Trump Pledges To Defend Article XII

245px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_Skidmore495px-Constitution_of_the_United_States,_page_1Donald Trump has been widely criticized for what is seen as a shaky knowledge or fealty to the Constitution. Recently, however, he seemed to pledge support not just the Constitution but beyond — pleading to defend “Article XII” which is two articles too many for the Constitution.

A Washington Post article quotes members of Congress as saying that Trump told them “I want to protect Article I, Article II, Article XII.”

Of course, Trump may have made a common error in referring to “articles” when he meant “amendments.” However, the Twelfth Amendment concerns the procedure for electing the President and Vice President. Not exactly a rallying cry for presidential candidates or their voting bases. Indeed, if he intended to say the Twelfth Amendment I would be concerned as someone who has been a long critic of the electoral college.

It is never good for a presidential candidate to flub a constitutional question, but given the scathing speech of Khizr Khan on Trump’s knowledge (or lack thereof) of the Constitution, this type of error magnifies the criticism of his actual knowledge of the constitutional and legal rules.

90 thoughts on “Trump Pledges To Defend Article XII”

  1. Debates? I thought Trump was cancelling. Maybe Clinton could debate Johnson. Stein might not meet a 3 percent thresh hold. Whereas, Johnson is polling over 10 percent in Colorado. He might go higher after Trump’s attack on this grieving Muslim family.

  2. ( Afghan cleric, Mohammad Karim, is in his sixties but he decided to marry a younger bride. For most people (including all non-pedophiles), this might mean a woman half his age in her thirties. For Karim it meant a six-year-old girl. After being arrested, Karim insisted that the girl was given to him in wedlock as a “religious offering.” The little girl could only say “I am afraid of this man.” )

    https://jonathanturley.org/

    LOL , Trump’s been doing it again & again & keeps being shown as correct. I love the way Trump handles his self!

    He point’s out that he opposes Hillary’s war in which the guy’s son was killed & that Islam treats it’s women like crap. Both true.

    Now is coming out this American hating piece of Trash, Khizr Khan, has strong ties to the Islamic Terrorist group

    the Muslim Brotherhood & is working as a lawyer to flood the US with satanic Islamic Terrorist like the murdering piece of Islamic filth that killed that pregnant women last week & then cut the baby out of her belly.

    How many were murdered just last week by those Islamic lunatics?

    And it’s funny watching these Globalist, their bought & paid for media & their brainwashed zombie supporters fall back into their racist, bigoted Anti-American bullsh*t.

    Oh, Hillary some very strong supporters pedophiles, Islamic pedophile, cop killers & the families of cop killers, racist blacks, illegal criminal aliens,a proven Racist Mexican Judge in San Diego, etc……

    We can always learn all about people by who their friends are. In this case we find out Hillary is surrounded by the worst American hating Trash.

    http://shoebat.com/2016/07/31/what-the-media-is-not-telling-you-about-the-muslim-who-attacked-donald-trump-he-is-a-muslim-brotherhood-agent-who-wants-to-advance-sharia-law-and-bring-muslims-into-the-united-states/

  3. If we are to preserve even a shred of our Democracy we need a debate between ALL presidential candidates.

    Remember Nader was denied participation in the debates in 2000.

    Corporations feared Nader.

    Corporations fear Jill Stein.

    They do not fear Gary Johnson as he is pro-TPP

    Please consider signing this petition and getting it out to your peeps!! We cannot allow HRC to steal the election!

    http://www.jill2016.com/openthedebatespetition

  4. McCain and other Senators and Congresscriters visited Israel, expenses paid by Israel a foreign government, who directly and indirectly pays its operatives (AIPAC an other pro-Israel groups) to enforce Israel’s will on Congress and the American citizens. Federal law requires all agents of foreign governments to register, and violations of this law can and do result in expulsion and criminal charges.

    And yet, the bought and paid for Israel-first Congresscriters insure Israel and it’s operatives violate this law with impunity and are never charged.

    The notion that Israel deserves special language “holocaust” flies in the face of the actual numbers when compared to other genocides (scroll down 50%): http://non-intervention.com/2195/mr-trump-explain-why-america-first-requires-eliminating-the-u-s-department-of-education/

    Also, the fact of public funds paying for Judaic holocaust museum and other pro-holocaust memorial is wrong and certainly offensive to other races and religious groups who suffered far more genocidal deaths. Where are public funds for Russian genocide?

    The notion that Israel is “special” is pure unadulterated Israel-first agitprop, and nonsense to neutral Americans. Israel’s sum total significance to America is and always has been exactly nothing, zero. To call Israel the only “democracy” in the ME does disservice to the word. It’s not a democracy to Palestinian males. Right now and for years Israel debates requiring every citizen to declare public support for Israel’s “Jewish” State, the exact opposite of Western democracy.

  5. @BFM

    oh, and I just checked to see if McCain voted to give Obama fast track authority for TPP

    Yep, EVERY person who backs HRC whether from the Right/Left/Libertarian camp are ALL in favor of the TPP

  6. @BFM

    The cover up was done by Admiral McCain – “The Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions.

    Instead of determining whether the attack was deliberate, the Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions. No survivor was permitted to describe the close in machine-gun fire that continued for 40 minutes after Israel claims all firing stopped. No survivor was allowed to talk about the life rafts the Israeli torpedo men machine-gunned in the water. No survivor was permitted to challenge defects and fabrications in Israel’s story. Even my eyewitness testimony as officer-of-the deck was withheld from the official record. No evidence of Israeli culpability was “found” because no such testimony was allowed. To survivors, this was not an investigation. It was a cover-up.”

    http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

    As far as John-boy here’s a good article from Leftwing Alternet about McCain hiding evidence. The guy sold out his fellow men and then capitalized on the war hero myth

    http://www.alternet.org/story/99721/john_mccain_has_a_bizarre_history_of_hiding_evidence_about_his_fellow_pows

    1. @Autumn: “The cover up was done by Admiral McCain – “The Navy blocked all testimony about Israeli actions.”

      Well that’s a novel argument: John McCain is not a war hero because his daddy did stuff.

      Heck yeah. Doesn’t everybody reason that way. If you don’t like what the father does then say bad stuff about the son. That makes perfect sense to Trump supporters.

  7. @ Autumn:
    War monger and Israel-first Senator John McCain’s father was the Federal Judge who insured, more than any other, Israel would skate free after Israel’s undeclared War against the USA, AKA Israel’s bombing of the USS Liberty and cold blooded murder of US Sailors.

    I’d not be surprised to find streets and schools named McCain in Israel. His father’s grave deserves to be spat on (though it’s probably illegal so I don’t recommend it).

  8. @BFM: “…Can you imagine anyone attacking a mother who gave her son in combat defending this nation?…”

    Exactly how are Americans “defended” by the American military fighting in “combat” all over the Middle East against PWDS/Persons With Darker Skin? All US wars declared by POTUS are illegal. The Constitution gives sole power to declare war to the people’s representatives in Congress and the Constitution prohibits this power to be shared or transferred. NATO is illegal because it transfers the power to declare war to a foreign government.

    You mean the “combat” wars that caused this? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-31/americas-recent-achievements-middle-east

    Numerous geopolitical and retired military experts agree the drone strikes and “war on terror” only increase the danger to US citizens and military.

    For decades now, the USA and the West:
    1. Give blind support to Israel, always favoring Israel and condemning Israel’s foes. All or most of Israel’s West Bank settlements are illegal violation of the Balfour Resolution, which specified this area to remain a “neutral” zone, its rule to be determined latter in negotiations between the UN, Israel, and Palestine. Israel’s illegal theft/construction/annexation of this land from Palestine guarantees Israel’s eventual ownership, all with the blessing of the USA. Every time the UN proposes to discipline Israel, the Israel-first USA vetoes such resolution in the UN so-called Security Council.
    2. Have militarily occupied Mecca in Saudi Arabia, the holiest of all Muslim holy lands.
    3. Provide financial and military support to the world’s most blood thirsty tyrants and dictators who rule without mercy over Islam.

    Islam perceives the above three items as an existential threat, causing OBL in 1996 to Declare Islamic War Against the West, which should be required reading for anyone in the West.

    The Islamic War Against the West is a war of self-defense for survival because of #1-3 above, the exact opposite of what Western MSM portrays, which is that the West is an innocent bystander who Islam persecutes without cause.

    The reason MSM forbids Americans from hearing the opinion described herein is because, if it became common knowledge, the American public would force an end to #1-3 and a truce w/Islam, which the war mongers and debt finance industries shall never tolerate.

    Instead, it’s the common repetitive drum beat: “they hate us for our freedom” and other such nonsense. The primary “freedom” Islam hates is the West’s freedom to militarily and illegally force its will on the Middle East, thus immorally and unlawfully picking winners and losers where it should rather let the chips fall where they may.

    And what was the start, the birth of this nonsense and blood shed? I personally blame Woodrow Wilson, who in the early 20th C. introduced a previously unknown philosophy to Americans: the belief that spreading Western style “democracy” around the globe would result in peace and freedom for all.

    The fact that Islamic philosophy is about 2000 years behind the West was of no concern to Wilson and his fellow ideologues. The fact that this philosophy has resulted in thousands of needless deaths, trillions of wasted dollars, destruction of nations and maiming and suffering, is of no concern to those today still supporting the doctrine of nation building and tyrant replacement.

    1. “Exactly how are Americans “defended” by the American military fighting in “combat” all over the Middle East against PWDS/Persons With Darker Skin? All US wars declared by POTUS are illegal.”

      How could any reasonable person hold a soldier and his family responsible for one of the great foreign policy disasters in our history – initiated by Republicans like D. Rumsfeld and D Cheney.

      I keep being surprised that despite the usual thoughtful readers on this board, we keep hearing form individuals who cannot distinguish those who make foreign policy from the soldiers we send to conduct that foreign policy.

      Maybe it is a form of denial by those who cannot bear to acknowledge the effect of their vote.

  9. @BFM

    Also, the myth that McCain is a war hero has long been debunked.

    Indeed maybe Madame Secretary took a page from his playbook as he has kept all of his records — and those of fellow captives and MIAs out of the public domain!

    Or did he learn from his traitor father who covered up the attack on the USS Liberty?

    1. @Autumn: “Also, the myth that McCain is a war hero has long been debunked. …
      Indeed maybe Madame Secretary took a page from his playbook as he has kept all of his records — and those of fellow captives and MIAs out of the public domain! … Or did he learn from his traitor father who covered up the attack on the USS Liberty?”

      I hope you Trump people keep talking about McCain. Why don’t you tell us the details about McCain? Speak up, I am all ears, and I am sure there are many who want to hear all about the Trump view.

      My recollection is that I read about the attack on USS Liberty in Time Magazine – Maybe it was a cover up for people who can’t read.

  10. @BFM

    “I hope (S)HE keeps talking. The more (S)HE talks, the more (S)HE reveals herself/himself and the more it is impossible for reasonable people to support her/him.

    Keep it up HRC & Trump. You are doing just fine – for anybody that sees the hollow (WO)man that you are.”

    #jillnothill 2016

  11. At this point what difference does it make. Our utilitarian republic would cave in on itself if it actually had a President that honorable fought to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

  12. Roman numerals can be confusing, but they shouldn’t be so confusing that XII is two more than VII–the actual number of articles in the U.S. Constitution.

  13. I admire Mr. Trump for wanting to stand up for America. Too many administrative employees have no backbone. Many are bought and paid for way back when they were Lawyers or running for Office. Can anyone name a Public Employee that has honored their Oath of Office?

    In my opinion, we know what the current Administration can do and doesn’t – so, lets hear some new ideas for America. Go Trump!

  14. Nick Spinelli-
    You might be interested in Col. Allen West’s open letter to Mr. Khan.
    Given that his son’s sacrifice was politisized at the convention, it does open the door to bringing up Maj. Hasan, Sgt. Akbar, and others.

  15. @Big Fat Mike

    re: Can you imagine anyone attacking a mother who gave her son in combat defending this nation?

    What kind of person does that?”

    What kind of parents endore a candidate who was responsible for their son’s death? Their son was a pawn – he was most certainly NOT defending our nation rather enriching the bank accounts of the military industrial complex. Those soulless maggots who feed off tax payer monies and kill and maim thousands of women, men and children.

    1. “What kind of parents endore a candidate who was responsible for their son’s death? Their son was a pawn”

      What ever you may think of the foreign policy of this nation, the fact is that parents, who have made the greatest sacrifice possible for their family, have had their integrity and patriotism slandered by Trump, a two bit hustler who does know the meaning of sacrifice or honor. Trump could not even give respect to John McCain, on of the true heroes of his generation.

      Trump could have entered debate and attempted to refute their arguments. Instead, as usual, he resorted to ad hominem attack. Trump is a dim witted, egotistical braggart and a bully.

      The twit claims to be such a good manager. But he can’s even separate the important issues for his campaign from his personal fits of pique that fuel his ego.

      I hope he keeps talking. The more he talks, the more he reveals himself and the more it is impossible for reasonable people to support him.

      Keep it up Trump. You are doing just fine – for anybody that sees the hollow man that you are.

      1. bfm – McCain is a RINO and may finally lose to a Democrat. I live in McCain country and we are all to familiar with his lashing out verbally at people and staff. He does not like to be crossed and neither does Trump. Trump has more money though.

  16. I have no problem with Trump not having the Articles of the Suggestion Paper readily available. He’s not an attorney. In addition, I think you would be hard pressed to find your run of the mill attorneys being able to tell you how many Articles are in the Constitution (without having to look it up).

    On Sunday, Trump was on Meet the Depressed. He didn’t consider the children of illegal aliens to be citizens. Chick Todd attempted to claim that the Constitution (via the Fourteenth Amendment) makes them citizens. However, this is not settled law (no matter how many liberal legal scholars want to make that claim). The closest Supreme Court decision regarding birthright citizenship was Wong Kim Ark in 1898. In that case, it was the child of Permanent Residents, who was born here, that the Court determined to be a citizen via the Fourteenth. The Court has never opined on the child of an illegal immigrant of visitor on temporary sojourn.

    1. Jack – Senators and Representatives carry an envelop-sized copy of the Constitution in their inside breast pocket. You can see them refer to it from time to time.

  17. Trump supports the use of torture. He is not a defender of this Constitution. Maybe he thinks he is running for emir of Saudi Arabia?

  18. The Dems trotted out many victims on stage @ their Coronation. However, why not any victims of San Bernadino, Memphis, Orlando, etc.? Well, that was a rhetorical question.

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