Biden Repeats False Claims about AR-15 Velocity in Support of a Ban

We have previously discussed dubious constitutional and historical claims by President Joe Biden on gun bans. However, on Friday, he returned to a curious claim that he has made repeatedly: that “the bullet out of an AR-15 travels five times as rapidly as a bullet shot out of any other gun.” Conservative and gun rights publications have repeatedly shot down that claim but it does not seem to have any impact.  As with Biden’s false claim that certain weapons were banned from private ownership at the ratification of the Second Amendment, the President continues to make the same false claim on velocity speed.

A June 30 Field & Stream column on the “Five Fastest Rifle Cartridges”  listed the feet per second (fps) the five fastest rifle cartridges:

  1. .220 Swift — A 40-Grain .220 Swift round moves approximately 4,300 fps.

  2. .257 Weatherby Magnum — An 87-Grain .257 Weatherby Magnum round moves approximately 3,700+ fps.

  3. .30/378 Weatherby — An 165-Grain .30/378 Weatherby round moves approximately 3,400+ fps.

  4. .224 Clark — An 80-Grain .224 Clark round moves approximately 3,500+ fps.

  5. .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer — A 50-Grain .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer round moves approximately 4,600 fps.

AR-15 rounds move at approximately 2,700 – 3,100 fps. Even handgun bullets can reportedly reach around 2,000 fps (though that is rare).

Even the Washington Post has called Biden’s repeated velocity claim “bungled” and factually incorrect. An AR-15 round, at 100 yards, is only slightly faster than most hunting rifles.  However, when measured at the point of the departure from the barrel (as is commonly used on velocity), it is about twice the speed of a common hand gun. It is not the fastest (let alone five times faster) than other guns.

Those false statements can be dismissed as just another gaffe or “Corn Pop” story, but they refer to the factual foundation for gun control under the Second Amendment. Since President Biden is suggesting that such facts are material to a ban, there is a need for accuracy in such details.

The White House is ramping up the President’s call to ban “assault weapons” before the midterm elections.  The position remains unclear, including additional references to 9mm handguns are possibly next on the list for prohibitions.

In support of the ban on AR-15s, Vice President Kamala Harris declared: “Do you know what an assault weapon is? It was designed for a specific purpose, to kill a lot of human beings quickly. An assault weapon is a weapon of war, with no place, no place in a civil society.”

Courts likely would press the Biden administration on why it is seeking to ban this model when other higher-caliber weapons are sold. AR-15s can handle a variety of calibers. However, they are no more powerful than other semi-automatic rifles of the same caliber and actually have a lower caliber than some commonly sold weapons which use .30-06, .308 and .300 ammunition; many of these guns fire at the same — or near the same rate — as the AR-15. None of these weapons are classified as actual military “assault weapons,” and most civilians cannot own an automatic weapon.

President Biden showed the same disconnect as Harris between the factual and the rhetorical basis for some gun-control measures. He condemned “high-caliber weapons” like 9mm handguns and said “a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body.”

Moreover, while other politicians like Texas gubernatorial candidate Beto O’Rourke have called for bans, there are obvious practical problems. With an estimated 393 million guns in the United States and an estimated 72 million gun owners; three out of ten Americans say they have guns. Indeed, gun ownership rose during the pandemic, particularly among minority households.

These weapons are worth hundreds of dollars. Owners would not only challenge such a law but might demand compensation for their seized weapons. There are also over 15 million such weapons in the United States. The ATF is a relatively small agency to carry out such a massive confiscation program. Even in Texas, a state confiscation plan would require an unprecedented law enforcement effort.

There are good-faith arguments for gun control, including arguments that the Second Amendment does not create an individual right to bear arms. We should continue to have that worthy debate but we should follow the rule of the late Sen. Patrick Moynihan that “everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

 

142 thoughts on “Biden Repeats False Claims about AR-15 Velocity in Support of a Ban”

    1. Here is some more information…

      “So we now have an anti-firearm movement (anti 2nd Amendment movement) that wants to ban or limit availability of firearms to 100% of the people based on the illegal use of… 0.000148% of firearms – this is not logical.”

      Logic vs Emotion

    2. The only arguments that anti 2nd Amendment activists have are pure emotional BS, ignorant parroting of debunked misinformation and outright lies. The pro 2nd Amendment activists have all the facts and logic.

  1. “There are good-faith arguments for gun control, including arguments that the Second Amendment does not create an individual right to bear arms. ”

    There are no good faith arguments for abrogating our Constitutional rights. One only has to read Federalist 46 by future President James Madison to understand the purpose of the 2A. On the subject of the government using a standing army to oppress the people Madison wrote:

    “ To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united…..”

    Democrats are well aware of the power of an armed and disaffected populace and they are well aware its the main obstacle in their quest for absolute power.

  2. Pay attention for the last 2 years and understand what the Democrat Party if forced to do in order to get what they want. Covid= health emergency, Shut down Churches and Gun Stores. 2 enumerated rights, and JUDGES! say sure, OK fine. The constitution has exceptions, its right there in the penumbra next to abortion. Abortion because you have an unassailable right to bodily autonomy, except vaccines, you are forced to do that. Only congress can appropriate money, except $trillion to pay of college debt, because its a health emergency, Constitutions suspended.
    Ban the most common fire arm in circulation, defying the Miller SCOTUS decision, because health emergency.
    Implement the Green Leap Forward….yep medical emergency, constitution suspended

    y’all see the pattern here?

  3. It would appear that the only response to biden and his followers is to shout “liar, liar, pants on fire” whenever they speak. With gusto and repeatedly. Do not give them the advantage of your silence, make them defend their lies in frony of you.

  4. What this actually about is control.

    Ask Biden and the National Socialist Democrats WOKE Party who’s going to take them?

    700 million guns. Homeland Security thinks only 3% will resist by force.

    Run with those numbers!

    Say when.

  5. Many seem to forget who makes up the constituency of the Democratic party. Biden, and other Democrats can say just about anything, and their constituency will swallow it whole, whilst shaking their heads in ignorant affirmation. The Democrats, in general, know this to be true. So….they cater to this ignorance, and prey upon it simultaneously. But aside from that, Biden is in such a precarious mental state, that it’s obvious to many that he doesn’t have a clue what he’s saying, or why – he just attempts to read it from the teleprompter. When he strays from it, his words take on the appearance of a strange type of word salad.

  6. This is a man who has lied his whole political career. For decades he blamed his 1st wife’s death on a drunk driver. Although tragic, the truck driver was never drunk or even drinking and investigation showed Biden’s wife had pulled out into traffic inappropriately. Only ongoing threats and possible suits finally shut him up. Plus his previous campaigns were marred by lies and plagiarism and other “misstatements”. And that was before his present mentally challenged state developed.
    Hardly a surprise though.

  7. The uninitiated have latched onto the AR ban because they mistakenly assume that it stands for Assault Rifle. In fact the AR was developed by the Armalite arms firm as a rifle and the company designated the product AR. The license for AR was sold to several companies. Of course gun control advocates are engaged in fear fear mongering, or to use the left’s favorite word, dis-information.

    I doubt that Joe, Kamala, or the majority of those in their immediate orbit have actual experience with the AR-15 or any weapon. The exception would be the Secret Service or military personnel assigned to the WH.

  8. How many people were harmed by the CV19 Vax compared to AR Defence weapons & all guns in the last year?

    I think we needs laws to limit the size of those Vaccine Magazines. 😉

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    1. “There are good-faith arguments for gun control, including arguments that the Second Amendment does not create an individual right to bear arms. ”

      In this day & time the statement above is nothing more then hog vomit!

      The Debate is over as Biden/DC has already started WW3.

      For anyone paying the least bit of attention the UN,WEF, E/W Coast Commie/Fascist (Libs,RINOS), New Zealand/Aussie/Brit/Canada/China are all coming after all US Citizens Right.

      Why did the Inbred King George the 3rd send troops to seize American’s Defencive Arms, Destroy Free Speech, Use General Warrants & Destroy the Currency if it was not to Enslave Americans.

      Was Mark Levin the only one that noticed when the Govt Raided Trump that they violated Trump’s USC Rights by using an illegal General Warrant!

      And we should take notice that both Project Veritas & Infowars’ Free Speech Rights are under massive attacks right now.

      As in the video above W/Atty Barnes one can observe the CCP Court type “Struggle Session” Fake Trial on Display in a Connecticut against Alex Jones/Infowars & all Citizens USC Rights, like at least the 1st, 2nd Amd..

      The US Citizens will be Idiots if the give up as much as a Comma when it come to our Rights to wear Tank Tops!

  10. Gun grabbers always bring up the ban on machine guns as the prime example of why gun ownership should be curtailed to one degree or another. When this ban was instituted in the 1930’s, there was not an organized cadre of people, groups and politicians just waiting to pounce on the opportunity to confiscate guns. A similar ban on a particular gun today would set off the slow but steady march to outlaw firearm features one by one until no one has anything more than a peashooter. Biden and company are a perfect example of this, their obviously dishonest claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

  11. According to the MSM, only conservatives lie. Progressives are well intentioned although they may make a mistake once in awhile.

  12. Are Lefties stupid or liars?

    Some of both.

    Because there are few consequences to telling these lies, lefties keep repeating them.

    Lefties want to censor us, and keep on telling their lies.

    They don’t want to recognize that in their world, Biden would be censored.

  13. Thomas Jefferson wrote, “He who permits himself to lie once, finds it easier to do the second or third time, till it become habitual . . . sound like any politician you know?

  14. One assumes that when a politician speaks he/she would want to have their facts straight, less they look the fool . . . and apparently . . . one would be wrong!

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