It appears that Rep. Bill Pascrell (D., NJ) has a serious problem with Republicans going to court. We recently discussed Pascrell’s absurd effort to disbar roughly two dozen Republican lawyers for challenging the results of the 2020 election. Now Pascrell is declaring that 120 House Republicans signing a “Friend of the Court brief” (or amicus brief) is tantamount to supporting a rebellion against the United States and that they should be blocked from taking their seats in Congress. I previously denounced Pascrell for his “dangerous form of demagoguery.” This latest call shows the demagoguery has reached a level of utter delusion.
From the outset of the Texas lawsuit, I stated that it was virtually guaranteed to fail on standing. It did fail last night. However, courts are where we take cases alleging such injuries. Tens of millions of American believe that the election was not fair, including many Democratic voters. Roughly 70 percent of Republican voters believe the election was stolen. Such challenges and concerns are brought to the courts where we can have disputes resolved without violence in a constitutional system.
Pascrell has long denounced political critics of destroying the Constitution based on his disagreement with their views. In the case of President Trump, he called for impeachment in 2019 on such undefined grounds as “disgrac[ing] his office and our nation beyond measure.”
Rather than welcome such review, Democrats have launched a scorched earth campaign, including an abusive campaign of harassment and abuse by the Lincoln Project. These efforts notably began shortly after Biden was declared the presumptive winner of the election and before any challenges were actually ruled upon by the courts.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has also fueled such reckless rhetoric, declaring that the Republicans are “subverting the Constitution by their reckless and fruitless assault on our democracy which threatens to seriously erode public trust in our most sacred democratic institutions, and to set back our progress on the urgent challenges ahead.”
Pascrell’s move against his colleagues mirrors language in the response of Pennsylvania’s Attorney General Josh Shapiro calling the Texas lawsuit “seditious.” Seeking judicial review is the antithesis of sedition or rebellion. It is working within our constitutional system for a legal opinion on the merits of a challenge. These litigants have complied with court orders, as has President Trump.
On Twitter, Pascrell declared
“Stated simply, the men and women who would act to tear the United States Government apart cannot serve as Members of the Congress. These lawsuits seeking to obliterate public confidence in our democratic system by invalidating the clear results of the 2020 presidential election undoubtedly attack the text and the spirit of the Constitution, which each Member swears to support and defend.”
Pascrell cites the 14th Amendment to argue that filing with a federal court is an act of rebellion and “trying to overturn a democratic election and install a dictator seems like a pretty clear example of that.”
Pascrell’s call is utterly unhinged from any logical or constitutional foundation. Rebels do not storm the courts with legal filings. They overthrow courts with the rest of the constitutional system. Those who lack faith or fealty in our constitutional system are those who label litigants “rebels” and legal filings as forms of “rebellion” and “sedition.”
For all of you who still are trying to argue that the state votes were illegal and all you want is a ruling on the merits, suck on this.
https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423518-trump_case_decision
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Why should I pay attention to any oppinion by any judge in any court that starts the oppinion with lots of political garbage.
2016 is irrelevant to the decision before her. Only immediate facts are.
This is precisely what we talk about when we talk about the rule of law.
As Gorsuch said – any judge that is not periodically force to rule against their own beleifs because that is what the law or facts require should not be a judge.
Please come up with something MEANINGFUL if you wish to be taken credibly.
Regardless, -aren’t you another one of those collusion delusion TDS’ers ? Why should you be believed ?
Regardless, most court decisions have not been on the merits.
NONE have address the actual lawless conduct of the election.
Judges do not get to legislate. They are required to enforce they law that exists, not the law they beleive should exist.
The laws in these states were violated – we ALL know that.
Had that not occured – we might have had confidence in the results of the election -regardless of who won.
But they were not.
It is likely – near certain that eventually we will actually know the number of invalid votes cast in each of these states – though it is near certain those on the left will have their head in the sand.
This is the problem with you Trumpers. You claim to want your accusations to be looked at, you want a ruling on the merits, but then once it happens you just dismiss it as irrelevant. This was a federal judge ripping apart the arguments. You all are just lying partisan sheep.
There has been no rulling on the merits.
You’re wrong. Several judges have ruled on the merits.
Then you could cite one.
The WI federal judge – despite using the phrase “on the merits” did NOT rule on the merits.
He found (incorrectly) as a matter of law that the WI legislature had delegated its power over elections to the WEC.
That is a matter of law, not on the merits.
And the WI Supreme Court just ruled the opposite.
What I want is an honest election – and I did not vote for Trump in either 2020 or 2016.
Regardless, this is easy.
If you beleive that you conducted this election properly and lawfully – allow scrutiny. Scan all mailin ballot outside envelopes, put them online and allow the public to validate that every mailin ballot that was accepted was accepted legitimately.
Or if you do not like that – 2022 and 2024 will come shortly. Allow anyone who wants to submit fraudulent mailin votes in addition to legitmate ones and lets see if you really were following the law ?
You keep ignoring the fact that the entire purpose of election laws are to allow all of us to trust that all LEGITIMATE votes were counted and ONLY LEGITIMATE votes were counted.
If you beleive that to be the case – you will have no problem with testing that – now and in the future.
The sheep are being shorn but will come back as wolves
I can not predict the consequences of this election. But if the left thinks this is going to be a good outcome – they are wrong.
There is zero reason for republican legislators anywhere to cooperate with democrats anywhere on anything.
It is xtal clear that democrats will not live up to agreements.
The declaration lays out lawless government as the basis for revolution. We are not there yet – but we are inching closer all the time.
The left spent the past 4 years hyper sensitive to mythical right wing violence. We are NOW in increasing danger or REAL right wing violence – and we are very close to it being justified.
Those who are deeply offended by this lawless election – are not going anywhere.
I would note that not only are they angry but they have ALOT more to be angry about.
It is not just the lawless election – but the media keeping playing censor and wingman for the Biden campaign.
How does Youtube and Twitter and …. feel about censoring allegations regarding the Biden’s as we now find they are credible – and DEFINITELY NOT russian disinformation – that was the Collusion Delusion nonsense.
The list of grievances that ordinary people have with the left is growing not shrinking.
Democrats breaching norms has not played well for them thus far.
Why do you expect this time to go better ?
Write this down. The Democrats are going to try to make mail in voting part of all elections. The Republicans know that their legal actions will not result in the overturning of the election. They are doing what they doing to point out the problems of mail in voting. They are anticipating the next step because they have been awakened to what the Democrats will do for power. The Democrat’s goal is to destroy all the opposition even to the point of incarceration. Some of the commenters here can’t see the forest for the trees. Others are part of the plan.
They can see the forrest and the trees but they prefer my honeypot just like my bff Eric. You are using the wrong enticements. If you want people to support your ideas you have to pay them.
What are you willing to pay me?
Ya, how horrible it is to have a voting system that is easy, no lines, and have worked for decades in states that have it. The main problem Rs have with mail in-voting is it makes some of their voter suppression tactics not work.
That’s right, Molly. They can’t station Deputy Sheriffs at the polling stations to scowl at Black voters.
You seem to be living in the 1930’s.
It is 2020.
We have just seen a summor of “mostly peacefull” Black Lives Matter protests doing 2B in damage, and milling and injuring many people – all in democrat controlled cities.
So are you telling me that law enforcement in Chicago, Detriot, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Portland, …. cities that have been under democratic control my entire long life are racist ?
If you are worried about anit-black racism – look in the mirror.
Voting is not supposed to be easy.
Humans make lousy choices when they have no “”skin in the game” – the very least we need in an election is that you have to go to the trouble to come to the polls, prove you are who you are and vote.
If you are not sufficiently motivated to do that – no, your vote should not count. Your oppinion should not count.
Beyond that – you seem to be clueless about voting.
In person and Absentee voting in the US is “austrialian voting” or “secret ballot” – that is because all other forms are subject to inducement or coercion. You can not protect a mailin election from inducement or coercion. Past US voting when we did not have secret ballots had massive amounts of corruption -why do you wish to return to the most corrupt form of voting there is ?
You do not think there is corruption in this election – whoopee. You have gained multiple court victories – precendents that the courts will deliberately turn a blind eye to future corruption.
You seem to think that all republicans are crooks – then why do you think the lesson that they will get fro this election is that cheating is allowed ?
CA allowed ballot harvesting in 2018 – a practice that is criminal in much of the country. You blindsided republicans and they lost several close races. In 2020 they came back with their own ballot harvesting operations – and took back most of the seats they lost.
If you do not grasp how easy you have made it for Republicans to destroy democrats in the next election if they choose – you are clueless.
They have nothing to lose, can not get caught, have legal precidents now that will blind the courts.
Why is it that those on the left are unable to see the logical consequences of their own actions ?
Give me a few million – and I can invalidate 50% of the votes in Philadelphia, and you will never catch me, and even if you get an actual investigation – it will just expose how bad mailin voting really is.
If you give a damn about your vote, vote as if it matters.
Not from your couch infront of the TV listening to the nonsensical rantings of rachel Maddow, but in person at the polls.
Every mail in ballot envelope is individually barcoded and matched to the voter, so that there are no duplicate votes. And yes, voting should be easy, because there are large numbers of people who can not make it to the polls on election day because they have no transportation, or they work, or they are disabled, or they are in the military, or out of town that day. We as a country should never put barriers to voting because “we don’t want to make it too easy”.
MollyG – this is incorrect – and illegal.
First I would refer you to the recent GA hearing on this matter where a GA election supervisor demonstrated myriads of ways that it is trivial to enter and manipulate votes.
She was able to scan a blank ballot, and then vote it.
She was able to scan the same ballots multiple times – and have them counted multiple times.
She was able to take any ballot that was scanned and completely change every vote on that ballot.
Further she demonstrated that there is no audit trail for this there actually can not be and still have secret ballots – this is why all aspects of ballot handling and the adjudication of problematic ballots MUST – in most states BY LAW have observers.
It is not possible – or legal to track a ballot from its envelope to its final count. Doing so would violate election secrecy laws.
And those are also very important.
MollyG – if I could I would arrange to have a hurricane concurrently in the entire US on election day so that the only people who would vote were those who would brave the huricane to do so.
No voting should NOT be easy – the quality of ALL decision making in ALL fields declines the less skin you have in the game.
This is not unique to elections.
We do not want direct democracy as the athenians had. That resulted in Socrates drinking Hemolock.
Please gain some real knowledge of actual politics and political science. There is no form of government more oppressive than democracy. That is why this country is not a democracy and why our founders only allowed direct popular election of representatives.
We see the tryany of the majority in all of our local government – there are limits to the tyrany that monarchs and dictators can get away with. There is no limit to the tryany of our neighbors.
Do you want me deciding what color you can paint your house ? What plants you can grow ? What deodorant or cerial you must purchase ? I would hope not – well that was Sanders platform, and that is where ever greater democracy inevitably leads.
You keep trying to sell this nonsense that democracy is some how good – it is not, it is actually evil. Which is why this country is not a democracy.
John Say, a representative democracy is a democracy.
Thanks for making it clear that you stand with the 126 GOP congressman,18 GOP state AGs, and Trump in opposing democracy. Their action will be important clarification for voters come the next election – except for Trump of course who will not be nominated if he even lives, is not in prison, or runs – and we can now discard your opinion as fringe nonsense, though most here probably have already.
“a representative democracy is a democracy.”
Nope, regardless, except in rhetorical nonsense – the country was created as a republic.
Only members of the house of representatives were directly elected by the people.
The constitution requires that the federal government require every state to have a republican form of government.
I am not interested in nonsensical words games with you.
The movement towards greater democracy is a movement towards evil.
This is not my view – it is the view of our founders.
It is the view of the enlightenment that both created this country and followed it.
As Mill noted no tryany is so great as that of the people sticking their noses into the affairs of their neighbors.
If you wish to defend that – I will be happy to take you on.
“Thanks for making it clear that you stand with the 126 GOP congressman,18 GOP state AGs, and Trump in opposing democracy. ”
Actually they are opposed to election fraud and lawlessness.
It is I that is specifically opposed to democracy.
“Their action will be important clarification for voters come the next election”
Go ahead. You and whoever you can persuade – take it up at the polls.
“except for Trump of course who will not be nominated if he even lives”
2024 is 4 years away. I am not handicapping it now.
Nor does it matter whether the 2024 candidate is Trump or uberTrump – When the left goes lawless they increase the probality of an ACTUAL authoritarian next time arround.
“is not in prison”
The best thing Democrats could do for Trump is to try and go after him.
Go ahead – make my day.
“or runs”
Not Trump, do not know what he will do.
” – and we can now discard your opinion as fringe nonsense, though most here probably have already.”
Would “we” be you and the mouse in your pocket.
You like I speak for yourself. That is all.
Isn;t the left big on “one person one vote” – not two, not 10,
I will expand with one person, one oppinion.
I speak for myself.
You speak for yourself.
As to your actual claims – no there are NOT large numbers of people who can not make it to the polls on election day because they have no transportation, or they work, or they are disabled, or they are in the military, or out of town that day.
Who in this country is unable to get to the grocery store ? There are an estimate 500,000 polling places in the US – 21,000 were closed in 2020 do to mailin balloting – actually reducing the number of pollling places.
So the LEFT actually made voting in person harder.
Polls typically open at 8am and close at 8pm – 12hours.
Both parties as well as other groups go out of their way to provide transportation for the disabled or those without it.
We already know the left buses people from out of state (they have admitted it on hidden camera videos) – why do you beleive they do not move people down the block ?
Regardless lack of transportation is an advantage for THE LEFT. Republicans on the whole have to travel far further to get to a poll than democrats. 75% of the democrats in the country live in the major cities of the US. Nearly all cities larger than 500,000 are 75% or more democrat. Politics is about evenly split from 500,000 to 50.000 and below 50,000 it is nearly exclusively republican.
I was out of town on election day 3 states away – I still voted before I left. Regardless every state has for cause absentee balloting.
Absentee balloting is NOT the same as mailin voting. Absentee balloting requires the voter to go to a courthouse or some other similar place, to have their identitity verified, and THEN to vote SECRETLY, and to seal and turn in their vote before leaving.
There is no opportunity for third parties to influence your vote as their is in mailin votes.
I would personally have congress require that all polls in the entire country remain open for exactly the same full 24hour period from coast to coast so that all polls in NY and in HI opened at exactly the same time, and they all closed at exactlyt he same time and there was exactly 24hrs to vote. And that all polls had to produce raw tallies of every voting machine without an hour of polls closing.
This would significantly complicate many forms of counting fraud.
One of the PREDICTED big problems with 2020 is that in person voting ended and the results were quickly available And then – mostly in 5 cities in the US counts of mailin votes over the next 24hrs produced almost exactly the votes needed to erase the leads.
No matter what form of voting is used – you want all counts to come in as near simultaneously as possible. You want those contemplating engaging in fraud to be unable to KNOW how much fraud they must commit to win. If they have to guess they are incentivized to cheat more to be sure and that makes the fraud easier to catch.
Biden won and Trump lost – as a result of less than 1% of the votes in 5 major cities.
I’ve corrected John Say on his BS claim about bussing voters in from out-of state but he’s dishonest enough to keep saying it anyway.
The supposed incident in 016 in NH NEVER HAPPENED>
“The state attorney general’s office has no evidence that out-of-state voters were ever bused into New Hampshire to illegally sway the outcome of an election, a top official said Tuesday, dismissing an oft-repeated claim that’s spread from the Granite State to the White House.
https://www.concordmonitor.com/Attorney-General-s-office-No-evidence-out-of-state-voters-bused-into-New-Hampshire-17828373
Also, the big cities in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan did not give Biden his margin – and I’ve corrected him on this at least 3 times and one time know he looked at a map showing he was wrong, though maybe over his head:- as Biden under-performed Hillary in Atlanta, Detroit, and Philly and only matched her in Milwaukee. Where Biden won those states compared to her was by over performing her in the suburbs and red counties across those states. If there was fraud, you’d see the counts in those big cities up from 2016, and they were down or flat.
John is probably not smart enough to grasp this – he believes only what makes him feel good – but be aware. Despite all the words, he doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about.
“I’ve corrected John Say on his BS claim about bussing voters in from out-of state but he’s dishonest enough to keep saying it anyway.”
You have ? How so ? It is BTW a claim that is actually impossible to disprove.
Regardless, those involved admitted doing so.
You are also a clueless idiot. There have been myriads of bussed voter incidents in US election history.
And yet some in 2016.
But My specific allegation regarding NH is NOT a Bussed Voter claim.
Do you think that the only way one can vote illegally in another states election is if you are “bussed” in ?
My claim is simple
6,540 people voted using out-of-state licenses
As of Aug. 30, 2017, about 15 percent had been issued N.H. driver’s licenses.
Each of these items is FACT, they can be checked out via the NH State department.
I have further noted that others who have looked at this more thoroughly have been able to eliminate as much as 30% of the 6540 as subsequently establishing evidence fo NH residence.
It is likely that under very serious scrutiny – that might rise to 50%.
All that is speculation. but it is reasonable.
But that still leaves about 3200 people who voted in NH in 2016 using out of state licenses who do not appear to have been NH residents.
To be clear since you jump to conclusions and you do not read and you are generally clueless.
I have NOT said that Out of state voters were bussed into NH.
The Claim that democrats have bussed in voters, is based on undercover Video of democratic campaign managers in OTHER STATES having admitted to doing just that.
When people admit to violating the law – I tend to beleive them.
Regardless, there is a LONG history of democrats bussing people from out of state – a history as long as there has been sufficient transportation to do so.
The FACTS in NH have nothing specific to do with Bussing.
My GUESS is that the 3000+ improper votes are mostly out of state students attending college in NH.
Every state has this problem.
So once again you make a false accusation of lying.
Please read what I wrote about Bussing voters – I never identified a state.
I have no idea what state that was nor do I care.
I made a separate claim regarding New Hampshite and never mentioned bussing
That claim is based on the undercover video admissions of Democratic campaign managers of having bussed people accross state lines to vote.
When people admit in secret that they violated the law – I tend to beleive them.
Regardless read what I wrote carefully. Quit making assumptions.
If you have the slightest integrity you will appologize for the false accusations.
With respect to your statement from the NH AG’s office – assuming you cited them correctly and that they said what you claim.
Caveats because you are not trustworthy.
Your quote refutes a claim that I did not make – nor did anyone else that I am aware of.
6540 people DID vote in NH in 2016 using out of state licenses – while Claiming that they were NH residents.
15% of those eventually got NH licenses. The rest did not.
There is no claim they were Bussed to NH. Most likely they were out of state college students – but that is speculation on my part, and i am not asserting that as a fact.
Unlike YOU I am actually careful about what I assert as fact.
The only specific allegation I am making is that it is highly unlikely that 100% of the 6540 people who voted using out of state licenses were ALL legal NH voters.
So show some integrity and appologize for lying about what I said.
“We as a country should never put barriers to voting ”
Why not ?
We do not value things that are too easy.
It’s supposed to be easy to act on your rights. It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of religion. It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of speech. It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of assembly. It’s supposed to be easy to have due process rights. It’s supposed to be easy to vote.
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I have started to look at your purported “on the merits” decision in Wisconsin.
It is not on the merits. It never addresses the actual merits.
The first problem is that the judge starts with the presumption that there is no legitimate remedy that can result in tossing lots of legitimate votes.
All of us will admit that rejecting legitimate ballots is really really hard to do.
But the fact that we have arrived at that point MAKES Texas’s point and REJECTS the poor claim of the judge.
Do you accept that the constitution – both us and state, does not allow states to deliberately or recklessly run an election where the outcome of the election is fraudulent ?
If you accept that – then the WI Federal judge is by definition WRONG on the MERITS and TX is correct.
The WI judge claimed that the WI legislature legitimately delegated election authority to the WEC – that is arguably false. But even if true it violates a fundimental originalist constitutional principle – non-delegation. Neither the legislature, nor congress can delegate to the executive responsibility and authority that belongs to the legislature – particularly with respect to elections.
I do not know that the claim that the WI legislature did delegate that authority is correct.
But the claim they could is inherently false.
But even accepting that as the case. As the authority is the legislatures exclusively – it remains their exclusively to revoke.
Finally the judges decision is not on the merits for another reason – the decision is based on procedural due process rather than substantive due process.
Best demonstrated by an example – if an innocent person is sentenced to death for a crime they did not commit, and prior to execution it is proven beyond any doubt that they did not commit the crime – but all appeals have run out and all the correct processes specified by law have been followed, can the innocent person be executed by the state.
Substantive due process requires that you can not execute a person who is innocent of a crime – even if they were convicted at a fair trial, and afford every opportunity the law allows to correct the error of that trial.
Procedural due process allows the state to procede to do whatever it wants regardless of the outcome – so long as dotted its I’s and crossed its t’s no matter how egregious the outcome.
It is trivially arguable that neither WI not the rest of these states followed their own laws. In the specific case of WEC – the election commission authorized the relaxation of statutory requirements for elections. Even if you do not accept non-delegation The WI legislature can not delegate the authority to wave a statute. Statues always trump regulations and executive actions.
If the legislature by statute says that voter signatures must be verified, the executive can not say – no they need not.
Just to be clear – everyone knows that all these decisions against Trump are a consequence of the left playing a game of chicken with mostly receptive courts.
Judges – even some on the right balk at enforcing the law when the remedy requires throwing out hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes because their may have been thousands of illegimate ones.
That is a hard choice. But it is the only lawful one. And it is the only one that prevents future fraud.
Let us presume that you are correct and the WI federal judge actually ruled on the merits.
While that is false it is still massively problematic.
He did NOT rule there was not fraud. He did NOT rule there was not sufficient fraud to change the outcome.
Most importantly he did NOT rule that the process followed – whether lawful or not was sufficient to preclude fraud.
His ruling has two logically fallcious components.
The first is that if the election laws are such that they allow fraud even if that fraud changes the outcome, then the results must stand.
I suggest you read that again
The first is that if the election laws are such that they allow fraud even if that fraud changes the outcome, then the results must stand.
He ruled that it did not matter if the process and prcedures followed were insufficient to prevent a fraudulent outcome, and that even it there was a fraudulent outcome ot was still legitimate – so long as the WI law was followed.
Then he ruled that the WI law was followed – even though the statutory law was ignored, because the WEC – an executive branch agency had waived the law, and the legislature had implicitly delegated the authority to do so.
Basically he ruled that WI law was not law if the WEC said otherwise.
That is not a decision on the merits.
“It’s supposed to be easy to act on your rights.”
Because you say so ?
There are no (and can be/0 no rights that create a positive obligation of others to act.
That is unsustainable idiocy – and that what is wrong with the left and stupid claims that healthcare is a right.
Did cave men has a right to healthcare.
Rights are things that can not be interfered with by force without justification.
They are not things that are “easy”.
“It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of religion.”
It is ? Who says so ?
The only thing freedom of religion means that no one – especially government can interfere with your right to practice your religion BY FORCE.
“It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of speech.”
It is ? Who says so ?
The only thing freedom of speech means that no one – especially government can interfere with your right to speak BY FORCE.
“It’s supposed to be easy to have freedom of assembly.”
It is ? Who says so ?
The only thing freedom of assembly means that no one – especially government can interfere with your right to assemble BY FORCE.
“It’s supposed to be easy to have due process rights.”
Is is ? Have you been in a criminal court lately ? Ever ?
“It’s supposed to be easy to vote.”
Nope!
The only requirements regarding government restrictions on voting are:
There can be no poll taxes – that is actually a mistake. A small poll tax would be incredibly wise. rooting out people who will not pay $1 to vote would get rid of lots of idiot voters. But the constitution as amended prohibits poll taxes.
And that government may not overtly discriminate in certain ways in voting laws.
There is absolutely no requirement that voting be easy.
The actual requirement is that voting must be trustworthy – even if that requires that it is difficult.
A voting system that does not have near universal trust is no voting system at all – no matter how easy it is.
Voting is part of the process that gives legitimacy to government, it is a part of citizens giving their consent to the government.
Without that consent – there is no government.
You say it should be hard. I say it should be easy. My opinion has just as much value as yours does.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to practice religion, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to speak freely, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to freely assemble, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our due process rights, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to vote, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
“You say it should be hard. I say it should be easy. My opinion has just as much value as yours does.”
False and false.
Everything is not an oppinion – many things are facts.
Further all oppinions are NOT equal. It is the oppinion of paedophiles that they should be free to have sex with children.
That oppinion is NOT equal to other oppinions.
With respect to voting – as I have noted before, the quality of decisions that people make declines the lower the cost of the decision.
That is one of many reasons why “free” anything is a bad idea. When there is no cost to something people are wasteful of it and do not make wise choices. That is true of everything – including elections. The “easier” you make voting – the poorer choices people will make.
That is a FACT.
Your oppinion that voting shoudl be easy is NOT equal to mine that it should not – because your oppinion of necescity will result in people making worse choices.
“It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to practice religion, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to speak freely, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to freely assemble, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our due process rights, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.
It should be easy to prevent the government from interfering with our right to vote, by finding most governmental efforts to interfere unconstitutional.”
Again in the real world – those things are not true. They SHOULD be true, but they are not.
You also invert the burden. It is not MY obligation to prevent government from interfering in my rights – the burden is on government – not me. My rights for the most part pre-exist government.
In this election democrats in several states violated the election laws of their states.
There is no meaningful dispute on this.
Worse but for a few instances, the courts – federal and state have NOT ordered a priori that they do so when asked or sanctioned them a posterio for doing so.
When government does not follow its own laws – “it is NOT easy to prevent government ….”
Thinkthrough, when this year began strong majorities of both Democrats and Republicans wanted Mail-In Votes. But then Republican pollsters told Trump that Mail-In Votes would favor Democrats. Trump then went about a methodical campaign to demonize Mail-In Voting. And that’s where we are.
“Thinkthrough, when this year began strong majorities of both Democrats and Republicans wanted Mail-In Votes.”
They did ? I certainly did not.
As has been noted MANY times – No form of voting is more rife with fraud than mailin voting, and it can not be secured.
I have been fighting FOR secure and trustworthy elections since the fiasco in 2000. Never did I imagine that this country would end up WITHOUT secret ballots – because mailin votes CAN NOT BE SECRET, and are trivially subject to inducement and coercion. ‘
And that are by far the most corrupt form of voting.
We have seen in the US in the past what happens when you do not have secret ballots. Fraud is rampant, votes are bought, and people are coerced into voting specific ways by a whole array of forces.
“But then Republican pollsters told Trump that Mail-In Votes would favor Democrats.”
That is not something pollsters know – this is a ludicrous claim.
Of course mailin voting favors democrats – you get far more low information voters and far more couch potatoes voting.
“Trump then went about a methodical campaign to demonize Mail-In Voting. And that’s where we are.”
He need not have done so – Everyone of consequence who has ever looked into it has noted the many many failings of mailin votes.
The EU has banned them. Even The NYT did a large story on their massive problems – when they were an honest paper.
No one with a brain would think that mailin voting can ever be trustworthy.
It is not a secret ballot – and it can not be.
On average 3-4% of ballots are lost in the mail – either being sent to or from voters.
Any decent mailin voting system REQUIRES far more scrutiny of ballots than in person voting.
IF someone tries to vote for me at my polling place not only will they not have proper ID, but the election officials will recognize that it is not me. No matter what in person voting requires a real human to appear at the polls.
There is no means to assure that a mailin ballot came from a real person and is their actual vote.
It is trivial for anyone with access to registration databases to submit fraudulent votes. And it is dirt cheap to get registration databases.
I could mass produce hundreds of thousands of bogus ballots in my basement.
And think what a foreign power could do ?
This is not and should not be a republican thing.
But you also forget that even after concocting this stupid mailin ballot thing
You STILL did not follow the actual laws that were passed.
And you wonder why you are not trusted ?
Here’s the part that Prascrell leaves out. We should not allow them to be seated and if they persist we should throw them in prison. This is really what he is saying. The question is. Will the supporters of Biden go along with his plan of incarceration? You get what you voted for and you will get it good and hard.
It’s hard to take you seriously when you pretend that someone is really saying something he hasn’t said.
You pretend he said it because it’s easier for you to attack your pretend target.
We are very pleased with the way you are broadcasting propaganda for the CCP. We are watching your every movement and your future looks very bright within the Party
Beijing Biden is just our usual troll trying his best to trivialize the discussion. Trivializing discussions is usually his main thrust.
Take the action to it’s final conclusion. Without the threat of enforcement his statement means nothing. What would the threat of enforcement mean? The Republicans would refuse to leave the floor. It would then be breaking the law. What happens when you break the law. Do I have to take you further through the logical chain of events to have you get it. The threat of enforcement brought to it’s final conclusion does not have to be spelled out word for word for it to be implicitly understood. For some the logical path is too dark and scary to be traversed.
If you think the only way for words to be meaningful is under threat of incarceration, then you must think most people’s words mean nothing. You must think your own words mean nothing because you can’t incarcerate anyone.
You’re not very good at logic.
What happens when you break the law – nothing.
Democrats in the 5 swing states BROKE THE LAW. They did not conduct the election according to their state laws as specified by the legislature and signed by the govenor.
And nothing happened.
What does “enforcement” mean ? That depends greatly and likely depends on your location and precisely what is occurring.
Depending on the purportedly illegal action by republicans and where and when it took place and who the enforcing body is – the outcome right now could easily be nothing.
Are the police likely to enforce anything against the non-violent actions of republicans – that is not certain, and it will depend on where.
But the “defund the police” movement driven by democrats this summer has made police across the country hostile to democrats.
Those on the left and in power should not count on the police to enforce your orders.
What about the national guard ? Again probably the generals would take orders, but it is debatable whether the ordinary soldiers would.
What about the Army – not much different from the national guard. Except even the generals might reduce to act as civilian law enforcement.
The left does not seem to grasp that the people they depend on to ENFORCE the Law are increasingly NOT THEIR FRIENDS.
That is what happens when the left lies to them and piss all over them.
Overall i suspect we have a ways to go before a complete refusal of the police and military to enforce laws – particularly against those acting politically and non-violently. But we are coming to that.
I would further note – that is EXACTLY what the left demanded this summer. That no laws be enforced against “mostly peaceful'” protestors.
Regardless, the failure of the left to follow election laws is a big step towards the breakdown of law and order. The courts failure to order that the law be followed or to remedy it when it was not, takes us a step further.
The left forgets that the legitimacy of government is NOT determined by those in government – not even the courts.
But by ordinary people.
It also forgets both that we are not a democracy and that democracies always fail. The majority is not free to tyranize the minority.
Legitimate government has the sole purpose of securing our rights – not trampling them.
Judges don’t agree with you that Democrats in the 5 swing states broke the law. Why should anyone think that your opinion is more valid than theirs?
I am interested in facts – not judges.
Regardless, your claim is false.
The PA supreme court openly admitted their decision did not follow the law or rhe PA constitution when they without authority extended the deadline for mailin ballots.
There are numerous requirements for PA mailin ballots and their counting. That were all part of a “bipartisan compromise” with Gov. Wolf and democrats. There is no question these were not followed. After getting the PA legislature to allow mailin voting – with numerous constraints to reduce the opertunity for fraud. Gov. Wolf just ignored the constraints. Worse – republican precints were given different guidelines than democratic ones.
What do you think the odds of Wolf and democrats getting future cooperation from Republican legislatures ?
One Trivial thing they could do is radically reduce election funding.
Republican precints can and do often operate on volunteers.
Lets see how Philadelphia manages without any money.
My speculation is not important. What is, is that you have behaved lawlessly – and you are ignorant of the fact that has consequences.
If the courts are unwilling to impose them – if the legislature can not trust either the gov. or the courts to follow the law, if the people can not, that will dramatically effect their future conduct.
Put this in perspective. The Citizens of The United States of America demand the removal of this unqualified individual for his demands by virtue of his failure to live up to the Oath of Office whether he took it or not. That finishes his political clear end of subject.
So at least many comments don’t address the real issue of challenging election results that are outside the bounds of probability except to claim that Trump supporters would the same or worse if they had a majority in both Houses and the Presidency. Never mind that was the case for two years, and outside of a tax cut nothing much happened – except for Hillary’s dossier courtesy of the Russians or Ukrainians or was it the British? No one really wants that question answered, and Mueller did his best rope a dope to make sure it was buried.
Barr is Legacy CIA. Daddy was OSS. Schoolmaster who hired J. Epstein to teach math at Dalton? Yes, well, the Ivy League is definitely a League of its own.
Gaslighting seems to be weapon of choice for the Left. So let them have the government and we will defy it. We will build our own news sources on our own platforms, and control our communities through local elections. We’ll suck hard on the federal teat, and fast to stay lean. They’re going to inflate the markets so grab the essentials and spend as little as you can. The War Party is back in charge.
Trump is the Gaslighter in Chief.
hmsiesel and JoAnn below are both are regular blog troll.
Correction: Not JoAnn. She’s the sane one. I’m so used to seeing the troll answering himself.
For those of you who don’t know Pascrell, he was a communist back in the 1960s & still is. He taught in Paramus High School pumping commie crap into my friends. He’s anything but a pro-American patriot. He’s old now and probably wants to make one last gasp before we’re done listening to him.
Perhaps all Republicans should wear a patch that identifies them as traitors? Let me think……….maybe a bright yellow star that has to be prominently displayed on their clothing at all times? That will work out well in keeping our country safe from all those enemies, traitors and racists fighting against the people..
They already choose to wear MAGA hats.
Perhaps the Democrats would give them a pass if Republicans were rioting and looting instead of fighting peaceably in the court system?
DD 1776. Well then, change tactics. Quit being marshmallows
a more effective nonviolent means than a bunch of lawsuits which are all certain to fail regardless of their merits, would be a mass push to deny the illegitimate fedgov regime income taxes
civil disobedience is the way to go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK1TjWte7OQ&feature=emb_title
listen to these brave leftists who refuse to pay taxes for war. well. they have exactly the right idea!
Sal Sar
The Orlando Sentinel:
“We apologize to our readers for endorsing Michael Waltz in the 2020 general election for Congress.
“We had no idea, had no way of knowing at the time, that Waltz was not committed to democracy.
“During our endorsement interview with the incumbent congressman, we didn’t think to ask, ‘Would you support an effort to throw out the votes of tens of millions of Americans in four states in order to overturn a presidential election and hand it to the person who lost, Donald Trump?’
“Our bad. …”
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-michael-waltz-endorsement-editorial-apology-20201211-a4er2nccfbbeznc6yyqbq5moku-story.html
I think the Congressional amici who are Reps. from the states of PA, GA, MI, and WI should be asked whether they believed that another vote should have been held for **their** seats, since they were on the very same ballots that they believed should be challenged in the suit.
I think the Congressional amici who are Reps. from other states should be asked whether their states should have been defendants along with PA, GA, MI, and WI. Why isn’t Texas also a defendant in the suit? (Yes, I understand that it’s not going to be both the plaintiff and the defendant, but bear with me.) After all, the TX legislature didn’t approve drive-through voting, but that was allowed in Harris County, Texas, per a court order, so according to the suit’s own argument, the legislature should throw out the vote and simply install electors. Should there be another election for the Rep. from Harris County for that same reason? …
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Dāng nǐ zài hóngsè dì dìfāng yǒu péngyǒu shí, qián kěyǐ mǎi dào
that is what money can buy when you have friends in red places
Like Ivanka Trump and her many Chinese trademarks?
Ivanka was with the Russians and now she is a nobody.
Joe is a true CCP believer. I made sure of that. How much are you willing to pay me to join our powerful group? you will likey my honeypot
Ii was born and raised in the city of Chicago. I remember walking by the polling places where lines of drunks who had to be sober on that day would stand in line to get a small piece of paper and go in and vote under that name. When they came out they got money for their next bottle of booze. That was small potatoes to what the Democrats did in this election.
All of the witnesses who came forward and put their name and some even their career on the record to testify at hearings under risk of perjury will now understand that only they will be punished for standing up. One woman that sticks in my mind from Philadelphia was told to alter ballots and said everyone around her was doing it. Thousands of ballots were altered. She was a Democrat and worked for the city and knew she would probably lose her job but she filled out an affidavit and testified about it.
The writers on various sites and the people who write opinions on here that say there was no fraud should be ashamed with how they sold out these brave courageous whistleblowers in not one state but many states. Most of the people that claim there was no fraud admit they never watched the hearings that were televised,or online portions of the hearings or saw the whistleblowers on networks that had them on. Everyone just passed on the no fraud message without bothering to see for themselves. One hidden whistleblower was all you needed to go after Trump but you’re fellow citizens who put forth their faces and names are not to be believed.
Gabby, just explain why Trump has lost in every court.
I endorse Gabby’s comments 100%. I spent much of yesterday watching a hearing before a committee of the Wisconsin legislature where a succession of poll “watchers” (most Republican, some Independents) testified under oath how they were harassed, bullied , screamed at, physically pushed around and generally prevented from doing any effective poll watching in Milwaukee and other Democrat-controlled Wisconsin cities. All the while strange and unexplained things were happening to stacks and stacks of ballots in the back of the room. It was hard to believe they were describing an American election.
As for why those challenging this election (not Trump personally) have “lost in every court”, each case has its own answer to that and stands on its own. To my knowledge (and it is not complete) not one of those cases has been resolved by a decision on the merits. All have been dismissed at one stage or another on procedural or technical grounds, just as Texas’ case was dismissed for lack of “standing” (i.e., that Texas could not bring the case because, even if all of its allegations were true, Texas did not suffer the kind of direct injury from the wrongdoing alleged to qualify as a plaintiff deserving of relief). This election has clearly demonstrated that the courts are totally impotent in dealing with election fraud or other “irregularities” in a situation where a city or a state run by one party decides to promote or even endorse election fraud. Mayor Daley’s Chicago was not the first such situation. It is as old as elections and has been perfected in many other countries, I.e., Soviet Union, Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, etc. A preview of coming attractions.
And it could get worse. If the Democrats succeed in eliminating the Electoral College and in making the national popular vote the determinant in future elections, (and they want to do this precisely because they want fraud to become national and not local, because they are so good at it), there will be a powerful incentive in every precinct in the country to run up the vote wherever you can get away with it. A precinct in San Francisco with 10,000 voters will record 50,000 votes for the Democrat and dare the courts to do something about it. So, of course, unless something is done to STOP it, the Republicans, against their general nature to be law-abiding, will have to respond in kind. It is inevitable. It is an exceedingly slippery slope.
Wise Old Man, you and Gabby are the same old troll. Gabby never lived in Chicago and you saw nothing on Wisconsin.
Thank you for saying that.
I am only doing as I promised I would do.
Some of them aren’t to be believed.
Consider Mellissa Carone, one of the witnesses in MI (shown in this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2f3aw9rk30
A judge ruled her allegations “simply are not credible”: https://www.michigan.gov/documents/sos/Opinion_and_order_Nov_13_2020_707794_7.pdf
It was discovered later that Carone and her fiancé had stalked his ex-wife over a two-year period by sending the ex-wife tapes of Carone having sex with the fiancé. She was charged under the name Mellissa Wright with first degree obscenity and using a computer to commit a crime, pleaded down to disorderly conduct, and has just finished her probation.
Anyone who legit thinks 80 million plus people voted for Joe Biden needs their heads checked.
Even Democrats know deep down this is a monkey rigged “election”
Some people think that the earth is flat and that anyone who believes the Earth is round needs to have their head checked.
Good analogy.
But I would note that it is those on the left that think that they can have a free education.
What is the difference between someone who thinks that the earth is flat, and someone who thinks that millions of people can magically get something of value for nothing ?
What does it take before a super majority of people grasp that the left and democrats are not merely unhinged – they are dangerous.
It is EVIL to attempt to use political power to punish others offending you.
SCOTUS just rejected the Texas lawsuit. This is not surprising. None of the courts want to touch the mess democrats have made of this election with a ten foot poll.
Further had SCOTUS accepted the lawsuit they would have been forced to rule in Texas’s favor – becuas the facts are indisputable and the only question is the remedy.
And the facts are that democrats have made certain that NO REMEDY is possible.
Contra democrats and the left – no one has found that these states followed their own laws NO ONE!!
The behavior of swing state executives was completely lawless.
I am disappointed in SCOTUS as the alternatives to the courts requiring the these states to follow their own laws are all MORE dangerous.
This SCOTUS decision MAY cause subsequent court challenges to fizzle but it will do absolutely nothing to remedy the underlying problem.
But they have left 10’s of millions in this country convinced not only that this election was fraudulent, but that there is no hope for future honest elections.
That Democrats have a fraudulent advantage in all future elections that may not be possible to overcome.
All of us – including those on the left should think seriously about that.
According to the declaration of independence the remedy for lawless government is violence.
That may not be the immediate consequence, but it is where we are headed if this nonsense continues.
The choice existed for democrats in swing states to follow their election laws.
Had they done so – whatever the results the election would be vied as legitimate by a super majority of americans.
Today it is not.
When government breaks the law and there is no remedy within the system – the remedy comes from outside.
We saw a version of that this summer with violent left wing nut protests.
If we are see $2B in destruction and deaths as a consequence of the suspicious death of one black man in the midst of a drug overdose.
What do you think the consequence might be for a lawless election ?
My guess is that things will simmer until the GA Senate Election.
But if the same shenangans occur in that – things may get completely out of control.
I do not think the left understand how close they are to provoking a violent response.
Todate nearly all political violence in this country has been from the left.
That is near certain to start to shift in the coming months.
We should remember that the OKC bombing was a direct response to Ruby Ridge.
I don’t ever want to hear Democrats talk about “voter suppression” bullsh*t ever again. They are liars, thieves and cheaters. They hold NO moral high ground on ANY issue. None.
Republicans are still suppressing Black votes all over the south
Prove it.
They can’t prove it.
Democrats and their corrupt biased Democrat state run media are disgusting, all of them, from Tapper to Todd to Nicole Wallace to Chris Whiny Wallace to Pelosi to Schumer to Schiff to Swallowell, to Auntie Maxine to all of the corrupt, lying, dishonest, self-enriching disgusting Anti-American Democrat party leadership including the Biden Family Crime Cartel and all the rest of them. They hate this country! Vote them ALL out!
They are ? Because you say so ?
Facts, logic, reason. Make an argument
For two centuries democrats continue to think that blacks are too stupid to take care of themselves like everyone else.
One Dropbox per county in Texas. Much longer lines in predominantly black precincts. Elections on Tuesdays instead of Saturday or Sunday as in the rest of the Western world. Repeated purging of voter rolls. Florida’s attempts to reimpose a poll tax on felons who have completed their sentences. How many more do you need?
“One Dropbox per county in Texas”
That would be white counties and black ones correct ?
How is that discrimination ?
“Much longer lines in predominantly black precincts.”
Then the democrats who run those precincts should not have wasted the federal and state funds they were given for elections.
Sounds like democrats discriminating against minorities to me.
This is much like the idiocy that the police are engaged in systemic racism today against blacks.
Even if true – that would be the democratic police forces in democrat controlled cities.
“Elections on Tuesdays instead of Saturday or Sunday as in the rest of the Western world.”
Again how is that racist ? I am white, I work on Tuesdays. And why do I presume that what the rest of the world does is right ?
British elections are held on Thursday. Need I check other elections in other countries.
“Repeated purging of voter rolls.”
Required by federal law. Also required by sanity. You do not need dead people to remain on voter registration rolls forever.
As a practical matter – require state issued photo ID and in person elections, and you do not need voter registration at all.
“Florida’s attempts to reimpose a poll tax on felons who have completed their sentences.”
Florida’s laws regarding Felon’s are the same as nearly every other state including California.
Felon’s have not completed their sentence anywhere in the US until they have met ALL conditions and punishments imposed on them – that includes fines and costs and compensation to victims.
Also are you claiming that Blacks are more likely to be felon’s than whites ? Isn’t that a racist claim ?
“How many more do you need?”
Only one that is actual voting discrimination against blacks.
Most of your claims above are exactly what i said – Democrats think that Blacks are inferior. Unable to live up to the same standards as whites. You seem to think that blacks need more dropboxes than whites. that either they take longer to vote or that they mismanage election funds, that blacks are incapable of voting in the morning or evening. That blacks are less able to repay society for their crimes.
I don’t. Blacks and other minorities are not inferior to whites. They are as able to manage their own affairs – including vote as whites.
You sound an awful lot like a racist to me.
ATF knew macveigh was coming. That’s why none of them were there that day
McVeigh and the people who packed his van were probably at least half, informants for various federal alphabet soup agencies
sure, they could gin up some right wing violence today again quite easily. they just hire people to do it and let them think they have transactional immunity
then the mass media will love it, another pretext to crack down on right wingers, ban guns, etc.
this all keeps on happening over and over
Gun Control act of 68 was responsive to the alleged lone nut Oswald who bough his rifle through the mail
Well Oswald and MacVeigh had a lot in common, most of all, they were veterans, who faked their exit from federal service, but kept on at it surreptitiously
and the net effect of their acts, both, ended up handing more power to the Deep State agencies
it will happen again, yes
My point was that when government behaves lawlessly, citizens are increasingly violent.
DUBIOUS PASSAGE FROM COLUMN:
“Tens of millions of Americans believe that the election was not fair, including many Democratic voters”.
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Professor Turley has claimed before that “many Democrats’ question the election results. But Turley has never cited any surveys to support this claim. ..How curious..! Do we honestly believe a significant number of Democrats ‘support’ Trump’s efforts to invalidate key states?? It’s ridiculous to think so. But a certain number of Democrats might think Biden won be even bigger margins. Though again, I have yet to see any reliable polls concerning these Democrats.
Eric wanted me to get that number down but he would not pay me. Since Joe was already taken by the Party, you get what you pay for. What are you willing to pay me? Ask me for any favors and I will deliver but you must pay me
just an FYI, Honeypot, comments on this site have indicated that guy is not into women, says he is located in west hollywood. If you offered him Eric Swalwell as his honeypot that might be his preference
It seems that JT is very supportive of Trump and his allies of their far reaching, long shot, and continual efforts to challenge the election results through law suits, recounts, and lobbying state legislators and officials based on Federal and State constitutional and statutory provisions but when Democrats propose using other constitutional and statutory provisions and attorney bar rules in response to those challenges he is vehemently against those legal efforts and processes. Perhaps JT can address or explain what seems like a double standard and hypocrisy to me.
If the tables were turned here, ie, Trump winning and Biden chasing his victory, trying to overturn it, across the federal court landscape. Coupled with 126 Dems signing on co-spnsors of legal suit to overturn the election, thus disfranchising tens of millions of votes, this is exactly what the Trumpublicans in Congress would try. So good on Rep.Pascrell for pointing out the provisions in the 14th Amendment which would prevent those whose seditious efforts would undermine the very foundation of our democracy. It’s an extraordinary remedy for a most extraordinary challenge to “one man one vote ” and should be implemented. Something has to stop this madness where 1/4 of our constitutionally-bound representatives seek to ignore their oaths to country and pledge their allegiance to an impeached and forever disgraced president.
If the tides were turned Trump supporters would be occupying every court house and state house armed with assault rifles. And that is if they were in a good mood.
JT: “Pascrell is declaring that 120 House Republicans signing a “Friend of the Court brief” (or amicus brief) . . . should be blocked from taking their seats in Congress.”
If some states are looking for a reason to secede, he just provided it.
They tried to disenfranchise tens of millions of votes including their own constituents and wanted to install an un-elected president. They really have no legs to stand on when others try to deny them their seats that they won. I do believe that they should be seated, but called out and shamed for the rest of their lives. Their official title when called on in the House should from now on be “The Dishonorable Representative from [State] who Wanted to Cancel Their Constituents Vote”
The ones being disenfranchised are the tens of millions of Trump voters who had their votes cancelled by a few ballot box stuffers.
What’s your evidence of ballot box stuffing?
Except that did not happen.There were many highly partisan Trumpers searching for evidence of voter fraud and they all came up with nothing that a court would accept as credible.
You think a statement from one Rep. is reason to secede? Overreact much?
What this swamp snake is trying to do is right out of the communist play book.Looks like the communists have won as soon as Ma Commie Harris can get rid of the Creep it will be free sailing for the communists and that is where this is headed .Whats the use just as well give up and shut my mouth .
For full disclosure Turley, are you a paid consultant of the Trump administration, super pac or any organization in support for the Trump administration?
Fishwings:
You keep posting the same comment.
Take a hint; if Turley hasn’t answered you, it is either because he doesn’t want to answer you, or hasn’t noticed you yet.
Send him a note directly and stop looking so pathetic in public.
Does this buffoon have anything between his ears other than sheep dung? I think not.
“Roughly 70 percent of Republican voters believe the election was stolen.” So what? believing something does not make it true. She people believe the earth is flat. Should we ban airline travel and sea travel because people will fall off the edge of the earth?
Stop it, People believe falsehoods because someone puts them forward as true. My congressman signed on to this mad Supreme Court attempt at disenfranchising millions of voters. Yes, I think my congressman is guilty of sedition. There is no proof, not a shred that fraud on a scale to elect Biden occurred. Saying its true does not make it true. This was a bold attempt at a coup to keep in power someone that lost the election. What do you call when someone tries to take over the government and disregard the will of the voters?
Stop it, stop it now. Saying something does not make it true.
“70 million people believe it so there must be some truth” is all the got now. The law is against them and the facts are against them, so the only thing they can do is convince their followers of lies, then turn around and say that since their followers believe it, it must be true.
Paul, You do know that most of Turley’s base is Trump’s base. And they live in a bubble of “truth isn’t truth” and “alternative facts”
So, you think a judge keeping the audited Dominion machine results didn’t happen? You think all the affidavit testimony is false? You think all the bogus ballot testimony isn’t true?
Shows how bad you want to win an election. Bad enough to steal it.
Let’s remind you that for there to be this massive voting fraud that Trump claims, it would have be be covered up by hundreds of local elections officials (both R and D), about a dozen Secretaries of State (both R and D), the FBI, the federal office of election security, the DoJ, and the entire Federal Judiciary. And all of them must cover it up while there are many very partisan people out actively looking for evidence of fraud.
Or, alternately, the claims of voter fraud are wrong.
So why didn’t the Demos win all the senate races in states the Demos won the Prez? Makes no sense, If you are going to throw the election, then throw the election. Why does the Prez always end his false statements with “everyone knows this is true?” Does everyone know that the earth is flat? Massive fraud did not occur. Even Repos say so. Trump breaks everything he touches. I await the day in late January when he and his family will be indicted on state charges of tax fraud. There is the real fraud. If you listen to all of Trumps yelling about the wrongdoing that everyone else has done. Just stop a minute and ask if all that wrong doing might actually be what Trump himself is guilty of. Here is another test of the “dear leader”, will he pardon himself and his family? If he does this, why?
A lot of the affidavit testimony is hearsay, not eye witness testimony.
Some of the affidavit testimony is about totally legal acts that the person simply didn’t understand and thought was nefarious.
All allegations of fraud should be investigated. There have been arrests of a small number of individuals who attempted election fraud. Some complaints have been shown to be baseless: https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html
Other investigations are ongoing, for example: https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/gbi-using-hand-picked-task-force-help-look-into-possible-election-fraud-across-state/KX2F2JU3FNFWHCEYON77XKES6A/
You are living in fantasyland. You do not need to prove how a wrong occurred to know a wrong occurred. The wrong extends to Big Tech’s role, and many answers that have not been answered. It’s a lot like Biden’s laptop. The suppression will end after the deed is done.
You need to prove that wrong did occur. So prove it instead of assuming it.
Did you prove Russian Collusion ?
It is pretty much established – By the Biden’s at this point that the laptop and hard drive that are in FBI posession are Hunter Bidens’
It is established that Joe Biden knew of his son’s business dealings in Ukraine and China – Hunter Biden said that he did.
It is proven that democratic election officials did not follow their state laws in 5 cities in this country.
Need I go on ?
One of the consequences of burning your own credibility and intergrity – is that it is NOT necescary to prove anything to you or about you.
Just because there are millions of americans who think that the election was stolen does not mean that they have brains. More Americans than that believe in Christ and some Holy Ghost.
Millions of Americans believe in systemic racism fraud and that Adam Schiff has had incontrovertible proof of Russian collusion.