No, Joe Biden Should Not Pardon Donald Trump

Former FBI Director James Comey declared yesterday that he believes Joe Biden should consider granting clemency for President Donald Trump “as part of the healing of the country.” Just as I have long opposed self-pardons as an abuse of presidential power, I also have long opposed such pardons by their presidential successors.  Comey is echoing the Ford rationale used in the Nixon pardon, which I continue to view as the wrong decision.  Impeachments go to the status of presidents as the officeholders. Indictments go to their status as individuals.  Indeed, I have long believed that presidents can be indicted while in office, including both President Bill Clinton and President Donald Trump.Comey stated “I obviously think he belongs in jail but I don’t think pursuing that is in the best interest of the entire nation.”

I fail to see the logic of the Ford position. To use Comey’s words, if “he belongs in jail,” he should go to jail. The notion that our country cannot handle the criminal prosecution of a former president borders on slander. If a president is a criminal, he belongs in jail.  In Nixon’s case, he rejected the need for a pardon. Yet, Ford prevents a trial on Nixon’s culpability in the crimes of Watergate — crimes which sent various individuals to jail. That was not a victory for the rule of law or the country.

I do not believe that the President’s speech constituted criminal incitement unless there is more evidence of the President’s intent or knowledge. Many legal experts maintain that the speech, particularly in the context of his election challenge, is sufficient to convict. The D.C. Attorney General has said that he may charge Trump. So be it. I believe such a prosecution would collapse at trial or upon appeal. The legal system should be allowed to run its course.

The more threatening cases concern allegations of bank and tax fraud, including cases out of New York. There is also the election violation issue that was raised in the Michael Cohen plea bargain. In his plea, Cohen referenced election finance violations in connection to the Stormy Daniels payment. If Cohen was culpable of election violations in the Stormy Daniels matter, there is an obvious implication of that the President was also culpable.

I have never understood why it is so unnerving or destructive to try a former president. We are a country based on the rule of law. The prosecution of a former president shows that no one is above the law.  That does not mean that Trump will be convicted or that these cases are valid.  However, he must answer for such criminal allegations like any citizen.

230 thoughts on “No, Joe Biden Should Not Pardon Donald Trump”

  1. Pardoning Trump for what?
    Pardoning someone for something they didn’t do intentionally leaves a scarlet letter on their reputation and public persona.
    It wouldn’t be a gift, it would be declaration of guilt without trial.

  2. On what basis does Comey think Trump should go to jail? Did he submit or sign off on fraudulent FISA warrants violating constitutional freedoms of Americans?

  3. Certainly it borders on blasphemy that Obama, for no reason except to be a deep state tool, announced he (not the DOJ) summarily dismissed the many felony charges against true scum of the earth CIA members, DOD members, all the way up to Dick Cheney and others, for murdering and torturing terror suspects (plus the rendition program), etc. These were and still are international war crimes. They had all the evidence needed for swift convictions.

    One of Trump’s biggest failures was not hanging this around Obama’s neck after Trump took office. Trump still could have charged the felons, and I’m sure once charged facing life or the death penalty every single god forsaken one of those scum bags would have turned on Dick Cheney. Whether they had evidence of Cheney’s crimes is another matter, but at the very least his name would be down in the history books as the author of that felony enterprise.

    Anyone that thinks Trump gives a damn about the swamp is criminally stupid.

  4. If “payback” becomes the follow up to a presidential term, it’ll destroy this country. Either by its use by both parties as they come in to office, or as a threat to the current party in power, never to allow the other party back into the office; regardless of the means.

    1. You’re assuming the Democratic Party’s sachems are capable of thinking even two steps ahead.

      You have the Speaker of the House, two floor leaders, and two whips in each chamber, and an additional whip for the Senate Democratic caucus Have a gander at what they’ve done with their adult lives. Of the 10 of them, six are pure career politicians, having done flat nothing else with their adult lives but sit in elective office, work as aides to elected officials, hold patronage jobs, or sit on the staff of political NGOs. The rest are people who each spent a half-dozen years or so (pro-rating periods of part time and seasonal work) in non-commercial employment; two practiced law, one taught school, and one ran a daycare center.

      One of the things we suffer from is that our politicians are bubble-dwelling mediocrities. Now look who is due to be sworn in as president.

      1. Self-punking alert: The above poster supported Trump, the Gone to Seed Richy Rich, TV Reality Show “Businessman”, bogus University founder, and in-debt up to his a.s branding speculator.

  5. A progressive activist has been arrested and charged with participating in last week’s U.S. Capitol riot …

    FBI agent Matthew Foulger alleged in an affidavit on Wednesday that, rather than merely act as a journalist during the riots, Sullivan “knowingly and willfully joined a crowd of individuals who forcibly entered the U.S. Capitol and impeded, disrupted, and disturbed the orderly conduct of business by the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate.”

    Foulger in the affidavit said that footage taken by Sullivan at the riot shows the activist accompanying and cheering on the rioting crowd by saying things such as “Let’s go. This shit is ours!” and “Let’s burn this shit down.”
    cont: https://justthenews.com/nation/crime/fbi-agent-says-progressive-activist-was-participating-capitol-riot?utm_source=breaking-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter

    Video as well. Other non Trump people and presently looking at 3-5 others.

      1. Title and author of the Gray Zone article, above:

        “Chaos agent: Right-wing blames US Capitol riot on notorious instigator banished by Black Lives Matter”

        MAX BLUMENTHAL·JANUARY 12, 2021

      2. Anonymous the Stupid believes that cr-p. He probably believes that there was no rioting earlier in the year from those that provided financial support to Joe Biden. I wonder why that is? Could Anonymous the Stupid be that stupid?

      3. He was not alone. A women in a pink knit hat was also organizing and directing Antifa/BLM types to breach capital windows, get inside offices as she directed them to their next destination in detail. This was a planned event. The video of the women in the pink hat is convincing – she was not a Trump supporter.

        1. “The FBI is now working on 3-5 people thought to be leftists and it isn’t the end.”

          Evidence? Proof? Links? Anything to back up your statement?

            1. It’s not the job of the 11:16 PM Anon. to look up evidence for the claim made by the 10:15 PM Anon. and Allan / S. Meyer. It’s the job of the person who made the claim to provide evidence for it if requested.

                1. Anonymous the Stupid thinks that normal conversation requires proof every step of the way. That is because Anonymous the Stupid is a liar and stupid. He is seldom correct so he is not credible. Others have a degree of credibility that enhances discussion, but not Anonymous the Stupid.

                  1. Allan/S. Meyer the Stupid is a liar and stupid. He is seldom correct so he is not credible. Others have a degree of credibility that enhances discussion, but not Allan/S. Meyer the Stupid.

            2. Olly, Anonymous the Stupid, being a stupid person, cannot verify truth though he thinks he can. Even when using links he is wrong about as many times as he is right. He checks with CNN and the like who says one thing one day and another when it suits them. He doesn’t care that they have lied to him over and over again making him the bearer of fake news on this blog. He is too stupid to recognize that he has been lied to.

              When I comment most of the times it is based on what I read recently. I have been mostly accurate, far more accurate than the NYT, WP or CNN. I am rendering an opinion or something from memory and do not go back to look for a citation. Anonymous the Stupid doesn’t know anything but he scours the net to see if he can’t trip one of the posters up. Very frequently it is a meaningless posting that has some of the words he was looking for but is not authoritative on the point in question and is wrong. Frequently his links disprove what he says and frequently they are bizarre and meaningless. In other words the sourced statements brought to the table by Anonymous the Stupid are wrong more than any reasonable poster on this blog.

              As far as this particular story goes, the 3-5 number (known so far) under investigation are from JTN. I can’t be sure. CNN stated Sullivan was a journalist and considered him non violent and not committed to BLM or Antifa. However, Sullivan has implicated himself with BLM and Antifa elsewhere. Anonymous the Stupid, with his links, said that wasn’t true but as usual the stupid guy was wrong and they now have quotes from Sullivan linking him to many different groups. He is an activist and based on his history a violent one who it appears was previously arrested for his actions and has started splinter groups in order to do much of the same.

              Anonymous the Stupid is unable to respond in the English language in the way we expect from adults. He has no imagination and has to rely on others. That is why he takes what one writes about him and changes the name. He provides a different explanation for those actions but the explanation is laughable. It is an excuse for his stupidity and an inability to handle himself like an adult.

              Anonymous the Stupid is a small and insignificant person. He is a disrupter intent on discussing any intelligent dialogue. His actions are vanity plays. Instead of putting in the work to improve his intellect he acts stupidly because those stupid actions make him feel more alive and bigger.

              1. Here’s your challenge then; mine too to some degree. How would you respond to someone like this Anonymous if you were physically in a room with them? For me, I would likely listen to them once, maybe twice and then if they persisted in expressing feelings as truth, defying the reality of facts and evidence, I would cease all interaction with them. So I will try it here and I challenge you to do the same.

                Prager explains quite well what we’re dealing with here and this response from him at the 21:21 mark tells you what he considers to be the most rational action given how deep the Left’s alternate reality is:

                1. “How would you respond to someone like this Anonymous if you were physically in a room with them?”

                  Olly, we have different approaches so the approach is based on all the circumstances involved. Conservatives are nice and polite people. However, when one is too polite they get stepped on. What is the complaint many have about the Republican Party? Why didn’t they say or do anything? The Republicans said that wasn’t nice or the way to act. It is better to let the Anonymous the Stupid types do their thing and walk away.

                  What does that tell people that are not as interest in the subject as you are. It tells them to get along and at the same time enhances the ability of those to act like Anonymous the Stupid making people question the correctness of the other side that is drowned out. We conservatives caused what we see today by being too quiet and polite. We caused the need for a Donald Trump because we wouldn’t open our mouths and he did.

                  Look at what Trump accomplished in a short period of time with both parities biting at his legs including the deep state. Why did he fail to get a second term? Because Republicans controlling multiple states did nothing about the election procedures. They wanted to be nice and civil. They gave the election to the Democrats.

                  You have a right to handle things in a peaceful and polite way, but don’t complain when you lose your freedoms because that is what happens. I know this from experience and involvement with people that have lost their freedoms (or never had it in the first place). They were forced to be quiet and polite like you suggest and today we are seeing people losing their jobs because they supported Trump. That is what total civility and politeness provides. Sometimes people have to get off their buts and call Anonymous the Stupid, Anonymous the Stupid just to keep others from being too polite and yet others from becoming Stupid.

                  What do you think Anonymous the Stupid is doing on the blog? He’s not paid but he is disrupting civil discussion that might be ignored by you but not those that lack strong feelings. I’m tired of people sitting back and letting this country be destroyed by such stupid folk. You should be as well. They make you uncomfortable. Your goal should be making them more uncomfortable.

                  Of course this is just a blog so what is said is near meaningless unless others get the point and say maybe we shouldn’t have to be so polite in our normal lives. Maybe a trifle less politeness against those threatening our freedoms will preserve them. If we continue to remain so sedate I predict our freedoms will be seriously curtailed within the next year.

                  Here is your challenge Olly. Will you permit your normal civility to prevail? Alternatively, are you willing to be a little less polite and call out those that are willing to take jobs away from people merely because they supported Donald Trump. Where do you stand?

                  1. “Conservatives are nice and polite people.”

                    Some are, but certainly not S. Meyer/Allan the Stupid.

                    What do you think S. Meyer/Allan the Stupid is doing on the blog? He’s not paid but he is disrupting civil discussion that might be ignored by you but not those that lack strong feelings. I’m tired of people sitting back and letting this country be destroyed by such stupid folk. You should be as well. They make you uncomfortable. Your goal should be making them more uncomfortable.

                  2. They were forced to be quiet and polite like you suggest and today we are seeing people losing their jobs because they supported Trump.

                    You may try rereading my comment again, in know way was I suggesting a strategy of civility. If you listened to Prager, he wasn’t either. We are living in a nation divided on the core principles that have kept this republic together. Freedom, liberty, natural rights, equality. These were always principled pursuits that we could agree on. Borders we could agree on. We now have a country split on all of it. We can’t even agree on the simple truths, like Male or Female. We can’t agree on what are facts and evidence. We are literally living in alternate realities with the Left. This blog has become a battlefield where one side arrives at truths through feelings and emotions and the other side uses facts and evidence. Civility or incivility is not going to change that dynamic. I happen to agree with Prager; we are more divided today than we were before the Civil War and our division isn’t some tangible. We’re divided on reality and truth. I’m sorry, but that is an irreconcilable state of being. What we are about to go through will make us long for just being uncivil.

                    Where do I stand? I stand where I can try to make a difference and that does not include debating people living in an alternate reality.

                    1. “This blog has become a battlefield where one side arrives at truths through feelings and emotions and the other side uses facts and evidence.”

                      Thanks for the laugh, OLLY.

                    2. See how this works? You outed yourself with an emotive response, as opposed to using facts and evidence.

                      Thanks once again for playing. 😁

                    3. Here’s some facts and evidence for you Olly:

                      We received a lengthy letter from Dominion’s defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements. Having considered the full import of the letter, we have agreed to their request that we publish the following statement:

                      American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on http://www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc., Dominion Voting Systems, Inc., and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively “Dominion”) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominion’s supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominion’s machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

                      These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

                      It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominion’s track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.

                      https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html

                    4. 😂 that’s what you consider facts and evidence? No wonder you’ve been wrong for the past 4 years. Hell, you still believe the Senate Intel report proved Trump/Russia collusion. Get back to me when an independent forensic audit is completed on the 2020 election. Not more letters from people convinced by the word of more unnamed experts. Damn.

                    5. “Where do I stand? I stand where I can try to make a difference and that does not include debating people living in an alternate reality.”

                      Olly, you seem to think I am debating Anonymous the Stupid. How could I? Anonymous the Stupid has no brain to debate with. I think you missed the point.

                      How do you intend to make a difference?

                    6. you seem to think I am debating Anonymous the Stupid.

                      Nope. Not even close. He’s dragged you into the mud with him and you both like it. To each his own.

                      How do you intend to make a difference?

                      One starfish at a time. And not losing my soul in the process.

                    7. >>”you seem to think I am debating Anonymous the Stupid.
                      >Nope. Not even close. He’s dragged you into the mud with him and you both like it. To each his own.”

                      As I said you missed my point.

                      In my businesses sometimes I get my hands dirty. It did no harm. Our farmers do it all the time and so do pig farmers.

                      “How do you intend to make a difference?”

                      “One starfish at a time. And not losing my soul in the process.”

                      How has that helped conservatives move the country in the correct direction or have you not noticed the direction taken by the country in the past decades? How has that helped to preserve the Constitution? One doesn’t have to lose their soul. Since when does a bit of dirt cause one to lose his soul?

                    8. How has that helped conservatives move the country in the correct direction or have you not noticed the direction taken by the country in the past decades? How has that helped to preserve the Constitution?

                      I’ve always emphasized civics literacy. I have no idea how many people I’ve inspired to learn it. But I do know they exist around the country.

                      Our fate was sealed the moment Marxists took control of the education industry. We now have a very solid conservative base that know what this thing should look like once we rid this country of the domestic enemies.

                      Anyway, this effort will need to be fought from multiple fronts using different tactics.

                    9. “I’ve always emphasized civics literacy. “

                      …And how much civics literacy has that provided us on this blog Olly? Before teaching civics literacy one has to take the stupid out of Anonymous the Stupid who is representative of a good number of people. Anonymous the Stupid is not my concern. My concern is others. Anonymous the Stupid is too vile for one to concern themselves with.

                      Let’s think about it further. Has knowledge of civics literacy in our country increased or decreased in the past decades? Why has it decreased? Why didn’t Republican State representatives with power act to stop voting procedures that weren’t secure and led to a win for a party that has been lying and cheating almost continuously? What noise were those State representatives listening to, your lofty speech on civics or the crowd stupidly destroying things and the large crowds watching and waiting to join the fun?

                      “Our fate was sealed the moment Marxists took control of the education industry. “

                      Why was that? Did they write lofty works worthy of a Pulitzer or did those in power decide to be polite and let the “Marxists” get away with it because the years of planning permitted the perception that rioting and bad behavior leads to continuous compromise and ultimate victory?

                      “We now have a very solid conservative base that know what this thing should look like once we rid this country of the domestic enemies.”

                      We had. Trump provided conservatives with the “balls” to act appropriately, not with violence, but with non violent push back even if at times it meant not being polite. How did the conservatives return his efforts? ‘I don’t like him because he is impolite.’ ‘He tweets too much.’ ‘We can’t sink down to the mud and call a spade a spade.’ In other words we can’t call Anonymous the Stupid, stupid, because that isn’t nice even though Anonymous the Stupid is stupid.

                      I agree with your last statement that many fronts and many tactics are needed, but if everyone is too worried about getting their pretty uniforms and medals dirty in the mud, then nothing will ever be accomplished.

                    10. Anonymous the Stupid is too vile for one to concern themselves with.

                      And yet you do. As Yuri Bezmenov said, he and others like him are hopelessly demoralized and irredeemable. You’re pissing in the wind and thinking it’s raining.

                      …And how much civics literacy has that provided us on this blog Olly?

                      How could you possibly know? What percentage of this blog’s followers just read and don’t participate?

                      Has knowledge of civics literacy in our country increased or decreased in the past decades?

                      I don’t believe we get a President Trump because it decreased. And the root problem is not civics literacy alone. It’s a 3-legged stool that includes decreasing apathy towards government and dependence on government.

                      We can’t sink down to the mud and call a spade a spade.’ In other words we can’t call Anonymous the Stupid, stupid, because that isn’t nice even though Anonymous the Stupid is stupid.

                      Don’t be so butthurt Allan. You’re a smart guy. You can do whatever you feel you need to do. If you see that as value-added, then you do you. Like I said, it will take various strategies.

                      but if everyone is too worried about getting their pretty uniforms and medals dirty in the mud, then nothing will ever be accomplished.

                      Why would they worry? While they effort on other fronts, they have folks like you to wallow in the trenches.

                    11. “You’re pissing in the wind “

                      Olly that is only because you fail to see where my sights are aimed. Think a bit and put down any vision that you are more evolved than any other.

                      “how much civics literacy ”

                      I’ll tell you. I think those comments are important for all but on their own they do little to move the country in the right direction. What is civics? A set of rules in a textbook to live by. Religion does a lot of similar things and most people on the right with or without religion know the difference between right and wrong. That is the basics of civics. Knowing the difference between right and wrong helps understand the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The left in our country can have the Constitution and DOI memorized along with all the statutes but that is meaningless because they don’t know the difference between right and wrong.

                      I didn’t understand your next answer so I will repeat the question. “Has knowledge of civics literacy in our country increased or decreased in the past decades?”

                      “Don’t be so butthurt Allan. “

                      Why do you think I am butthurt? That is how Anonymous the Stupid thinks and he is stupid while you are not. I am satisfied when there is discussion about important things. You are smart enough to understand that. The first thing to occur that demonstrates a recognition of a truism is discussion.

                      “Why would they worry? While they effort on other fronts, they have folks like you to wallow in the trenches.“

                      You have actually stated the problem. Some feel too superior and feel they do not have to muddy their hands. That is not you Olly even though what you presently say might indicate so. It is the view of many others and that is the problem. When you have too many Indian chiefs and no Indians, it’s hard to fight a war.

                    12. Thanks for another laugh, OLLY.

                      I’m not ‘playing’ — that’s the flaw in your “logic” – of lack thereof.

                    13. Indeed, Olly demonstrates – again – his rejection of facts he doesn’t want to face, in this case the admittance of one of the purveyors of the common Trump accusation against Dominion that their accusations were unsupported BS. He adds his disregard for another fact, which is the confirmation of Russian interference with Trump campaign collusion in the 2016 election by the GOP majority Senate Intell Comm in their report of August.

                      These are facts about Olly and I think we can all acknowledge it disqualifies him from serious discussion. He is either incapable of pretty simple reasoning skills or so morally challenged as to be incapable of admitting his errors. I’ve admitted mistakes here, more than once, and it’s not hard. You just need to be an adult and possess fairly minimal integrity – too high a bar for Olly.

                    14. Friday, I am presently in a slight dispute with Olly but despite that he is without question a stand up guy while you are a liar and ignorant.

                      Virtually everything you have said of importance about the Russia hoax has been disproven and continues to be disproven as the information is released. You have zero credibility and ultimately though you write better than Anonymous the Stupid, who is unable to write at all, you aren’t much brighter than him.

                      Anyone who listens to anything you say and thinks it is true fails the competency test.

              2. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for Allan/S. Meyer. Someone must have called him “stupid” when he was growing up.

  6. There would be a place for considering a pardon for the sake of healing our country since we are getting a fresh start and a new Administration and Congress on January 20th, IF but only IF Trump admits that he lied about the election being stolen and if he apologizes and asks Americans to forgive him. He hasn’t done that, and won’t do that because his mental illness, narcissism and arrogance won’t allow for the possibility of failure or rejection. In the absence of admitting the truth about the election, an apology and expression of remorse, Trump needs to be prosecuted, impeached, drawn, quartered, and/or suffer whatever other remedies there are allowable by law to punish, censure, and most of all, keep him out of ever serving in elected office again. It would be like someone murdering another person and the family of the victim just letting it go–without the perpetrator being prosecuted, showing any remorse, no apology, no admission of wrongdoing, no asking forgiveness. A grievous wrong was done to our country, 5 people are dead, and the main perpetrator cannot simply be allowed to walk away in disgrace to rail against the “injustice” of his rejection, but continuing to stir the pot. Trump is the cause, and the stage was set for the insurrection even before the Election, by Trump saying his presidency would be stolen. When it became clear that he had lost, and despite dozens of court dismissals, he kept up the lying, stirring up his disciples, encouraging them to fight for “their country”, telling them they wouldn’t have a country if they didn’t fight. His media enablers did the same, as did an unthinkable number of Republicans, who should also be removed from office.

    Twitter, Facebook and the other social media platforms were wise to block Trump, because there are reports that he is raging, blaming everyone else for his failures, lashing out and he even went after Rudy Giuliani, telling his campaign not to pay his legal fees. If he still had these platforms, he would still be spreading the lie about the election being rigged, and would continue fanning the flames of dissention. No, Biden shouldn’t pardon Trump. He might consider it if Trump admitted he lied, told his disciples that he was wrong, and asked for forgiveness. That’s not going to happen, so letting the insurrection go unpunished would only add to the wrongfulness of Trump’s crimes.

    1. Just curious if you were helping with the COVID counting too. You should serve in government. We don’t have enough people in government who can incorporate irrelevant things and overstate the numbers. You have an exceptional talent that could be used in the next scam of the people.

      1. Take note how sure of himself Anonymous the Stupid is. He leaves no room for error because tomorrow he can say he never said it it and blame it on another Anonymous the Stupid. But there is only one Anonymous the Stupid and what he says changes based on the day and time. He lies and his search habits are lazy and stupid.

        I heard that they had written evidence that Sullivan claimed to be Antifa and BLM. I understand Andy Ngo outed Sullivan as Antifa and I believe Andy Ngo was a member of Antifa before he realized how awful they were. According to some Sullivan was arrested for rioting in the past. However, today Anonymous the Stupid will definitively say Sullivan is not a member of Antifa based on a questionable site whose article was written a long time ago, Nov26. Anonymous the Stupid is truly stupid.

      1. Pine, again Anonymous the Stupid is certain that you are wrong despite the fact that he is stupid. In case you don’t know :-), that is how anonymous got his name Anonymous the Stupid. There were all sorts of illegalities and actions that occurred that were inappropriate. John Say brought up a number of those things which Anonymous the Stupid dissed without thought or intellect.

        I believe the election was stolen and that if the election had been secure without harvesting and inadequate procedure Trump would have won by a landslide.

        1. Allan the Stupid said: “I believe the election was stolen and that if the election had been secure without harvesting and inadequate procedure Trump would have won by a landslide.”

          Allan the Stupid often believes things that just aren’t true. That’s how he got his name — Allan the Stupid. He often reaches conclusions without thought or intellect.

  7. I didn’t write this but I remember it all and it’s hard to argue with the facts.

    Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, “This is what democracy looks like.”

    Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police (even killing several)? We were told, “To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible.”

    Remember in 2018 during the Kavanaugh hearings when a mob of Democrats stormed the U.S. Supreme Court building in Washington, DC, and pounded their fists in rage on the door. We were told, “It’s understandable.”

    Remember this summer’s riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, “These are mostly peaceful protests.”

    Remember when Democrats seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns and deaths and utter destruction? We were told, “It’s a block party atmosphere.”

    Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, “No justice, no peace.”

    Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, “This is the only way oppressed people can be heard.”

    I have condemned violent protests and lawlessness every single time they’ve been reported. I condemn the actions of those who stormed the Capitol last week. But I refuse to condemn hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors because a handful (52 arrested) chose to be lawless and to defy everything the vast majority of the crowd stood for. Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. Because a relative few people decided to do something stupid doesn’t nullify the concerns of the many.

    The real culprit here? The mainstream media has been telling us for years that violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it’s the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like. Apparently, a few who were in the crowd on Wednesday listened to them.

    The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left helped cause this, and it’s about time Democrats and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, “It’s time for unity.” It’s time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!

    I didn’t write this but I agree with what it says.

    1. “Conservatives are defenders of the Constitution, the police, and the rule of law. ”

      These are obviously past talking points of the party, last Wednesday however, a mob of “conservatives” attacked the Capitol, killed a cop, crapped on the floor, and actively looked to hang the vice president, massacre congress members and overthrow the government.

      Elvis Bug

      1. To quote another, look, “dirty old man” the mob was very few in number that likely consisted of Trump supporters, Antifa, anarchists etc. Antifa was smart trying to create the appearance of a conservative mob. But that is the left not the right. It is the left that is tearing up this country.

        Those in the mob that were conservatives acted stupidly and most conservatives including Trump are upset over the violence.

        You forget all the violence from the left. You forget all the rallies on the right where no violence occurred. You believe in lying, cheating and stealing. It sounds like you are both a dirty old man and Joe Friday.

    2. About what was posted by Allan/S. Meyer, above:

      ‘There is no “the media”’

      Tanya Ott

      17 hours ago·5 min read

      https://tanyaott.medium.com/there-is-no-the-media-9ec11aa9c40b

      Excerpt:

      By now you’ve probably seen the photo and possibly the video of rioters casually strolling out of the U.S. Capitol waving flags, smiling, and taking photos of the words etched into the door.

      By now you might have also seen this in your Facebook feed or on a neighborhood chat board:

      Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, “This is what democracy looks like.” …

      I get it. I know how temping it is to cut & paste something that aligns with strongly held beliefs. You might not even read it all the way through. I’m guilty myself.

      But I’ve worked as a journalist for 30+ years, and I have never believed or told anyone that “violence is the only way people who feel oppressed can be heard, it’s the only way to get justice, and this is what democracy looks like.” And I don’t know any journalists who have. The journalists I know work very hard to help people understand complex issues by offering multiple perspectives, contextual history and compelling stories that illustrate the point.

      There is no big homogenous “media.” The reporters working at your local newspaper and TV and radio stations have nothing in common with Rush Limbaugh (a media person, but not a journalist) or many of the talking heads on CNN (political commentators, not journalists). When people use the term “the media” as if we’re all alike it’s not only wrong, it’s dangerous.

      Last year, scores of journalists were attacked by police while covering BLM rallies, despite the constitution enshrining the right of the press to cover the news. Here are just a few examples from my world of public radio. …

      1. Sorry, but you are wrong about what the MSM (print and broadcast) say about lefty violence vs. the Right. The difference in reporting has been the same unhinged bilge as outlined by S. Meyer here. You just don’t want to admit that your profession is shilling for a political party.

    3. Meyer, you are right on the money. Democrat Party is hopelessly corrupt right down to the county committee level and even lower in their organization. The MSM is also hopelessly corrupt. They are supposed to be the fourth estate bringing news to the people and exposing crimes and scandals. The present crop of “journalists” are merely shills for the DNC. The only fix is to find someone in a position of power to indict and prosecute the criminals. Does such a person exist? I doubt it.

      1. Philly, thank you for the comment, but I didn’t write the piece. I agreed with what the comment said. It came in my email without attribution and I thought it could be enjoyed by people like you. I enjoyed it.

        Anonymous the Stupid has pointed out something where parts of this seem to come from, but wants to insinuate that I was plagiarizing.

        There are many differences especially in the first sentence where it said I didn’t write it.but you know Anonymous the Stupid is stupid. He’s a disrupter who takes a good blog like this and tries to disrupt it. That is what stupid people do to spend their time.

      2. Philly, I should have added that Anonymous the Stupid likes to insult. He insulted you for no real reason other than you voiced an opinion that he was too stupid to understand. Stupidity and insults are a major part of Anonymous the Stupid.

        To separate Anonymous the Stupid from the other anonymous posters I use the label Anonymous the Stupid which can be used by anyone. It might help people differentiate one anonymous from the other.

        1. Sometimes I almost feel sorry for Allan/S. Meyer. Someone must have called him “stupid” when he was growing up.

    4. Allan/S. Meyer: “I didn’t write this but I agree with what it says.”

      Generally, people use quotation marks when they post something that isn’t their own.

      This generally accepted practice is one that Allan/S. Meyer likes to ignore.

  8. He doesn’t need Biden he has Pence unless something happened in the last two days to change things and I would dearly love to see it shoved up the asno of that group. Until then color me expat. As a 23 year veteran of combat arms I don’t need any of the bologna party and have the Purple among other things to prove it. Most of them never qualifed to be a citizen.

  9. Some of America’s finest:

    “Off-duty Virginia police officers arrested for their roles in the U.S. Capitol riot”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2021/01/13/two-virginia-police-officers-arrested-storming-capitol-riot/4155103001/

    And this guy:

    “Retired Delco firefighter arrested for hurling fire extinguisher at Capitol Police during riot”

    https://whyy.org/articles/retired-delco-firefighter-arrested-for-hurling-fire-extinguisher-at-capitol-police-during-riot/

    The same types that participate in Cointelpro-style ops against their fellow Americans.

  10. I have never understood why it is so unnerving or destructive to try a former president.

    You might consult with Gen. Flynn on how our system of justice actually works. Then there is the issue of finding an impartial jury and/or a judge. Change of venue? Where? If you want destructive, go ahead and prosecute Donald Trump for anything imaginable. But If the individuals that the facts and evidence prove conspired to take down a duly elected president, aren’t prosecuted as well, then you will only succeed in making 75+ million Americans finally convinced the security of their rights is not in the interest of government. If you take away hope they can peacefully change the direction of government through voting and you show them only political enemies get prosecuted, then you leave them with only two alternatives; 1. Submission. 2. Rebellion.

    And conservatives, by nature, will not willfully submit or be alienated from their rights.

    1. Flynn seems to have committed the crime he pleaded guilty to. The average defendant doesn’t get a presidential pardon. He’s an example of how our system of justice works for the well-connected.

    2. Olly, I see below that Anonymous the Stupid disagrees with you, but take note that while you provided food for discussion he can provide only empty rhetoric.

      “Flynn seems to have committed …” followed by no fact proving what he says. This is chronic. He is unable to understand the danger to our nation, its people or himself. He cannot relate things to past events in history such as the French Revolution. That is why one can aptly refer to him as Anonymous the Stupid. It is that stupidity that subjects all of us to danger.

      1. He’s too myopic to understand that the word system is the whole thing, not a nit of one case. Did Flynn plead guilty? I believe he did. But when you zoom out and look at the system of justice that led to that guilty plea, then you understand that this was not a prosecution, but a persecution. Millions of people throughout history have been executed on a system like that. Witches were burned at a stake for that. To find a population of 21st century citizens that support this, is an indictment of their qualifications to be part of our franchise. Hell, I would guess the 18th century slave population would have been more reliable a vote to secure our lives, liberty and property than many of these folks today.

  11. Professor – with respect, there is the view on this from legal theory and view on this in terms of practical national security.

    Those using the Richard Nixon example clearly did not live in the 1970s. The extreme persecution that Donald Trump had by the U.S. intelligence community, media, etc., is nothing like the Vietnam era and Watergate protests for Richard Nixon. Secondly, Richard Nixon had a concrete criminal offense tied to his impeachment involving obstruction of justice. Trump’s impeachment is about the “impact” of language. Totally different. I understand there are also other potential “criminal” charges in the future. But after the past 4 years and the degradation on law enforcement credibility, they are going to appear to be “political persecution” charges. If it were CCP or another country, and we were observing from a distance, we might also consider them to be “political charges” as well.

    The context of the times are also completely different. If law enforcement authority (with clearly corrupt and illegal intelligence operations) had not been corruptly abused for FOUR YEARS against an elected president (Trump), the legal theory argument of prosecuting Trump would have reasonable consideration.

    But the fact is law enforcement authority WAS abused for many years against this elected president. The credibility and respect for such authorities are on very thin ice with many millions of the American public, and the abuse issues have barely begun to be addressed. So the legal theory argument of prosecuting a president (while correct), cannot ignore the practical problems of our current times.

    The democracy of the U.S. has suffered blast after blast. Another blast in theory seems reasonable. But in practical life, the dam of public outrage that will be burst will be the most dangerous division the U.S. has seen in over a century. Extremists who seek to push what is left of the U.S. democracy over the edge, are gleefully hoping that such an overreach (ignoring context) occurs. Those are the anarchists of every political spectrum who for their own reason want to “burn it all down,” believing the U.S. institutions are irredeemable. They are further fueled by this terrible pandemic and resultant poverty which has affected so much of the U.S. So yes,those people will certainly not want a pardon. But do we really want the dam to break, to prove that we are “right”? Will that really help the American people and its institutions? I think not, and I strongly urge intelligent people to use restraint in calling for such “arrests.” We don’t need more gasoline on the fire today.

    What we REALLY want are pardons for Trump and his administration BEFORE January 20. We need to defuse the extremist calls for violence, before things get further out of hand. It may not be the legal theory that some like to hear, but come back in 10-20 years after you have resolved the legal problems at FBI and other institutions, and then let’s talk about how we need to be “consistent.” We are not even in the universe of beginning to solve those problems yet, and we need to buy time to actually resolve national issues, to ensure law enforcement and institutional credibility, not apply anarchist solutions to these serious crises.

  12. I read the entire transcript. Trump said absolutely nothing that would be considered inciting a riot. As a matter of fact he urged peaceful and patriotic protest. The attack on the Capitol was instigated by anarchists who hijacked a peaceful protest. This whole farce has been orchestrated to humiliate Trump and get him out of the political arena. Biden supporters rioted, vandalized, looted, and burned down cities. There was no outcry and even fewer arrests. If improving an economy, making the lives of minorities and the middle class better, making peace in the Middle East, protecting our borders, improving our military, and developing a vaccine against the Chinese virus are prosecutable crimes, then heaven help our legal system! Enough already. Go spend your time prosecuting Hunter, culpable democrats and members of the deep state. They are the ones who truly committed crimes!

  13. Jonathan: Well, we finally agree on something. Biden should not pardon Trump and he should be prosecuted after he leaves office. But we part on the issue on whether Trump had the requisite “intent” when he called on his supporters at the rally last Wednesday to overturn the Electoral College votes. In the context of Trump’s incendiary rhetoric and actions after the election Trump made plain what he wanted. He wanted state officials in states, like Georgia, to commit voter fraud to change the votes from Biden to him. At the rally Trump summoned his well armed supporters to overturn the election–to stage a coup and keep him in power. Generalissimo Trump knew what he was doing and what he expected from his merry band of rioters.

    No one can predict whether the Republican controlled Senate will actually convict Trump. But whatever happens Trump faces enormous legal jeopardy after he leaves office. In addition ,his business house of cards is crumbling. His golf resorts and hotels are losing money in buckets. The PGA says it will not hold future tournaments at Trump resorts. Deutsche Bank is calling in the $340 million in loans to Trump and refuses to deal with Trump in the future. Trump will probably sue the bank but is unlikely he will be allowed to re-negotiate his loans as he has done in the past. But it’s not just the banks that consider Trump toxic. Foreign leaders don’t want any part of Trump. The Scottish prime minister won’t let Trump into the country to visit his golf resort. Trump will be persona non grata everywhere he tries to go after leaving office. Even the city of Palm Beach doesn’t want him as a resident.

    In typical narcissistic fashion Trump has turned his vengeance against all his former loyal allies like VP Pence and Mitch McConnell. Trump is so isolated and angry he is now refusing to pay the legal bill of Rudy Giuliani who, until the end, supported Trump’s unfounded claims of massive election fraud and stood up last Wednesday and demanded the armed mob engage in “trial by combat”. In the end Trump’s loyalty is only to himself. The emperor has no clothes but he refuses to look in the mirror!

    1. Dennis – what do you think will happen during and after a prosecution of Donald Trump?
      Do you really think it is worth it?

    2. talk about the impeachment for a second. it’s premised one what?

      there was not solicitation of a crime of violence, nor insurrection 18-2393 nor sedition 18 usc 115 nor seditious conspiracy 18- 2384,if i have them right, go read those statutes and understand what kind of proof a prosecutor would want to bring such charges and it’s obvious, its lacking

      also take a look at history. in far more stark circumstances with unpopular defendants and some evidence, the government has failed massively

      there is no legit crime or misdemeanor at the foot of the impeachment articles, just an indictment which is based on political outrage, not a cognizable crime

      but the congress wants a parliamentary style no-confidence vote, and now, they have it. what a lot of good it does anyone. Pyrrhic victory

      Sal Sar

  14. Did you even listen to his speech? I did. I was there. There was no incitement to anything except despair. The President called on his supporters to come to DC implying that he had a plan. We got there and stood in the freezing cold and the mud for hours only to learn that his only plan was punting to Pence who very reasonably didn’t feel like carrying the whole weight of rectifying the stolen election on his shoulders. At no point did Trump incite anybody to any kind of violence. If a lack of leadership were a criminal offense then yes go ahead and indict him. When I realized that the only plan was there was no plan, I went back to my hotel and actually felt guilty about not going on to the Capitol. Now I thank my lucky stars that I did, although I still expect the FBI to come knocking. I can’t speak for anybody else but I have been told by psychologists that I’m an emotional lightning rod. The prevailing emotions at the White House were a sense of letdown, disappointment, and betrayal. The whole event was a grotesque undead MAGA rally. It felt like a wake. For the first time since he took office, I saw what the President’s critics see. I still think he did a great job for the country, I do not believe in the strongest terms he did anything criminal or impeachable, but he did reveal himself to be past his expiration date as a leader. In my opinion it was that lack of leadership that led some Trump supporters to take matters into their own hands and foolishly follow the Antifa plants into the Capitol. Of course they believed there would be no consequences just as there have been no consequences for the past 6 months as the left burned the country down. Trump supporters and the GOP in general have revealed themselves to be criminally naive and fell with a loud kerplunk into the trap. The result will be a loss of liberty for everyone.

  15. You mean like all the demonkkkrats who committed proven crimes, or just the people the DOJ decide to prosecute or the FBI decide to frame. I just hope I live to see the day when leftist reap what they have sewn. Venezuela 2.0

  16. I wonder if insurrection at the Capitol has changed JT’s ideas about free speech protections and how far they can reasonable reach before the 1st Amendment becomes the weapon with which a militant faction pumps itself up to take down the US Constitution and US government?

    As I have argued many times in regards to free speech, misinformation campaigns and corrective-truth campaigns do not compete on a level playing field. Consider how difficult it would be right now to get detailed information in digested form to rebut the fantasy story Trump put out there of having “won the election, and by a landslide”. That takes time, connections, and the smarts to process gobs of separate information sources. Trump’s fake-narrative took almost no cognitive effort, and no time to sythesize.

    Look at the results. Polls indicate that somewhere north of 30% of Republicans believe that Trump is right and the election was stolen. They cite his 74M votes as fact, but conveniently ignore numbers coming from the same source saying Biden got 81M. When you raise this point, they will immediately claim that the difference, 7M votes, were somehow manufactured, yet have no credible mechanism by which that could have occurred.

    A clever infowarrior like Pres Trump has given free-speech advocates like JT a dramatic demonstration of how easy it is for deceptive infowarfare to commandeer the minds of people — a blitzkrieg assault which prempts their ability to process counter-narrative information. The misinformation campaign’s success in shaping opinion into militant conviction in favor of seditious rebellion against the Republic — I’d like to know if JT still thinks the antidote to lies is truth? Or, is the medicine ineffective arriving too late after the onset of the infection?

    JT’s arguments rest on the Counterspeech Doctrine cited by Justice Louis Brandeis, summarized in the First Amendment Encyclopedia:

    “The counterspeech doctrine posits that the proper response to negative speech is to counter it with positive expression. It derives from the theory that audiences, or recipients of the expression, can weigh for themselves the values of competing ideas and, hopefully, follow the better approach.”

    This doctrine appear to be naive about innate group psychology, in which group loyalty often overpowers pursuit of truth.

    Therefore the question remains: Can we allow misinformation campaigns go forward to foment insurrection? How can such a permissive view of speech be compatible with a Constitutional Republic’s paramount imperative of stability and longevity?

    Note: This analysis is not to be interpreted as endorsing government censorship. There are many other avenues and actors who can moderate the public discussion toward peaceful conflict. This is what we are seeing since 01/06.

  17. you mean he must answer like all the dozens of proven crimes against demonkkkrats? Depending on who the justice dept decides to prosecute or the FBI decides to frame

  18. To use Comey’s words, if “he belongs in jail,” he should go to jail.

    But we already know he doesn’t belong in jail. Prosecution can only be an effort to convict Trump of a crime he didn’t commit (obstruction) or that (in the case of tax fraud) there was no probable cause for the DA to investigate..

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