Sen. Shaheen Calls Out Colleagues Questioning Biden’s Victory As Possible Traitors

My column in the Hill addresses how Democrats are increasingly adopting the rhetoric and tactics of Donald Trump. There is a sense of immunity — or Trumpunity — being exercised by former critics in using language once denounced in Trump. An example is  Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H. The Senator went on CNN where Trump was regularly (and correctly) chastised for calling opponents “traitors” and “enemies of the people.” Now however Shaheen is declaring that any members of Congress who continue to question the victory of Joe Biden “are bordering on sedition and treason.”

It is an increasingly heard charge from political and media figures who are insisting that questioning the election results constitutes an attack on democracy. Of course, it was not an attack on Democracy for Hillary Clinton to insist that Biden challenge any Trump victory. It was not treason when Democrats sought to block the elector votes of Ohio in 2004.  They were defending democracy.  However, when a challenge was filed before the United States Supreme Court, Pennsylvania Attorney General Jeff Rosen declared the very petition to be a “seditious act.”

As I have said before, filing in courts and raising objections in Congress is operating within the court and constitutional systems. Sedition is trying to overthrow such legal systems. Filing court challenges is the antithesis of sedition; it is relying on the rule of law.

Yet, Shaheen declared on CNN “These senators and members of Congress who have refused to acknowledge that we had a free and fair election in which Joe Biden beat Donald Trump by over 7 million votes, are bordering on sedition and treason.”

Shaneen and her colleagues denounced Trump for calling people traitors and sought to protect officials who denounced his use of the label “enemies of the people” against reporters. Just two years ago, Trump was called a Stalin for using such labels by Democrats.

Polls show that over 70 percent of Republicans and many independents and Democrats believe that this election was flawed or even rigged. Are they all traitors?

We have a constitutional system that allows for such concerns to be raised in the courts and in Congress. That is part of our rule of law. It is designed to allow people to work within the system. It is the very thing that combats sedition. While we often disagree with courts or Congress, we yield to the ultimate decisions as the result of a system that we all support.

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  1. Fox New Forced To Air Tape Debunking False Election Claims

    Something surprising happened Friday night on Lou Dobbs’s top-rated show on the Fox Business Network.

    Dobbs, an opinion host and conservative ally of President Trump who has consistently raged over the past month that the president was robbed of a second term by a rigged election, introduced a segment that calmly debunked several accusations of fraud that Rudolph W. Giuliani and other Trump supporters have lobbed against the election technology company Smartmatic.

    “There are lots of opinions about the integrity of the election, the irregularities of mail-in voting, of election voting machines and voting software,” Dobbs told his viewers before introducing Edward Perez, an expert with the nonprofit Open Source Election Technology Institute, to give “his assessment of Smartmatic and recent claims about the company.”

    Perez then appeared in an apparently pretaped segment, where he shot down various conspiracy theories in response to questions from an off-camera, unidentified voice — not Dobbs’s.

    The segment, it turns out, was in response to a 20-page legal demand letter that was sent this month by Smartmatic to Fox News Media. Similar letters went to Fox’s smaller competitors on the right, Newsmax and One America News. The letters demanded “a full and complete retraction of all false and defamatory statements and reports” aired by the network in its coverage of the Nov. 3 presidential election.

    Specifically, the company charged: “Fox News has engaged in a concerted disinformation campaign against Smartmatic. Fox News told its millions of viewers and readers that Smartmatic was founded by [the late Venezuelan President] Hugo Chávez, that its software was designed to fix elections, and that Smartmatic conspired with others to defraud the American people and fix the 2020 U.S. election by changing, inflating, and deleting votes.”

    In the legal letter, Smartmatic included segments from Dobbs’s prime-time show as examples of “false and defamatory statements/implications,” with some comments coming from Dobbs himself — Dobbs said on Nov. 18 that the company consists of “left-wing radicals” — and others from guests such as Giuliani and onetime Trump campaign attorney Sidney Powell.

    Fox News confirmed to The Washington Post on Saturday that the fact-checking segment seen on Dobbs’s show Friday night will also air on “Justice with Judge Jeanine,” hosted on Saturday night by Jeanine Pirro and “Sunday Morning Futures,” hosted on Sunday morning by Maria Bartiromo, the shows mentioned in the demand letter. (Smartmatic had demanded that the corrections “must be published on multiple occasions” and must be made during prime-time shows, so as to “match the attention and audience targeted with the original defamatory publications.”)

    Edited From: “Lou Dobbs Debunks His Own Claims Of Election Fraud After Legal Demand From Smartmatic”

    The Washington Post, 12/19/20

    1. “Fox New Forced To Air Tape Debunking False Election Claims”

      As is typical, leftist propagandists (who call themselves “the media”) are misrepresenting this story. They are attempting to give the public the impression that the Dobbs segment retracts claims of election fraud. It does *not*. That segment focuses only on certain claims made about Smartmatic — a mere pipsqueak in the voting systems industry.

      The bad actor here is the one with a nationwide footprint — the one with a history of corruptible machines, a China investment, and a thoroughly corrupt Security Chief (Eric Coomer). That company is: Dominion Voting Systems.

      (And, yes, I have seen Dominion’s “demand letter” to Powell — which is pure political theater (gobbled up by the media), and a preemptory strike intended to distract attention away from the real targets of fraud: the inherent corruptibility of its machines, the China investment, and its utterly corrupt (former?) Security Chief.

      Here is a link to the Dobbs segment:

      1. Totally correct Sam. We are dealing with a dunderhead. Everyone should listen to your video that doesn’t add any good information to what is already known.

        1. Thanks, SM.

          I forgot to add an important point about Dominion’s “demand letter” to Powell. It is a (threatened) SLAPP — a “strategic lawsuit against public participation.” Dominion was hoping that the media would lap it up, and vomit it out. Which it did. Their intent is to intimidate and silence their critics. They’re hoping that the demand letter has a chilling effect.

    2. “Fox New Forced To Air Tape Debunking False Election Claims”

      False headline made to appear real.

      WaPo and the NYT spin the news and you spin with it. You lap up their spin and then repeat it making you sound like a moron. If there were significant things said the NYT would have quoted them. When the NYT doesn’t have the quotes they make up stories.

      That is the basis of your news. Total spin and you edit it so the headlines you post make up even greater fantasies. Though there is no separation between the headline and the article you wrote, the former demonstrates your attempt to deceive anyone who reads what you write. You are also a purveyor of ignorance. Anyone reading your MSM articles probably knows the articles are mostly trash and the headlines you write worse trash. Those that don’t know are the low information type.

      The video in question was near meaningless. It provided other opinions that were weak and without the appropriate expertise in the matter. If Smartmatic wished to prove a point the CEO and head of technology would have been asked these questions under oath.

      What did Perez actually say? “It’s my understanding.”” I am not aware” He did admit that an executive at Smartmatic has a relationship with Soros. Does Perez have the in depth knowledge of what went on? No. This claim is near meaningless though the Shill made it appear as if it were the entire ballgame.

      Once again a big nothing by Peter Shill, Seth Warner or any other names of several dozen that he has chosen.

      1. S. Meyer is our usual troll first known as ‘Estovir’. He is also known as Rhodes, James, Em, Princess Trohar, Publious and countless other puppets. He is ‘not’ an honest broker in any political discussions. Here, above, he is simply responding to himself (Sam).

        1. Anonymous go fight with the other anonymous who has a completely different view of who is who. Either you are silly or the other anonymous is silly. Alternatively you both can be silly and express the silliness quite frequently.

        2. No, Anon. @ 11:35, S. Meyer is the person who used to post under the name Allan. He’s a different person than Estovir, and he’s a different person than Sam.

          But you’re right that he’s not an honest broker.

          1. Talking about honest brokers, anonymous, one has to ask, where is your honesty? Vile statements without proof is not the sign of an honest person and that is your basis of attack. You have almost nothing to say except to insult those with whom you disagree. When you do say something it is generally wrong, lacks substance or is totally juvenile . We can see that over and over again in your continuous hit and run posting. You have that choice, but then the blog becomes a place less enjoyable for everyone else that has nothing to do with your personal issues.

  2. Speaking Of ‘Traitors’:



    Hours after Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told a conservative radio show host that “we can say pretty clearly that it was the Russians” behind the vast hack of the federal government and American industry, he was contradicted on Saturday by President Trump, who sought to muddy the intelligence findings by raising the possibility that China was responsible.

    Defying the conclusions of experts inside and outside the government who say the attack was a cybersecurity breach on a scale Washington has never experienced, Mr. Trump also played down the severity of the hack, saying “everything is well under control,” insisting that the news media has exaggerated the damage and suggesting, with no evidence, that the real issue was whether the election results had been compromised.

    “There could also have been a hit on our ridiculous voting machines during the election,” he wrote on Twitter in his latest iteration of that unfounded conspiracy theory. He tagged Mr. Pompeo, the latest cabinet member to anger him, in his Twitter post.

    With 30 days left in office, Mr. Trump’s dismissive statements made clear there would be no serious effort by his administration to punish Russia for the hack, and national security officials say they are all but certain to hand off the fallout and response to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    Mr. Trump’s tweet was his first comment on the hack, which came to light a week ago. Privately, the president has called the hack a “hoax” and pressured associates to downplay its significance and push alternate theories for who is responsible, two people familiar with the exchanges said.

    The president’s unexplained reluctance to blame Russia — which through its embassy in Washington has denied complicity in the attack — has only complicated the response, investigators say.

    Until Mr. Pompeo made his assessment in an interview on “The Mark Levin Show,” the administration had all but ignored the attack in public.

    Edited from:  “Trump Contradicts Pompeo Over Russia’s Role In Hack”

    The New York Times, 12/19/20

    1. Take note that the NYT is not reporting news, it is creating it. Bits of truth are intertwined with their story that is hyping all aspects of what actually happened. They could have quoted Trump’s remark but that wouldn’t show the story the NYT wished to create.

      Take note how silent the NYT is of Biden’s dealings with China and how they stayed away from writing about emails, testimony etc. that link Biden to potentially criminal behavior.

      Now put the pieces together. Biden’t in trouble over his involvement with China so focus on Russia to take attention off of Biden. After all Biden hasn’t had any significant press interviews though he was on Colbert. Where is the press?

      Like magicians the MSM are deflecting everyone’s attention from what is actually happening making people look at Russia when China is the big threat to the US and a threat to Biden. Follow the money. The Biden’s have been selling influence for almost 50 years and most recently have been selling the US down the drain.

      1. Meyer the hack was massive. If Trump denies it that’s a red flag. It goes to show the Mueller Probe was totally warranted. The sooner Trump is gone the more secure this country will be.

        1. It goes to show the Mueller Probe was totally warranted.

          Indicting a catering company, trying to extort false testimony by charging people with process crimes, and trying to manufacture an obstruction charge against the president for firing and employee who lied to him and for obstructing Weissman’s fanciful obstruction investigation. Totally warranted.

          1. Tabby, Paul Manafort worked for a Putin protégé. Manafort was recommended to Trump by Roger Stone. Roger Stone was the link between Trump’s campaign and Wikileaks.

            This idea that the Mueller Probe only snagged low fruit ignores the obvious deceit of Trump’s first campaign.

            Paul Manafort and Roger Stone are the swampiest creatures Washington ever produced.

            1. Anon-ChiCom, how did the case against the 13 Russians Mueller indicted work out?

              Answer: It was dropped by Mueller’s Prosecutors and summarily dismissed by the Judge, because there was zero evidence that they had done anything to interfere with the 2016 election.

              Yet, you and your fellow trolls like Committed to Dishonesty, et al, acted like it was Trump’s Waterloo when they were indicted. How well I remember the cries of of how Trump would be perp walked out of the White House and sent to prison.

              But now, Barr has set Durham loose at the 11th hour, and the entire Russiagate canard will be exposed. Likewise for Barr allowing the Hunter Biden-China-Ukraine investigation cat out of the bag.

              All thanks to the idiots at the DNC getting in bed with the elitist Republicans inside the Lincoln Project to get rid of Trump. A perfect example of “There is no honor among thieves”.

              So, Biden will be hobbled by Chinagate. Pooh Bear Jinping is trying to figure out if he should sh*t all over himself, or just go blind, for trusting a lifer coke addict to keep his sh*t together, and on top of all of that, Joe has Dementia.

              They play dirty and rough in the swamp. And Bill Barr is one of the largest and smartest Gators to ever ply its waters.

              In the meantime, you’re still just a two bit punk with a low IQ.

            2. This idea that the Mueller Probe only snagged low fruit ignores the obvious deceit of Trump’s first campaign.

              They dusted off a tax charge that the Tax Division had taken a pass on several years earlier in order to put Manafort in a position where he might offer false testimony useful to them. The charges against him had nothing to do with the campaign, for which he’d been employed for just a few months in 2016. The charges against Stone were absurdly contrived and the conduct of Weissman and federal law enforcement (an early morning raid) made them all look like clowns.

              1. Art- “the conduct of Weissman and federal law enforcement (an early morning raid) made them all look like clowns.”
                Yes, Clowns, but Pennywise armed clowns.

        2. Again you prove that you can blow yourself up but the slightest pin prick deflates everything you say.

          Any intrusion into our security systems is bad. How bad, neither you or I know, but we can read a hyped up story and then expansion of that story by the Shill. This has nothing to do with the Mueller fiasco except that perhaps our intelligence agencies were too focused on Trump to protect us from our enemies outside our borders.

          This in no way changes the dynamics. The left has wanted focus on Trump and Putin when a more appropriate focus would have been Clinton and the left on Putting because that is where the scandals are. Even Biden is involved, $3.5 million from the Russians. But the Russians are not the most dangerous. The Chinese are far more dangerous and with time grow stronger with the help of people like the Bidens, certain billionaires, certain high tech and Certain legislators and deep state bureaucrats.

          What the left is trying to do is deflect us from the real danger, China and place it on Russia. That demonstrates they are more concerned with politics than the survival of our country.

          1. Meyer, if Trump denies what Pompeo acknowledges that’s a red flag that only hard core troll would dismiss.

            1. You gravitate towards the stupid side. Trump didn’t deny what Pompeo said. He added to it. No one can be sure at this time who is responsible. Not only that but more than one power might have been acting in concert. Pompeo’s job is difficult because the nature of his job is frequently secret and cannot be disclosed because of national security. You don’t care about national security so you don’t think in those terms. He cannot always be truthful… Too dangerous.

          2. Allan the sad thing is, Trump and Putin have known what they’ve been up to for a long time, and it leaves the gullible among us such as yourself to create a ratinoale for clearly problematic behavior. IOW Trump and Putin know they’re lying and are fine with leaving it at that while you scramble to make sense of it. It’s actually really sad to watch as it takes place.

            1. Your problem is a lack of understanding of the world today. Prove it is in Putin’s best interests that Trump remain as President. To date on this blog no one has been able to provide cogent reasons for such an alliance.

              If you make such a statement the least you can do is provide a logic to prove your contention to be true. If one can’t do that then you are not logical and not making much sense. I am neither Allan nor Meyer but have followed your ramblings which generally are insults or make no sense.

              My interests are not with the election, Trump or Putin. They are focused on China which has infiltrated America in many ways in an attempt to destroy American values and its society. You don’t have interest in that so we have very little to speak about.

            2. “Allan the sad thing is, Trump and Putin have known what they’ve been up to for a long time”

              This was directed to me. You accuse people of being gullible but at the same time you are unable to show why Putin would favor Trump especially when Trump is so damaging to Putin and the Russian economy.

              Generally when people make comments of this fashion they express a rationale as to why, but you seem to have any rational nor can you respond to those things that would prove to a logical person that Putin would not want Trump to continue in office.

              Try using logic before you call another gullible. You won’t have so much egg on your face.

    -Justice for Black Farmers Act will reform the U.S. Department of Agriculture and create land grant program to encourage new generation of Black farmers

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – The Party today announced that Senators Cory Booker (NJ), Elizabeth Warren (MA), and Kirsten Gillibrand (NY) introduced landmark legislation aimed at addressing and correcting historic discrimination within the U.S. Department of Agriculture in federal farm assistance and lending that has caused Black farmers to lose millions of acres of farmland and robbed Black farmers and their families of hundreds of billions of dollars of inter-generational wealth.

    In 1920 there were nearly 1 million Black farmers in the United States. Today, due to this history of discrimination, it is estimated that there are less than 50,000 remaining Black farmers.

    The Justice for Black Farmers Act will enact policies to end discrimination within the USDA, protect remaining Black farmers from losing their land, provide land grants to create a new generation of Black farmers and restore the land base that has been lost, and implement systemic reforms to help family farmers across the United States.

    “Overtly discriminatory and unjust federal policy has robbed Black families in the United States of the ability to build and pass on intergenerational wealth,” said Senator Booker. “When it comes to farming and agriculture, we know that there is a direct connection between discriminatory policies within the USDA and the enormous land loss we have seen among Black farmers over the past century. The Justice for Black Farmers Act will work to correct this historic injustice by addressing and correcting USDA discrimination and taking bold steps to restore the land that has been lost in order to empower a new generation of Black farmers to succeed and thrive.”

    “For decades, racist policies have robbed Black farmers of the economic opportunity to thrive in our country’s agricultural industry. I’m glad to cosponsor Senator Booker’s bill, which goes a long way toward restoring and protecting property rights of Black farmers, rooting out discriminatory policies, and providing Black farmers with the necessary tools to succeed,” said Senator Warren.

    “Black farmers and ranchers have been historically excluded in agricultural industries and inequities in federal aid have stripped them from their land. It is not only our responsibility to investigate this systemic discrimination, we must end and correct it so that the next generation of Black farmers can bloom,” said Senator Gillibrand, a member of the Senate Agriculture Committee. “The Justice for Black Farmers Act will ensure the Department of Agriculture puts an end to discriminatory practices that have harmed Black agricultural producers for more than a hundred years. I thank Senator Booker for his leadership on this issue and I’m proud to cosponsor this legislation to make farming more equitable and inclusive.”

    “For generations, the cries of Black farmers dispossessed of land and livelihood have gone unnoticed,” said Leah Penniman, Co-Executive Director and Farm Manager, Soul Fire Farm. “In my 25 years as a farmer and land justice worker, I never dared to imagine that such an elegant, fair, and courageous piece of legislation as the Justice for Black Farmers Act could be introduced. We now have the opportunity to correct decades of discrimination, preserve agricultural lands, and equip the next generation of farmers who will feed the nation. Senator Booker and Senator Warren deserve profound credit for listening when no one else would.”

    “The Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund proudly endorses this historical legislation drafted in support of justice for Black farmers,” said Cornelius Blanding, Executive Director, Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund. “It is a long time coming and definitely a giant leap in the direction of justice, equity and recognizing the value of Black farmers to agriculture and our Nation. This Act also begins to address the many wrongs and harm inflicted on Black farmers, their communities and our nation as a whole because of these wrongs. We applaud the efforts and courage of Senators Booker, Warren and Gillibrand and the many feet that were a part of this giant leap.”

    The full statement is available here:

    Immediate implementation of these guidelines is authorized under previously approved directives adopted in response to the COVID-19 emergency. Further information on these guidelines will be communicated as circumstances dictate.

    1. Party,
      I have *a lot* of questions and concerns about this proposed bill.

      We definitely need more farmers, period. Most are well over 60 and the percentage of young, beginning farmers is not enough to replace those retiring or dying.

      That said, citing the 1920 Black farming population, as though it is a big deal, doesn’t make much sense. The overall farming population in 1920 was like 30% of the population. Now, it is less than 3%. Many farmers lost their farms in the 1930s; then, more farmers lost their farms in the farming crisis of the 1980s. Aside from that, quite a few farmers left to head to factories (that have since vanished overseas). Their kids didn’t stay to keep up the farm either; it too often was considered a sign of achievement if you ‘got off the farm’s. All of these same things affected Black farmers, too.

      I distrust assertions without citations, and there were quite a few of these regarding discriminatory practices in the USDA. It is unelpful to not cite the problems–maybe most have been fixed. There are problems affecting farmers, especially beginning farmers, no matter their race. Focus on these problems, much of it surrounding college debt, as well as the access to land (in general since land is very expensive) and the start-up costs–maybe even the biggest problem at all is education since so many people are completely unfamiliar now with where food comes from. There are good internships out there for young people interested in farming. There is also a beginning farmer organization.

      There is a lot to tease out in the concerns expressed by Booker, Warren, and Gillibrand. Focusing on equity and past problems is not the best means to solving the shortage of farmers. I agree getting more kids, no matter their background, interested in farming, especially regenerative farming, is extremely important–we are getting too short on farmers to focus on race. Let people’s interests drive their aspirations, not their heritage.

      1. Dear Ms. Rose:

        Thank you for your interest in the Party’s efforts to restore Justice for Black Farmers. In times of uncertainty, it is only natural that persons affected by necessary change experience feelings of uncertainty and doubt.

        The Party draws inspiration and moral clarity from the efforts of leaders such as President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, who successfully pioneered land-use reforms in that country after Zimbabwe threw of the yoke of colonial racism. These reforms led directly to unprecedented levels of equity, unity and economic growth.

        For further information on the doctrinal underpinnings of the Justice for Black Farmers Act and other related initiatives, please contact your local Party Secretariat for Education and Discipline.

        Immediate implementation of these guidelines is authorized under previously approved directives adopted in response to the COVID-19 emergency. Further information on these guidelines will be communicated as circumstances dictate.

        1. Party,
          “The Party draws inspiration and moral clarity from the efforts of leaders such as President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, who successfully pioneered land-use reforms in that country after Zimbabwe threw of the yoke of colonial racism. These reforms led directly to unprecedented levels of equity, unity and economic growth.”

          Yeah, I thought so. However, it did not lead to unprecedented economic growth. Taking land away from those who knew farming well and giving it those who didn’t meant that Zimbabwe was no longer the breadbasket it once was.

          Here are the consequences of giving land to ‘redress colonial imbalances’:
          “A vibrant agricultural industry that exported tobacco and roses and grew most of the food the nation needed collapsed. Periodic food shortages ensued, inflation became the world’s highest and the manufacturing industry was decimated. What was one of Africa’s richest countries became one of its poorest.”

          The headline: “Zimbabwe Gives Land Back to White Farmers After Wrecking Economy”

          “The government recently announced that these farmers would be given their land back.”

          “Mr Mugabe’s response was to give his war veterans – those who fought in Zimbabwe’s 1970s liberation struggle against white-minority rule – carte blanche to invade white-owned commercial farms, under the guise of restoring historical imbalances in land ownership.

          Since then the country has fallen from breadbasket to begging basket, one of the least food-secure nations on the planet with unemployment at unprecedented levels – some analysts say it is 90%.

          The tobacco sector has rebounded thanks to support and exports to China, but in 2018 alone Zimbabwe spent $724m on agricultural and food imports.

          The whole question of land in Zimbabwe is now extremely complex – in effect all farm land belongs to the state, so technically it has no commercial value, and cannot be used as collateral for borrowing.

          But commercial farming without borrowing is impossible.”

          1. Dear Ms. Rose:

            Thank you for your continued interest. The reforms pioneered by Mr. Mugabe serve as a model for carrying out a more equitable distribution of land between Black Americans and persons of European descent.

            In a 2017 interview, Mr. Mugabe debunked the claims of reactionary critics who sought to undermine the success of his country’s reforms, stating that “Zimbabwe is the most highly developed country in Africa.” He continued, “We have a bumper harvest, not only maize, but also tobacco and many other crops. We are not a poor country.”

            “If anyone wants to call us fragile, they can. You can also call America fragile,” Mr. Mugabe said to a laughing audience.

            The Party recognizes Senators Booker, Warren and Gillibrand as the intellectual heirs to this proud tradition and as a force for racial equity and lasting change in the United States.

            More information on Mr. Mugabe’s statement is available here:


            Immediate implementation of these guidelines is authorized under previously approved directives adopted in response to the COVID-19 emergency. Further information on these guidelines will be communicated as circumstances dictate.

            1. Party,
              “The reforms pioneered by Mr. Mugabe serve as a model for carrying out a more equitable distribution of land between Black Americans and persons of European descent.”

              Mugabe was overthrown in a coup in November 2017. The article is from May. He was full of malarky about the success of Zimbabwe.

              Why do you consider “equitable” a meaningful metric?

  4. It’s football season.

    As many as 100 million people watch every second of every play of every quarter of every game and, if necessary, they employ instant replay.

    A football game is not like an election.

    In election 2020, counting was done late at night, in secret, without anyone watching and by computers and algorithms; manipulated only by programmers and hackers.

    Football teams are observed assiduously and they are not allowed to cheat.

    Why were communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) allowed to cheat in the 2020 election?

    Why were the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) allowed to cheat in every aspect and facet of the 2020 election?

    Why were the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) allowed to cheat regarding the actual day of the election (Tuesday – 1 day – 24hrs), polling places, ballot distribution, mail-in ballots,

    physical ballot scrutiny and digital vote counting and data assessment?

    Why has the cheating of the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) not been inspected, reviewed, prosecuted and corrected?

    What will America be like under cheaters?

    What would football be like under cheaters?

    1. No one was allowed to cheat because there was no cheating.That has been firmly established.

      1. No one was allowed to cheat because there was no cheating.That has been firmly established.

        What’s amusing about you is that there is no nonsense meme that you will not peddle and peddle without the slightest editing or sense of plausibility.

      2. “We are in a situation where we have put together the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
        China Joe Biden – October 2020

  5. Trump disgusts me anew every day.

    He’s finally said something about the huge dangerous hack of government computers, tweeting “The Cyber Hack is far greater in the Fake News Media than in actuality. I have been fully briefed and everything is well under control. …”

    Did Trump condemn the hackers? No.

    I have no reason to think it’s under control. A reminder that in January, Trump said about COVIID “we have it totally under control. … we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine.” In February he said “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.” He gave himself a 10 out of 10 for his response. Over 300,000 Americans have died from it. It still isn’t under control.

    Other Trump craziness …

    Maggie Haberman (NYT): “SCOOP – Sidney Powell was in Oval Office last night as POTUS discussed making her special counsel for election fraud. @KannoYoungs and me
    “Among those pushing back on the idea was Pat Cipollone, Meadows and even Giuliani. But Giuliani separately pushed DHS this week to seize control of voting machines to examine them for possible fraud. DHS said it has no authority to do that. … The fact of the meeting – and Giuliani hope of seizing the voting machines – has alarmed some of the president’s advisers, who see his desire to take his refusal to accept the election results as in a dangerous new place … Adding to the story but two people briefed said Flynn was there as well for this meeting. During the meeting, the president asked about Flynn’s suggestion of deploying the military, those briefed said. That was also shot down. …”

    Kyle Cheney (Politico): “NEW: Confirming NYT scoop on heated Oval Office meeting Friday night in which Trump indicated he wanted @SidneyPowell1 to be special counsel for election matters. Rudy/Flynn in attendance as well. w/ @joshgerstein @politicoalex

    “NEW: Senior Trump administration officials are increasingly alarmed that President Trump might unleash — and abuse — the power of government in an effort to overturn the clear result of the election. ”
    “‘People who are concerned and nervous aren’t the weak-kneed bureaucrats that we loathe,’ the official added. ‘These are people who have endured arguably more insanity and mayhem than any administration officials in history.'” “Their fears include Trump’s interest in Michael Flynn’s wild talk of martial law; an idea floated of an executive order to commandeer voting machines; and the specter of Sidney Powell, the conspiracy-spewing election lawyer, obtaining governmental power.”
    Jonathan Swan (Axios):
    “What is different is these are NOT the Never Trumper types. These are people who have fully thrown their lot in with Trump but are legitimately worried about his receptivity to Flynn and Powell’s ideas and conspiracy theories. One month seems like an eternity in this context.”

    Will Turley condemn this?

    1. CTHD– “Trump disgusts me anew every day.”
      You say something like that every day. Now you have earned your shekel from your Fascist paymasters.

      I didn’t bother to read further.

        1. “Young, are you getting paid by Fascist paymasters?”

          Why do you ask, junior?

          Are you trying to find out if Young is getting paid more than you?

          BTW, Jinping looks just like a Dink version of Winnie the Pooh. What do you think?

          1. I ask because perhaps the people accusing others of being paid trolls are themselves paid trolls.

      1. I think CTHD hates Turley almost as much as she hates Trump. She is going to end up on a psych ward when Trump disappears from the scene.

          1. Am I mistaken? Weren’t you the one looking to be roommates with the one that you said needed to be in a psych ward?

              1. Gosh, I thought it was you talking to George trying to get him to join you at the psych hospital to be your roommate. I don’t think George requires the same type of lodgings as you but I’ll try and let George answer for himself if he wishes to lower himself to this level of dialogue.

                I note that you require the last word for your psych health so I am going to give it to you

          2. “She is going to end up on a psych ward when Trump disappears from the scene.”

            I have wondered if she is posting from a psych ward. She is smart and OCD focused on details but her hatred of Trump borders on eyeball spinning spittle flying madness. I have never been that angry with anyone.

                1. I’d be much more knowledgeable about legal matters if that were the case. Haven’t a clue what ‘laches’ are.

        1. Do you think CTHD is the one that dissed Helen Keller? She is a disservice and capable of it.

          Helen Keller Dissed In TIME Magazine Feature: ‘Just Another … Privileged White Person’
          “ … they’re now canceling Helen Keller for being white.”

            1. I guess anonymous, whomever you are, you have just confirmed you are the one looking for a roommate in a psych ward. Just check in and they will find you one.

              1. I guess Barb, whoever you are, you have just confirmed you are the one looking for a roommate in a psych ward. Just check in and they will find you one.

                1. Wow, what a reply. Do you have no words of your own? It certainly sounds that way.

                  I guess a list with a lot of different people always has to have at least one like you. You now can have the last word. You need it.

        1. I’ll take that as a compliment.

          Oh, and thanks for reading.

          “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.”

          – Oscar Wilde

          1. LMAO that George imitates others, and then when someone imitates him, he takes it as a compliment.

    2. That’s the rationale for cheating by communists:

      We hate Trump, we hate whitey, we hate the Constitution and we hate America, therefore, we are allowed to cheat, and our cheating is not reviewable because damaged whiteys have “no standing.”

      Is that the definition of fascist: We are little miss andrist, anti-Constitutional, in need of affirmative action, anti-whitey and anti-Make America Great Again – We tell you what to do and you do it?

  6. There is no difference between the American Communist Deep Deep State taking out President John F. Kennedy by assassination and the American Communist Deep Deep State taking out President Donald J. Trump by vote tampering and election corruption.

    JFK was a hit job.

    DJT was a hit job.

    JFK did not survive to counter punch.

    “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

    – Joseph Stalin, General Secretary, USSR

  7. I read the comments and I lose track of what the article is about. Turley compares Shaheen’ s accusation of sedition by those who question an election. This sounds like a statement by a politician in Venezuela. In Venezuela it is considered sedition to question the press that is controlled by the government. If you called the press “the enemy of the people”, you would undoubtedly be in peril. We actually have a press and social media that will bury information and perpetuate false stories to attack the opposition. So who is closer to the truth, Shaheen or Trump. An example of false equivalence.

      1. “There are but two parties now: traitors and patriots.”

        – Ulysses S. Grant

        Traitors tamper with the solemnity of the vote, polling places, election laws and vote counts.

      2. “This is not necessarily about party anymore, this is about us as Americans, it’s whether our votes will ever count again.”

        – Jovan Hutton Pulitzer

  8. Dr. Fauci is being praised and thanked all over TV and social media by the left leaning press for his efforts and hard work in fighting this Covid crisis. At the same time all of these same people are slamming President Trump’s handling of the virus. Trump was leaning on Fauci’s guidance and advice – which Fauci got really wrong, numerous times over the course of the year. Fauci messed up, big time. So It makes no sense to crown Fauci with some kind of sainthood when he is responsible for getting so much wrong. It is disgusting to watch the little bureacratic fraud that Fauci is as he positions himself as some kind of savior doctor. He is little more than an overrated, self-promoting, bureaucratic leftist hack.

    1. Trump has consistently ignored CDC guidance on mask usage and social distance. He set a bad example that his followers have taken to heart and now they all refuse to do anything. He also has lied about covid way too many times to count. That is why we are slamming Trump, because of his actions and words.

      1. “That is why we are slamming Trump, because of his actions and words”
        I think you are slamming Trump because you are paid to slam him. CDC guidance on mask usage flipped. Studies now show masks aren’t effective. Everyone in California wears them, often even when driving alone, but their infection rates are soaring. Trump didn’t ignore social distancing. Almost all of the prominent Democrats(F) have been seen without masks and without distancing. Several WH reporters, Karl for one, were caught tearing their masks off the moment they thought the cameras weren’t on them.

        You are doing street theater and most people know it is a poor act now. Maybe if you added violins.

          1. Admit it Young you are being paid to defend Trump. The guy you are speaking to probably thinks $10 an hour is a lot of money. Your $300-$800 per hour was chump change

            1. The masks have done nothing for those lockdown states while the states that have relaxed lockdowns are seeing decreased COVID cases relative to CA, NY, NJ, etc

              Would that the left wing sycophants catch the virus and rid the world of pestilence. Isnt George Soros over 70, obese and sad af?

              Happy Kwanza

      2. Which CDC guidance? The one where the CDC said to wear masks or the one where the CDC said not to wear masks?

        1. Exactly. Which CDC guidance? Fauci said: Masks do nothing but give you a false sense of confidence? Or Fauci said: masks are essential to Stop the Spread! It is insane. All of it. Fauci is a fraud. Fauci is a fraud. Fauci is a fraud. It cannot be said enough. Fauci is a fraud.

    2. Trump ignored a lot of Fauci’s advice.

      Fauci isn’t positioning himself as a savior.

      1. Fauci’s initial advice was completely off the mark. Completely wrong. Completely off. And then we have Fauci all over the air waves and accepting offers to do fawning, glossy cover photo shoots of him posing in shaes by his pool for In Style Magazine, or a sucking up People Magazine cover, or Time Magazine…..or accepting the offer to toss out the first pitch for Nationals and not bothering to prepare as we watch him throw the ball into the dugout, it was ridiculous and tells us all we need to know about the man. He is a bureaucratic fraud through and through. And of course, all of his embarrassing mis-judgments, and self-glorifying, self-promotion is completely overlooked and ignored by the mainstream press. All we need to know. Disgusting all around.

  9. Since Turley is throwing around “possible traitors” crap, maybe he should read what Trump said about the Russian recent hacking today. Turley’s complicity and enabling of Trump is becoming pathetic.

    1. Keep attacking the messenger and never makring your own counter argument FishWings. Boring. Yawn. Get a new schtick.

  10. Yesterday California reported 49,000 new cases and Texas reported 16,600 cases. With 3/4 the population of California Texas would have had 36,750 new cases if they had the same rate as California. Instead, Texas had less than half that.

    The strict, economy-destroying edicts of California’s (D) Fascist governor are not working. He is leaving the state in ruins. Even Rodeo Drive has vacant stores now.

    They say The French Laundry restaurant is doing okay; even Fascists need one place to eat and celebrate.

    1. Young: Feel free to post your statistic sources. We don’t honestly where your numbers are coming from. Don’t assume we know!

      Despite its land mass, California population is primarily concentrated along the Pacific coast. The population of Texas, by comparison, is more evenly distributed all throughout the state.

      L.A. County has 10 million people. L.A. County would rank as the 13th largest state population. Harris County (Houston) Texas is big. But at 4.5 million it’s less than half as big as L.A. County.

      L.A. County is bordered on the south by Orange County. With 3.2 million people, Orange is big county in itself. L.A. County is bordered on the southeast by Riverside County with 2.2 million. San Bernardino County, to L.A’s east, has 2 million people. And Ventura County, to L.A.’s north, has almost 800,000 people. Ventura alone would rank as one of the biggest counties in any state.

      And just south of Orange County is San Diego’s metro region. San Diego County has 3.2 million, one of the nation’s biggest.

      The concentration of people in Southern California rivals the Washington to Boston corridor; a super metro region with a number of big cities. Northern California has a population corridor around San Francisco bigger than Houston’s.

      Texas is big by any standard with more big cities than any other state (including California). But Texas has no population corridor on par with Southern California. It’s biggest is smaller than San Francisco’s.

      And finally, Young, you have this tendency to sputter ‘fascist’ in every comment. Which makes you kind of gas bag. A scoop of lard, perhaps, releasing methane as it heats. That’s Commenter Young sputtering ‘fascist’ all the time.

      1. Anon– Thanks for the tour of California. I didn’t know much about it. But Fodor’s aside, I don’t see a point to your remarks. Being indoors in California is much like being indoors in Texas, or Zanzibar for that matter. Wearing a mask in California is as useless as wearing a mask in Texas. Since transmission is more likely in closed environments is it possible that Newsom(F) is making a mistake forcing everyone inside?

        1. If everyone in California ate at the French Laundry Covid in California would disappear.

    2. Yep, no one travels from state to state, especially not for Thanksgiving, so all of the post-Thanksgiving increase in CA can only be blamed on CA. If Trump had been an actual leader, he’d have discouraged people traveling for Thanksgiving, but no, he couldn’t bring himself to do even that small thing.

      1. Anon: “If Trump had been an actual leader, he’d have discouraged people traveling for Thanksgiving, but no, he couldn’t bring himself to do even that small thing.”
        You mean the way governor Newsom (F) is doing with startling lack of success in California?

        I notice that the Leftist trolls never think an individual is responsible for the consequences of his own decisions. It is always Trump’s fault or whitey’s fault.

        Also China is never at fault in your view. This terrible plague came from China. They hid it and suborned WHO into going along with the deceit. The media and big tech have also been less than candid.

        If you are looking for actual criminal responsibility, look to China.

        Trump didn’t make this virus. Russia didn’t make it. China did.

        China, China, China.

        Remember it.


      2. Yep, no one travels from state to state, especially not for Thanksgiving, so all of the post-Thanksgiving increase in CA can only be blamed on CA. If Trump had been an actual leader, he’d have discouraged people traveling for Thanksgiving, but no, he couldn’t bring himself to do even that small thing.

        Peter, every time we might think you’ve hit bottom and cannot get anymore obtuse, you prove us wrong. There is no change in the trend-line for any metric co-incident with in time with dates 5 days or 18 days after Thanksgiving, which is when you’d see spikes in infection or in hospitalizations. What you’re seeing is driven by climate and the level of previous exposure, which is why hospitalizations have hit a plateau or begun to subside in every single midwestern state and in the Rocky Mountain states as well.

        Now move abroad. Deaths are shooting up in Germany and only just beginning to level off in Russia, neither places which have a Thanksgiving holiday in late November.

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        1. Yet when I compare their numbers with those put out daily in the states where I live I find they are in agreement. That doesn’t surprise me because worldmeter gets their data from reporting states.

          You should consider putting a disclaimer and a couple of trigger warnings on your posts.

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  12. Obviously, Sheehan has never read the Constitution, which comes as no surprise since few politicians, especially Democrats, have. After all, Woodrow Wilson wanted to dump it and Democrats have been seeking to dump it since. If she had read it, she’d know that treason can only occur in wartime and consists solely of “providing aid and comfort” to an enemy. As for sedition, the true definition is rebelling against a monarch or government.

  13. Off topic:. 313,450 deaths from covid. 408,000 from smoking tobacco.
    Why does the media ignore the bigger killer? Suicide is dangerous. Guns are quicker than lung cancer.
    Your kid is now vaping? You should be stopping him or her.

    1. Smoking is a personal choice and those who smoke know the risk. Also smoking (mostly) does not affect others.

      1. That “smoking (mostly) does not affect others.” is the word mostly a good reason to smoke in places where it can affect others?

  14. Just out of curiosity, does anyone here have an actual idea how much compensation Fox would pay for Turley’s “expert opinion”? Turley is not unlike experts hired by litigators who pay handsomely to find experts to corroborate their theory of the case, e.g., a defendant’s hired coroner contesting an official autopsy report. Turley could have avoided anyone questioning his bona fides by remaining a distinguished academic and lawyer. Lawyers and law professors are well paid. Thus, I wonder what motivates him to jeopardize his reputation if not for a very large paycheck. You suppose he is trying to raise his public profile in hopes of pursuing a career in broadcasting? Talk radio or a podcast? It must be something more than money that motivates him because very few in the legal profession seek the limelight as much as he does. He is a fixture in Congressional testimonies. It would be very interesting to learn what goes on behind the TV curtain. He is a liberal who by his own admission did not vote for Trump. Presumably, he would have preferred to work for CNN or MSNBC. My guess is that Fox was a fallback network! Many journalists who leave the mainstream networks end up on Fox, and not surprisingly they begin to whistle a different tune. After all, he who pays the piper gets to call the tune! And when one washes out of Fox, the only place left to work is Newsmax or Blaze TV. You think Turley may ultimately stoop so low, e.g., as has Alan Dershowitz who left Fox to work for Newsmax?

    1. The only way Turley could destroy his reputation among those that care for the Constitution would be to appear to people like you that do not understand or value the Constitution.

  15. “The most unifying act for Biden would have been to welcome such review to assure voters that the results were true and correct.”

    It’s very likely the Globalist Clique feared the results were NOT true and correct. The tech monopolies conducted blatant, in-your-face censorship. That sounds like people who really don’t want to know the truth.

    The truth is that someday, India and China will turn Silicon Valley into just another subdivision of fly-over country. Globalism is a dead end, even for the West Coast. In the meantime, the tech monopolists are exploiting cheap foreign labor so that billionaires can become trillionaires while the rest of us become third-world. That’s the results the Clique doesn’t want anyone to review.

    Just look at California. It’s already third-world. The highest poverty rate in what used to be America. A vindictive, one-party state that panders to leftwing claptrap while presiding over a two-tier economy of haves and have-nots; a corrupt government that hacks democracy using immigration, speech codes, and phony election laws; a sinister alliance that taxes tech monopolies nothing while destroying small-business owners; a fifth-column of arrogant business interests who are more loyal to Beijing than they are to the U.S. Constitution.

    Given that, it’s not surprising that Trump’s rhetoric was so harsh. His supporters already felt the Clique was waging war on them. So now the Democrats want to talk tough? Bring it.

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