Below is my column on Fox.com on President Joe Biden’s comment on his corvette and the unfolding of a defense from his counsel, including the “inadvertence” defense. While this defense is better than the conspiracy theory put forward by Rep. Hank Johnson (D., Ga.) and others that the documents may have been planted, it has some obvious risks and conflicts.
Here is the column:
“Like a car, only better.” That slogan for Corvette sold a lot of cars, but, until last week, it was never used with regard to classified documents. President Joe Biden responded to a question Thursday from Fox’s Peter Doocy about the disclosure of additional classified documents found in his garage next to his corvette at his home in Delaware. The president responded “My Corvette is in a locked garage, OK? So, it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street.”
Like his car, Biden had classified documents stored in his garage but it was hardly better.
There is no question that Biden’s 1967 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray is one hot car. Most of us would take the Stingray over an assortment of classified Ukraine briefing papers or memos. However, foreign intelligence may be more discerning.
The fact is that the argument that you protected classified documents as carefully as your Corvette will not cut it with the criminal code. As the Justice Department stated in the Trump filings, the mishandling of classified material can be a criminal act. The Justice Department cited provisions included 18 U.S.C. 793 (Gathering or Transmitting Defense Information) and 18 U.S.C. 2071 (Concealment, Removal, or Mutilation Generally).
Despite that history, many experts assured the public, without any evidence but a couple leaks, that there was no criminal conduct involving Biden.
Harvard Professor Laurence Tribe has previously run through the criminal code on what Donald Trump should be charged with, including witness tampering, obstruction of justice, criminal election violations, Logan Act violations, extortion, espionage, and treason by Trump or his family.
Tribe insisted that “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” Most recently, that included a charge of attempted murder of former Vice President Mike Pence.
Yet, when Biden was accused of the same unlawful possession of classified information, Tribe needed no further evidence. He declared “One is criminal (Trump). And one is not criminal (Biden). Say it in plain English.”
Mueller’s top aide Andrew Weissmann added “It’s not a crime to accidentally take and retain govt docs. If upon learning that you have docs, you return them, there is no crime.”
Clearly, the Justice Department did not agree. In order to appoint a special counsel, the Attorney General had to find “that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.” That does not mean that there is criminal conduct in this case, but the law prefers, at least for appearance’s sake, to wait for a modicum of evidence before making final judgments.
Biden’s counsel has insisted that this is merely “inadvertently misplaced.” That statement is belied by a couple facts. First, it seems that these documents were likely moved more than once. Biden left office as vice president in 2017. He presumably took these documents at that time. However, they ended up in different places, including one document found separately from the “garage files” in the residence.
Moreover, Biden had an office at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia after finishing his term in 2017. On February 8, 2018, the Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement says that it opened its doors in Washington, D.C.
Biden could not have moved into the D.C. office until later that year. So those documents had to be moved from another location with moving trucks and personnel. They then sat in the office for years as other classified documents sat in his garage with his Corvette.
At some point, some documents were sent to the office and some to the residence and garage. What explained this division if it was not based on what the then vice president was working on?
The “inadvertent” defense hardly fits neatly with these facts. Moreover, if Biden worked off any of these documents for his book (which dealt with some of the underlying subjects like Ukraine), the inadvertent defense is not only shattered but could be cited later as an effort to deceive the public.
There are already concerns over the public statements from the president and his staff. The White House was already aware that there was not just one but three discoveries (the Penn Biden office, the garage, and the residence) of classified documents. However, the president indicated that only the Penn Biden office documents were at issue.
Finally, there is a question about the timeline. There seemed to be a general lack of urgency from the government despite finding documents classified at the high “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information” (TS/SCI) level.
However, it took two days for the archives to notify the Justice Department. It then took seven days after the discovery for the FBI to do a risk assessment. Most notably, after the discovery of classified material in two locations, it was private counsel who discovered the last classified document. That was December 20th. It is not clear if the FBI asked or were allowed to conduct its own search before December 20th given the repeated discoveries in different locations.
While Garland finally made an appointment, he appears to have done so with one huge benefit to Biden. Unlike the sweeping mandate given the special counsel for Trump, the Biden mandate appears quite narrow. There was no reference to the alleged Biden influence peddling scandal, which long ago warranted a special counsel appointment.
We may soon, however, see an extraordinary historical development where both leading candidates for the presidency will be campaigning with their own assigned special counsels.
Remember when we thought that the press would save us from the Deep State. Maroons were were. They are the Deep State:
And Part 2:
mespo–It’s hard to choose a favorite Sydney Pollack film, but this one is way up there.
I can not watch a single film with Robert Redford in it. He never met a Marxist for whom he would not enthusiastically take a knee. He especially enjoyed fraternizing with Fidel Castro when they routinely met in Havana including scuba diving together off Cuba’s coast. Then there was the hagiographic movie Redford produced in Cuba about Marxist assassin, Che Guevara, for Che’s widow then embraced her
Thus Redford starring in a film lecturing others about corruption is….well, choose your adjectives because Ive got mine in Spanish which are far more on point!
Castro visits Redford in Havana hotel
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-jan-27-et-castro27-story.html
Redford Shows Che Guevara Film in Cuba
https://www.haaretz.com/2004-01-26/ty-article/redford-shows-che-guevara-film-in-cuba/0000017f-e8e2-df5f-a17f-fbfe8c230000
Robert Redford showed his new film about Che Guevara, “The Motorcycle Diaries,” to the widow and children of the legendary guerrilla fighter on Sunday. “I came to present the film that I produced on Che Guevara and I am very happy to be in Cuba,” Redford told Reuters before the private screening at Havana’s Charles Chaplin cinema.
“Legendary guerrilla fighter”…..talk about euphemisms and denying historical facts. Guevara was a cowardly murderer.
How charming that Redford had a private screening in a cinema in Cuba, cinemas that Cubans living on the island can not enter because they lack food, clothing, money, permits, etc.
This is where America is headed folks. Believe it from immigrants who fled authoritarianism
Estovir…..I certainly see why you don’t like Redford.
At the time he made “Condor”, as I remember, he had not yet established himself as a Leftist, much less a Castro sympathizer. “Three Days of the Condor” was released 30 years before “Motorcycle Diaries” was made. I liked his movies in the 70’s, because, as a young shallow American woman, I thought he was handsome.
But, I take your warning seriously, and am in awe of what your family endured to start a new life in America.
mespo,
That film STILL gives me chills…..like the paid liars on the Left. Scary people, capable of heinous acts. Incapable of feeling remose for those acts.
“how that could possibly happen” …. “how anyone could be that irresponsible.”
Jonathan: When I turned 16 my father bought me an old Pontiac so I could commute to school and my part time job. The car had seen better days but I washed and waxed that car every weekend. One of my close school friends was much more fortunate. His father bought him a new 1956 Corvette, white with red interior. It was definitely a hot car. I remember my first ride in the sleek car. My friend and I drove up to our favorite drive-in restaurant to show off his new car. All the girls came running over to take a look. I was in hog heaven! What is it about cars that puts us back into a place and time long ago? So I can understand why Pres. Biden keeps his Corvette in a locked garage.
Nostalgia aside, Biden has dug a hole for himself that could have been prevented. After the search of Mar-a-Lago found Trump was hoarding top secret docs, and had I been Biden, I would have ordered a search of my offices and home to see if I inadvertently retained classified material and immediately turned it over to NARA. Biden didn’t do that and it is coming back to haunt him. Instead of getting out in front of the issue Biden is now back peddling. Biden has a lot of Qs to answer. Like why he waited until after the mid-terms to fess up. It’s a PR nightmare.
In the previous column on this issue you said: ” Biden may be accused of the same underlying crime as Trump”. Conflating the two cases is breath taking and absurd. When Biden’s attorneys discovered the classified docs NARA was notified and the docs returned. Has Biden claimed he has a right to the docs because, through some mental process, everything was “declassified”? Nope. Did NARA and the DOJ have to subpoena the docs? Nope. Did the FBI have to search Biden’s offices and home to recover the docs? Nope. So we have a real case of apples and oranges. I think it’s time to step back and allow the Special Counsel to conduct a thorough investigation before we jump to unwarranted assumptions. Of course, this will not stop you and Fox–even though it’s not a big issue for voters.
Now, there is another guy who should not be able to get his hands on classified material and it’s GOP Rep. George Santos. He lied himself into the House and his lies keep piling up. It now appears Santos received illegal campaign contributions from a foreign national and an admitted human trafficker. The entire NY state GOP delegation has called on Santo to resign. But he refuses and McCarthy is OK with that and apparently is going to appoint Santos to important committees. No telling what Santos might do with access to classified material. What does that say about the GOP’s concern for protecting national security?
Wonderful. I expect to see some rude responses.
Dennis – is Santos going to be the new pinyata for the Left? Yes, he lied. But he is still way behind the Clintons and Biden on that score. And he does not have his finger on the nuclear trigger. I hope the Republicans in the House have the backbone to resist left-wing pressure to force his resignation. They will be running from Democrats for the next two years if they give in.
Why isn’t Turley addressing George Santos, who, like Trump, cheated his way into office, instead of harping about Joe Biden and trying to conflate Biden’s efforts to do every thing possible to get the documents back where they belonged, and his open cooperation with Trump’s stonewalling, lying and stealing? Why–who signs his paycheck? That answers the questions.
Senator Elizabeth Warren, lieawatha.
Dennis – nearly all garages are “locked”.
That will stop someone determined to get inside for about 30 seconds.
Was Biden’s garage locked as well as the closet at MAL – where you had to:
Get to Mar-A-Lago itself – it is a gated community – not a house on the street.
You have to sign in and out.
Get to Trumps residence.
Get into Trump’s residence.
Get Past many Secret Service agents.
Pick TWO cylinder Locks.
And repeat the process in reverse on the way out
Tell that to the Chinese woman who was found wandering the place with several phones and other equipment.
There were two, not one. Both were stopped by Secret Service Arrested and have since been tried and convicted.
Sounds like the Trump Residence at Mar-A-Lago is secure.
Do you even know if anyone got into Biden’s garage ? How would you tell ?
Or his Office ?
Something is not secure because you do not and can not know if security was compromised.
But you do know that it can not be.
George227 has problems assembling facts. Eric Swalwell was sleeping with a spy and then told her the FBI was coming and she fled. Barbara Boxers chauffeur for years was a Chinese spy. The leaks from the Democrats are horrendous. Three of them, clinton, Joe and Hunter are probably among the greatest of leakers.
We had this during WW2 and after. The Dems directly or indirectly supported security leaks. Many might think Clinton was the first to do Uranium transfers to Russia but they occurred during WW2 and that might have included heavy water.
S. Meyer – I had the same thought during the past week or so. Democrats are determined scourges of classification sins, real and imagined, by Trump. But it was Democrats, esp. the Roosevelt Adminstration, that stood by and let the Soviet Union set up an extensive, sophisticated spy network which infiltrated the federal governement, feeding Stalin with all the information he could have wanted about our capabilities and intentions. When Whitaker Chambers went to Adolf Berle in the early 1940s to expose Alger Hiss, he was ignored. Have the Democrats now done a volte-face? We might have thought so until Biden’s comical mishandling of classified documents came to light. Instead of being shocked and ashamed, they merely called it “inadvertent”. So, they have not changed.
“But it was Democrats, esp. the Roosevelt Adminstration, that stood by and let the Soviet Union set up an extensive, sophisticated spy network which infiltrated the federal governement, feeding Stalin ”
We are protecting people and their reputations, predominantly those of Democrats. The release of the Venona Documents in 1995, while Bill Clinton was President, should have started a wake-up call, but it didn’t.
‘Righteous pc people’ not recognizing how they were manipulated by the left, remain blind to history and repeat it in today’s world.
We can look at some parallels.
Clinton: Uranium to Russia
Obama: Iran nuclear program
Biden: Iran nuclear program
Biden through Hunter, Russia and China.
The Democrats do what they did before.
They want their misdeeds to go unnoticed, so when presented, the left calls the presenter a McCarthyite, no, a racist or uncaring fool.
Did you ever read about a soldier named Jordan who, during the war, reported shipping uranium, special tubing, and other things along with information containing words like cyclotron to Russia?
No, but I heard about the family of crooks who were just fined $1,600,000 for fraud. Other indictments will be coming from all directions. Stay tuned.
Wishful thinking.
What I heard was a NY AG and an idiotic NY Judge ruled unbeleiveably stupidly such that they will be overturned, because they have no clue how business of taxes work.
Too much CRT in School and not enough math and economics.
Differential Calculus is mathematics last I checked. Let me look at my old book for you. . . . Yup, it’s math!
Was that the first time you opened the book?
George227, you make yourself foolish because you haven’t proven the Trump family to be crooks and in the case you are providing, the Trump family wasn’t found guilty.
In fact, even the fine is disputed. You and your friends keep talking about indictments, but no convictions. Why? Because there is nothing to convict. Trump followed the law.
If you don’t like the law, change it, Acting foolish because you are unhappy with the results is foolish.
If you want to convict politicians you always have two, Biden and Clinton. Both violated the law, but it is not the law you are concerned about. It is the politics.
Two Trump Organization companies were convicted by a jury on multiple charges of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records.
“Trump Organization companies “
That makes you more foolish than George227. The companies were found guilty and Trump was not. Not only that but the decision is being challenged.
You need to understand the difference between Trump and companies. You have failed to differentiate that for years. You accused Trump of bankruptcy when he never went bankrupt. Some companies went bankrupt where Trump didn’t have controlling shares.
You need to study harder.
It was probably Fang Fang looking for Eric Swalwell.
“Conflating the two cases is breath taking and absurd.”
It is, Biden’s is far more egregious.
“When Biden’s attorneys discovered the classified docs NARA was notified and the docs returned.”
And a US attorney was appointed who searched Other Biden properties and found more.
If you take my car and 6 years later say “whoops” and return it – does that mean you did not steal it ?
Biden was caught red handed.
There is no unlimted VP power to declassify.
The documents were not found in a locked closet in his ex-VP official offices.
They were found in a chinese funded think tank, and his garage and library.
There is no legal argument at all that Biden could legitimately posess these documents as ex-VP.
Biden’s lawyers are properly doing the only thing they can do – engaging in massive mitigation.
Cooperating after the fact – because they have no other legal argument.
And pretending Biden had nothing to do with documents which were relevant to the book he was writing,
being removed from the WH in 2017. Or being moved to his offices in a chinese funded think tank.
If Biden had better arguments – as Trump did – he would be making them.
“Has Biden claimed he has a right to the docs”
Nope, because he has no right.
“because, through some mental process, everything was “declassified”? Nope.”
Presidents can declassify.
Vice Presidents can not.
Trump wishing these documents declassified will not fly in court.
His removing them from the white house and transfering them to MAL is sufficient to credibly argue they are declassified.
But more than likely all or most of these are RussiaGate Documents that were declassified by executive order multiple times.
Which Biden and the FBI do not want to ever see the light of day.
One of the reasons that the House is certainly going to investigate the MAL raid is because if those documents are Russia Gate Documents the MAL raid was a Crime.
“Did NARA and the DOJ have to subpoena the docs? Nope.”
NARA didn;t and can’t. A US Attorney at DOJ issued a broad subpeona as part of the J6 GJ hearing.
And was unprepared to go to court to get an actual court order that would have allowed him to Take Marshals to MAL and confiscate responsive material. BTW a subpeona is to produce documents as evidence – not to confiscate them.
Of course all of this was in the context of multiple visits by NARA and FBI to MAL where they were given free reign to search and take whatever they wanted.
“Did the FBI have to search Biden’s offices and home to recover the docs? Nope.”
Actually yes, the Garage search and multiple home searches were conducted by the FBI and a US attorney.
“So we have a real case of apples and oranges.”
Yup, and you keep trying to make the least significant difference into the most.
Biden sic’d NARA on Trump.
Trump did NOT sic NARA on Biden in 2017.
Biden moved classified documents in his posession to insecure locations multiple times as VP.
Trump did not.
It is likely we have no records nor any ability to tell who may have gained access to Biden’s records over 6 years.
Trump’s records were locked up, in an ex-presidents office, guarded by the Secret Service, In his private home with 24×7 video and private security, In a gated community. We can know for certain every person who got within 30ft of Trump’s records.
If you find Putin on the vistors list to Trump’s residence – we can convict him post haste.
You have no way of knowing who was in Biden’s garage, and who was in Biden’s closet at the Biden Center.
Trump is not the one making deals with foreign leaders for personal gain.
“I think it’s time to step back and allow the Special Counsel to conduct a thorough investigation before we jump to unwarranted assumptions.”
There is no foundation for a SC for Trump. There is no conflict of interest between DOJ and Trump.
Trump did not appoint Garland. Nor does Garland answer to him.
We do not need another Mueller mess with a hyperpartisan SC.
With respect to Biden – an SC is needed to investigate the foreign dealings.
Frankly FBI is capable of investigating how the Classified and other docs got where.
Regardless, Biden can not be prosecuted for that. He can only be impeached, so the REAL requirement is for a congressional investigation of Biden – which DOJ and FBI should assist – beyond their legitimate inquiry into who moved these documents and who might have accessed them.
“Of course, this will not stop you and Fox–even though it’s not a big issue for voters.”
Do we put crimes up for referendum ?
The big beneficiary here is Trump – Both Politically and with respect to investigations.
The MAL investigation is effectively DOA.
You can not attempt to prosecute Trump without ending up with Biden impeached and likely removed.
Contra your Claim – the Biden Doc scandal is worse for many reasons.
Trump’s docs likely are not classified.
Despite your Jabs about telepathic declassification – they are either Russia Gate Docs – and you can be sure establishing that is TOP of the House’s todo list – in which case you have a HUGE political scandal. Or they were declassified by moving them to MAL – not telepathy.
You can beleive that is not true. But to convict you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that is not true.
Biden’s docs are inarguably classified.
Biden can not make a the docs were removed inadvertantly claim. That does not explain how they got to Biden Center or his garage.
Trump has an inadvertent removal defense that he has not asserted if all else fails.
Biden went after Trump.
Trump did not go after Biden.
BTW I thought that seeking criminal investigations of political rivals was impeachable ?
I thought it did not matter whether they might have done something, you still could not do it.
Funny how so many left wing arguments vaporize when inconvenient.
When Santos gets a security clearance – notify me.
In the meantime, Desantos has as much right to be in congress as Warren, Blumenthal, Schiff, Swalwell, and numerous others.
I think he should publicly agree to resign – When Warren and Bluemnthal Resign
I have no interest in defending Santos. But he is not even close to the stinkiest fish in congress.
He will get his wrist slapped by the ethics committee, and he will likely be re-elected in 2024.
But that is up to his voters.
Does Santos have a security clearance ?
Or are you beating the crap out of a straw man ?
Is the Deep State getting ready to Deep Six Joe??
The concept of “Deep State” was invented to fool others and panic them into sending money to the elite like spoiled billionaire Trump.
horehey227:
“The concept of “Deep State” was invented to fool others and panic them into sending money to the elite like spoiled billionaire Trump.
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Yeah, Eisenhower was a real political bomb thrower and alarmist hothead. Do you own a history book?
“MISPLACED POWER OF THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX”
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“[The] ‘Deep State’ was invented to fool others and panic them into sending money….”
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What a ——- idiot!
Tell that to JFK, MLK, RFK, all of the victims of Peal Harbor, Gulf of Tonkin, Flight 800, 9/11, the Obama Coup D’etat in America, Jan. 6 and all the other Deep Deep State black ops.
These events generated monumental, global, historical repercussions and terrible consequences.
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“In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.”
– Dwight D. Eisenhower, January 17, 1961
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How in the world did President Eisenhower obtain full knowledge of the Deep Deep State and come to explicitly warn America of its existence, malice and peril?
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Had America implemented the clear meaning and intent of the Constitution, including its extensive and severe limitations and restrictions on governmental regulation, there would be no Department of Transportation or FAA and airline regulation would be accomplished, under threat of litigation, by the industry itself, and the very public and unabashed Lil Peter Buttgauge would have had no opportunity or possibility of exerting his gross incompetence, dereliction and negligence while mishandling it.
Did America become this incoherent and hysterical freak show voluntarily or was it coerced?
The Peter Principal at work, the lefts guiding montra!
It’s “mantra”.
Special council appointed by Garland is trying to ID a police department corvette
Walking down the prim-rose lane I came across a Jack-Ass braying. I asked, what’s all the caterwauling about? The Jack-Ass didn’t know, saying instructions came from a-high to bray that “Jack-Asses are true believers”. I proceeded to ask what a True Believer was. Responding, the Jack-Ass indicated all Jack-Asses come from the LEGION of PORT, where Truth is validated as Fact, and no matter the fact truth only comes for the LEGION of PORT
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The Jack-Ass reminded me of a famous statement by Gerald Kaufman from Britain in describing a manifesto of the Labor Party in 1983 as, “the longest suicide note in history”.
The boomerang of mendacity came back; maybe its name is “Karma”. Karma is not always swift in application, but nevertheless its aim is accurate.
“Karma is not always swift in application, but nevertheless its aim is accurate.”
Yup. I love what is happening to Donnie Trump and Vladi Putin!
Hey george227 we’re talking about Biden here. The what about Trump is a weak argument. You rail about Trump having classified documents but you give a pass to Biden. Why don’t you write about Biden saying he “inadvertently” had top secret documents. One of the classified documents got “inadvertently” moved from his garage to the library in his house. Reverting to the Trump argument on every subject just provides testimony to your level of thinking. Any good contractor would just throw that level away.
Did he defy a court order to give them up, prompting at lest one charge of Obstruction of Justice?
Trump hasn’t been charged.
Yet. It is coming, like the ones in Washington DC, New York and Georgia..
Maybe, maybe not. He’s certainly gotten away without charges for some of his earlier crimes, like obstruction in the Mueller investigation and campaign finance crime in paying Cohen with a huge bonus for paying off Stormy Daniels.
Who are they going to run, Moochell?
While we’re on the topic of Biden’s dismal failures:
Glad to see that the 6th circuit has held that the Biden regime’s forced vaccination program for federal contractors is illegal.
What is disappointing is that the ruling only protects employees in the 6th circuit. Contrast the 6th circuit’s exercise of judicial restraint with the unbridled activism of progressive judges who are all too eager to issue injunctions of national scope if it advances their political goals.
Who are the real victims? Americans who were forced to undergo COVID vaccinations or lose their livelihoods. For them, there is no turning back.
The next step? Remove the taboo on openly discussing the risks of COVID vaccinations. Many physicians are reporting that the risk-benefit profile is vastly different for different segments of the population. From the beginning, the administration has censored discussion on the point.
The American people have great wisdom and will make the right decisions for themselves and their families. Far greater than one size fits all policies enforced by government diktat and media complicity. What is the government afraid of? The truth?
@Epstein
I personally would love to know why so many people are suddenly collapsing with heart problems or mini-strokes at fairly young ages (my brother in-law, an athlete just like Damar, and under 40, had one of the strokes. He is vaxxed to the skies. every shot, every booster) From football players to Lisa Marie, to people that I know personally. Something stinks to high heaven in Denmark. There is not a single thing that the Democratic party has touched since Obama that has not been the subject of entropy and collapse. Not a one. And no, the RINOS are no better, but seriously: dem control has resulted in catastrophe everywhere it has spread its tendrils, unless one is insulated by luck or privilege or simple obliviousness and insulation from what the ‘big’ cities go through due to the size of their populations. The elites are less than ten percent of the population of the earth, and we have handed them control because we like personal comfort and the illusion of status. Where we go from here is anyone’s guess.
And preemptively, george227, you are a troll, right along with our beloved Selaz, Gigi, Anonymous, ‘Justice’ Holmes, etc. Some pf you might even be the same person. You folks always appear, as if by magic, in excess, right when the narrative becomes seemingly impossible to spin. At least on this site, nobody is buying it. Really. We are not buying it, and nothing you post will change that. Go over to Huffpo or Teen Vogue if you want to have an influence. The rest of us will do our best to live sane, compassionate, realistic, adult lives with real information we have had the temerity to find ourselves with an actual understanding of the principles involved and their implications, rather than being spoon fed by a media that is grateful you are a tool.
Did I hurt your feelings? Get over it. You find someone who takes facts to your political assertions, and the snowflake melting in the sunlight turns out to be just another drip.
If a man knows nothing, how can he hurt the feelings of another? You have already proven your broad lack of knowledge running away when challenged. Running away is probably the smartest thing you do.
Challenge me again. No wild nonsense.
No further challenges are necessary. You already proved your inability to do much better, but a challenge will again arise, and I surmise the same thing will happen.
Silly emotional retorts do not make intelligent posts. You make ridiculous assertions.
You keep proving your failures. Try spending time checking your work product before responding again.
I got all of the shots and, . . . . wait, . . I’m getting a message from Bill Gates.
Oh no, not a message from Bill Gates. Hope its not the Blue Screen of Death!
But seriously, the Biden regime’s forced vaccination policies, underpinned by government sponsored censorship and a complicit corporate media, are unconscionable.
Stop it. Were you not around for the polio shots? Smallpox vaccinations?
Polio and smallpox are a false equivalence.
So you join with the Biden regime’s forced COVID vaccinations? Of otherwise healthy young adults? Teenagers? Children? All enforced through government mandated censorship of contrary information and viewpoints?
I was around for the Salk vaccine. That one worked. Of course the world was a lot less political then.
Dr. Alton Ochsner. The Cutter incident. Bernice Eddy.
Great! Now you and the 6th Circuit turn your attention to the communist, American welfare state, which is completely unconstitutional – see Article 1, Section 8 restrictions on taxation and regulation, and the 5th Amendment right to private property.
The recent federal gay marriage legislation is a prime candidate for an Article 1, Section 8 commerce clause challenge.
Instead of leaving the question to the people of each state to decide, this pandering, politically motivated overreach piece of legislation could lead to a reform of our warped commerce clause jurisprudence. Jurisprudence that was triggered by FDR’s brazen threats to pack the Supreme Court.
RETAINED BY THE PEOPLE
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The right and freedom to marry is retained by the people, the documents of which should be retained by the County Recorder as are property deeds.
Where exactly is “marriage” law?
Where does the legislative branch obtain the power to legislate marriage?
Article 1, Section 8, provides NO power to regulate marriage, therefore, marriage regulation is unconstitutional.
Marriage is matrimony which is derived from the Latin word mater or mother, causing marriage to be an institution of motherhood, of which homosexuals are incapable.
Americans have the freedom of speech, derived from the freedom of thought, which includes the freedom of opinion, which constitutes the freedom of discrimination.
Americans enjoy the full freedom of accepting or rejecting anything they like, including nonsensical, incoherent and irrational homosexual, “gay” or “fake” marriage.
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
If an excuse is used indicating he had the files for researching information for his book, we’ll know that to be nothing more than another lousy excuse, because history has shown us the truth of facts is not a strong point for him.
Trump had 30,000 lies by actual count.
horehey227:
“Trump had 30,000 lies by actual count.”
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When WaPo calls you a liar, they’d know being a collossal liar itself. The suppressing of Hunters laptop story being just one of the more recent examples. So if you’re called a liar by a liar, what are you? In my book, you’re like Caesar’s wife.
Was she cute?
horehey227:
It was Caesar’s wife. Think he dated dogs?
How many illicit, essential lies did “Crazy Abe” spawn and perpetuate – lies that persist to this day?
The book excuse is probably correct.
But it is at best a mitigating factor. It is not a defense.
Most, not all classified documents found in peoples homes have been for the purpose of writing Books.
Petreaus, Berger, now Biden.
There is no “Book Deals trump the espionage act” case law.
It is hard for people to understand that EVERYTHING that applies to Trump regarding classified and government documents applies to Biden as exVP.
But somethings that Do Not apply to Trump apply to Biden.
Biden was not president until Jan 20,2021. Trump was president until Jan 20,2021.
The PRA does not apply to exVP Biden. ExVP’s have no rights to WH Documents classified or not.
VP’s have no authority to declassify. There is no question that marked classified documents in Biden’s possession are classified.
Trump’s documents were found in Locked closets in the Trump presidential offices at MAL. These are still Government spaces.
Gigi is correct that a pool locker at MAL is not. She is just incorrect that Documents were there.
The Biden Center is not by any conceivable argument a government secured space.
Biden’s garage in DE is not. I would need to know more about the documents found in his library. But those MIGHT not violate the law.
Conversely the doubly locked closet at MAL in the former presidents office, protected by the SS, is going to be a problem for DOJ.
As Turley has noted – there is no question the Biden documents were moved Twice.
Contra many here, we do not know that the Documents at MAL did not get there while Trump was President, or were not moved there as part of the transition by GSA. If either of those is true and Trump has not removed them from the former presidents offices – there is no violation of the espionage act even if they are still classified.
If Biden’s documents arrived at his DE home during his vice presidency or as part of the GSA moves in transition. There is no violation of the espionage act. But once they are moved from whereever GSA put them – which was NEVER the Garage or Biden center, that violates the espionage act.
JS – We should bear in mind that the Espionage Act refers to documents “relating to National Defense Information”, in my memory serves. I don’t thiink any court has, or could, equate mere classification with NDI. The EA was passed in a time of a declared war. It wil be difficult to make an espionage case against either Trump or Biden. That is why we are hearing reference to “obstruction” from Anonymous and others. In the absence of an underlying crime, you can always look for a “process” crime.
Really? Stealing government secrets is just a “process crime”?
Were the Rosenbergs killed for “process crimes?
The Espionage act defines NDI and that definition is consistent with the classification system.
Many have been prosecuted under the Espionage act for lessor offenses with classified acts.
Biden has serious problems – because the documents were inarguably moved.
Trump has multiple excellent defenses that Biden either does not have or has lost.
GSA moved the documents – I had nothing to do with it.
The documents were moved while I was in office.
The documents are not classified.
I am legally allowed to have classified documents in my ex-presidential office so long as I keep them secure.
The reason the left is ranting about obstruction is 3 fold.
They have no other case.
They do not understand the law on obstruction – they improperly equate using every legal avenue to thwart prosecution or assert innocence with obstruction.
They think Obstruction is refusing to kowtow.
It is unlikely either will get prosecuted – the Comey Standard is so high that DOJ will never meet it.
There is a paper file, that contains a #SCAR, (security clearance access roster) and also a log to show who accessed the documents, in question. It is not foolproof. When I had access to secret documents, under penalty of UCMJ, I was not allowed to read any documents, without a need to know order, signed by the commander, and the S-2. The problem was when civilians, got access, they seemed to think, they should have free access, without a need to know order, or their name on the SCAR. Evidently, it is still a problem. Securing secret documents, with your corvette, would probably get a lot of laughter, at your court martial.
I hate when I leave classified government docs in my car. Shoot.
Slohrss29. My wife is always on my case over those dam documentd.
I will bet you were never trusted with one. Prove me wrong.
Did Biden hire one or more ghost writers to work on his book? Were they given access to classified documents? Were they cleared?
Lysias—-and what about the ghost readers? 🙂
😂👍🏽
Estovir! I could have used that “thumbs up” emoji yesterday! Unfortunately, my tech equipment is like the rest of me: dinosaur-compatible.
To wit: I still use a flip phone…..and as they say, they’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands—LOL
Law professor Ryan Goodman:
If you discover you or your staff have inadvertently retained classified docs, this is indeed the way to handle situation to avoid criminal liability.
Immediately report it to the USG.
Immediately deliver docs to USG.
Immediately conduct exhaustive search.
That said, Qs remain. Some of the outstanding questions are relevant to the issue of any potential legal violations, while others are relevant to more general (ir)responsibility in mishandling classified documents even if not criminal.
These questions apply to both Trump and Biden.
It astounds me that the government doesn’t have better procedures for knowing where all classified docs are located and whether any that should have been returned to a central location have not been returned. Libraries around the country do a better job.
These questions apply to both Trump and Biden.
There is no comparison between the Constitutional power of the President, vs the Vice President.
Trump isn’t President.
Stop diverting. We are discussing he final days of an outgoing administration, But you know that.
No, that’s not what we’re discussing. That may be what *you* wish to discuss, but you replied to my comment, which was very much about the circumstances in which the documents were found and turned over or not.
If *you* wish to “discussing he final days of an outgoing administration,” you’ll have to find someone else to discuss it with, someone who wants to discuss your guesses about those final days. I’m not interested in discussing your guesses.
The statement is incompetent. Trump had and has powers the VP never gets. That is the point. I am sorry you are unable to understand these things.
Biden was Obama’s “point man”. His authority was the same as the President’s. That was established in the CFR video.
“inadvertently”?
Yeah, not intentional like rump, and they were not held until a judge had to get a court order to get them.
ATS hangs onto words to the point of absurdity. ‘inadvertent’, ‘obstruction’ ‘process’ etc. He is a phony.
He made a conditional claim. You did notice the “if,” right?
IF that’s what occurred, THEN the conclusion follows. IF that is not what occurred, THEN the conclusion does not follow.
AN -. It clearly was not inadvertent, so why even raise that possibility, except to cause confusion. Someone cannot suddenly discover documents in his house, garage and office after five years of looking at them.
The Government does have far better procedures.
These are followed scrupulously – if you are in the military.
You end up court martialed and in jail if you do not follow them.
These are generally followed by odinary government employees and defense contractors.
They lose their job if they are not followed and RARELY risk prison.
But as you climb the government ladder access to classified information become greater and the procedures become more lax.
Unmentioned in this is the Clinton Scandal. That was 1000 times worse than either Biden or Trump.
Given myriads of other prosecutions it is a complete shock that Clinton was not prosecuted.
Deutch was prosecuted, sentenced, and scheduled to go to jail when Clinton pardoned him.
Berger was convicted and paid a fine.
Both were far less egregious than Hillary.
Given Hillary was not prosecuted, there is zero chance Biden will be.
The claims against Trump are the weakest of all.
But Democrats probably could have swallowed a double standard, up until now.
There is no way to prosecute Trump without impeaching Biden.
Further this makes the entire Trump thing look political.
Worse Garland knew about this before the election.
He knew about this when he appointed a Trump SC.
On top of the Twitter files this looks alot like DOJ/FBI AGAIN rigging an election.
I see some snarky trolls have appeared. Let’s not feed them, hopefully they’ll move on
will they review the records that Biden donated/deposited with the University of Delaware? UD has been fighting FOIA requests about those records from several groups. there are close to 2,000 boxes of records from his time in the Senate.. no telling what is in those boxes
Judge scolds University of Delaware
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jun/22/judge-scolds-university-delaware-shielding-bidens-/
Three facts I’m reasonably sure of:
1. The govt routinely over classifies docs.
2. All administrations mishandle them.
3. Only lower level employees get punished for it.
There is no greater threat to democracy, itself, than dishonesty of high elected officials concerning matters of critical public interest, wars and rumors of war. .. imho intellectual honesty is ‘the foundation of every human affair.’
A few facts I’m reasonably sure of:
1. The gov routinely classifies, at the highest TS/SCI NO FORN EYES ONLY level, blatantly illegal and unconstitutional misconduct by the highest elected public officials and their immediate subordinates. .. if that means anything.
2. Depending upon their rank, the brave patriotic souls who disclose the truth about high official misconduct (aka ‘whistleblowers’) are typically charged under the 1917 Espionage Act .. . for which there is no public defense or legal recourse.
3. Never trust anyone above the rank of Vice Admiral. .. and watch your top knot.
didn’t they THROW Flynn in jail for much less?
No.
Off-topic: The Trump Organization has just been fined $1.6 million by a New York judge for running a 15-year tax fraud scheme.
!!!!!TRUMP!!!!!!!
You’re right, that is off topic.
Off topic but important.
By next year, Trump will be fighting to not get caged, . . like a dog.
Next year Donald Trump will be running to get re-elected.
Because neither the Judge nor the AG has a clue about taxes.
Regardless Trump will ultimately solve the problem by moving his business to a state that is not brain dead.
so China donated $12 Million to Upenn….Upenn GAVE Biden $3 Million! Probably just a coincidence! Our Enemies fund the Democrat party and their fascist actors!
Time to END federal aid and loans to colleges and to TAX all non-profits where ANYONE gets $100k…like all colleges, hospitals, Clinton fund scams and other non-profits bribery scams!
The reporting on ANONYMOUS Chinese donations to Penn started at $54 million, this morning I heard $30 miliion, and now you report $12 million. I am sure U Penn is furiously working to get that number to an even lower number. There are lots of fires the leftist cabal is working to get under control, this one they were late getting to, and we can count on the number to continue to decline.