Below is my column in the Hill on the government and media campaign against the Canadian truckers. The Canadian government has now cleared the Ambassador Bridge. However, there was lasting damage done to the rights of free speech and association after an alliance of the government, corporations, and the media sought to isolate the protesters politically and financially. The most disturbing element was the freezing of donations by companies and the courts. Most recently, the TD Bank joined in blocking support from thousands of citizens. The organized effort to cut off access to donations is alarming, particularly in conjunction with efforts to curtail social media and other informational avenues for the protesters.
Here is the column:
Canada appears to be facing its greatest threat since Benedict Arnold came close to seizing Ottawa in 1775. The source of this “insurrection” and “attack on democracy,” however, is not a foreign government but Canadians who have descended on their own capital to protest continuing COVID-19 mandates.
The protest has been peaceful — and highly successful in cutting off key highways. But the most alarming development has not come from the convoy but from the commentary about it, including calls for mass arrests and even vigilantism. The Ottawa Police Services Board chairman has called it a “nationwide insurrection,” adding, “Our city is under siege.”
CNN analyst and Harvard professor Juliette Kayyem was apoplectic at the thought of truckers shutting down roads and interfering with trade. She tweeted out a call to “slash the tires, empty gas tanks, arrest the drivers, and move the trucks.” CNN correspondent Paula Newton said this act of civil disobedience was nothing less than a “threat to democracy. An insurrection, sedition.”
Blocking streets, occupying buildings and shutting down bridges have long been tactics of protesters. Yet what constitutes a protest or an insurrection often seems to depend on the cause involved. When rioters caused billions of dollars in damages, burned police stations and occupied sections of American cities in the summer of 2020, for example, few in the media declared them to be terrorists or a threat to democracy. But CNN’s Kayyem once called conservative protesters occupying a state capital “domestic terrorists.” GoFundMe, which previously helped in the funding of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) protesters, froze more than $10 million raised for Canadian truckers to prevent it from being used to support them.
After the money was frozen by GoFundMe, supporters switched to GiveSendGo to “adopt a trucker.” The Canadian government then moved successfully to freeze millions of donations to the truckers, and the Supreme Court of Canada approved the freeze in a major blow to free speech and associational rights in Canada.
In the meantime, the government has demonized the convoy. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who praised truckers just two years ago as heroes, has denounced them as “trying to blockade our economy, our democracy.”
This is the same Trudeau who praised BLM protesters and stressed that “I have attended protests and rallies in the past when I agreed with the goals, when I supported the people expressing their concerns and their issues, Black Lives Matter is an excellent example of that.”
Protesters are routinely arrested for blocking roads, of course, and Canada certainly can enforce its public safety laws. But government responses, in the U.S. and now in Canada, seem heavily dependent on protesters’ viewpoints — just as much of the media coverage of Canada’s trucker movement could not contrast more strikingly with how protests across the U.S. in 2020 were often reported. Back then, many of these same journalists praised the civil disobedience legacy of the late congressman and civil rights icon John Lewis, who charged the next generation to go out and make “good trouble.”
In cities such as Washington, D.C., police allowed BLM protesters to take over streets and stood by as some protesters toppled historic statues. When House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) was asked about the destruction, she shrugged and said, “People will do what they will do.” In Seattle, the seizing of a police station and the occupation of an entire section of the city was tolerated by the Democratic mayor, who likened it to a “summer of love.” And when BLM protesters flouted COVID-19 mandates, health experts lined up to declare they should be exempted from pandemic rules because racism is a health crisis too.
What is most concerning now is the unwillingness to consider Canadian truckers as anything other than knuckle-dragging, racist insurrectionists. Like so much in our age of rage, our political opponents cannot be anything but caricatures or cutouts, because reason no longer has a place in our national discourse. Yet it is precisely the isolation of dissenting voices and groups that leads to such acts of disruption and disobedience.
Canada’s truckers obviously feel marginalized and dismissed by their government. That feeling was magnified when Trudeau fled to a secure location and refused to meet with them. Officials then threatened anyone giving aid or gas to the truckers.
There is a worldwide movement against COVID-19 mandates and rising complaints over the censorship of those with opposing views of these policies. Many of those objections are now being treated as mainstream questions, from the efficacy of masks to the value of lockdowns, from the origins of the virus to the protection of natural antibodies.
Once again, an alliance of government, social media companies and the mainstream media is fueling public divisions, even as such condemnation of the truckers appears to be having less and less impact. Rage gives a license to treat opposing views as unworthy of expression or tolerance. But people who feel marginalized tend to get mad and find their own outlets for speech.
I believe the truckers are wrong to continue the blockade unless the government yields to their demands. But the government also is wrong in how it has dismissed the truckers and cracked down on fundraising and other support for the movement.
The freezing of funds supporting the truckers laid bare the anti-free speech trend sweeping across the world, including in the U.S. There is no principled basis for cutting off the ability of citizens to support other citizens in a campaign of civil disobedience. Although ignored by most in the media, the same claim used by the Trudeau government today could have been used to freeze support for the civil rights era’s freedom marchers or for BLM protesters in 2020.
Ottawa is not under siege; the roads can be cleared. However, our politics and media have become bunkered and blockaded. Free speech is being curtailed through government actions, including the freezing of these funds, or through corporate censorship now embraced by the left. And lost in all this is an outlet for our political tensions and channels for dialogue.
Acts of civil disobedience like these will remain part of political movements. However, if we want to reduce the impulse to take to the highways to protest, then we need to open up the information superhighway for full political expression and dissent.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates on Twitter @JonathanTurley.
If you were starving, you wouldn’t want a church to refuse to give you a can of beans just because you weren’t a member of that church. “Sorry, we can’t help you with your imminent starvation. You’re not a member of our church. You’re on your own.” What the hell kind of church would that be?
What’s the point in bringing awareness to historical atrocities (Holocaust, Holodomor, Comfort Women, etc) with museums and high-school history classes if we are just
going to sit back and let another atrocity happen without doing anything to stop it?
The elites have hijacked “leftism” to keep and expand their power.
Dennis says
“Jonathan: It was predictable. Fox has been beating the drums in support of the Canadian trucker protests. So this is your dutiful follow up.”
If you search Turley’s archive from years ago, you will find that he often invited guests to post opinions contrary to his. I don’t believe he has done so for several years. It could be that no one is volunteering to contribute an alternative viewpoint on this blog. After all, anyone who reads the general tone of the commentary here immediately recognizes that it is surfeit of Trumpist rage. It is a waste of time to try to reason with rage. Be that as it may, it is rather curious that there are no longer guest editorials. Kinda ironic on a free speech blog!
Giocon1 says:
“Apparently there are no longer “conservatives,” just fascists. The language is getting out of hand, and the media is the one lowering the bar.”
I never use the word “fascist” to describe Trumpists. I use “Trumpist” as a shorthand for “Trump followers.” No slight intended. However, I do often add the gerund “lying” to those Trumpists who believe the election was stolen.
I’m glad you added that the “media is the one lowering the bar” without excluding Fox News, Newsmax, OAN and Infowars.
Conservatives Stoke Protests..
Costly To Not Just Canada,
But To Auto Industry
The so-called “Freedom Convoy” created a blockade of key bridges and crossings between the U.S. and Canada, including the Ambassador Bridge. The bridge is North America’s busiest trade link connecting Detroit to Windsor and a vital artery for the auto industry. About 25% of the trade between the U.S. and Canada crosses this particular bridge—about $360 million in cargo daily, according to Reuters. The seven-day blockage, therefore, had wide-ranging consequences.
The auto industry alone is facing losses as high as $988 million because of the blockades, given that there’s an estimated $141.1 million worth of vehicles and auto parts flowing in and out daily, according to 2021 data from IHS Markit, a research firm. Yet while the Ambassador Bridge has reopened, traffic still remains choked in Ottawa and border crossings in Emerson, Manitoba, and Coutts continue to face disruptions thanks to the protests.
Costs for increased daily policing in Canada’s capital have hit $800,000 a day and Ottawa officials tell Global News that the city has spent an additional $1 million in city services due to the protests. On average, the city spends about $620,000 a year on safety and police expenses. And those expenses will likely be ongoing until the protests disappear.
More than half of Canadians, 53%, oppose the protests and 59% disapprove of the truckers’ tactics—and that disapproval has trended higher as the protests have continued, according to polling from Innovative Research Group.
Edited From:
https://fortune.com/2022/02/14/freedom-convoy-protest-cost-us-canada/
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Rightwing agitators like Johnathan Turley are generous with other people’s money. ‘Who cares if these protests drain the city treasury of Ottawa?’ Turley lives in McLean Virginia, the protests aren’t costing ‘his’ community. No truck horns are blaring there throughout the night.
And Turley doesn’t care if blockades cost the auto industry a billion or more. It’s not ‘his’ money! This is what conservatives have come to: ‘Mindless agitators stirring chaos for the sake of chaos’. Creating a huge distraction as Russia threatens a major war in Europe.
But you see, ‘Ottawa has to pay for the leftists protests in Seattle back in 2020. Which makes no sense, of course. But since the rise of Donald Trump, conservatives such as Turley don’t have to make any sense. Ridiculous What About’s can substitute for logic.
Someone who recovered from Covid has immunity equal to or greater than someone vaccinated. Many essential workers got that immunity because they put their lives at risk, working during the earliest waves of the pandemic. This was before there was a vaccine, or treatments like Remdesivir or monoclonal antibodies. They worked, got sick, and then they came home and got their families sick. They were hailed as heroes. Oh, how quickly things changed.
Now, those “heroes” are villains if they don’t get vaccinated, even though they already got immunity. They will be fired and impoverished. They might never work again in their chosen field. The full power of the government, and many employers, is crushing them.
This is abuse. You don’t ask someone to risk their life, and then turn around and fire them if they don’t accept a medical procedure they don’t want.
It’s also not scientifically accurate, as these people have immunity.
One of my relatives is a nurse. She got Covid during the first wave. Her kidneys shut down. She had severe symptoms. And yet, so many nurses were out sick, that as soon as she was able to stagger to her feet, still contagious, her hospital demanded she come back to work. She got vaccinated, and boosted. Yet she STILL got one of the newer variants of Covid a couple of months ago. Because nurses had been fired for not getting vaccinated, and most of the remaining vaccinated nurses got Covid again, the hospital once again asked everyone to come to work sick and contagious.
Vaccinated nurses still got Covid. And YET, none of them could get an exemption, or even a delay, even if they were pregnant.
Vaccine mandates have led to the resignation, quitting, and early retirement of fire fighters, police, military, nurses, doctors, truckers, and manufacturing staff. Shocking no one who was paying attention, this has led to supply chain issues, long wait times in ER, and a thinning of emergency response personnel.
The Biden Administration has bungled this.
“Someone who recovered from Covid has immunity equal to or greater than someone vaccinated. ”
You say this a lot, but it isn’t consistently true (it depends on additional factors, such as how recently the person was infected), and someone who has recovered and then gets vaccinated has greater protection than someone who has only recovered.
Anonymous:
The vaccine mimics the disease, by exposing the body to the spike protein of wild type SARS-CoV-2. The point of a vaccine is to generate immunity while sparing the patient from the risks of the actual disease.
When someone recovers from Covid, their immune system was exposed to the entire virus. Studies have shown their immune system recognizes up to 56 additional binding sites, other than the spike protein.
The immune system of the vaccinated will only recognize the spike protein. As SARS-CoV-2 replicates, it generates errors, until they accumulate in new variants. When the spike protein differed enough from wild type, the vaccine became less effective. This is when the vaccinated began to get sick and transmit the virus to others. Variants began to differ enough that naturally acquired immunity failed to recognize it. That’s when those who already recovered from Covid began to get sick.
Public policy does not recognize naturally acquired immunity. In Europe, recovery from Covid is an acceptable alternative to vaccination.
I agree with you in that someone who recovered from Omicron would be immune to Omicron, whereas someone who got the wild type, or one of the earlier variants, would not be.
A Covid test is the only way to tell if someone is contagious. Not a vaccination passport. Not even a recovery pass, as they have in Europe.
The argument that forcing employees to vaccinate stops the spread, or protects other employees, customers, or patients, is absolutely false. Note that hospitals fired nurses who were not vaccinated, yet their vaccinated staff got sick anyway. When they became short handed, they bade those contagious, infected staff to work while still sick. Even then, there are long wait times at the ER, due to those mistaken policy. For example, in my area, the wait time in the ER is 15 hours. There are empty beds, but not enough staff to run the hospital. People die, or their reason for going to the ER exacerbates. Thus, the vaccine mandate in hospitals proved deadly, and injurious to patients.
Karen, even Estovir told you “The jury is still out on this issue.” Yet you continue to insist that you’re correct.
You also entirely ignore that someone who has recovered and then gets vaccinated has greater protection than someone who has only recovered but is unvaccinated, per studies of those two populations.
I have no interest in discussing all of the new stuff you just introduced, when you won’t even deal with the above.
Anonymous:
Don’t twist Estovir’s comment.
What he said, “The more important immune metric is never discussed: memory T cells. No one is able to make a verdict because memory T cells have not been tracked because they it require long term surveillance. There is limited data but all positive.…Vaccines prime the immune system based on the epitope presented. However natural immunity primes the immune system based on actual virions that infect the host. Natural infection is better than vaccines in most infections that are not 100% lethal like Ebola.”
The only way to know how long immune memory lasts, for either vaccine-induced or naturally acquired immunity, is long term studies. I can’t say if immunity from Covid will last for 5 years, because it would take a 5 year cohort study to determine. In addition, as each new variant arises, natural selection will only allow those that can slip past any immunity the ability to replicate. Therefore, there is evolutionary pressure on SARS-CoV-2 to alter enough to evade immunity. Researchers will spend years studying vaccine memory of vaccinated and naturally-acquired immunity, as well as those who were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms. However, current studies have shown naturally acquired immunity is, so far, superior to vaccine induced. Older studies on circulating antibodies thought protection waned faster in those who recovered.
Why do I keep saying that naturally-acquired immunity is greater than or equal than someone vaccinated? Because that is my opinion based on the research we have so far, and it is also why Europe allows a Covid-Recovery pass to qualify the same as a vaccine passport. As Estovir mentioned, there are studies that incorrectly gauge immunity, failing to take into account the humoral immune memory.
If Covid continues to produce mild variants, then those will act as their own low-risk boosters. That can prove life saving if a future variant reverses trend and becomes more virulent.
IF a new vaccine comes out for a future variant, THEN that could theoretically provide more protection against future variants than naturally acquired immunity solely of the wild type at the beginning of the pandemic. But that hypothetical new vaccine is not out.
Because the vaccine only exposes the patient to the spike protein of the original, wild type virus. Your immune system will recognize nothing else. Meanwhile, if you get Covid and recover, your immune system will recognize more binding sites than those found on the Spike protein (S protein). In addition, the vaccine was for wild type. Way back to patient 0, or rather, since he disappeared, early cohorts. The virus has evolved many variants.
The immune system of someone who recovered from Omicron, like Estovir, will now recognize the Omicron S protein, as well as additional binding sites.
Getting a titer of circulating antibodies is not an effective measure of immunity, because it does not take into account immune memory. That lies in the very marrow of our bones.
Someone who recovered from Covid has immunity equal to or greater than someone vaccinated.
The jury is still out on this issue. While the CDC and the Democrats have focused on antibodies, these are self-limiting. The more important immune metric is never discussed: memory T cells. No one is able to make a verdict because memory T cells have not been tracked because they it require long term surveillance. There is limited data but all positive.
See:
Chemaitelly H, Bertollini R, Abu-Raddad LJ; National Study Group for COVID-19 Epidemiology. Efficacy of natural immunity against SARS-CoV-2 reinfection with the beta variant. N Engl J Med 2021;385:2585-6.
Abu-Raddad LJ, Chemaitelly H, Ayoub HH, et al. Introduction and expansion of the SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 variant and reinfections in Qatar: a nationally representative cohort study. PLoSMed 2021; 18(12): e1003879.
Vaccines prime the immune system based on the epitope presented. However natural immunity primes the immune system based on actual virions that infect the host. Natural infection is better than vaccines in most infections that are not 100% lethal like Ebola. I was vaccinated twice with Pfizer in early 2021, and had a confirmed nucleic acid test mid Jan 2022. My infection was due to Omicron epitopes which primed my immune system accordingly. I was delighted since it was far greater reliable than what any presently available vaccine (alpha, beta, delta variants) could have done. I had mild systems very similar to flu except I also had Anosmia and Ageusia. My sense of smell and taste returned somewhat though I now have Dysgeusia (distorted taste). Splenda (sucralose) is a sugar substitute I have used for decades. It now tastes very bitter, so I switched to sugar, which is also bitter but less. Im thrilled I got Omicron. It was no big deal, requiring no prescription medications or hospital admission, as I predicted. OTC meds were more than sufficient.
Forward and onward.
Estotvir,
Are you saying you had some of T cells, like T53s & some of your immune system left?
Oky1, I dont understand your question. I just stated I had mild COVID which means my T cells launched a very effective response. I am healthy and fit as a horse. I dont even take a statin.
Do yourself a favor and review this helpful tutorial on basic immunology. I challenged Prairie Rose in the past with this tutorial so perhaps you two can discuss it. It is based on the classic immunology text for graduate students, medical students and honors students in immunology called simply “Janeways Immunobiology”
https://my.rocketmix.com/coursedetails.aspx?cid=3128&guest=1
Immunology is super complicated which is why answers are fluid and evolving on COVID
Estorvir,
Question: Are you say your is the same just like your mom gave, Better the Before, Cut by 30, 60 % or worst? Report’s Im hearing many peoples immune systems post shots are worst.
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Immunology is super complicated no doubt…….. Yes, not my expertise, but I’m sharper on the subject then 2yrs ago.
Look, many of us are just attempt to avoid all their G Damn (illegally Gain of Bio-Weapons like CV19 & the so called mRNA Vaxxes.) Scientist told the world & I that of over 2 years ago. (Dr Francis Boyle, India’s big health outfit, Lancet & one or mores others)
Just think of all that Crop Land in the Mid West the US Govt/Pharma were testing things in the 50’s,60’s,70’s, likely still, like Corn&Corn Pollen to spread diseases like HIV in the pollen.
( Friend of mine, his brother here tended many of those type fields. Looks like Fauci’s handlers had him run with the HIV component in at least some the CV19 mRNA instead. To what extent, currently unknown.
Basically 4 billion people are said to be shot up with that crap, they’re now the Human Guinea Pig test subjects, myself & others & I are now like the Amish un- mRNA shot. There are reports of Shedding by those that took the shot. We don’t know for sure but the numbers are all ready to high to hide from the public.
In those sick Globalist mind this is the main attempt at genocide of all on the planet except 500 million slaves, ( Georgia Guide Stones, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates the Global Economic Forum, their words)
Those aholes continue to be caught screwing around with the scientific data. (Tags: DOD health info, Sen Ron Johnson’s 2nd Opinion Conference).
So for most of us the common sense way to view these issues is real number of Dead, those that other issues like Permanent Heart Damage, on going Brain Fog, had to have one or more legs/arms cut off etc.
There are Happa(sic) laws, you don’t need to say anything.
Dr Yeadon, clearly at the peak of the field post a list of the bad batches I posted for. I’ve do it somewhere… Find My Batch.Com???
I’m sure I’ll see the typos after I post, sorry.
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But this video below is of the head of Pfizer.
You can skip the Ad after 6 seconds, he’s comments are at the bottom that last about 30 seconds where he admits they cooked CV19 up in the lab & then made their mRNA bug juice shots from it.
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Oky:
I think your mentioning HIV in corn pollen was based on a doctoral thesis where it was proposed to genetically engineer corn to produce microbicides with some protective benefit against HIV infection. This GMO crop would be deployed in hotbed regions of the HIV epidemic.
HIV infection should have been stopped decades ago. If people practiced monogamy, or safe sex, and did not share needles, and did not donate blood if they engaged in high risk behavior, then HIV should have gone extinct.
Tragically, there are many reasons why people would not follow these rules. In some parts of the world, sex with a virgin was believed to cure diseases like HIV, with tragic consequences. People who would not practice monogamy, and either lacked access to prophylactics, or wouldn’t use them, fuel the spread. Men would take risks, and then go home and sleep with their faithful wife(wives). Who would get it and transmit to their children during pregnancy, if they did not get immediate medical care.
Here is the doctoral dissertation on HIV microbicides in corn that you are probably referring to:
https://www.tesisenred.net/bitstream/handle/10803/127189/Tmsg1de1.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y
OR
You could have been thinking of corn contaminated with a fungus that weakens the immune system, thus facilitating the risk of HIV transmission among those who engage in risky behaviors. It’s the fumonisin toxins (produced by the fungus), that was linked to higher rates of esophageal cancer and HIV in Sub Saharan Africa.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fungus-hiv/fungus-tainted-corn-a-factor-in-africa-hiv-spread-idUSTRE65848I20100609
Actual HIV was present in neither of those circumstances. In the former, GMO corn was considered that would produce microbicides that would increase resistance to diseases like HIV. IN the former, a toxin produced by a fungus theoretically weakens the immune system, making someone more susceptible to HIV infection.
It’s the risky behavior, or that of their partner, that exposes someone to HIV. Not the corn itself.
“Im thrilled I got Omicron. ”
Estovir, with all your excellent explanations, I don’t think those ideologues will ever understand that we depend on our immune system to fight for our lives. The rest of the stuff only provides us time. The vaccine might provide antibodies that fade, but I don’t think they will ever provide the long-term immunity of natural infection of the whole virus (which doesn’t do it either). We depend on a spike protein to provide the fit that blocks a virus that quickly mutates. We need to focus more on anti-virals and anything that buys us time for the immune system to kick in.
It is complicated. I am sorry for that but it is a scientific discipline worth learning well for reasons you stated. A humorous yet scientific viewpoint on the complexity of monocytes, dendritic cells and macrophages (part of the innate immune system) can be found in the following article. Although dense, the authors succeed in conveying the complexity of the topic. IOW, the CDC and MSM have done a huge disservice to Americans and to science in their facile approach to COVID. Their’s was a missed opportunity to educate people instead of divide and conquer. Note, vaccines provide long term, memory T cell immunity on top of waning antibody/humoral immunity.
Read. Study. Make the time to learn. Then teach others.
In the science fiction series created by Douglas Adams (1), the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy starts as follows: “Space is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly hugely mind-boggling big it is. You may think it’s a long way down the road to the chemist’s, but that’s just peanuts to space.” Given the complexity of the mononuclear phagocyte (Star)system (MPS), one could easily give a similar warning to readers who are trying to make some sense of the huge number of hypothetically distinct dendritic cell (DC) and macrophage (MΦ) subsets…. We will here try to simplify this apparent complexity through a number of practical examples and theoretical concepts. Having hitchhiked from MΦ to DC labs studying myeloid cells in various tissues and in distinct inflammatory conditions, we would, in accordance with the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, advise the following: do not panic and bring your towel along.
Guilliams Martin, van de Laar Liann. A Hitchhiker’s Guide to Myeloid Cell Subsets: Practical Implementation of a Novel Mononuclear Phagocyte Classification System. Frontiers in Immunology, 6 (2015). DOI 10.3389/fimmu.2015.00406
Thank you, Estovir. I do understand T Cells in a reasonable non-scientific way. They are the crucial building block for the long term. My point was that a single spike thwarts the ability to protect against a different variant though similarities might reduce the infection. People have received the vaccines and have had Covid 19 only to get another variant. The artificial creation of antibodies lasts only so long.
That is more than enough information to recognize we need a greater focus on anti-virals or a different, more comprehensive type of vaccine that provides more long term T Cell immunity for variations of the Corona Virus that we haven’t seen. I worry about the bioweapon use of viruses as well. We have constantly been exposed to the Corona Virus, so we know the variations are too significant for any vaccine of today to protect from the multiplicity of variants.
I am glad that your case was mild and that you are well. A healthy body provides both an immune system that can better fight and a body that offers a little extra time to withstand the punishment before the mechanisms of the body kick in.
We won’t find what we need in an environment of repression and inhibition of discussion. That is what we are seeing today. The pundits from the left draw conclusions before looking for the facts. That is why (whether one likes Trump or not) we can see the difference in managing the virus between Trump’s gut instincts and Biden’s total lack of leadership and common sense. Trump rapidly created a vaccine along with some other treatments. Biden was passed the ball with all the advantages but couldn’t keep his eye on it.
Estovir:
First, glad to hear you’re on the mend, and I hope your senses of taste and smell return soon. May I ask if you developed a cough with Omicron? That symptom is less common with this variant.
It has been theorized that Omicron can be viewed as a booster, both to the vaccinated and those who recovered from earlier variants. It allows the immune system to see a different spike protein and learn new binding sites.
There is diminishing return on getting a vaccination that was developed many variants ago. It is my opinion that people should consult with their doctors on what is best for them, without being forced.
I agree that circulating antibodies do not give an accurate portrayal of long term immunity. This is a new, rapidly evolving virus that will be studied for years.
I am greatly concerned about a repeat. One virus allegedly escaped from a lab caused global disruption, including in Western countries, in a very public way. There are bad actors, and their allies, who have BS4 labs.
Here is an article on humoral immune memory, which you have probably already seen:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
Thanks for the well wishes Karen. I’ll be fine. The Nature article makes the same error I mentioned previously. It is bewildering that no one acknowledges the vastly essential job of T cells. B cells synthesize antibodies but Abs neutralize pathogens extracellularly. Once the virus reaches its target cell, and hence penetrates the cell membrane and gets inside the cell, Abs can do nothing intracellularly. The virus at that beyond is beyond the reach of Abs. However, the other branch of the adaptive immune system, T cells, kills those cells that harbor the virus. Abs may not impact the virus intracellularly but T cells are made precisely for viruses intracellularly. To answer Okyl’s question for the second time, because he is not paying attention, T cells are the reason why people who contract COVID recover. T cells do not diminish in number as we age. They undergo clonal expansion. In fact most of our knowledge of immunology is based on experiments in mice. We can not assess the function of the immune system by drawing blood. We have to open the animal, surgically remove their lymph nodes and other tissues, and search for T cells. Clearly this is not an option in humans except post-mortem.
See Figure 2 in this “Cell” article that explains in exquisite detail the role of the adaptive immune system in COVID
Adaptive immunity to SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19
Cell. 2021 Feb 18;184(4):861-880.
doi: 10.1016/j.cell.2021.01.007.
T Cells. T cells. T cells. These are the immune cells that save COVID infected patients. See panel C in Figure 2 in the above free link. Observe that COVID patients who launched an antibody response but not a T cell response succumbed to severe COVID.
T cells. Thats the winning ticket. Not antibodies.
Please access the “Janeway Immunobiology” tutorial link I provided. It is free, informative and will answer most questions re: immunology. Not having a basic grasp of this science puts the work on me to teach / answer questions, and though I enjoy teaching, i expect my audience to do their part as well.
Estovir,
Does Janeway Immunobiology discuss the role of micronutrients such as zinc, magnesium, vitamin D, thiamine and selenium in addressing/defeating intracellular infection?
Yup. Janeway Immunobiology is the bible on this topic.
A new edition of the “Janeway Immunobiology” text is being released this summer, but the present 9th edition suffices for your / our purposes. Cant afford it? Not sure the textbook is for you? You can find any science textbook and download for free on the website “Library Genesis” to explore whether you should get the text. The ebook version is OK IMHO, but Im old school, plus buying the book supports the publisher and provides you with a great resource.
Buy the book and teach your kids about immunology. They have excellent videos too.
Support the publisher and buy the text. You can sample the ebook here
https://libgen.fun/search.php?req=Janeway+immunobiology
The publisher provides videos with the purchase of the text, which are excellent for teaching. My students really enjoyed them. Here are some older ones on Youtube
Thank you!
Estovir,
If Janeway is the bible on this topic, then why did I have a doctor tell me he didn’t believe all that vitamin and mineral malarky? (he was treating a family member for a challenging infection that wasn’t responding very well to most of the antibiotics they tried) The doctor didn’t think my family member had a deficiency that would interfere with his ability to confront the infection. To what degree does Janeway discuss the role of micronutrients in cellular health?
On a side note, a different doctor treating a different familly member who was struggling with a massive infection was thankfully more open to these same concerns, so I recognize that the state of the art of medicine has not reached all doctor’s equally, apparently, or, that they have learned the subject matter equally,
Free will reigns. Medicine is based on the sciences but interpreted as an art. Likewise with all other disciplines. e.g. America is a great idea. How do Americans reflect it? Same principle applies. If the way a physician practices medicine raises red flag, go see another one. but don’t blame the medical sciences. That is the number one reason people are atheists. Their quip, “look at what your Catholic Church has done!”. To which I reply, “look at what you humans did back in prehistoric days!” Its silly really.
“look at what your [religious ideas have] done!”
Now it’s accurate.
You, like the socialists, blame “bad people” or “bad leadership” for the destructiveness of your irrational *ideas*. Those engaged in rationalization focus on people. Those engaged in thinking focus on ideas.
“That is the number one reason people are atheists.”
No. For this atheist, the number one reason is the refusal to accept fantasy as knowledge.
I lack belief in any gods because there’s no evidence that any gods exist. Maybe they exist, maybe they don’t, but if they do, you certainly can’t rely on texts written by people — and first passed along for decades via word of mouth — to capture what those gods think.
All we have is what humans have done and said. Some of those very human actions and words are good, and other of those very human actions and words are harmful.
I agree that your straw man argument is silly. Maybe you should listen to more actual atheists talk about their actual reasons for lack of belief in gods. Maybe you should think harder about your own lack of belief in the vast majority of gods that have been worshiped over the years.
I absolutely agree with you about T cells, which are integral to both antibody-mediated immunity through helper T cells, killer T cells, cellular immunity through T lymphocytes, and memory T cells with IL-7 for long term immunity.
Strong applications for oncology, as well.
Excellent review on T cells. Lots of data but you likely will appreciate the review.
“Human T Cell Development, Localization, and Function throughout Life”
IMMUNITY VOLUME 48, ISSUE 2, P202-213, FEBRUARY 20, 2018
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.immuni.2018.01.007
The truckers were using vehicles to block vital highways between Canada and hte US, all as part of their personal political agenda of trying to reverse vaccine mandates, (after being whipped into believing that they are “victims” by alt-right media) and that’s why they were arrested, not because of the content of their “speech”. I note that your employer, Fox “News”, has urged support for the truckers, as part of their efforts to hamstring the Biden Administration’s efforts to get COVID under control, because the longer it goes on without getting brought under control, the longer it will take to reverse the Trump Recession. Blocking of the highways has resulted in additional supply chain delays, something else Fox knew about, and applauds, as part of their effort to get the fat one re-elected. Just because you have access to a big truck, this does not give you the right to use it to block highways as a means of leverage to try to force the government to give you your way. One report I read said that the truckers were also demanding the resignation of Justin Trudeau. Their conduct has nothing to do with freedom of speech. They are free to speak about anything they want to, but that right doesn’t include any right to block major arteries as a means of leverage.
Turley, in what has sadly become his hysterical pearl-clutching at anything criticized by Fox, says: “lasting damage done to the rights of free speech and association after an alliance of the government, corporations, and the media sought to isolate the protesters politically and financially. The most disturbing element was the freezing of donations by companies and the courts.” The government and corporations were outraged that freedom of commerce was being held hostage. which resulted in temporary lay offs as the supply chain was compromised. So what if donations were cut off by their conduct? They deserve it. What right is there to block major highways that serve as conduits to and from Canada and US for goods and supplies? And, they were given a generous amount of warning to voluntarily disburse. If they get prosecuted criminally, it will be for blocking the highways, not the content of their speech. .
Wow, the truckers are bad. BLM and Antifa good. I get the pattern.
Notice how Democrat politicians are now espousing views that they denounced just a few weeks ago?
Remember when it was “Neanderthal thinking” to want to lift mask mandates?
The polling is in, and Democrats have their thumb in the air.
I am heartily disappointed that Western governments, under far Left rule, have weaponize what should have been arrows in the quiver to fight the pandemic.
N95 and KN95 masks to help control droplet spread. The vaccine, which stopped the wild type, and first few variants, from spreading. Now, the vaccine still seems to offer some protection against serious illness. If a future variant is more virulent, however, then we will need a new vaccine. Staying home if you’re sick. Testing.
All of these were good things, but the Left twisted them to harm entire populations.
There are two foundational problems, as I see it.
1. Abuse of government power.
2. Failure to understand science. Acquired immunity from Covid is equal to or greater than vaccine-acquired, especially as pertains to more recent variants. Someone who recovered from Omicron has more immunity to Omicron than someone vaccinated, which was developed for the wild type spike protein. This immunity needs to be valued. Considering someone who is unvaccinated, but has recovered from Covid, as lesser than someone vaccinated is not scientifically accurate.
Proponents of vaccine mandates promote false information. They claim that vaccination stops the spread of Covid and prevents illness. Not anymore. The vaccine was very effective against the wild type Covid, because it’s based upon that specific spike protein. Once variants changed that spike protein, the vaccine lost effectiveness. The vaccine no longer stops infection or spread. Vaccinated people catch and spread Covid just fine. This is why emphasis should have shifted to testing, and treatment protocols.
I am also very disappointed that the Biden Administration seized control of the monoclonal antibody production and distribution, and then his FDA rescinded authorization. Hospitals not only now lack access to monoclonal antibodies, but many lack a supply of the remaining approved therapeutics. I know someone who’s father passed away from Covid. He’s anguished because the hospital would not, or could not, give him Remdesivir, or any other treatment that he wanted. They just put him on a ventilator, his lungs became engulfed, and he died. He believes the hospital killed his father, who would have been saved with appropriate treatment.
By now, 2 years into the global pandemic, every hospital in America should have the gold standard treatment protocols laid in, as well as access to other treatments for patients who do not respond well. We should have ample Covid tests. Yet we don’t. I ordered the “free” (as in, paid for with taxpayer money that people think grows on trees) at home Covid tests from the government weeks ago. They still have not arrived.
You know Fascism has gone too far when our peace loving Northern neighbors in Canada rise up and demonstrate.
Also, someone please explain to me why it’s OK to go on an airplane, or attend a football game, but pastors get arrested in Canada? Explain why not wanting your low-risk child to go to school with a cloth mask, which the CDC admitted was just a facial decoration, but it’s OK for the school board to attend one party after another, maskless? Explain why we see all the celebrities, former athletes, and the rest of the gliteratti, without a mask, at crowded events, but it’s “Neanderthal thinking” that low risk kids should have the option to go without a mask?
This isn’t science. It’s abuse of power. It’s an elite ruling class making Fascist rules that they ignore for themselves.
VOTE RESPONSIBLY!
Jonathan: Truckers, Smuckers. Let’s move on to some really interesting news. It looks like Trump did more to cover his trail than destroy official records or secretly take 14 boxes of docs back to Mar-a-Lago. It now appears Trump also used the phones of WH aides and even the Secret Service to make “sensitive” calls–because those calls were not recorded. In 2018 Trump used a Secret Agent’s phone to call Melania after the Stormy Daniels scandal broke: “Honey, are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?” must have been part of the phone call. Trump was on the golf course (where else) when the call took place. The Secret Service agent was not happy. Dan Scavino, director of social media under Trump, also lent his phone to the President. The Jan. 6 House select committee subpoenaed Scavino who has refused to testify. Instead, he has filed suit against Verizon to prevent the release of his phone records. It seems Trump and Scavino have a lot to hide. The question is did Trump use the phone of someone else when talked to his co-conspirators before and after Jan. 6? We and the House committee are all dying to know.
Dear Dennis McIntyre, since your calling to move on to something more substantial than freedom of the Canadian people we should also consider the hacking of the Whitehouse servers by your friends at the Democratic Party. One would think that you would be concerned with the breaching of the computer system in the Whitehouse by an opposition party but alas just like your friends at CNN and MSNBC this act of treason doesn’t even make a blip on on your radar screen. And yet you daily present yourself as a so called patriot. With friends of the nation like you who needs enemies. Have you noticed how more and more accusations are coming from the Durham investigation. It’s because he has looked at the servers and he has found the footprints. And you dear Dennis still walk about with a long white cain with a red tip.
Dennis….the news of the day is about Hillary, Elia, Perkins Coie, Comey, McCabe, Biden, Obama, Sullivan and a host of others involved in a conspiracy to spy on the President of the United States and fabricate false accusations about his “collusion” with Russia.
Don’t try to defect from the really serious and seditious acts of Senior Democrats…..as it just isn’t going to work.
Even the Leftist controlled media is scurrying away like Crabs on an exposed beach.
Ralph, have you actually read Durham’s motion?
Are you aware that the motion doesn’t even mention most of the people you listed, and doesn’t allege any crimes by the rest?
Ralph doesn’t know anything other than what he hears on alt-right, which he never questions. These are the people who are told by alt-right media that they’re smarter than everyone else, and that they shouldn’t believe anything non-Trump media reports.
The Clinton campaign spied on a political campaign, and then, the President of the United States.
This has been established. Actual indictments that will be proven in court. Not the phony kind like Mueller. The kind that never have to be defended in court. This is real
No, iowan, that has NOT been established. It has been ALLEGED, but it has not yet been proven.
Manafort was indicted by Mueller and lost in court.
Stone was indicted by Mueller and lost in court.
You’re free to have the bizarre opinion that those indictments were “phony,” but the juries clearly didn’t agree with you.
Papadopoulos and Gates were indicted by Mueller and chose to plead guilty and cooperate.
We’ll have to wait and see what a jury thinks of Durham’s case against Sussman. Having read both the indictment and analyses of it, I suspect that the jury is not going to agree with you. I could be wrong of course.
Process crimes or nothing connected to the phony Russia, Russia, Russia. scam. Now with proof of what we all knew. Clinton and the Dems planted any evidence of Russia connection.
This is exactly how the corrupt DoJ instigated their actions against Parents attending school board meeting. The dems gave a third party a letter to mail back themselves. Bingo. Evidence to harass parents going to school board meetings.
It like a magic act. slight of hand and mirrors.
The Ukraine situation is going to be just the same Russia was never going to invade. But by the end of the week the Dems will be telling us all how great the Biden admin diplomatic powers are. They prevented something that was never going to happen
LOL. Sussman is accused of a process crime, and Clinesmith pleaded guilty to a process crime!
I guess you’re just a hypocrite who excuses process crimes by people you support while condemning others for similar crimes.
As for “Clinton and the Dems planted any evidence of Russia connection,” you’re in denial. FFS, there’s evidence of Manafort passing campaign data to Kilimnik and of Stone in touch with Guccifer 2. That evidence was not planted.
“LOL. Sussman is accused of a process crime, and Clinesmith pleaded guilty to a process crime!”
Listen to ATS spin to the point of a lie that it was only “a process crime.” What Clinsmith did was far more than that.
It was a forgery, falsifying a document for the FISA Court, which led to the surveillance of an innocent person associated with the Trump campaign, Carter Page. The FISA Court is there to protect the civil liberties of Americans yet open up surveillance of American citizens to protect the nation ( a very touchy subject). This type of falsification severely harmed the integrity of the FISA Court and the DOJ.
To ATS, this was nothing more than a process crime. It’s BS. Clinesmith should have lost his license for good and spent a lot of time in jail. This case is an example of ATS not recognizing the rule of law, but we have seen evidence of this many times. ATS is a Fascist.
Ralph, if we had a justice department that would follow the law, Hilary and her cohorts would be in orange jumpsuits.
What crime did she commit?
mishandling classified document.
Like Trump?
I suggest that you (re)read the actual elements required for it to be a crime. The investigation showed that there was no deliberate mishandling of classified info.
Yea that e mail server in the Chapaqua bathroom just materialized like a fungus. Nothing deliberate about it. Right you are.
We should definitely use your opinion in judging all crimes, right?
Ralph, if we had a justice department that would follow the law, Hilary and her cohorts would be in orange jumpsuits.
18 U.S. Code § 2381 – Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381
Be more concerned about the Coup Hillary and the rest of your party committed against an elected President. Talk about Insurrection. The axe is coming down, and I for one, can’t wait to see Hillary carted off to prison. She should be hung for Treason, but with our media being in bed with the corrupt, she will get away with THAT too.
What crime did she commit?
So proud of VA Gov Youngkin, Lt Gov Sears and AG Miyares, a diverse trio who share the peoples vision and look like them too.
E pluribus unum
Bill banning school mask mandates heads to Youngkin’s desk
A bill blocking school boards from mandating masks in schools is headed to Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s desk, a major win for a governor who campaigned on promises to dial back COVID-19 mandates even as the pandemic continues.
Senate Bill 739 cleared the GOP-controlled House along party lines Monday in a 52-48 vote, days after clearing the Democrat-controlled Senate with support from three Democrats.
Richmond.com
While I agree with not mandating kids wear masks in school, I would rather leave the decision-making up to the local school district. Parents should engage to a far greater degree with their districts anyway rather than pass the responsibility of how education should occur up the ladder.
Naw PR. Our local one here are committed leftists.
The local school board in my area mostly has conservatives and moderate, old-school Democrats.
People should address this issue and vote out these folks. Would you consider running?
“People should address this issue and vote out these folks”
When I wrote “these folks” I meant the committed leftists in Mespo’s district! More balanced, centrist, moderate, old-school folks are welcome to apply.
PR,
The mask are known from studies to harm kids/adults health…. Drops O2 levels & increases CO2 by approx 20%.
Health Care is for The Doctor not the local SB/state/fed govt idiots or the national Commie/Nazi idiots at the CDC, NIH, NIADI, FDA, & the next 500 idiot agencies.
I’m hardly the best spokesmen yet everyday I get reinforcements to being awareness to injuries & deaths of kids & other family members that realize they shouldn’t have trusted many of those in Govt/Med Industrial complexes.
********
Dr Ben Mable
https://www.banned.video/watch?id=620ad195f8b550051ca22c7f
Important Type Correction:
Health Care is for The Individual 1st, Bodily Autonomy, The Doctor Next not the local SB/state/fed govt idiots or the national Commie/Nazi idiots at the CDC, NIH, NIADI, FDA, & the next 500 idiot agencies.
Oky,
I have grave concerns regarding masks for children (and adults)–cellular health, developmental delays, psychological effects. Masks should be a choice, absolutely. However, I lean toward local control because too much power has slipped up to the state and federal level. Let people take back their local control of schools, more of their self-governance. That cannot happen if governors are mandating things.
I would rather leave the decision-making up to the local school district
Part of the problem is the schoolboards are Teacher union shills. But, the good news is, covid blew up the charade. Parents are on to the lie. Parents now know the school boards are rubber stamps, and are not protecting the children from the Educrats that use the kid as lab rats. The battle between parents and schools are just starting.
iowan2,
Not everywhere. Not all school boards are rubber stamps and there are school board members out there that are trying to protect children from Educrats. It isn’t just a battle between parents and schools. There are many school board members who are fighting to make sure kids start getting a solid education (rather than the stripped down version too many kids seem to get now), and, that self-governance stays strong in the face of administrative and bureaucratic nonsense.
That would be great if the districts didn’t follow the same morning spreadsheet of talking points provided by the DNC. No offense, but you do not seem to realize that leftist fanaticism has taken root at quite literally every level. Vote in EVERY election. Vote for the dang PTA if you can.
James,
I have more concerns about the talking points provided by the World Economic Forum.
When did Canada become a gestapo state?
It didn’t.
The Canadian govt is locking up bank accounts of citizens for protesting. NO due process. Canceling insurance, no due process.
All because the govt could not see their way clear to sit down for a chat. Instead the ignored everything for a month. Everything went south because Trudeau was to good to talk to the commoners.
(all for the refusal of a few people to take a shot that does not protect you from covid, nor stop the spread of the virus.)
To correct a glaring oversight, the ubiquitous Kathy Ruemmler, Obama’s Fixer, is added to the list of co-conspirators in the Obama Coup D’etat in America.
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The Obama Coup D’etat in America is the most egregious abuse of power and the most prodigious crime in American political history.
The co-conspirators are:
Kevin Clinesmith, Bill Taylor, Eric Ciaramella, Rosenstein, Mueller/Team, Andrew Weissmann,
James Comey, Christopher Wray, McCabe, Strozk, Page, Laycock, Kadzic, Sally Yates,
James Baker, Bruce Ohr, Nellie Ohr, Priestap, Kortan, Campbell, Sir Richard Dearlove,
Christopher Steele, Simpson, Joseph Mifsud, Alexander Downer, Stefan “The Walrus” Halper,
Azra Turk, Kerry, Hillary, Huma, Mills, Brennan, Gina Haspel, Clapper, Lerner, Farkas, Power,
Lynch, Rice, Jarrett, Holder, Brazile, Sessions (patsy), Nadler, Schiff, Pelosi, Obama,
Joe Biden, James E. Boasberg, Emmet Sullivan, Gen. Milley, George Soros, John McCain,
Marc Elias, Igor Danchenko, Fiona Hill, Charles H. Dolan, Jake Sullivan, Strobe Talbot,
Cody Shear, Victoria Nuland, Ray “Red Hat” Epps, Don Berlin, Kathy Ruemmler et al.
It clearly isn’t limited to free speech.
“Alberta RCMP make arrests at Coutts Border Blockade”
https://twitter.com/RCMPAlberta/status/1493282347071979520
That tweet cites arrests after search warrants reveal arms including 13 long guns, hand guns, body armor, high capacity clips, and a machete.
Durham deliberately shaded by releasing on Fri. before Super Bowl.
Please see: Lesley Stahl @ 1:27 PM
BREAKING NEWS: PROGRESSIVES ARE NAZIS.
Breaking news: you like hyperbole.
In 2004 at the Flint GM Truck and Bus plant, truckers refused to cross picket line impacting other companies dependent on this plants production.
Below from Wikipedia.org, August 10th 2020 Canadian Union of Public Employees began a strike against the Port of Montreal (Montreal strike).
Shortly after the strike began, the governments of François Legault (Quebec premier) and Doug Ford (Ontario premier), asked for the federal government to intervene to force the strikers back to work. This request was denied, with Labour Minister Filomena Tassi writing that “Our government has faith in the collective bargaining process, as we know the best deals are made at the table.”[4] The Mining Association of Canada called the decision not to intervene “incomprehensible.”[5] Tensions were heightened during the final days of the strike after the Maritime Employers Association announced its intention to hire scabs to unload the sitting containers. However, A truce was agreed upon on August 21 which allowed the port to reopen two days later. The two sides agreed to resume contract talks and the union pledged to continue working without a labour stoppage for the next seven months after which time the union would resume its right to strike.
It all depends on who is asking for grievance consideration, independent owners or governmental approved employers? Both of these examples had far reaching impacts on others who were dependent on their output of goods and services.
The Labor Department, the Labor Day holiday, and strike-supporting labor legislation are all unconstitutional communist indoctrination and propaganda.
Americans enjoy freedom and free enterprise.
Owners of private companies have the private property right to hire, fire, pay and direct at their pleasure, and without interference by government.
Workers have the right to accept employment or reject employment.
Congress has no power to intervene in enterprise or employee activities.
Disturbance of the peace shall be quelled.
That certain individuals have a perverse desire for personal power is apropos of absolutely nothing, and does not nullify the rights, freedoms, privileges and immunities provided by the Constitution.
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“They are in violation of the law, and if they do not report for work within 48 hours, they have forfeited their jobs and will be terminated.”
– President Ronald Reagan, PATCO Strike, August 3, 1981
“There’s no real evidence of that.”
– Lesley Stahl, Journalist, CBS
At :25 seconds
Exhibit 5001 in the ongoing melodrama, “Trump lies a lot.”
No, Hillary paid people to spy on him, and Leslie Stahl lied by sticking up for the liars like all Progressive Pravda media that is in bed with the Progressive party does.
Neither you nor Trump have presented evidence that “Hillary paid people to spy on him.”
If you’re referring to the motion that Durham filed last week, have you bothered to read it? If you haven’t bothered to read it, here’s a copy: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60390583/35/united-states-v-sussmann/
Gee, Durham has been through all the billing records. That’s part ot the indictment for lying to the FBI. Sussman said he did not work for the Clinton Campaign, but he was bill them.
Clinton is caught. Again. But again the corrupt DoJ will ignore the evidence.
Durham’s motion last week doesn’t even mention Hillary herself. I take it that you haven’t read it.
As for “Sussman said he did not work for the Clinton Campaign,” no, Durham hasn’t alleged that Sussman said that. I gather you either didn’t read the indictment, or you read it but haven’t kept track of the details. Perhaps you didn’t understand what Durham actually alleged and how it’s materially different from your substitution here.
Not to worry, comrade, Durham’s will be the sequel to the Warren Report – a massive, communist, Deep Deep State whitewash and cover-up.
Americans aren’t allowed anywhere near the truth; it’s toxic.
Comrade, you should be home making babies.
The evidence is that all the lawyers involved in spying on Trump before and after the election didn’t work for free and billed the Clinton Campaign for their spying activities. Those lawyers did no other work at the same times that could conceivably serve as a cover or front for their true anti-Trump activities. The mountain of evidence of criminal activities is overwhelming and the evidence isn’t the issue. The issue is whether individuals working within an inherently corrupt system can actually properly prosecute those criminal activities all the way to top and whether an inherently political/corrupt court system will actually follow and apply the law to punish those criminals.
You haven’t presented any evidence of spying. You’ve made evidenceless claims.
Please do present your evidence. Keep in mind that if your evidence involves the Executive Office of the President prior to January 2017 (which is what Durham referred to, not calling it spying), then you’re claiming that they were spying on Obama.
Note the similarities between present day Democrats in the US Congress and Communists in Cuba. That is not a coincidence
Cuba says more than 700 charged over anti-government protests
Cuban officials say more than 700 people who took part in anti-government protests last year have been charged with crimes including sedition, vandalism, theft and public disorder. The public prosecutor’s office said 172 people had already been tried and convicted, without giving details. Families and activists have criticised the trials as unfair, and say the sentences are disproportionate. Hundreds of people were arrested after the protests, the largest in decades. Thousands demonstrated across the Communist-run island last July to voice anger over food and medicine shortages, price increases and the government’s handling of the pandemic.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-60124600
Democrats are coming after all of us.
In Canada the joke is Trudeaus is really Castro’s son. A counter protest in Ottawa there were several communist flags.
Just An True Dope
Estovir…..are you noticing how shrill and strident the usual suspects are being today?
It would seem they are all atwitter about the revelations coming forth from the Durham Investigation that bode ill for their Idols on the Left.
I suppose in their minds Truckers illegally parking and totting some Big Rig air horns….and parents speaking out at School Board Meetings are the real subversives despite what Hillary and her co-conspirators including the Mass Media got up to to attempt to prevent a peaceful exchange of power during the 2016 Election and attterwards…….but sadly that “insurance policy” the FBI talked about in Andy’s Office did not work out.
The “OK” signal fashioned using you fingers was in less display than confederate flags a the Canadian Trucker protest. So here come the leftist in academia, cranking the divisive language up to eleven.
Yep…..”Freedom” is a ‘right wing’ dog whistle.
For many, freedom is a malleable term — one that’s open to interpretation.
That flexibility, in part, has fuelled its growth among certain groups, said Barbara Perry, director of the Centre on Hate, Bias and Extremism at the Oshawa-based Ontario Tech University.
“It is a term that has resonated…. You can define it and understand it and sort of manipulate it in a way that makes sense to you and is useful to you, depending on your perspective,” she told Cross Country Checkup.
It’s also a term that has thrived among far-right groups, said Perry, one of a number of experts who say the presence of far-right groups in Canada is growing.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/checkup/what-s-your-reaction-to-the-ottawa-standoff-and-the-border-blockades-1.6349636/why-the-word-freedom-is-such-a-useful-rallying-cry-for-protesters-1.6349865