Do grading systems need a “failure” option? That is the question being increasingly asked in schools across the country. The latest school to eliminate the F is Sunrise Park Middle School in White Bear Lake, Minnesota which posted a videotape on a new grading scale which does not allow for any grade below 50 percent. It also bans the use of a student’s behavior or class record to be considered in grading.
One of the areas of the greatest attention in recent years for anti-racism reforms in schools has been grading and testing systems. Whole university systems have abandoned standardized testing as inimical to minority advancement while secondary school systems have eliminated expulsions due to disruptive conduct, removed proficiency requirements in Math and English, and eliminated advanced programs for learning.
In Minnesota, District Superintendent Dr. Wayne Kazmierczak has campaigned for grading reform. He has argued that “grading can be one of the largest areas in which systemic racism and inequities are perpetuated,” according to the school website.
That view is reflected in the YouTube video by Principal Christina Pierre and Associate Principal Norman Bell who insist that the emphasis should be on what a student knows and not how they behave. Moreover, they explain that there will no longer be failing grades as shown on the new grading scale:
Frankly, I like some of the reforms. For example, allowing students to retake exams seems a good way to get them to actually learn material rather than focus entirely on test performance.
I also recognize that class disruption penalties can produce racially disparate results and can reflect bias. However, grades have traditionally included class performance and conduct, including late submissions or bad conduct. Frankly, I would prefer greater efforts at allowing students to ameliorate such bad attendance or conduct grades rather than eliminate any grading based on misconduct. Schools teach conduct as well as content lessons. Indeed, they reinforce many of the lessons of parents at home. I would like less emphasis on punishing bad conduct, including expulsions. However, I would not eliminate such penalties. Such actions can be monitored and reviewed to recognize racially discriminatory motives or patterns.
The elimination of the F grade is an interesting debate. I am not sure that I would favor such an elimination rather than allowing for opportunities to remove the grade. However, I am open to such proposals. the use of “incomplete” has its benefits. Once again, I think that it is very important to try to avoid failing students, which only further isolates and demoralizes students. Faced with failing grades across the board, a student is more likely to give up and drop out. Often a test with no points reflects a serious underlying problem that needs to be addressed. The question is whether anything is really lost by treating such tests as “incomplete” as opposed to a failure. I think that the important thing is to allow students to retake tests and keep working to learn the material.
However, the greater danger is grade inflation and lowering proficiency standards. That is why I have opposed the elimination of standardized testing. I was particularly moved by the frustration of a mother in Baltimore recently who complained that her son was in the top half of his class despite failing all but three of his classes. Graduating students without proficiency in English or Math is the worst possible path for these students, schools and society.
I would allow teachers to continue to grade on class performance and records. However, I think that the effort to allow students to retake exams and change grades is a good one from an educational standpoint. This is not simply because of race differentials. It benefits all students at a time of great stress and dysfunctional pressures. Our job as educators is first and foremost to teach material and help students learn. Accordingly, I like the policy to retake/revise tests, quizzes, papers, projects within a 10-day window after the grade is posted.
I think that there is common ground in these often heated debates. For my part, I would keep standardized tests, reinforced proficiency requirements for graduation, and keep grading based in part on classroom performance. I would also require any grading of class performance to be separately noted and explained to allow for monitoring and review. I would also implement the changes on allowing for the retaking of tests, quizzes, and projects.
What is lost in these debates is that we all care about education and these kids. We should be able to reach good-faith resolutions to help those students struggling in the system. We need to keep them invested in doing better while reinforcing the need to be personally accountable. We need however to stop screaming at each other and look at new ways of approaching these problems.
The United States is doomed. An ignorant population is easier to control, and it certainly won’t be a global force. Such methods as pretending students aren’t failing is clearly not designed for academic excellence.
Karen Says:
“The United States is doomed. An ignorant population is easier to control, and it certainly won’t be a global force. Such methods as pretending students aren’t failing is clearly not designed for academic excellence.”
Small wonder Trumpists are failing in high schools because they cling to “alternative facts.” As if it matters that fly over country is falling behind academically, Trumpists eschew colleges and universities which they regard as infested with Socialists and hotbeds of Critical Race Theory. MAGA nation will not subject themselves to be brainwashed by Liberal elites even had they attained legitimate grades sufficient to matriculate.
Jeff, you said to ” call you out” when you replied using the word ” Trump” or a derivative thereof when posting on a subject matter totally unrelated to Trump. I am calling you out now. This is about grades in school. How is that about Trump? Now my guess is that you consider Karen S a ” Trumpist” . Therefore everything that she posts, or anyone else you deem a ” Trumpist” for that matter, regardless of the subject matter can be rejected, ridiculed, and deemed inaccurate because they meet your criteria to be a ” Trumpist” , (Deplorable).
This name calling is a very weak, go to tactic used by those on the Left as a counter argument when the facts may not support a certain position. I am sorry but this reminds me of the absolute favorite go to of the Left when faced with an opposing view. YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!.
If you oppose having tens of thousands of illegal immigrants crossing the border unvetted, YOU ARE A RACIST!!
If you oppose cash bail for those arrested for felonies, YOU ARE A RACIST!!
If you oppose your children being taught that it is ok for their classmates to be separated into oppressors and those who are oppressed, YOU ARE A RACIST!!!
The list goes on and on.
If the counter argument is to call your ” adversary” a pejorative, you have no legitimate argument.
My guess is that if Karen S said ” water is wet” you would try to intimate that statement not to be true because she is a ” Trumpist”. I suppose you could try to use the ” That depends on what the definition is ,is” rebuttal.
I know that it is your life’s work to call out Trumpists. But C’mon man. You are insulting your own intelligence by always devolving into this ” I have to call out Trumpists at all costs”
crusade. You see Trumpist in every shadow.
I know this is a blog and not a courtroom. But you are a lawyer. Stick to the admissible evidence. Who someone supports politically is not admissible. Make the case on it’s elements.
By the way, every time I print the word ” Trumpist” I get the red line under it. I believe that means it is misspelled or not a legitimate word. Think about it.
You caught me. I am guilty. The gambler in you will welcome that you are currently a point up on me.
I have already explained why I never call Conservatives “racists.” “Trumpists” are worse, for a racist may sincerely believe people of color- on account of breeding- are inferior to the white man as most if not all the Founding Fathers no doubt did. Of course, they could not be more mistaken.
Trumpists, on the other hand, are liars. Because there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud, Trumpists cannot sincerely believe the election was stolen. They just continue to lie in spite of the fact that the truth is indisputably known.
Since you are not a Trumpist like Karen, relax. Unlike her, you will not be held accountable for fostering a lack of faith in the integrity of our elections and instilling a profound distrust in our governmental institutions by conjuring the ludicrous notion of the “Deep State.”
I think that I am up more than a single point. More like a touchdown. But I LOVE the analogy.
Be well.
“Small wonder Trumpists are failing in high schools because they cling to “alternative facts.” ”
Jeff, it probably never crossed your mind that you are dealing with “alternate facts”
Let me give one example. The black minority overwhelmingly supports the Democrats. However, look at the inner cities and see how few developed proficiency in math and English on graduation. Then look and see who is doing something about it. Charter Schools competed in NYC, and it has been proven that those black youth who attend Charter Schools compete successfully at a much higher level than the public schools. Those kids are even going to college, and some of the Charter Schools can compete academically with expensive private schools.
Who is trying to promote Charter Schools for the betterment of inner-city youth? People from the right. Who is trying to stop the growth of Charter Schools? People from the left, just like you.
You must think that the population is very ignorant, but about 50,000 students will not be randomly selected for a better education. Do you know why? The left wants to keep the failing public schools as they are. They don’t care that the inner-city youth remain uneducated. You are a hypocrite.
“. . . they cling to ‘alternative facts.’”
As a lawyer (?), you should know better.
The expression “alternative facts” has a perfectly legitimate use in the field of law.
Sam says:
“The expression “alternative facts” has a perfectly legitimate use in the field of law.”
Like “imaginary numbers” are perfectly legitimate in mathematics?
“Like “imaginary numbers” are perfectly legitimate in mathematics?”
You know very little when it comes to what we are talking about just like you know very little about imaginary numbers.and mathematics.
SM
That’s startling. JS doesn’t know imaginary numbers are solidly a part of basic math? Maybe this will help him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T647CGsuOVU
I know imaginary numbers are a thing in Mathematics, you idiot. I was being sarcastic.
Excuses, excuses:
ATS (Anonymous the Stupid) blames another anonymous entity for his errors.
Jeff Silberman blames being sarcastic for the misunderstanding.
Both rely on excuses, time and time again. There is no end to their perfidy.
“The United States is doomed.”
True. The left is paying people to act and be stupid. That only lasts until the gifts run out. The nation is in trouble, and I do not see it returning to its former self.
Below is an example of what we have to look forward to. Jeff thinks supporters of Trump are ignorant. You have at least one degree. My family, wife and children, all have degrees and advanced degrees (they even publish). They are considered the experts in their respective fields by those in the field. I have advanced degrees as well. It is funny how Jeff insults people who have had an education as good as or better than his, and all are smarter and better adjusted than him.
Agree completely. I’m a recently retired teacher. 10-20% of students in my classes missed more than 50% of scheduled classes and turned in less than 50% of required work. How does that merit anything but an F?
Who are they trying to fool? – A grade of 0 – 100 is simply a scale. It could be any range (e.g., 50-100, 10-1000) – you still get a ranked-order, except the lower the range the lower the granularity. If fail is the new 50 then it is still a fail. If anything below 50 falls into a some made up term – then a student who would have scored 49 and another 15 will in effect be relegated to the same bin of failure just not labelled failure. Worst there is no compensation for hard work – e.g. lets say the student with 15 can double or triple his grade – he/she then gets 30, or 45 which is the same label as 15. Ie. The outcome of many of these ideas is not pretend that we solved a problem while creating a far more serious one. The more important is who do you fool??? – One can manage their own universe in their school and pretend that the world has changed as a result. This is silly and nonsensical. Employers will soon learn that a 50 is simply the same as an F – assuming that the tests reflect a positive correlation and work performance. The more the data is designed to ‘hide the cheese’ the more likely it is, as employers learn that the underlying data is manipulated, that they will discount it further. For an employer the risk is not at the high end of the distribution – the risk is at the lower end – the lower the trust the worst their will bias their weighting in making the decision re hiring – at the lower end !!! – Instead of working to improve student performance – (remember stand and deliver !!) – the system is out to ensure that data is hidden – history has shown this to be a mistake. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions – I do not think stupidity is a mark of ‘good intention’ – thinking through the problem, fixing the underlying problem, etc – and getting it wrong sometimes is ‘good intention’ – this is simply a case of kicking the can down the road. Bad school outcomes have been pushed as affirmative action for university to handle, etc, instead of actually fixing the problem early OR at least improving on it significantly. But that is not what these people actually want to do – they simply want to shift what is within their sphere or responsibility and control to someone else – dammed be the consequences to the individual. I am just curious who is the genius who worked out that fixing problem downstream – years later, is a far better approach then fixing it in the beginning – i.e. who is the genius who thinks that instead of fixing education at primary and high school it is better to let it fester and be fixed by either universities (the fix there is inflate grades or usher students to some silly subjects where everyone just needs to recite the lecturer back to him/her on the tests) or further down by employers.
If you use logic an ounce of statistics, basic economic theory – you will figure out that ‘pretend’ ends up in failure when reality strikes.. You can pretend that a distribution of 50 to 100 is different from 0-100 in some magical way – except the reality – it conveys the same data with less granularity.
This sounds as logical as deciding to mark all temperature below, let’s say 10 degrees as cold, and pretending we improved the weather – ie minus 100 is cold, plus 10 is cold -. Marking 50 to 100 instead of 0 to 100 than it is a mapping function or kind of Relu function with 0 replaced by 50 – it removes information – i.e less feedback, less relative placement, etc. If this was the norm- what do you think employers will think of a cv with 50? – why not go better and make the bottom mark 80 – it 80 to 100 , they can all be to students – keep narrowing the distribution – eg 90 to 100, 96-100 – what do you think you will get?? , Logic and statistical reasoning is clearly lacking.
We don’t need Royal families. No king’s, queens, princesses, princes. No nation should put some family on high ground. The Brits are the dumbest people on earth.
Our news media promotes this itShay. Harry this and Elizabeth that. Royal weddings and crowns on the heads.
Archie, the comic book perpetual teenager, knew how to deal with bad grades. “I’ll just tell my parents A is Awful, Bad is Bad, C is Colossal, D is Dandy, and F is Fantastic.” Problem solved!
Semantic games. It’s not a baby, it’s a fetus. Off with his head. Through the looking glass.
What I want in my life is doctors who got an “I” through grade school and college, because that’s where this is going, performing major surgeries on my body and prescribing me medication. Or better yet, a lawyer with an “I” career representing me in criminal court. Those sound like winner of ideas.
Bad conduct isn’t just an annoyance. At the least, it can prevent the other students from learning, impacting their future chances. At worst, it can become violent leading to injury, murder, or suicide.
Some bad conduct can be cured by working it off at the school, helping the janitor, or helping the teacher. But other types of bad behavior can be a threat to the safety of the school, as headlines unfortunately regularly make us aware.
When there is a question of racism in regard to the distribution of bad conduct demerits, the only thing that matters is if everyone is held to the same standard. One shouldn’t be permitted to misbehave simply because more people of one group misbehaves than others, and it makes the numbers look bad. There might, however, be specific cultural remedies that try to connect with these kids, and get them straight. What would reach a kid in an opioid-bombed-out Appalachian town might not connect with a kid in Compton, a kid from Orange County, or a kid acting out having just immigrated from a war torn country. They each might have different pressures in their lives.
” But other types of bad behavior can be a threat to the safety of the school, as headlines unfortunately regularly make us aware”
Democrat policy leads to the Parkland shootings in Broward County Fl. and the killings in NYC..
Public schools keep passing failing students. That’s how we get high school seniors who read 5 years below grade level, and are hopeless at math. Simply pretending a student is failing doesn’t mean he suddenly grasps the material.
Doing away with failing grades just means more schools shuffle kids on to grades for which they are not prepared. Math builds upon everything before. Literacy is required in all subjects. If you don’t have a solid foundation, you will be ever more shaky on every subject, grade after grade. This system produces graduates totally unprepared for either the workplace or college. Then it becomes the responsibility of colleges to take on failing students who can’t complete their coursework. Those colleges are faced with either flunking them out, and being accused of racism, or finding some way to keep passing them.
This entire system does failing students a disservice.
Bernie Sanders supporters and those that support Joe Biden’s puppeteers.
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“Venezuela subtracts six zeros from currency, second overhaul in three years”…
Venezuela’s year-on-year inflation is 1,743%, according to the Venezuelan Finance Observatory. A minimum wage salary is barely $2.50 per month.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuela-subtract-six-zeros-currency-second-overhaul-three-years-2021-10-01/
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Look at your bank accounts and subtract 6 zeros from it. Tell us what is left.
It’s funny how the Democrat Socialists keep praising capitalist Scandinavia, promising that as their ideal, yet they push policies that produced Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea.
Only a fool keeps repeating a failed experiment.
Or votes for it.
Karen says:
“It’s funny how the Democrat Socialists keep praising capitalist Scandinavia, promising that as their ideal, yet they push policies that produced Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea.”
You may be bemused by Democratic Socialists, but I am not the least bit amused by Trumpist Fascists who sing the praises of the likes of Victor Orban and Vladimir Putin as staunch defenders of Orthodox Christian culture against the West’s Secular Progressivism.
You are a hypocrite.
What is the long term difference between human vs. virtual education?
Probably only the cost since most education is apparently quickly forgotten.
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“Students forget 95% of what they learn in high school after 3 days. Here’s how to help them study”
“A German psychologist named Ebbinghaus decided to do an interesting experiment. He created a list of 2300 made-up words and tried to personally memorise them, while repeatedly testing himself at various time intervals. Evidently he was a man who knew how to make the most of his free time.
“What he found was that when he tested himself a day after memorising some words, he only remembered roughly one third of them. Two days after that, he remembered just 5%.”
– MyTuition.com
Dear Professor Turley, don’t worry about the students who don’t get an F in school. They will get their F in real life. A low grade is a warning of the life awaiting them in their future. Not providing this warning is a dereliction of duty by their instructors. It won’t take long after they are no longer in school before they realize that they have F’d themselves with the help of the education system.
It’s teaching 101. A grade should only assess what it’s meant to assess. Many districts have separate grading for things like behavior and work habits so they don’t get mixed into core subjects – just like you shouldn’t be assessing grammar in a mathematics assessment unless it affects the mathematics.
Teaching 102: there’s a difference between assessments that drive a teacher’s instruction, and an assessment that calculates a student’s skills and knowledge. It’s inappropriate to include poor early results in a grade when the teacher should be using them to determine what exactly the student’s needs are. But many inexperienced teachers mix them all up. Keeping an F that a student earned during the first week of study is not only stupid, it’s inaccurate when that student has shown mastery by earning As and Bs in the same subject several weeks later. But not including an F at the end of course work is a flat out lie. If that’s where the kid is, that’s where the kid is.
But you need both – early assessments that help teachers tailor instruction on an individual level, and mid-final assessments that establish the level each student’s skills and knowledge have attained.
But these “educators” who don’t want to codify a student’s work – it’s not really about racism, it’s about their own incompetence. Many of these whiners either don’t know their own subjects, or flat out suck at teaching. They’re lousy, incompetent teachers, and they don’t want to be held accountable. Because grades are often as much a reflection on the educator as the student.
Communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs) in America love “efficient” electric cars, tankless water heaters and wind generators (the production and ultimate disposition of which causes inordinate pollution) etc., and the cheap products of hyperefficient, “peopleless” factories, but bought-off and corrupted, communist school boards allow the radical, extremist, communist teachers unions to preclude and deny the benefits of automation and digitization to taxpayers and students, under which 90% of greedy teachers would be terminated.
America needs automated and digitized education, absent propaganda, indoctrination, the potential for human bias, intellectual perversion, abject error (i.e. educator proficiency deficiencies) and resource squandering.
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“Production Soared After This Factory Replaced 90% of Its Employees With Robots”
Hope you aren’t too attached to your job.
The Rise of the Robot Workforce
It’s hard to argue against automation when statistics are clearly illustrating its potential. The latest evidence comes out of a Chinese factory in Dongguan City. The factory recently replaced 90 percent of its human workforce with machines, and it led to a staggering 250 percent increase in productivity and a significant 80 percent drop in defects.
Changying Precision Technology Company’s factory used to need 650 human workers to produce mobile phones. Now, the factory is run by 60 robot arms that work around the clock across 10 production lines. Only 60 people are still employed by the company — three are assigned to check and monitor the production line, and the others are tasked with monitoring computer control systems. Any remaining work not handled by humans is left in the capable hands of machines.
According to Luo Weiqiang, general manager of the factory, the number of people employed could drop to just 20, and given the level of efficiency achieved by automation, it won’t be long before other factories follow in their footsteps.
– Futurism.com
Pretty rare for a kid to go from an F to As and Bs just for lack of understanding. The kids who get Fs typically earn them by not doing their work. It’s the teacher’s job to figure out why the student is struggling. Hard to get a horse to drink sometimes.
Maybe it depends on the age group. I don’t have any experience with older students, but with the younger ones, it’s pretty rare for a kid to get Fs for anything other than a lack of understanding.
Assessment is one of the best tools to figuring out how, why, and where a student is struggling. Maybe it changes at some point, but younger students generally want to understand and do well.
All that’s needed is to redefine the meaning of the grades as performance measures, not eliminate them. When I was in grade school, we jokingly did just that, as follows:
A = Awful
B = Bad
C = Crappy
D = Devine
E = Excellent
F = Fantastic
There, problem solved.
Read the famous short story ‘Harrison Bergeron’ by Kurt Vonnegut, a portrait of a dystopian society where everyone must be equal and failure isn’t allowed, which is achieved by handicapping people to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator. When Vonnegut published this story back in 1961, I believe it was considered satire. So sad to see it coming true!
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron
You can also watch the 2006 movie Idiocracy. It really wasn’t supposed to be a documentary!
If people are equal, who is going to pick up the trash, wash the dishes or maintain the sewers? It’s merit that matters. All men are created equal. Creation is the one day it takes sperm to fertilize an egg. After creation, all men are on their own.
Charity is honorable. The more greedy people on Wall Street and Main Street, the more “trickle-down” commerce in the marketplace and the more charity in the collection plate. The next time some idiot tells you that people are equal, tell ’em to —- —! No, better yet, tell ’em to watch a football game or “Jeopardy.”
Freedom is better; freedom generates charity. We don’t need no stinking welfare, affirmative action, food stamps, forced busing, minimum wage, rent control, social services, Obamacare, public housing, etc., etc., etc. We need ambition, endeavor and the free “…pursuit of Happiness.” The Founders gave Americans the one and only thing they could: Freedom. The criminal communists have stolen it.
“Do We Need “F” Grades? More Schools Are Saying No.”
– Professor Turley
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Without “F” grades, a segment of the burgeoning factitious U.S. population would receive no grades at all. An exemplar being a 12% population segment which is spuriously “product placed” in 100% of the scenes on TV and in movies needing no grades of any type or degree.
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“Image is everything.”
– Andre Agassi
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America doesn’t need grades, America has affirmative action, matriculation affirmative action, grade inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, propaganda TV and movie affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, rent control, social services, forced busing, minimum wage, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
The new communists produced by the ubiquitous, treasonous, radical-extremist-teacher-union-dominated public “brainwashing and indoctrination” centers, aka public schools, don’t need grades to prove their submission, loyalty and fealty to the communist party. You don’t see public school inmates on “Jeopardy.” Public schools have no remunerative product requirement. When you enjoy the “dictatorship of the proletariat,” grades are entirely moot. Communist party members must merely “chill” and wait for their generous compensation packages including “positions,” “assignments,” “employment,” UBI, stimulus checks, “unemployment benefits,” etc., all confiscated from other people’s money which is derived “…from each according to his ability,…” and provided “…to each according to his needs.”
Of course, all of this largesse is unconstitutional.
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“[Constitution]? We ain’t got no [Constitution]. We don’t need no [Constitution]. I don’t have to show you any stinking [Constitution].”
– Gold Hat, The Treasure of Sierra Madre
How do we “celebrate diversity” and also demand equal outcomes?
Apparently eliminating grades works.
A chipmunk could be an honor student in today’s schools.
“Distrust diversifications, which usually turn out to be diworseifications.”
– Peter Lynch, One Up Wall Street, 1989
Eliminating failing grades means no student is failing to grasp the material, right? Kind of like decriminalizing fare beating, prostitution and defecating in the street means you are lowering crime because certain activities are no longer defined as such. These things are done because certain groups are unable to meet standards. I have a feeling that eliminating failing grades isn’t going to result in an improved performance from any of the pet leftist groups who are unable to measure up.
Antonio,
Eliminating grades also conceals teacher and system failures, something that may be the greater motive behind eliminating them.
F is assigned to fledglings.
N is assugned to nestlings.
B is assigned to “burdens”
G is assigned on a forward-looking basis where shared/shifted responsibility will increase profit margins (capital extraction, redistributive change) at higher prices
Jonathan: It must be a slow week when you feel compelled to discuss the changes in public school grading systems. I might have graduated high school with a higher GPA had some of my low grades been eliminated. That said, permit me to mention some other more important topics you ignored this past week.
This week the US reached 700,00 deaths from Covid-19. A NY Times study reveals the virus has had a horrific toll on red states. In counties where Trump received 70% of the vote Covid has killed 47 of every 100,000. In counties where Trump won less than 32% the number is about 10 of 100,000. The GOP has a death wish–hostile to science and empirical evidence. Many of the anti-vac crowd have suddenly discovered religion–asserting a faith-based exemption to vaccine mandates. The LA Times Editorial Board just came out against religious exemptions: “There is no Church of Moderna Disbelievers”.
John Eastman, who you have defended, is back in the news. The former law professor at Chapmen University addressed and inflamed the rally crowd on Jan. 6 that resulted in the Capitol insurrection. Now it is revealed Eastman wrote a memo advising VP Pence to refuse to count the Electoral College vote and overturn the 2020 election. This prompted Erwin Chermerinsky,to write an op ed calling on the California Bar to consider disciplinary action against Eastman. Care to comment?
Finally, Trump has been urging GOP controlled states to conduct independent audits of the 2020 election to “prove” there was “massive voter fraud” in the 2020 election. The GOP did just that in Arizona. After months of the audit of votes in Maricopa County what did the GOP find? That Biden, indeed, won the election–and by more votes than originally counted in November! Not dissuaded, Trump is demanding similar audits in other states. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has dutifully complied. Keep doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. This is probably why a new poll indicates 52% of Trump supporters want red states to succeed from the union and form a separate country. If you can’t win an election fair and square create your own country. This is the first really smart idea the GOP has had in years! Save your Confederate money, the South will rise again!
Dennis, please discuss the NY death rate, the MI death rate and the current vaccination rate among Blacks and Latinos and then get back to us.
….please discuss the NY death rate, the MI death rate and the current vaccination rate among Blacks and Latinos and then get back to us.
Immunization rates among Black and Hispanic adults in the U.S. have been persistently lower for all recommended vaccines compared with white and Asian populations.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/ss/ss7003a1.htm
The data is rock solid, well researched and readily available for all to view. When someone injects “religion”, ideology and/or political party affiliation into the discussion, they reveal they have lost the argument.
Follow the science.
Flu Disparities Among Racial and Ethnic Minority Groups
People from racial and ethnic minority groups experience higher rates of severe influenza (flu) illness. A CDC studyexternal icon examined differences in rates of flu-related hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, and in-hospital death by race and ethnicity during 10 flu seasons (2009-2010 through 2018-2019).
This analysis showed disparities in hospitalization rates, intensive care unit admission rates, and in-hospital death rates. These disparities were even larger among children. To help combat these disparities, CDC is working to increase vaccination rates among communities that have historically had lower rates of flu vaccination. CDC recommends flu vaccination in everyone 6 months of age or older.
Overall Age-Adjusted Hospitalization Rates
Non-Hispanic Black people had the highest flu-related hospitalization rate (69 per 100,000)
Non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native people had the second highest flu-related hospitalization rate (49 per 100,000)
Hispanic or Latino people had the third highest flu-related hospitalization rate (45 per 100,000)
Non-Hispanic White people had a lower flu-related hospitalization rate (38 per 100,000) compared with these three groups
Non-Hispanic Asian people had the lowest flu-related hospitalization rate (32 per 100,000)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/highrisk/disparities-racial-ethnic-minority-groups.html
“That Biden, indeed, won the election–and by more votes than originally counted in November!”
And yet another person who does not understand the difference between a “recount” and an “audit” (or is intentionally evading that distinction).
The AZ *audit* did in fact discover numerous, material problems with that election.
Yes, if you recount the phony and corrupt ballots again you will end up with the same fraudulent total.
Young says:
“Yes, if you recount the phony and corrupt ballots again you will end up with the same fraudulent total.”
So the election was stolen is not falsifiable? There is no amount of evidence that will disprove Trump’s claim that he won?
It is an article of faith.
“It is an article of faith.”
It is not an article of faith. It is a pronouncement that sometimes cheaters get away with their crime, and no one can prove it or do anything about it. There were many episodes of lawlessness, mostly occurring in Democrat strongholds where questions of cheating were frequently raised.
Was there lawlessness in the past election? Yes or no?
Did courts in some states bypass the legislators who are supposed to have full authority regarding many election irregularities?
Yes or no?
There is no evidence that you can provide that will dispel the stench from this last election. You are part of it.
Dennis,
Well said. Turley’s silence on Eastman’s memo is quite astonishing especially given the fact that he was forced into retirement from Chapman law school a week after his 1/6 rally exhortation. You would think that Turley would be up in arms that a fellow law Professor was summarily “cancelled” as a result of exercising his freedom of speech! But nothing….crickets.
How on earth can this be? Unlike Trumpists who characterize 1/6 as a patriotic parade, Turley stated they “desecrated” the Capitol. He called Trump’s speech “reckless” and counseled Congress to formally Censure him in lieu of Impeachment. So you would think that Turley would have something to say about Chapman’s role in this riot since it would seem that his memo was very instrumental in the actions that took place that day.
We can’t know why Turley remains silent because he ignores his own blog and the valid questions raised by you. It’s very convenient how Turley evades accountability for his silence on certain cases that infringe on free speech. Not the least of which is the fact that his network Fox has reportedly banned- I say *banned*- Giuliani and the other Trump lawyers from appearing on its programs. Nor has Turley come to his defense or the other lawyers who were sanctioned for perpetrating a fraud on a Michigan court. Fox and Turley seem to be in cahoots to throw these Trumpist lawyers under the bus.
Nor has Turley had one word to say about the humiliating Arizona Audit results disproving the Big Lie.
Finally, it remains to be seen whether our great free speech advocate will analyze the recent decision in the Sandy Hook defamation lawsuit holding liable Trumpist Alex Jones. Perhaps, Turley will distinguish the bad faith conspiracy theories in that case with the allegations of defamatory conspiracy theories broadcast by Fox made by Smartmatic and Dominion. On the other hand, he may want to criticize the Judge’s ruling and defend Jones’ free speech.
Succeed from the union? Good GPA huh? It’s his page, he can cover whatever he wants. If you want your big stories covered, start your own page and get to it.
Succeed from the union? Good GPA huh?
I never read his stuff but your comment made me curious. Good catch.
Jeff is Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino: “get off of my lawn”
Election fraud began with the successors of “Crazy Abe” Lincoln, when freed slaves must have been, not transformed into voters but deported because immigration law (i.e. Naturalization Act of 1802) required citizens to be “…free white person(s)…” – law that was illegally abrogated with a gun to the heads of Americans, under the duress of brutal, post-war military occupation and oppression. Everything “Crazy Abe” did was unconstitutional and remains unconstitutional and illegitimate to this day. People may not benefit from criminal acts.
Election fraud has persisted through illegal invasion over the southern border for five decades. If you haven’t noticed, a very large segment of the population of Mexico now inhabits America as an essential and integral part of the communist agenda establishing the unassailable dominion of global communism.
Currently the Obama First African Expeditionary Invasion Force is being forward deployed to Del Rio, Texas, and all points throughout America to generate future gains in votes, and election fraud and corruption.
Election corruption and vote fraud, you say?
Absolutely.
Maybe, just maybe since Turley loves to write about free speech and grades in school, he can address why voting and school officials are being threatened and harassed by the Trump cult. In almost every state and school districts police now have to be present to protect school and voting officials from people that yell and scream their children don’t need masks, and dead dictators are changing the vote. And not to mention Italian satellites and bamboo dust.
And maybe a the same time he can justify the massive violent riots in Seattle, Portland, Milwaukee and other urban utopias.
FW-The topic is grading students not parental rights vs bureaucrats. Let’s stay on topic for today, no spin.
But. they don’t need masks. Masks are ineffective unless Hospital grade which are expensive, cling to the face, and require frequent replacements. BTW, 6″ separation is equally unscientific. The virus is an aerosol, not droplets. It can penetrate masks and travel at least 15 feet. You are being taught bad science and it is sad to see you uncritically swallow it.
President Trump’s term of office ended almost 9 months ago. But … still … everything is “Trump’s fault” (and the fault of those who could not bring themselves to vote for biden/harris) in the “minds” of those still suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. As our Mom would say: “poor babies.”
Tennants says:
“President Trump’s term of office ended almost 9 months ago. But … still … everything is “Trump’s fault” (and the fault of those who could not bring themselves to vote for biden/harris) in the “minds” of those still suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.”
Trump is still lying his a$$ off about the election. And there is a 9 month old variant of TDS called BDS or Biden Derangement Syndrome. Unfortunately, Trumpists refuse to take the vaccine so they will continue to be afflicted with their hatred of all things Biden.
Yeah Jeff, good thing that Biden doesn’t lie. Trump lied about the size of his crowds, Biden lied about Afghanistan and the border, which harms the nation more.
As you now delve into “January 6” let is know what did more damage, “January 6” or all the riots last summer? How about the riot in DC last June which forced a sitting president to be put in the Bunker? How about crazies in the SENATE ELEVATOR yelling at Jeff Flake? How about FEDERAL court houses being burned? How about police stations?
The only thing good about your obsession with Trump is that you old fools finally stopped yelling at Reagan and Reagan was the only thing that got you old fools to stop screaming at Nixon.
PS. You called Bush Hitler. You called Cheney a war criminal and now you want to canonize his daughter.
Hullbobby says:
“Yeah Jeff, good thing that Biden doesn’t lie. Trump lied about the size of his crowds, Biden lied about Afghanistan and the border, which harms the nation more.”
So you STILL believe that the election was stolen? Go on the record for all eternity- Did Trump win like he says?
Yes or no?
(Hullbobby will chicken out)
“Lying” about the election is payback for the Russian collusion narrative.
Michael admits:
“Lying about the election is payback for the Russian collusion narrative.”
Well, at least you admit you are a bunch of lying Trumpists. That’s a start. Now stop!
You don’t know what you are talking about, so keep talking. We all need a good laugh.
We need raids. Not grades.