The famous philosopher and mathematician Blaise Pascal once declared that “the only shame is to have none.” The problem with shame is that it requires a sense of guilt over one’s actions. In the age of rage, there appear fewer and fewer actions that are beyond the pale for politics. Take Adam Schiff and the Steele dossier. While even the Washington Post has admitted that it got the Russian collusion story wrong in light of the findings of Special Counsel John Durham, House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff, D-Calif., is still insisting that he was absolutely right to promote the discredited Steele dossier. Schiff’s interview on NBC’s Meet the Press may be the final proof of the death of shame in American politics.
Schiff was one of the greatest promoters of the Steele dossier despite access to briefings casting doubt about Steele and the underlying claims. However, Schiff recently has attempted to defend himself by claiming that Steele was a respected former spy and that he was lied to by a Russian source.
Schiff told host Chuck Todd:
“I don’t regret saying that we should investigate claims of someone who, frankly, was a well-respected British intelligence officer. And we couldn’t have known, of course, years ago that we would learn years later that someone who is a primary source lied to him. [Igor] Danchenko lied to Christopher Steele and then lied to the FBI. He should be prosecuted. He is being prosecuted. And I’ll tell you this, if he’s convicted, he should not be pardoned the way Donald Trump pardoned people who lied to FBI agents, like Roger Stone and Mike Flynn. There ought to be the same standard in terms of prosecuting the liars. But I don’t think there ought to be any pardon, no matter which way the lies cut.”
Schiff’s spin is enough to cause permanent vertigo.
Some of us have spent years being pummeled for questioning the obvious problems with the Steele dossier, including the long-denied connection to the Clinton campaign. Schiff was the main voice swatting down such criticism and his endorsements were treated as dispositive for media from MSNBC to the Washington Post. After all, he was the chair of the House Intelligence Committee and assured the public that our criticisms were meritless and the dossier was corroborated.
Schiff’s spin, however, continues to deny the obvious about the Russian collusion scandal.
First, many would guffaw at the claim that Steele was and remains a “well-respected British intelligence officer.” Soon after the dossier was shopped to the FBI, British intelligence flagged credibility problems with Steele. The FBI severed Steele as an asset. Even his own sources told the FBI that Steele wildly exaggerated information and distorted intelligence. Most recently, Steele went public with a laughable claim that Michael Cohen, Trump’s former counsel, was lying to protect Trump despite spending years trying to get Trump charged criminally.
Second, Schiff ignored repeated contradictions in Steele’s dossier as well as evidence that the dossier was paid for and promoted by the Clinton campaign. In 2017, even fired FBI agent Peter Strzok admitted that “we are unaware of ANY Trump advisors engaging in conversations with Russian intelligence officials” and “Steele may not be in a position to judge the reliability of his subsource network.” Schiff would have had access to some of this intelligence. Indeed, while the Clinton campaign was denying that it funded the dossier, American intelligence knew that that was a lie. Indeed, until the Durham indictments, Schiff continued to defend the Russian collusion investigation and the Steele dossier.
Third, Schiff attempts to portray the sole problem with the Steele dossier as Russian analyst Igor Danchenko. That is simply not true. Schiff was long aware that there were allegations of misleading or false information given by the FBI to the secret court. Indeed, the first Durham conviction was of Kevin Clinesmith, the former FBI agent who pleaded guilty. Schiff was aware that President Barack Obama was briefed in 2017 that Hillary Clinton was allegedly planning to manufacture a Russian collusion scandal — just days before the start of the Russian investigation. The dossier was riddled with disproven allegations.
Fourth, Schiff states that he merely sought to investigate allegations. However, Schiff was one of the most active members fueling the Russian collusion allegations. Indeed, when the Mueller investigation found no proof of Russian collusion, Schiff immediately went public to claim that he had evidence of collusion in his committee files. It was meant to keep the scandal alive. Schiff has never produced his promised evidence of collusion.
While Schiff insists that he was just doing his due diligence in pushing for an investigation, the claim is not only undermined by his refusal to acknowledge obvious flaws in the dossier for years but his opposition to the investigation by John Durham. Indeed, while Schiff insists that he is glad to see people like Danchenko prosecuted, he opposed the continuation of this and other investigations.
Schiff told MSNBC that ongoing investigations would constitute “tearing down our democracy” and would serve as a way to “delegitimize” a president. Schiff denounced the Durham investigation as a “politically motivated” effort and resisted demands from Trump to issue a report before the election. Schiff raised the termination of the Durham investigation by Attorney General Garland before Durham could issue any indictments or reports. He added “The appointment is not consistent with the language of the statute that he’s relying on and can be rescinded, I think, by the next attorney general. I would presume the next attorney general will look to see if there is any merit to the work that John Durham is doing.”
So Schiff is now heralding indictments by Durham despite the fact that, if he had gotten his way, there would have been no Durham and no indictments.
The Russian collusion scandal was not some harmless political ploy. Lives were destroyed. Carter Page, who was never charged with a single crime, was labeled a Russian agent and pilloried across networks and print media. A fortune was spent on investigations by Congress, two special counsels, and inspectors general investigations. Hundreds of people faced questioning and many spent their savings on legal representation. A presidency was derailed, agencies like the Justice Department and the FBI were whiplashed by scandal, and Congress dropped a myriad of other issues to focus on various investigations.
In the wake of those costs, Schiff offers little more than a shrug.
Many have long marveled at the incapacity for shame in politicians. That missing emotion was most famously captured by lawyer Joseph Welch in the Army-McCarthy hearings in 1954: “Have you no shame, sir, at long last? Have you no shame?” The answer is that we now live in a post-shame era where the only shame is yielding to the impulses of decency or decorum. The Russian collusion scandal served its purpose and Adam Schiff would be the first say that there is no shame in that.
What About..
The Select Committee On Russian Interference?
The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a “grave” counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlin’s help.
The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlin’s aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.
Edited from:
“Senate Panel Finds Russia Interfered In The 2016 U.S. Election
PBS Aug 18, 2020
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This Senate report, which confirmed Russian Interference in the 2016 election, was one of the UNDER-REPORTED stories of recent years.
Anonymous, the guy who was the primary source for the Steele Dossier was a Russian. Steele took this information to The Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign used this information from the Russian primary source against Donald Trump. Let’s see, information that came from a Russian used by the Clinton Campaign is some how not collusion by Clinton with Russia to effect the 2016 Presidential election. By the way, the report you site said that their findings showed that the Russians were trying to help Trump but the report also stated that their was no collusion with the Trump campaign. You conveniently left out the final findings of the Senate committee. It seems to me that if you are Hillary Clinton and you use Russian information to attack your opponent you would be the one who is colluding with the Russians. You say it was people in the Trump campaign who were colluding with the Russians. I say that it was your top Dog Hillary who was using Russian disinformation all along. Please ask your seeing eye dog to stop barking.
Thinkthrough, at this point to say that Trump ‘wasn’t colluding with Russians’ is like saying ‘Hitler didn’t start the Reichstag fire’. It hardly matters anymore!! January 6th was the biggest gift any American ever gave to our enemies.
The Trump campaign’s interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election
Dates and names.
More accusations, but not really accusations, because they lack specificity.
That makes it smears.
Under English common law, punishment for treason generally included drawing, hanging, beheading, and quartering.
– The Heritage Guide to the Constitution
Estovir–
True with respect to men but with deference to the modesty of her sex women were burned alive instead of hanged, drawn and quartered.
Blackstone mentions it in his Commentaries.
Thanks Young. Humor is my way of dealing with these things, hence the Benny Hill video. Thanks too for the book suggestion on self-defense by Andrew Branca. Its in my cart to purchase, even if I have had a concealed weapons permit for decades and have had quite a bit of weapons training
Branca is live blogging the Rittenhouse trial over at legalinsurrection.com if you are interested. Kind of an evidentiary mess just now over drone videos.
Great video by the way.
It’s frightening the lengths Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, et al would go to in order to discredit Trump, not carrying a flip about the damage they are doing to the country. Time to pull out Gibbons’ “The Decline and Fall of Roman Empire” because it is happening here.
Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, et al all are frightened at the possibility of Donald Trump being reelected. Trump would take no prisoners.
Independent Bob:
“Trump would take no prisoners.”
You got that right. One in the back of the head?
“…End of Shame in America…”
– Professor Turley
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What “Fresh Hell” lies beyond the “End of Shame in America”?
The very same hysterical, incoherent ideology that produced the disgusting, insidious, perjurious, anti-American, anti-freedom, power-hungry Adam Schiff et al. produced this righteous advancement in culture:
Was that really necessary?
Would you rephrase?
No.
Jeffrey Toobin approves of this video.
Jeffrey Toobin and Sophia Urista – the new cultural paradigm!
Lawyers representing and defending Trump and election cases and testifying on his behalf in the impeachment proceedings show there is no shame.
Apparently, you know nothing about the Constitution or law in general. God, I hope you didn’t go to law school. Orangeman bad!
I wonder if you said that during the Clinton impeachment or will when they come for Biden or his son….
The damage is done, however. The dossier served its purpose, which was to discredit Donald Trump.
There are still people who believe the dossier is true. They refused to hear the facts as they came out and reasonably change their opinion. They hate Trump, so they cannot exonerate him or apologize to Trump voters.
This poisoned Trump’s entire presidency. Alleging that a sitting US president was working for Russia against American interests was devastating to that presidency. The FBI itself engaged in egregious misconduct.
This fuels mistrust in the government, and concerns over a deep state.
On some level, what matters most is who runs the country, from the bureaucracy to the intelligence community. Management in key positions of the alphabet soup shapes the course.
People don’t care about mean Tweets. They gleefully forwarded Tweets of Kathy Griffin holding Trump’s severed head, and fantasies of Madonna and Johnny Depp of assassinating the president. Joe Biden calls people dog faced pony soldiers, “good (negr(*S)”, Neanderthal thinking, and said he’d like to take Trump being the bleachers and beat him up.
Democrats were able to reach a fevered pitch of mania over Trump, based upon media coverage that kept pushing the Russia hoax. And before that, the media kept ludicrously claiming that Trump, with a Jewish family, was really antisemitic. The media kept claiming that Trump, one of the most blunt people in politics, was actually speaking in code. When he sent a meme with his oft repeated calls for Hilary Clinton to go to jail, it was declared antisemitic. Clinton isn’t Jewish. Sheriff’s badges are 6 pointed stars. When Trump said there were very fine people at Charlottesville, “and I’m not talking about the white supremacists, who should be condemned totally”, the media claimed this was code to mean the exact opposite. When Trump disavowed white supremacists and racists dozens and dozens of time, on camera, the media kept claiming he had never disavowed white supremacists.
The media kept claiming that there were hidden racist messages in Trump’s rhetoric. That he really meant the opposite of what he said. This was a man who hired minorities and women in high paying positions at his companies when the glass ceiling was 8 feet thick.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden’s racism has been explicit. He wrote a letter opposing school desegregation because he didn’t want his sons going to school in a “racial jungle”. In 2007 he said of Obama, “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” He said a few years ago, Obama would be bringing him coffee. He said if you don’t vote for him, “you ain’t black”, claiming that voting Democrat is a measure of blackness. He called a famous baseball player a “good Negr0&”. He said black people restock shelves while Latinos are doctors. He said that “poor kids are just as bright as white kids.” There is no decoding needed for Biden’s remarks.
We’re all tired of the media’s lies in service to the Democrat Party, and their covering for Joe Biden. The election boost that all this free media propaganda gives to Democrats is immeasurable.
Are you tired of being manipulated yet?
On the View, Whoopi Goldberg once asked why they keep getting the story wrong about Trump. Joy Behar responded quite honestly, that it’s because they hate him, and are willing to believe the worst about him.
Good summary, Karen S! 😊
As always, Karen S with the facts.
Karen, please stop. You do not, and never will, speak for “we”. Spewing out partisan venom in the name of “we” is one of the Fox/alt-right indoctrination techniques. The majority of the American people do NOT agree with the drivel you put out every day, parrotting the lies you heard on Fox. To begin with, and you’ve been corrected about this several times, the Mueller investigation was NOT instigated by the Steele Dossier. And, no amount of alleged “discrediting” of the Steele Dossier will change the facts or evidence uncovered by the Mueller investigation. The Trump campaign did provide information to Russian hackers who used it to spread lies about Hillary Clinton on social media. They knew the soft spots where the lies would do the most good. That’s cheating, and that’s what happened, according to Dan Coats, lifelong Republican, former member of Congress and head of American Intelligence agencies under Trump, who fired him for telling the truth, so there never was any “Russia hoax”. Trump lost the popular vote to Hllary Clinton but found a way to manipulate the Electoral College vote. He has lied about losing the popular vote ever since.
The “media” do NOT lie. That’s what Fox does. That’s what Trump does The “media” do not “cover” Joe Biden. Neither Whoopie Goldberg nor Joy Behar are “media” personalities. And, there’s no story about Trump that anyone got wrong. The incontrovertible facts about this chronic loser just can’t be ignored. HE bragged about grabbing womens’ genitals. HE filed for bankruptcy 6 times, only after his father wasn’t able to bail him out any more. HE praised White Supremacists, caling them “fine people” (it was Kellyanne who came up with the after-the-fact effort to downplay the statement, but we all heard it), and HE called brown people from south of the border “vermin, animals, criminals, rapists and murderers”. HE called African countries “sh!thole”. This is racism, and no amount of Fox-paid backpedaling or paid pieces by Turley will change these facts.
There is NO way any “dossier” could even begin to discredit Donald Trump in the eyes of most Americans. He is nothing but a braggadocious bullsh!tter, bully, misogynist, racist, xenophobic liar. People aren’t going to “change their opinion” about Trump because he IS all of these things, and even more. He is a draft-dodger, he insulted a genuine American hero–John McCain because McCain deep-sixed his plan to overturn Obamacare with nothing (he lied about having a better health plan at lower cost, which still hasn’t materialized)–, and called people who serve in the military “suckers”. He wouldn’t go to a WWII cemetery in France because it was drizzling out and it would ruin his hairdo.
Trump’s phony “presidency” failed because HE is a failure at everything except self-promotion. He set a record for cabinet turnovers because he won’t listen to advice and his sole requirement is loyalty to him. Anyone who doesn’t praise and make him look good has to go–just ask Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci. He has no leadership skills or real accomplishments in life, other than “The Apprentice”, which is nothing but a fake reality TV show in which he plays a successful self-made billionaire. All smoke and mirrors. He created the fantasy of a “deep state” because he couldn’t bully career people in government agencies to do his bidding. Instead, they chose to honor their oath to the Constitution, not to him, so there must be a “deep state” out to get him. He doesn’t even understand the basics of how our government works. Agencies don’t work for him—they work for the American people, to carry out laws and regulations passed by Congress.
And, Trump’s deference to Putin–publicly displayed at Helsinki, in which he sided with Putin and against American intelligence agencies–was no more “devastating” or responsible for his failure as a president than his other blunders. We didn’t need Kellyanne’s spin to see with our own eyes what Trump did at Helsinki. No other occupant of the Oval Office ever publicly sided against the head of American Intelligence in favor of a Russian dictator. He did this because the truth proves he cheated to get into the White House. Kushner had a back-channel to Russia, too. Trump kissed up to dictators, especially Putin, because he needs to keep borrowing money to keep his businesses afloat, and no US lenders want anything to do with him because he is a deadbeat. He doesn’t pay his bills. He’s been sued literally thousands of times for refusing to pay his valid debts. These are facts, not opinions. He brags about not paying for goods and services, forcing litigation, and then driving up attorney fees and costs, to compel a settlement on more-favorable terms. He brags this makes him a successful negotiator. In the eyes of most people, this makes him a crook who enters into contracts in bad faith, with no intention of abiding by the agreement he made that induced the other party to provide goods or services. These are facts, not opinions.
And, Karen wants to lecture us on manipulation. Now, that’s really rich. She is a devotee of a chronic, habitual liar who, when polls predicted his loss, began putting out the message, long before Election Day, that Democrats would cheat him out of his rightful landslide victory, even though he set a record for low approval ratings in the history of presidential polling. He never broke a 50% approval rating. When election returns began showing that Biden was beating him, he tried to get states to stop counting ballots. He tried to bully Fox News into clawing back their assessment that Biden won Arizona. He went into a panic and rage, and began claiming that there was fraud, cheating, and even took a victory lap about 2:00 a.m.. Despite losing dozens of lawsuits and being unable to bully election officials into stealing Biden votes and awarding them to him, he stil won’t stop lying about losing the Election, and went on “Stop the Steal” campaigns to try to rile up the faithful to storm the Capitol, after he couldn’t bully Pence into violating the Constitution. He was impeached twice, and 48 US Senators voted to remove him from office. But, somehow, he’s just a victim of “media” that are being manipulated by Democrats?
You go, Girl!
And keep going. Bye bye.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Go back to Russia Nat…You are conditioned to believe Pravda, and the rest of us here are laughing at you. Wow, are you a good little obedient comrade.
Everything I said was a fact–not opinion. You are the one who has been conditioned to disbelieve facts, especially the Big Lie. Where’s the proof that the “landslide victory” was stolen from Trump? It’s been more than a year. Why would you believe that 50 Secretaries of State were in on the “big steal”, when 26 of them are Republican? Why don’t you believe Chris Krebs, the head of Cybersecurity under Trump, who said this was the most-secure election ever? Why don’t you believe Bill Barr, who said there’s no evidence of widespread voter fraud? Where’s the evidence of massive, widespread voter fraud that could and did change the outcome? Since there is none, why do you keep believing, and what does it take to convince you? Why do you disbelieve the Mueller Report and Dan Coats, both of whom proved that Russians did interfere in 2016, with the input of the Trump Campaign, and the things Russians did was spread lies about Hillary Clinton? All Trump has to do is call these people liars, claim it is a “hoax” and you believe it. You Trumpsters are the ones who are delulsional, and it’s truly frightening.
Natacha tells us that the Steele Dossier was true. Natacha tells us that Mueller found collusion. Natacha tells us that Michael Brown said “hands up don’t shoot.” Natacha tells us that CRT is not a real thing. Natacha tells us that 1619 was the year of the founding of the United States. Natacha tells us that the Covington kids attacked a Native American. Natacha tells us that immigrants were wiped with horse reins. Natacha tells us that the Obama cages were Trump cages. Natacha tells us that the children separated from their parents by coyotes were actually separated by Trump. And last but not least Natacha tells us that Big Foot is a real thing.
thinkit…:
“And last but not least Natacha tells us that Big Foot is a real thing.”
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Found nat telling us about the last item:
I’ve never read the Steele Dossier, but i’ve heard it contains salacious material, like Trump paying prostitutes to urinate on the bed where Barak and Michelle Obama slept. I don’t know whether anything contained in it is true or false and I don’t care because the Mueller investigation was not based on the Steele Dossier. But, Fox keeps lying by claiming that it was, and then harps that it was discredited, so therefore, it is a “hoax” to claim that Trump’s campaign colluded with Russians to help him cheat. I believe Dan Coats, former member of Congress, respected lifelong Republican appointed by Trump as head of all US intelligence agencies, who said that Russians did work with theTrump Campaign to direct lies on social media in a strategic plan directed to districts where it could work to sway enough Electoral College votes to overcome Hillary Clinton’s advantage in polling. That’s why Trump fired him. So, it doesn’t matter whether everything in the Steele Dossier is false, that is not what started the Mueller investigation. And, it was a Republican opponent of Trump who first contacted Steele and started funding his investigation into Trump because he opposed Trump in the primaries. When Trump got the nomination, this Republican turned over the material gathered to date to Hillary Clinton’s campaign and it took over funding the project. That’s another inconvenient fact Fox doesn’t tell you about.
CRT is a “real thing”, but it’s not taught anywhere other than law schools and in colleges. I understand that CRT is a comprehensive overview of not only the fact that whites historically enslaved and exploited people of color and indigenous people, but the extent to which laws and society have been influenced by such exploitation to the disadvantage of people of color and indigenous people, not just in the US, but also Africa and India and other places. CRT is not taught below the college level. Republicans not only lie about CRT being forced on school children, they harp on it, and stir up outrage by claiming that white children are being taught to be ashamed of their heritage. Those lies worked in Virginia, so we’ll see more of them, but it doesn’t change the fact that CRT is not being taught in grade or high schools and no one is teaching white children to be ashamed.
I believe Jeff Sessions when he said that migrant children were taken away from their parents to serve as a “deterrent” to other migrants coming here. So, maybe Jeff was lying?
I saw that smirking little turd Sandmann mocking that Native American man playing his drum on video. Put whatever spin you want on it, but the look on his homely, spoiled brat face said it all to me. It wasn’t a friendly smile. How do you “wipe” someone with horse reins?
Wen Bars says:
“Go back to Russia Nat…You are conditioned to believe Pravda, and the rest of us here are laughing at you. Wow, are you a good little obedient comrade.”
More of the name-calling that Turley denounces and again with the “firing” of Natacha from the blog instead of debating her points.
Turley would NEVER treat Natacha as you do. You have learned nothing here. I have no doubt that Turley would be very disheartened to learn that all his good work have come to naught for you. There is no way that Turley would hold you up with pride as one of his readers….
You should really read your history about the Mueller Investigation, how it was started and why. The Steele dossier was a fraud from the start and the Democrats knew it and ran with it anyway. A sitting President was impeached over a fraud. I get you hate the man and the idea of him drives you nuts. However, this can happen to a Democrat and is more likely now as retribution. It is not good for the country. As for the media lying, trust them at your peril now.
Quiet Man: The Steele Dossier was NOT the instigating event that started the Mueller investigation. That’s been proven time and again, but Fox and other alt-right media keep harping about it, that it’s ful of lies, and that Democrats are behind it, and keep claiming that it is the reason for the investigation, but THE DOSSIER WAS NOT THE IMPETUS FOR THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. It was a comment made to an Australian journalist, who notified American authorities about the activities of Russian hackers. The Steele Dossier is a red herring.
What is there about Trump that ISN’T offensive? He is no patriot. He is a malignant narcissist who lies about everything. He is a failure at business. He is a failure at his 3 marriages (so far–he’s cheated on Melania, too). He has been sued thousands of times for refusing to pay his valid debts. He brags about assaulting women. He cheats on his taxes. He keeps 2 sets of books–one to juice up his Forbes ratings and one for the IRS, to evade taxes. He is a proven racist, and, according to his niece, is anti Semitic. He is a misogynist–he routinely insults women. He lives for attention and adulation. He is a draft-dodger. He insults American heroes, including John McCain. He lied about having a better health care plan to try to get Obamacare overturned for no reason other than it was an achievement by Barak Obama. He lied about Mexico paying to build a wall. He insults and offends everyone, including foreign heads of state: “Little Rocket man”. He was impeached twice, which is a record. Another record he set was for low approval ratings. So, you keep dismissing people who point out facts like these as “haters”.
Everything I just listed is a proven fact, not an opinion, so what is the basis for your devotion to this creature? It surely can’t be the condition of this country when he finally left the White House: the economy was in shambles; unemployment was above 10%; COVID was out of control, schools were closed to in-person learning, businesses were in distress mode and many didn’t survive, consumer demand was down, travel was restricted, and he had made no effort to plan for the logistics to distribute the COVID vaccine. He drew down troops in Afghanistan from 14,000 to 2,500 and released 5,000 Taliban prisoners without even involving the Afghan government in negotiations, so they just gave up. This is the mess handed to Biden. Compare that with the country that was handed to Trump–booming economy, healthy population, unemployment very low, things were looking good. Then, along comes the narcissist.
What is the “idea of him” you are referring to? A non-patriot liar who wanted the office solely for the attention, adulation and power and who messed up so dramatically that his lies cost 130,000 Americans to die unnecessarily due to COVID, who killed a successful economy, resulting in the worse recession since the Great Depression; someone who instigated an insurrection resulting in deaths because his ego couldn’t handle the fact that the American people never wanted him in the first place and voted him out of office, so he lied about a “landslide victory” being stolen, and his devotees believe him? The “idea of him” continuing to have support of substantial numbers of Americans is, indeed, something I can’t stand or even understand. How many lies, how many deaths and how much failure does it take to shake your faith in this creature?
You had better read your history again. You are wrong. As for Trump, your opinion is as valid or bad as any other.
The point you keep on missing is that the things I listed above are FACTS, not opinions. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Natacha, it IS possible to understand 1) that Trump was a peristaltic moment in American politics — necessary, but exactly what peristalsis invariably produces –and 2) that most of the major media outlets in this nation can’t tell $#!+ from Shinola. There is absolutely no doubt at this point that the media got it wrong, because they WANTED to believe people like Schiff. Mueller report started it; IG report confirmed it; Durham is showing how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Open your mind, and recognize that there are a metric ton of people in this nation who were just exhausted by Trump’s excesses, but who also recognize that what the Dems and media did to him were deeply unethical and, in some cases, illegal.
Not to put too fine a point on things, but Republicans typically don’t invent tactics like these. They do, however, typically adopt similar tactics after they’ve been burned enough times.
I suspect that you REALLY won’t like the results of THAT. And God save the Republic.
The point you keep missing is that the Steele Dossier has nothing to do with the Mueller investgation. Read the Mueller Report. Fox/Turley can harp all day long about the Steele Dossier being wrong, to which I say: “so what”? It has nothing to do with Russia helping Trump cheat to get into the White House.
Natacha, you keep insisting that the Mueller Report had “Nothing to do with the Steele Dossier.” You’re incorrect on this. Though Mueller himself really didn’t have any knowledge of it – an embarrassing lack of personal knowledge of it, as it turns out – the investigation was whomped up in order to determine whether there was any collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. The Steele Dossier, coupled with (being charitable here) incompetence at the FBI and leaks to the news media, was what created the suggestion of the Russian collusion in the first place. Sorry, but your insistence on the Steele dossier having nothing to do with Mueller is either naive or disingenuous.
Arthur says:
“Durham is showing how deep the rabbit hole goes.”
Let’s see, how shall I put this? Oh, here we go. See if this rings a bell?
The Durham investigation is a WITCH-HUNT!
Get it? Deny it!
Actually, I have no clue what you’re even trying to say here.
What I’m saying is that the Durham investigation is a sham built upon the hoax that the FBI is part of the Deep State.The criminal indictments to date are mere process crimes, and the defendants were obviously entrapped by Durham’s thugs.
People are saying it is a witch-hunt.
Have I made myself clear now?
Yes, thank you. I appreciate the clarification.
And all I can suggest is that you watch and wait.
The Steele Dossier was NOT the instigating event that started the Mueller investigation.
Provide the link
Read the Mueller Report.
Quiet man says:
“As for the media lying, trust them at your peril now.”
I agree that you can’t trust the media. I take it that you DON’T believe Fox’s narrative that the election stolen by the Democrats on account of massive fraud?
Speak up so that we can all hear you.
Natacha, please stop. You do not, and never will, speak for “we”. Spewing out partisan venom in the name of “we” is one of the MSNBC/CNN/far left indoctrination techniques. The majority of the American people do NOT agree with the drivel you put out every day, parrotting the lies you heard on MSNBC.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Natacha,
I am glad that you enjoyed my response. I thought that it was a good opportunity to point out the utter hypocrisy of you accusing Karen of ‘spewing out partisan venom’ at the beginning of a very lengthy rant where you do nothing but…spew out debunked partisan venom.
It has become apparent that you suffer from both TDS and KDS.
Have a great day!
Hey Ray,
You need help with your BDS, HDS and NDS. Count ‘em! 3 derangements; Natacha only “suffers” from 2!
Jeff,
Is that the best that you have? I have never commented on Biden or Hillary and I only have only once, rightfully so, commented on Natacha’s proclivity to attack Karen. So yes, she suffers from both TDS and KDS.
You, on the other hand, clearly suffer from both TDS, in the original sense, and the other TDS, “Turley Derangement Syndrome”. And, of course, you are generally full of schiff.
Karen, This whole podcast is amazing. Listen starting at 4:30 minutes. It is a clip from the C-SPAN archives from 2007. The person speaking is Joe Biden, candidate for president. These are his thoughts on leaving a war zone quickly and leaving behind equipment and his views on the southern border. Joe Biden 2007 sounds a lot like Donald Trump 2016. As the saying goes, “Creed always determines conduct.” It is apparent that this individual has no creed other than saying what needs to be said to stay in office.
https://justthenews.com/podcasts/john-solomon-reports/kash-patel-recent-durham-indictment-shows-steeles-number-one-source
Karen says:
“There are still people who believe the dossier is true.”
And there are still people who believe that the election was stolen.
I have asked you repeatedly whether you believe it. I am still waiting for your reply….
His own mouth brands Schiff as not only being without shame but also being without morals. How long will his constituents continue voting him into office. Perhaps his constituents look in the mirror and see Adam Schiff. Have they no shame?!!!
There is no dealing with the left. Truth is meaningless to them. Schiff is a liar, but listen to what CNN reports elsewhere.
“Karen Bass: The Men Killed by Rittenhouse Akin to Civil Rights Workers
Representative Karen Bass (D-CA) said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union” that the two white men killed by Kyle Rittenhouse during a protest were like white Civil Rights activists killed in the 1960s.”
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/11/14/karen-bass-the-men-killed-by-rittenhouse-akin-to-civil-rights-workers/
S Meyer:
We currently do not have an effective defense against far Left propaganda. Most of the media has become Pravda.
The truth is no defense against the juggernaut of false propaganda. People still think Michael Brown had his hands up, Trayvon Marton was attacked while eating Skittles, Trump was a Russian asset, and that Kyle Rittenhouse was an aggressive white supremacist mowing down black people peacefully protesting.
The truth is none of that, but it doesn’t matter.
The goal is not to report the truth, but rather shape public opinion, and the mainstream media is very, very good at that.
Karen, we keep saying the same things, and they are true. However, the louder voice of academics, the news media and Hollywood continuously lie but are believed. Should we think things will change if we continue to act in the same fashion as we have done in the past?
Karen: “we”, meaning most Americans, do not consent to you trying to speak for us. You want to talk about “propaganda”? What about the Big Lie? What is that other than propaganda? Where is the proof? We, the American people, have waited for over a year for evidence that Trump’s “landslide” was stolen from him. Where is the proof? The media that refuse to speak out and expose the Big Lie and its implications for America and American politics are the ones engaging in propaganda. I include Turley in this category because he works for Fox. He actually wants to use Joe McCarthy’s line about “have you no decency” against Adam Schiff, when he refuses to address the fact that a malignant narcissist lost an election, proven by multiple recounts and dozens of lost lawsuits, not only began lying about losing a “landslide”, but even mounted an insurrection based on the lie. Turley is part of the problem, and he has a massive amount of gall complaining about mendacity when he ignores the biggest liar in American political history and his enablers, which include his employer.
And, Karen, the truth is your hero lost the election, not because of media, not because of Democrats manipulating voting, not because Italy somehow sent some beam across the Atlantic to magically change the tallies on voting machines, but because the majority of the American people never wanted him in the first place, never approved of him in 4 years’ time, and wanted him gone. Trump was a huge failure–he turned a booming economy into a catastrophe, second only to the Great Depression in terms of economic loss and unemployment. 130,000 Americans needlessly died because he chose to lie about and downplay the risk of COVID and because he has no leadership skills, and was never motivated by altruism or patriotism to do use the office he cheated to get to do good for America. His life is devoted to self-promotion, and COVID made him look bad, so he had to hide the truth and lie about the dangers, which cost lives. You speak of “shaping public opinion” by lying. That’s what Fox News, Breitbart, News Max, OAN and other alt-right media do. That’s what they exist for.
Natacha,
That quite a trolling diatribe you posted Natacha. It’s pretty clear to me that your anti-Trump hate has eaten a good portion of your brain and Donald Trump is living in that void free of rent.
Delusion noun an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument.
Testing for Acute Propaganda-Induced Anti-Trump Hysteria Syndrome
I can’t hardly wait to see what you write about me, give it your best shot.
Have a nice day.
Everything I listed is a proven fact, not an opinion. You have no facts to back up the Big Lie or to refute the fact that Trump cheated to get into office, his utter incompetence in handling COVID, the trash-fire he left of our economy or the opinion of Dr. Deborah Birx that Trump’s lying and downplaying COVID alone cost 130,000 American lives. There is nothing hysterical about pointing out the truth about this person or in expressing amazement at how he constantly lies but people like you still believe the lies, despite the massive amount of evidence that proves they are false. Fox hosts came up with the cutesy way to simply dismiss valid criticism of Trump by dreaming up the phrase “Trump Derangement Syndrome”, but from my perspective, the only deranged people are those who refuse to accept the truth about this person and continue to believe his lies.
Natacha, now tell me how you really feel!
Karen S wrote, “The goal is not to report the truth, but rather shape public opinion, and the mainstream media is very, very good at that.”
“The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” Malcolm X
Propaganda Is Destroying Trust In The Fourth Estate and Wreaking Havoc On Society
As long as people like this person (biting my lip not to curse) do not suffer any consequences for his actions, and liars like like the current AG (See parents investigated as domestic terrorists), and prosecutors like the ones after Rittenhouse, people like me will continue to look at government today as one giant RICO. The FBI is now the Stasi. Thank God I live in Florida.
Lopez says:
“Thank God I live in Florida.”
You might want to pray for better football teams while you are at it.
Please explain to me how Schiff and his “I have concrete proof…” is any different than Joe McCarthy’s “I have a list of names….”
See today’s nominee for comptroller as the most recent example.
That’s exactly what the article said. Did you read it?
Despite the fact I have misgivings about McCarthy, we should remember:
1) He was right.
2) The FBI list of names was much longer.
3) The Venona Project released in a later time period.
HullBobby asks:
“Please explain to me how Schiff and his “I have concrete proof…” is any different than Joe McCarthy’s “I have a list of names….”
Or King’s “I have a dream….”
I’m still waiting for all of the “ample evidence” Schiff said he has on Trump colluding with Russia…
Jon, I hope you’re starting to see the light but somehow I doubt it. Although not every Democrat is a corrupt liar, most are and Schiff is just one more classic example. Corruption and deceit are part and parcel of politicians on both sides but Democrats have a history of deceit in modern politics. We have a class of modern politicians who took Chairman Mao’s proclamations to heart, one of which is a lie is not a lie when it’s used for political purposes (to paraphrase.) With certain exceptions, the Democratic party is made up of dupers and the duped. Of course, the world is ruled by Satan anyway and they’re just following his lead.
Not every Democrat is a liar….uh…yes they are if they support the Democrat Party and its lunatic agenda.
They are lying to themselves which is the greatest Sin on Earth.
The Leftist Agenda is going to destroy this Nation unless it is utterly defeated and shown to be nothing but a pack of lies.
You cannot lie your way to the Truth.
Ralph baby says:
“They [Leftists] are lying to themselves which is the greatest Sin on Earth.”
You DO believe that the election was stolen by the Democrats by virtue of massive voter fraud, right?
Just for the record. You will answer.
Schiff is an ideological propagandist worthy of Hitler’s Germany, Stalin’s Russia and Mao’s China. It is easy to imagine him fitting comfortably into any one of those regimes, and promoting self-righteous smear campaigns and show trials against his political opponents.
That having been said, the real drivers of the collusion hoax were the Clinton campaign and senior leadership of the FBI, DOJ and special counsel’s office, and possibly CIA, all supported initially by Obama/Biden. Unless and until they are held to account, through prosecution if they broke the law or through a complete and thorough report documenting their gross misconduct if they did not, justice will not have been served.
Daniel, The FBI equals incompetence and corruption and it is nothing new.
Hoover on MLK (and… and… and…) Ruby Ridge. Whitey Bulger. The security guard at the Atlanta Olympics. And on and on and on. In this case there’s the Alfa Bank baloney and the Aussie Diplomat baloney as well as the Hillary Dossier (they were all separate parts of the Russian hoax and should not be lumped together as the Professor has done….) and there is surely more to come)
If you are standing beside an FBI agent exactly at dawn on Nauset beach on Cape Cod (the furthest east point on the arm) on 3/21 of any given year and the FBI agent asks you what direction is east… take the fifth
Dennis Byron, I like your Cape Cod reference. The most recent examples of DOJ/FBI misconduct are the Project Veritas raids and the counterterrorism operation against parents, which is in its preparatory stage. Wray has emerged as one of Trump’s worst appointments, and Merrick Garland has revealed himself to be a political hack, despite a strong judicial reputation. He will end up as discredited as Mueller.
In my opinion; House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff, D-Calif. is a morally bankrupt political hack and a liar, I don’t trust anything that comes out of his mouth as being the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth, nothing.
Basically a putz capo in the Democratic Party trying to avoid being primaried and hold onto office. A feckless nebbish with merrick Garland who have lost any sense of decency and integrity
Tiber calls Schiff a “putz” and “nebbish.” Two Yiddish slurs to underscore the fact that Schiff is a Jew as if his Judaism has something to do with this.
Do you suppose any Trumpist here will denounce this anti-semitism?
Yeah, right.
What irritates me is the entire thing was bad from the start and they still pushed it. How this does not hurt a President is beyond my understanding regardless of whether it is a Republican or Democrat. This might have been the first, but I bet it will not be the last. From day one it was about impeachment and a hoax document was used. While I am not a big fan of President Trump, this was wrong. I can only hope that the truth prevails and all involved pay their dues. Congressman Schiff doubles down when others admit to the mistake. I expect this one to bite him back. He had better not hope they can tie him fire to this or he may find himself facing removal.
I agree with the Quiet Man. Trump may be the most unsympathetic of victims ever but this was serious corruption across many in our government. That is the takeaway not Trump’s personality.
Schiff is a politician – that’s a much shorter version of the article…
Schiff is a politician. His lips were moving.
– The End
Senator Reid provided one of the Democrat templates for wicked and shameless lies about Romney’s taxes.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/15/harry-reid-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes-hes-still-not-sorry
When they say “By Any Means Necessary” they mean it. That is one reason it is difficult to believe their increasingly ridiculous claims that the election wasn’t stolen. They lie by default.
Meanwhile, weak Republicans still believe they are opposed to Democrats and they haven’t tumbled to the fact that many across the aisle are actually Bolsheviks for whom morality is only an annoying impediment to winning. Although, come to think on it, many Democrats aren’t even pretending to morality these days.
What a cool move. After saying that Trump was falsely accused, Turkey continues the canard about McCarthy. The person named by McCarthy when the ” have you no shame comment” made by the reporter was a communist. There is a $50,000 reward if anyone can show that McCarthy falsely named a communist or Communist sympathizer. Now we have self acknowledged communists in the media,the congress,Brennan voted for a communist for president and Comey said that he was once a communist but didn’t know what to call himself.
John, “Blacklisted by History” is a pretty good account of Senator McCarthy. If anything, McCarthy seems to have underestimated the problem.
Was Schiff complicit in the Russia collusion story? If there is evidence of it, we can be assured Durham has it.