and learner’s.

    “Full-sized dictionaries are the ones that you probably had in your school library — they’re gigantic books that attempt to chronicle all the words of English, ever. Depending on the edition you’ve got, that means somewhere between 70,000 and 355,000 entries, give or take. If you want the most words possible in one book, choose the Second Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary — it goes all the way back to the 7th century.

    “Collegiate dictionaries contain fewer entries, but each entry has more to offer, like biographical or geopolitical background that would be useful for college students. They’re updated more often than full-sized dictionaries, but still contain a good bit of stuff no one ever uses. They’re still great for general use and the dictionaries that many professional writers use as reference because we had to pay an effing fortune for them in college.”

    “Learner’s dictionaries are designed for people who are actively learning the language (God save them), and contain only core vocabulary that is widely used among native speakers. They’ll contain more extensive notes on usage, as well as example sentences and phrases to promote learning. These little guys are lifesavers if you’re an ESL that’s trying to sort out things like idioms.

    It Gets Worse…

    “Brace yourself for the worst news. These three different types of dictionaries from 10 different publishers may well disagree from time to time. That’s when English gets tricky… and knowing who to trust is even worse — because you can’t! They’re all right, at least by their own reckoning.

    “Yes, you self-proclaimed English Nazis (you do know what a Nazi is, don’t you? Choose some kind of title with a little more tact, would you, you uninventive clowns?) might well be wrong when you think you’re right. Oh, I can see you with your smarmy little squashed noses proclaiming that I’m the devil, but there’s no way around it — dictionaries are going to disagree. It’s no reason to end a friendship, fight with a fellow online, or generally be a twat.

    “If you MUST be a jerk, if your inner jerkiness cannot be contained, at least reference the dictionary you’re using to try to make someone else look like an illiterate. You’ve got plenty to choose from, so pick your poison. As a point of note, though, the pros (at least in my experience) don’t discriminate and will use whatever dictionary happens to be handy. Same for the thesaurus, in case you were wondering.”
    http://waterworthwrites.com/tag/how-many-dictionaries-are-there/

    See also:
    “An Introduction to Lexicography
    “TYPES OF DICTIONARIES

    “Criteria for classification:
    The Oxford English Dictionary defines a dictionary as a “book dealing with the individual words of a language (or certain specified class of them) so as to set forth their orthography, pronunciation, signification and use, their synonyms, derivation and history, or al least some of these facts, for convenience of reference the words are arranged in some stated order, now in most languages, alphabetical, and in larger dictionaries the information given in illustrated by quotations from literature”.
    One of the components of the above definition “arranged in some stated order….. alphabetical”1 has been extended to cover other reference books giving information of different types in alphabetical order and the term dictionary can “apply quite loosely to any reference work arranged by words or names”. (Malkiel 1967. 23). Thus we have dictionaries of national biography, dictionary of folklore, caritra kosa, abhidhaanakosa, dictionary of place names, etc.

    “The classification of dictionaries is a very important aspect of lexicography “bearing a direct practical significance” (Shcherba in Srivastaba 1968, 119) to the preparation of dictionaries. The entire work of dictionary making from the planning stage to the preparation of press copy, at its different stages, viz. collection of materials, selection and setting of entries and arrangement of entries and their meanings is largely governed on the basis of which the dictionary is classified.

    “Dictionaries can be classified into different types on the basis of several criteria, varying from the nature of the lexical entry to the prospective user of the dictionary. Below are presented some main criteria for the classification of dictionaries.2

    (1) Density of entries: whether the word list is general or restricted and special? Does it also cover regional and social dialects, jargons and slangs and archaisms?
    (2) The number of languages involved: monolingual, bilingual, multilingual etc.
    (3) The nature of entries: whether lexical only or also encyclopaedic, the degree of concentration on strictly lexical data.
    (4) Axis of time: whether diachronic (dynamic) or synchronic (static).
    (5) Arrangement of entries: alphabetical or semantic or causal.
    (6) Purpose: whether normative or referential.
    (7) The prospective user: whether meant for the general reader to find out general linguistic information or for special users to know some special aspects of the lexical unit say etymology etc.? Is it meant for the general language or only for the language of literature, there too, the language of some author, here again the language of some of his works?

    “All these criteria can be applied, sometimes alone and sometimes with others, for the classification of dictionaries. For example when we talk of the Sanskrit Dictionary (Poona) we find that although its aim is to present history of the words, it treats two languages and is arranged in alphabetical order. An etymological dictionary presents the development of forms of the word, it has a very highly specialized audience.

    “The Malayalam Lexicon and Tamil Lexicon combine in them several classificatory criteria.
    Although a typological classification is essential and has been attempted by many writers, it is impossible to delimit the types into a strict water-tight frame work. When we analyse any entry from any dictionary we usually find that many characteristics of different types of dictionaries have been included in it. As we shall see later, there is a large amount of overlapping in different types of dictionaries.

    “But although there is no clear cut division between the scope and the coverage of the dictionaries, there are dictionaries with definite focus on some major aspect of the language. ”

    (Because WordPress permits only two links per post, the link to the article above will follow in a separate post).

  306. po – you used the phrase “factual claim” which is something that claims to be a fact. It cannot be more factual than a factoid.

  307. Ken Roger – hate to sink your bathtub boat, however I know all about and have used all types of dictionaries. Norman Mailer was never sober enough to create a word, he had a tough time with the ones he already knew.

    To quote the Bard, your comment was “Much Ado About Nothing.”

  308. Paul, even in your dictionary, factual claim is a claim that is factual in nature.
    A factoid is a claim that is NOT factual in nature….
    Then again, English is only my 4th language:)

  309. Randy, if you are still interested, some public school children in S. Africa are being taught mandarin…I wonder why unless it is because China is rapidly becoming Africa’s biggest trade and development partner.

    In my area of the US, many children are also taking mandarin…which is not a very great sounding language I must say…. for the parents feel it gives the children an advantage in the upcoming word where China owns everything.

  310. po – I realize you are making a claim to authority here, however you are wrong. A factual claim only claims that something is factual. A factoid is either a fact or a claim made up to be a fact.

  311. @Paul C. Schulte.
    1, January 20, 2016 at 7:51 am

    “Ken Roger (sic – misspelling) – hate (missing subject) to sink your bathtub boat, (sic – comma splice) however (sic – missing comma) I know all about and have used all types of dictionaries.”

    Sure thing, Paul. That’s why you appealed to “the first definition” in “the dictionary.”:)

    “Norman Mailer was never sober enough to create a word, (sic – comma splice) he had a tough time with the ones he already knew.”

    This laughable observation about one of America’s leading novelists and journalists not only flies in the face of the documented evidence to the contrary, but is an egregious example of the logical fallacy of the argument against the man.

    It’s evident that your agnosticism encompasses much more than theological questions.

    “To quote the Bard, your comment was ‘Much Ado About Nothing.’ ”

    I can certainly understand why someone manifesting the lexicographical and etymological ignorance, literal-mindedness, sketchy grasp of Standard English, illogicality, and consistent resistance to admitting error that you do would find my comment to be superfluous.

    As a matter of fact,your consistent conduct on this blog puts me in mind of “Snug” in “A Midsummer Night’s Dream,” but without his humility:

    “Have you the lion’s part written? Pray you, if it be, give it me, for I am slow of study.“ :)

    It’s never too late to acquire some seemly humility, Paul, and few others besides yourself in my life-experience have so dramatically demonstrated a need of it.

  312. Ken Rogers – sorry about misspelling your name. It was a typo, but my error. Ken, I have great deal of humility, something you do not as evidenced by your writings.

    As Oscar Wilde wrote: “We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.”

  313. I cited a source and summarized the contents of that source.
    I can’t help it if you’re too thick or too lazy to go to that source.
    You wrote a comment about how transvestites are tolerated in Senegal.
    Given your propensity for lying, I checked to see if what you wrote was accurate.
    It wasn’t. But if you or others are delusional enough to believe your tall tales, that’s not my problem.
    Now tell us more about how clever smart, logical, tolerate, etc. that you are…….since your multiple comments are generally longer that the columns, I know you have lots and lots of time to play your word games, display evasiveness, and demonstrate your obsessive self-aggrandizing behavior.

  314. The comment above was written as a response to Mr.Po’s “request” to “give a taste of the contents” of the source that I cited.
    Since I did summarize the contents, I don’t intend to copy every word from the source I cited, or read it aloud for Mr. Po.

  315. Tom, how often do you have to say goodbye?
    i now suspect you have a crush on me…don’t worry, I have that effect on people., just ask bambam.

    This is what I said above:
    “<In Senegal, 95% Muslim, we had transvestites among our midst, they were known to be great cooks and had thriving restaurants. They were involved in festivities, and no one of note would have a party without a transvestite as the master of ceremony.

    You responded with this:
    “tnash80hotmailcom
    1, January 18, 2016 at 2:28 am
    I recommend FEAR FOR LIFE, HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH which deals with violence and de jure sanctions against gays, and those perceived as gay, in Senegal.
    Fact checking is becoming more and more important in comments from certain sources.
    ————————
    Now, unless your source (which is merely a bunch of words put together) was in Senegal with me and can certify that we did not “…have transvestites among our midst , and that…”, I have a hard time imagining how your source (which is merely a bunch of words put together) would/could show that I am lying?

    What am I lying about? That I was in Senegal?
    That we had transvestites among us?
    That they were accepted?
    That they were good cooks?
    That they were masters of ceremonies…?

    Are you alright, Tom? You almost managed to pass as a sensible, rational and smart person…then you go and do things like this…????!!!!

    It is hurting me to watch a good man, I am sure, demean himself so trying to score unscorable points!
    Just ask nicely, Tom, and I swear I’ll let you win one.

  316. OK, Po……so the tranvestites that “were accepted,” in a country that’s “95% Muslim” did not have to worry about Senegal’s criminal penalties against gays, or those perceived to be gay.
    At least as long as you were there to protect them, as you so heroically did in New York.
    I might stay tuned for when you tell us how you found the cure for cancer, won the gold medal in the Olympics, or worked among the poor in the slums of Calcutta.

  317. I will concede that my source had “a bunch of words put together”. Those are known as sentences, and paragraphs.
    Every column written here, and virtually all of the comments, have those same characteristists.

  318. Tom, no need to apologize, we expected nothing less than dishonesty and obfuscation from you.
    I won’t tell you how I cured cancer, at least until you apologize first.

    You got it wrong again, it was the silver medal, and it was in the slums of Mombasa…Mother Theresa would not let me near calcutta., she did not care about being overshadowed.

    Meanwhile, other than getting stomped on by strange (yet dashing and highly intelligent) men on blogs, what have you accomplished?

    By the way, some bunch of words turn out to become fine sentences and paragraphs, others always remain bunch of words… randomly put together, defective in both form and content…am sure it not all your fault😕

  319. When one has been paying attention to things for a while, and as a student of history, one can tell when something seems too fishy to be as claimed. The mass rape in cologne by refugees just did not make any sense at all, refugees just do not go on raping sprees, especially after having gone through the hell they did to get to Germany…
    It was evident someone was directing the outrage, and as I said before, we can expect more of these evil refugees stories to pop up.
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    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43998.htm
    By Andrey Fomin
    January 20, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Oriental Review ” – Last September we published an outline of the analysis produced by the Russian investigator Vladimir Shalak on the hidden aspects of the Twitter-based campaign to lure the Middle Eastern refugees into Germany. Having studied 19000 refugee-related original tweets Shalak claimed that the great exodus to continental Europe was artificially arranged by non-European actors. The latest wave of migrant-caused violence in the number of European cities on New Year’s Eve sparked another intense anti-Merkel campaign in German and European social media, and yielded additional data for Shalak’s in-depth research.

    Below we will share its preliminary results. But before we do let’s have a glance at two pictures demonstrating drastic change in public narrative in Germany regarding the refugees in just 4 months:

    Was it a tragic but spontaneous development or a deliberate psy operation by an external agent? To come closer to an informed conclusion we have to look briefly at the current US-German relations.

    Since March 2014′ Crimea reunification with Russia the German Chancellor Angela Merkel found herself between the hammer and the anvil. Under heavy pressure from Washington she had to lead the European family to tighten the escalating sanctions against Russia while big business and her political opponents were increasingly reluctant to sustain them in face of the dire consequences for the German economy. Balancing two contradicting approaches, she opted for accomplishing the 2011 commercial contract to built the second phase of the Nord Stream pipeline that would deliver more natural gas from Russia to Germany via the Baltic Sea despite a growing roar from the overseas.

    Another dimension of transatlantic tensions is connected with the TTIP agreement talks held since 2013 behind the closed doors. A solid propaganda fog around these talks can hardly conceal the fact that the main issue where the swords are crossed is the status of American private arbitration courts within the European legal system. The global TNCs push for allowing these companies to sue states in private arbitration courts for any action that negatively influences their profits. In practical terms that means a total loss of the sovereignty of the European states as the private arbitration courts will then be able to dictate to the nation states customs duties (directly influencing profits of course), sanitary and phytosanitary norms (EU will have to lift its strict barriers to GMO- and beef hormone products), financial and investment rules for the European banks and even subsidies. No wonder that a ruling coalition party in Germany categorically protests against the TTIP talks. Mass public anti-TTIP rally struck Berlin in October 2015. As a result, now Frau Merkel is emphatically careful in her assessment of the TTIP project.

    Now, the picture is more or less clear: Bundeskanzlerin plays a smart game trying to maintain European sovereignty while formally complying with the US demands on secondary tracks. No doubt that this game is decoded already by Washington and the only factor that impedes her immediate ousting from the office is the absence of prepared and manageable successor. Nevertheless, a media campaign against Frau Merkel, on the pretext of rapefugees scandal, is in full swing.

    Early January the notorious speculator and confessed sponsor of the refugee traffic to Europe George Soros gave an explicit interview to Wirtschafts Woche where he bitterly critisized Merkel’s stricter European and refugee policy suggesting that it would “cost her chancellorship”. Simultaneously the hashtag #ArrestMerkel and “Merkel Has To Go” motto appeared in Twitter and gained an impressive circulation. Conducted analysis showed that #ArrestMerkel hashtag was originally transmitted by two major Twitter accounts, @Trainspotter001 and @AmyMek. It was taken up and spread by a number of other powerful accounts.

    As you see, in both cases the minimum activity is observed between 7AM and 3PM GMT , which most likely corresponds to the US Pacific or Mountain Time. These Twitter activists are therefore active during daytime on the US West coast.

    Now, the @Trainspotter001 account has made almost 27K tweets since March 2015, or around 88 tweets per day which too much for a human operator (for example, the whole CNN Twitter team is making around 23 tweets/day). We conclude that @Trainspotter001 is a programmed bot, while @Amy Mek (27K tweets since 2012) is likely too.

    Going further to major retweeters we see that @Genophilia is the leading bot here (107K tweets since September 2012, or approximately 87 tweets/day). Its region is not indicated but average hourly activity research shows that it is operated from the US Pacific coast as well. Two other notable accounts are @jjauthor, a Nevada-based bot making 300 posts per day since 2010 (!) and @LadyAodh, another artificial blonde profile, created in the Unites States and fighting “white genocide” since March 2015. As you saw at the first graph, all these bot accounts are closely interlaced and thus multiplicate each other’s effect coving multimillion audiences.

    The presented evidence clearly demonstrates that the whole Refugee Combination was arranged by the US-based agents to frame up Chancellor Merkel and warn her against the defiance and independent stand for the European sovereignty. Quite noteworthy is that the seemingly polar opposite platforms (ultra liberal of George Soros and far right of vague US-located twitter bots) are eventually pursuing the same political goal – to oust German leader from her office and impose the TTIP on Europe.

    Andrey Fomin is founding editor of the online political analysis journal Oriental Review. He holds a Masters in Russian History (Lomonosov Moscow State University).

    © 2010-2015 Oriental Review

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