President Joe Biden held a curious meeting in the Oval Office where he honored Tennessee legislators for “standing up” for democracy by preventing a legislature from continuing its work. He then magnified that mixed message by refusing again to answer questions from the media and dismissing them with a joke.
I have previously written that I did not agree with the vote to expel state Representatives Justin Jones and Justin Pearson, D-Tenn., though I felt that they warranted some form of sanction for stopping legislative work on the House floor. I simply believe that expulsion should be reserved for the most serious or repeated violations. What they did should have merited other forms of punishment from censure to suspension of legislative privileges.
Yet, President Biden brought them to Washington to celebrate their conduct in taking a bullhorn to a legislative proceeding to prevent others from voting on measures. Because they had insufficient votes to secure gun control, President Biden believes that they were justified in preventing legislative work to be done by the majority.
This is why American politics has become a simple matter of amplification.
The media largely ignored the contradiction of President Biden praising legislators for defending democracy by stopping the legislative process.
Rep. Gloria Johnson was also honored after she claimed that pure racism was the only reason why, as the only white member of the three, she was spared expulsion. That ignored distinctions raised by Johnson and her supporters during the debate that, unlike Jones and Pearson, she did not use a bullhorn; her counsel also insisted that she separated herself from the protesters. Johnson’s distinctions swayed one member to defeat expulsion, but Johnson then declared the result was evidence of sexism and racism: “pretty clear I’m a 60-year-old white woman, and they are two young Black men. I was talked down to as a woman, man-splained to.”
So, on Jan. 6th, if Republican members prevented the proceedings with bullhorns, would Biden have praised their standing up for Democracy? Would they have been justified to “shout down” speakers on the floor as they do on college campuses?
Of course, when Republicans decried a move to adjourn the House, then Speaker Nancy Pelosi simply had the lights turned off and microphones cut off.
She had a right to adjourn the house and she did not tolerate members who were trying to shout down the chair. Democratic members have repeatedly moved to sanction members for violating rules of decorum and conduct on the floor. One Democratic leader even abandoned the chair in disgust over such conduct:
Would those members have become “democracy defenders” if they had bullhorns?
It appears, however, that such disruptions will not occur at the Democratic primary debates: there are currently no scheduled debates. Democratic operatives have objected that the Democratic National Committee has not scheduled or planned for any debate despite two other candidates running in the primary. Nine Turner and others have denounced the position: “It’s simple — I believe in democracy, therefore I believe in debates. The DNC, RNC, and every third party should hold that same belief in a democracy. This isn’t a radical idea.”
No democrat debates because there is no longer a democrat party. It is the socialist party, you will be told what your choices are and you will like it.
Tony,
It is the socialist party.
That is what they keep telling us.
“We believe that everyone is equal that everyone should be given a fair shot to succeed in this country.”
-Biden’s re-election bid video.
That is rich coming from the admin who wants to make people with good credit scores pay for those with bad credit scores.
And making all those non-college educated people pay for others college debt or those who were responsible and paid theirs off.
Just my opinion: I think that Biden is running for re-election despite the polls, despite the fact that even the NY Times, CNN and NBC have all stated within the last week that he is too old (which, while true, is just a front to hide the fact that liberal policies are hated by vast majorities of voters) because he needs to remain in power to have the political juice to quash the investigations into him, his son and his family. He is doing a good job of killing all of the investigations with the help of Garland et al, but once he is a lame duck he will get crushed.
He runs… loses… he’ll get crushed all the same.
The Dims may object… but then there’s this guy Trump… he’s got a history of persecution by this administration.
So they can’t really cry foul. But they will.
The one thing Joe can do is pardon Hunter. Poof it all goes away. Except for state charges.
-G
HullBobby,
I am seeing people calling for Tucker Carlson to run for president.
Imagine how much fun that would be from the MSM and deep state if he did!
Upstate, I love the way you think! Keep up the good work on this great site.
Sorry, I beg to differ.
Whether Biden leaves on Jan 20,2025 or at some other time, he will pardon himself and his family on the way out the door.
Biden and his family are at zero actual risk of federal prosecution.
The test is not whether the Biden’s go to jail. That is not happening.
The critical corruption is NOT that of the Biden’s.
The test is of our institutions, of the DOJ, the FBI, the IRS and the rest of the federal govenrment,
And they are failing that test.
John Say,
I would agree with that.
They are not failing the “test”. They are not finding evidence that what they are being accused of is actually illegal. That’s the problem. Republicans have been crying foul over the “influence peddling” and “corruption” without any real substance to the charges other than insinuations and implied criminality. What is missing is evidence that backs up their accusations. Comer has admitted as much in a recent interview. They don’t have any real evidence of what they have been claiming. Those charges against Hunter Biden are pretty weak as a result of the years long investigation and money spent.
Svelaz
That argument would have atleast small weight if you were not as sure that Biden committed no crimes – where there is substantial evidence as you are that Trump or others on the right committed crimes when there is no evidence.
You are the biggest hypocrite here.
Beyond that – Government MAY NOT take sides in an election – that is both illegal and immoral.
That you are sufficiently ignorant that you do not grasp that is telling.
The acting director of the CIA at the request of Blinken in the Biden campaign wrote a FALSE letter favorable to Biden and recruited current and former intelligence officers to sign that – admittedly to influence the election, and to influence the debates.
This is blatantly illegal and unconstitutional.
The CIA, DHS and other alphabet agencies worked to acheive the censorship of political speech influencing an election – illegal and unconstitutional.
The Federal Government awarded grants to private entitites for the purpose of censoring political speech – illegal and unconstitutional.
Look at the list of crimes that Paul Manafort was charged and convicted of. For each and everyone there is more evidence of worse conduct by Hunter Biden – as well as the entire Biden clan.
We can discuss whether Hunter is not guilty of these crimes – when YOU admit that Manafort should not have been convicted.
Otherwise – Goose – meet Gander.
Further you are constantly abusing the word “evidence”. You keep confusing it with “proof beyond a reasonable doubt”.
The problem with the collusion delusion is that by Late Dec 2016 there was no EVIDENCE left to support an investigation of the Trump campaign.
The DOJ and FBI KNEW that the Steele Dossier and Alhpa bank claim were HOAXES, And that Papadoulis had not discussed Russians hacking the DNC with Downer. The investigation was ACTUALLY over – and yet it continued – THAT was a crime.
Conversely there is MOUNTAINS of evidence against the Bidens. We can debate wheter ALL of it rises to the standard of
“PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt. Though several criminal allegations such as the human trafficing. guin charges, tax evasion, and drug dealing all self evidently do.
I would further note that if there is no evidence of a crime – then Garland, Wray and company can appear before congress and say precisely that.
Every single time they refuse to testify about an ongoing investigation they are admitting that EITHER they are lying – as they did with the Collusion Delusion,
Or there OBVIOUSLY is evidence of a crime – because the constitution forbids investigations without evidence of a crime.
“That argument would have atleast small weight if you were not as sure that Biden committed no crimes – where there is substantial evidence as you are that Trump or others on the right committed crimes when there is no evidence.”
There is substantial evidence regarding Trump. However when talking about influence peddling, and making money from foreign companies we can be sure that Biden has not committed any crimes. Trump and family have done a lot of things that are no different than what the Bidens are accused of. Republicans never had an issue with the Trump family taking advantage of the family name and their position in government. That’s why the accusations against Biden are problematic. To say their actions are illegal or criminal would require republicans to admit that Trump’s own were also illegal and criminal. Clearly they won’t and don’t see them as such. That’s why they can’t prove the Biden “scandals” are what they allege they are when they know what Trump did was not.
Here is a Walk Don’t Run Video covering a number of Biden claims over the past 2 years.
Aside From Biden’s inability to make a claim twice in a row without contradicting himself, the claims are Typical of those of you on the left.
These claims are no different form the obviously absurd claims that that 51 former intel officials made.
Except that YOU rarely actually reference facts of any kind in your arguments, mostly just denying reality, spewing absurdities like there is no evidence against Biden and massive evidence against Trump – of course you know nothing about either.
Not only can’t Biden – like you keep his own claims straight – though atleast Biden TRIES to use Facts – unlike you. But the factual claims he makes are as much as a factor of 1000, of and almost always atleast a factor of 10 off.
The errors here are completely laughable – except that idiots like you – and Biden use completely bogus claims to pass laws.;
Do you really think it is a good thing that those deciding what are laws are going to be – either do not know or do not care about the facts ?
Of course you do – because YOU do not know and do not care about the facts.
There are lots of problems with Sagar’s analysis. But he does a pretty good job of Reporting unbeleivably Stupic policies the Biden admin is pushing.
The collapse of the housing bubble occured Because mortgage companies improperly priced Risk – Because interest rates were too low for too long, eventually the supply of people with good credit who wanted to buy homes was exhausted, and lenders started selling mortgages to increasingly higher risk buyers.
Had the interest rate for sub prime mortgages been as little as 1% higher – the housing bust would not have occured. Fewer high risk mortgages would have been written. fewer would have defaulted, and higher interest rates for higher risk mortgages would have covered the costs of those defaults.
And that is what is wrong with these changes that the Biden admin is making.
We do not want to encourage people who can not afford to buy a home to do so. When many of them fail as is highly likely – they will be WORSE off, not better.
People with good credit should get lower interest rates – because they are lower risk of defaulting. People with bad credit should pay higher rates – both because they are more likely to default and because they are better off NOT borrowing money they can not afford to pay back.
People with poor credit have poor credit BECAUSE they have made bad financial decisions in the past. Their credit score is nothing more than the probability that they will continue to make poor choices.
Government should not be in the business of encouraging people to make bad financial choices.
Regardless, the knuckle heads in the Biden admin are actively trying to repeat the mistakes that caused the 2008 financial crisis.
This step alone will not likely lead to a repeat of 2008. This step is too small – but doing MORE of this idioctic nonsense, will bring about another 2006 housing collapse followed by a financial crisis.
And lets remind idiots like you – bad credit does not actually punish those whose poor choices have gotten them in trouble. It limits their options preventing them from getting into further trouble.
The low rate mortgages that were offered like water to unqualified borrowers in the naughts were a very temporary boon for their “victims
– because that is what they were – victims. In far larger numbers that the rest of us those with poor credit lost their homes, lost any equity they had, and we set back a decade or more at the chance to own and KEEP a home. Bad credit can be fixed. Plenty of people will help you do that. But the means to do so are obvious – learn how to make careful and wise choices. Nearly all of us can learn that. Nearly all of use can get from bad credit to go credit. It is even possible to do fairly quickly if you can be truly responsible.
But government policies that reward bad habits and punish good ones will inevitably harm those they claim to help.
And that is the kind of nonsense that people like you advance.
You do not grasp that many many things are as they are for good reason. That most change makes things WORSE not better.
https://youtu.be/s6hqsu0WoR0
“There is substantial evidence regarding Trump. ”
No SVELAZ there is not.
There is really pretty much ZERO evidence of Wrong doing by Trump.
We have been through all of this many times.
There is no hidden evidence that has not beem discovered or made public regarding Trump.
We all know what Trump has done – pretty much all of which consists of thumbing his nose at the left.
And whether you like it or not – that is not a crime.
Conversely We are far from knowing all the evidence regarding Biden’s and democrats.
Getting what we have has been pulling teeth.
As the old adage goes – often the coverup is the crime.
Or at the very least is the easiest to prove crime.
There are myriads of Hatch Act violations
Members of the Executive Branch – except the President and Vice President may not take actions to influence elections.
The actions of the Acting CIA director in Oct 2020 violated the Hatch Act.
The actions of DHS/CIA/FBI and DOJ to censor political speech during the 2020 election violate the Hatch act AND the constitution.
I would note that Even the most benign claim of first amendment interference would still violate the hatch act.
Federal Government executive branch employees can not participate in elections. The can not influence them and they especially can not do so as part of their government paid activity.
I would note that this ALSO covers the Actions of various Private groups receiving Government funds. The Hatch Act Bars the executive branch from using federal funds to influence elections through private actors.
FURTHER the Hatch Act prohibits State and Local Government employees whose job involves even the smallest amount of federal Funds from influencing federal elections in their government role.
Put simply Federal money – whether to pay employees, to pay for resources, or to pay private or state and local govenrment can not be used to influence elections.
Yet that was absolutely done during the 2020 election.
That is a violation of the Hatch Act. It is election Fraud, it can be a crime, and covering it up is a crime.
The offer from the IRS Whistler blower is for testimony of obstruction as well as testimony and documentary evidence that a senior government official lied to congress about the investigation – that is CLEARLY a very serious crime. That may take a bit of time, because there are very strict rules regarding the IRS providing information about Tax Returns, and this WB is being very very very careful about that. They have not even told their lawyer anything that would be a problem.
This is of course in contrast to Democrats who weaponized the IRS under Obama to go after conservative groups, and who have leaked innumerable Tax Returns, at the request of the Obama WH, a process that was continued by the Judiciary Committee under Nadler going after and then leaking Trump’s tax return – something that has never happened before, and then continued into the Biden admin – where Tax returns are still be ing leaked for political benefit.
We are already seeing Democrats claiming the WB is violating the law – even though they have not as of yet said anything about Tax returns,
And despite the fact that Nadler has already established as legal precedent that Congress can go after IRS information on a single tax payer – again something NEVER done before.
Democrats are very vert vert good at violating norms of moral conduct that have never been breached before.
And then going ape$hit when Republicans tepidly follow.
Republicans particularly in the Senate have been Grilling DOJ over the protests in front of Supreme Court Justices homes – because that is a crime, and because DOJ is doing nothing while SWATTING people who protest at Abortion clinics – which is a less serious offence and where the criminal law is likely unconstitutional.
You can bar protests from private homes and from areas with limited public use. You can not bar protests from Public Accomidations.
Regardless, We now have leaked DOJ memo’s that directed US Marshalls NOT to arrest protestors at Justices Homes. That makes Garland and other DOJ officials who testified that DOJ left law enforcement to the discretion of the Marshall’s service.
Nor is this likely to be the only similar issue. There is a growing body of evidence that Fauxi perjured himself multiple times before Congress,
As well as evidence that Myorkas and DHS senior members also perjured themselves before congress.
There is a growing body of evidence of pattern and practice of Senior Biden officials perjuring themselves before congress and obstructing congressional oversight.
I would note that we had some of this under the Trump administration too – but in that instance it was efforts of those in FBI/DOJ and similar agencies to Lie to Congress and obstruct Justice regarding Oversight of the Collusion Delusion investigation. Rosenstein clearly perjured himself on multiple occasions.
And self evidently was in contempt of congress.
DOJ/FBI/SC Knew from before the inauguration that the whole Collusion Delusion was a Fraud a
Hoax. That should have been the end of it. Yet Mueller was appointed and we had an illegal and unconstitutional investigation lasting two years.
You do not seem to grasp that every single subpeona and Warrant that was issued was therefore a criminal abuse of power – one that has not been prosecuted.
Nor is this the extent of the clear Crimes that involve Bidens or democrats – Almost NONE of which are actually being investigated by Law Enforcement.
So we have a long list of ACTUAL crimes that are not being investigated -except by Congress. Concurrent with a long list of ongoing crimes being committed by the administration.
So, on Jan. 6th, if Republican members prevented the proceedings with bullhorns, would Biden have praised their standing up for Democracy? Would they have been justified to “shout down” speakers on the floor as they do on college campuses?
JT, using bullhorns to shout down speakers, blocking highways, burning down neighborhoods, police stations, censoring and doxxing opponents is only acceptable when used to promote “progressive” ideas and “Our Democracy(tm)”. And if you question the motives and goodness of these freedom fighters, you are a ‘nazi’ too (and yes, that includes you, JT.)
Sc@@w “Our Democracy(tm)”!
Hey, I wonder if Joe Biden will call to comfort the victims of b@@ck crime?
https://www.amren.com/podcasts/2023/04/will-joe-biden-call/
I do not want to understand, dialogue or reconcile with these people. I want a DIVORCE but my abusive spouse won’t let me go.
antonio
Nothing is stopping you from emigrating.
@anonymous
Few countries allow older individuals who are going to be a net burden on their social services to immigrate (legally or otherwise)…unlike the US.
But hey when La Raza eventually wants to break away in the US Southwest are you going to say to those disillusioned Hispanics that they can “just immigrate”? Bet you won’t, you’ll grovel and apologize at occupying “stolen land”. Of course, this grovel won’t require you to give up your suburban, upper middle class existence. Fortunately for s@@tlibs virtual signaling is enough to establish one’s “bone fides” as a good person.
antonio
LOL that you have such a weak argument that the only way you can win is by betting that people believe things that you project onto them.
@anonymous
So can I get that divorce??
Countries break up all the time and America’s breakup will eventually come.
The official policy of groups such as ‘La Raza’ and ‘La Voz de Aztlan’ is the reversion of the US Southwest to Mexico due to being unjustly taken in the Mexican war of 1845-48.
You will not oppose this as a good s@@tlib since Mexicans are only righting a historical wrong. And Mexicans are a righteous, historically oppressed group.
Now if heritage Americans want secession, that’s unconstitutional and must be stopped at any cost.
I want a divorce but my abusive spouse won’t let me leave.
antonio
Antonio,
Most countries dont just have a open, southern border like we do.
Take Portugal for example. You have to have a passport, prof of income (i.e. social security) or substantial savings to support yourself and prof of healthcare insurance. And you have to undergo a back ground check.
There is another program to help get you immigrated to Portugal Golden Visa program that establishes residency faster. Just requires you to buy real estate of 500,000 euros or more. Or real estate of 350,000 euros with the intent of refurbishing it.
Make a capital transfer of 1.5 million euros directly to the Portugal government.
We looked into it once.
Now, some countries that are facing a serious population crisis, like Italy are practically giving away property to young people. So, I am going to guess that would exclude you. Sorry.
@upstatefarmer
Thanks for the post. I’m quite familiar with the immigration policy of countries such as Portugal, Panama and Costa Rica, Canada and Australia.
antonio
I find it ironic that JT defends rules of decorum and civility being upheld in the courtroom or legislative chamber, but
in the public infospace, he rails against any such rules. No, the government cannot be the one to judge what passes for civility, but everyone else can and should. I applaud CNN for tossing Don Lemon. I think it’s great how Nicholas Sandmann prevailed over WaPo/CNN, the Sandy Hook families prevailed over InfoWars Alex Jones, and how Dominion socked it to Fox News.
The civil torts system is the model for deterring those who want to stretch the 1st Amendment beyond any reasonable check placed on Public Frauds. We need a faster torts system, specialized to deal with infowarriors,
because lies that are allowed to go unchallenged while important decisions are being made (elections, foreign policy) set the stage for serious, violent boondoggles, like the Iraq War, the summer 2020 riots, and Jan 6th.
All were fueled by demonization fomented with false narratives (public frauds).
Does anyone believe the 1st Amendment allows media-savvy actors to defraud the public in order to advance political goals? Thinking about “the consent of the governed”, if consent is obtained though trickery and deceit,
what is left of the Madisonian ideal? This logic impels us to harden our stance against Public Frauds, and to
strengthen deterrents against its use as a tool of political competition.
Biden is delusional, but the powers to be pretend this is normal.
It takes a certain authoritarian attitude to do what Democrats do so blatantly. They know that the liberal media will cover for them and that their base is too besotted with fear to think critically, so they never feel any consequences for their actions, and they just keep getting more extreme. But there’s always a tipping point.
Biden “honored Tennessee legislators for ‘standing up’ for democracy by preventing a legislature from continuing its work.” (JT)
So using violence to commandeer a legislative process is wrong — unless you’re a “D.”
Haven’t we seen that movie before?
And haven’t we seen the one where the ends (a naked lust for power) justifies the means — an obvious contradiction and double standard?
Praises them, yet ignores the families of those killed.
And ignores East Palestine OH.
The Southern border.
Stay classy.
Currently it is being reported the DNC is NOT going to hold any debates despite there being two challengers.
Is that democracy?
“. . . the DNC is NOT going to hold any debates . . .”
It’s the rope-a-dope strategy.
They have their dope, who they’ll keep roped in the basement.
Sam,
Nothing says leadership like announcing your bid for re-election like a pre-scripted, edited, video.
Initially I was doing the facepalm that the so-called adults in the room were going to prop him up as electable. But knowing they are mostly Obama admin apparachiks and are desperate to keep power, they will just run the campaign from the basement figuring, “Why not? It worked last time!”
Actually, this could be fun to watch. Watch how his handlers keep him from any serious debates, or interviews. And the few interviews he will do, will be soft ball questions and tongue baths from friendly MSM.
Could be fun to watch his challengers run circles around him, with independent media pointing out the facts all the while MSM ignores the obvious.
How will they handle a debate against the Republican nominee? Or will they pull a Katie Hobbs?
I might have to buy stock in popcorn!
@Upstate
My thoughts, too. They might as well be releasing this stuff through Hollywood in movie theaters or streaming on Roku at this point. Unfortunately, we have generations that have been trained to respond to precisely that. One thing the dems do well is to convince their constituents that they are ‘celebrities’, and alas, a great many people on this earth think that means anything whatsoever (I promise, Beyonce still sits down to go to the bathroom). I guarantee you AOC’s constituents are looking at her exposure and her ‘likes’, not her accomplishments. Social media has not helped in this regard. 🙄 We are partly dealing with a rewiring of the human brain, IMO, even on the part of many older folks. Thanks for your comment.
This really is beginning to resemble Robespierre more and more with every passing day with the modern left. Said it before, will say it again: modern dems – you are NOT voting for JFK anymore, or in other countries, even what used to be Labour, in the 21st century. You are basically bringing the Cold War right into our neighborhoods by voting dem. Get the heck out of your bubbles, already, and open your eyes.
As an aside: my wife and I have officially sold our house, had an offer accepted on a new one, and are getting the heck out of our blue dumpster fire in a few weeks. We will not be coming back, and neither will our tax dollars be.
James,
Well said.
My sister is a Dem. I am amazed at how little informed or much she is misinformed.
Then again, she says she only reads the headlines. I think she is fully aware of how messed up the Democrat party is and what a mess the Biden admin is, but prefers to be in denial.
Congratulations on selling the house!
“How will they handle . . .”
Since Biden doesn’t know what day of the week it is, it wouldn’t surprise me if they trotted out an AI-generated ‘Biden.”
Somewhere, Caligula’s horse is smiling. He’s now #2 on history’s list of most insane political pranks.
. . . and how about moving the dates of the primaries to help Biden?
The woke left can always act out their rage and it’s ALWAYS standing up for Democracy. Always. Conservatives however run the risk of getting investigated for “hate speech”. I would start investing in companies that manufacture bullhorns as I’m sure that business will be brisk from now until election day next year.
They’re just tired of all the gang violence in the ghettoes in memphis. with gun control laws, it is easier for the cops to put away the crook and the mugger and the carjacker and the gang member.
By the way, why is it that the Black Lives Matter is silent about the violence in Memphis?
Same reason why they are silent about Chicago.
Did you see Bill Maher ask the hard question,
Maher: “Most of the shootings [in Chicago] are young black men killing other young black men. Is that not correct?”
Guest: “Yeah that’s correct.”
Maher: “Okay, much more than what the cops do. Why doesn’t anybody talk about that? Why aren’t there a hundred giant black celebrities who would have the respect of those people saying what are you doing to yourselves? Why are you killing each other?”
“The media largely ignored the contradiction of President Biden praising legislators for defending democracy by stopping the legislative process.”
They ignored it for a simple reason. There are stark differences between disrupting the legislative process thru violence, threatening legislators with hangings, assaulting police officers, and attempting to keep a president in office by subverting the votes of millions vs. Using a bullhorn. The differences are clear a night and day.
Turley should be blaming Republicans for giving Biden an opportunity to use their stupid decision to punish using the most extreme measure to his their advantage. Republicans were the tyrants and the democrats successfully exploited that image. Now those two legislators are guaranteed to be voted back in office by even greater margins and put the republicans in their place by letting them know that there’s a constituency that they answer to.
Tennessee house Democrat Justin Jones assaulted a driver and faced serious charges for other misconduct committed while attending violent protests in the summer of 2020. Footage of rioting outside the state Capitol show Jones repeatedly hitting the driver of a car with a traffic cone.
https://www.scoopnashville.com/2021/06/brother-jones-says-he-wasnt-violent-but-new-video-shows-he-was-and-the-grand-jury-agrees/
Jones was charged with assault, assault on an officer, and reckless endangerment, for which he was indicted on two counts after the video was presented to the grand jury in his case. Despite his violent behavior, Jones claimed in June 2021 that he was being “peaceful” and claims to the contrary were a “false narrative.” This is what Biden embraces: violence wins. This isnt new information
He deserved to be expelled.
he’s no different than the 5/29ers and the 1/6ers
That was three years ago. What does that have to do with the non-violent disruption in the legislature? It does not change anything. Republicans still overreached in their attempt to punish the legislators. They created martyrs instead.
Svelaz, so it’s ok if he assaulted an innocent driver as long as it was THREE WHOLE YEARS AGO? You will defend anyone on the left and it is moronic.
HullBobby,
It is as you said earlier, we live in the land of Doublestandardtsan.
When the left does it, it is okay.
Hullboby, no. Nobody is sayin it’s ok. Not even I. What I AM saying is that it was a different event at at different time that has no relevance to what happened at the state legislature this year. None. It does not change the fact that what Republicans did was overkill and many republicans including few posters who usual side with republicans agreed it was indeed overkill. Nice strawman by the way.
So what you are saying is that past misconduct should not be considered.
Svelaz do you think about your arguments before making them.
Respect is something earned – it is not an entitlement.
Trust is something earned – it is not an entitlement.
Good credit is something earned – it is not an entitlement.
We weigh past good and bad conduct when evaluating people in the present.
We do so because those who earned our trust, respect, credit, as highly likely to continue to act such as to deserve that trust, respect, credit.
People can sometimes get past the mistakes of their past – depending on how egregious they were, but doing so is and should be very hard.
It is and should be harder to regain trust, respect, credit, than it is to gain it in the first place.
“So what you are saying is that past misconduct should not be considered.
Svelaz do you think about your arguments before making them.”
Again, strawman arguments only serve to prove you don’t have an argument. I’m saying that particular event is irrelevant to the one that occurred in the TN legislature. You’re trying to judge the individual in past actions that have no relevance to the one he participated in. You want use it as an excuse to justify the extreme punishment. You agreed that the republicans overreached in their punishment of those two legislators.
Republicans effectively made them more popular and relevant thanks to their need to severely punish.
“I’m saying that particular event is irrelevant to the one that occurred in the TN legislature”
And you are wrong. ALL past conduct is relevant.
We send people to jail for life who do one bad thing – Murder someone.
We also send people to jail for life, if they committ a long enough series of less violent crimes.
You can go bankrupt from one huge bad financial decision or a long string of small ones.
The past is ALWAYS relevant.
There is no straw man.
“You agreed that the republicans overreached in their punishment of those two legislators.”
No I said that expulsion was too harsh a punishment for THIS single instance of misconduct.
I recomended something less, with the ful expectationt hat these two legislators would F$%K up again and THEN get expelled.
I was not aware at that time of the long history of misconduct of these two legislators.
Republicans did NOT over reach.
“Republicans effectively made them more popular and relevant thanks to their need to severely punish.”
Which speaks poorly of those who are standing behind them.
We listened to You rant about J6 for 2 years.
This was worse.
Trump stayed within the law and constitution, Republicans in congress stayed within the law and constitution.
The overwhelming majority of J6 protestors stayed withint the law and constitution.
These legislators repeatedly violated the rules of the TN legislature.
There actions were criminal – Disorderly conduct.
The alternative is to criminally charge them – is that what you want ?
Regardless, Why are you stupidly defending their conduct ?
Should Republicans senators start doing the same thing to either Force the Senate to take up legislation Republicans want ?
Or to thwart legislation Democrats want ?
You do not ever think about the possibility that your ideology might tomorrow be the victim of conduct you defend.
That is called stupidity and hypocrisy.
A judge who sentences a juvenile to life in prison for murder engages in overkill.
That offense is still FAR LESS than that of the juvenile who murdered someone.
Precisely what Punishment the TN legislators who disrupted to the legislature deserve requires inquiry – includingserious inquiry into past bad conduct of all kinds.
But even if their past conduct was as pure as ivory soap – their MUST be a consequence
otherwise we have anarchy.
Regardless, you can hold whatever view you wish regarding the merits of the punishment of these legislators.
Praising them is still repugnant. Particularly as you are prosecuting J6 protestors by the thousand.
I am hard pressed to think of a single J6 protestors that was more disruptive than these legislators. Certainly there were not hundreds.
Yet people who merely walked through he capital are facing years in prison.
That is overkill.
Being in the TN legislature is not a right.
Liberty is.
“Because they had insufficient votes to secure gun control, President Biden believes that they were justified in preventing legislative work to be done by the majority.”
No, President Biden supported their intent. They were protesting the TN legislature’s lack of action on the gun problem. The two legislators knew they didn’t have the votes, but they were not going to stand idly by and do nothing. They joined their constituents who DID what something done. The disruption of the legislative process was only going to be temporary and they knew that. What ensued was the petty need to level punishment far in excess of what it needed to be because they were black and needed to be punished more severely than they would have to someone else who was not. That is consistent with what is often described as “systemic racism” the unequal and often harsher punishment given based on race. Tennessee republicans demonstrated that to a “T”. The upside is that they unwittingly made them martyrs for their cause and sullied the enduring republican image of pettiness and racist tendencies.
The gun probl;em is caused by violent gangs in the Memphis ghettoes.
Wasn’t it the Democrats who sowed mistrust of the police?
. They were protesting the TN legislature’s lack of action on the gun problem.f
Hey Stupid. These guys ARE the legislature.
There is centuries old procedures on how to build coalitions to write and pass legislation. These three are ignorant and lazy. They cant, do what is needed because the don’t understand how, and are too lazy to learn. Change comes from the inside. If not the process devolves to shouting and nothing happens. That’s what these three are crashing into. The legislature unable to debate and negotiate, because they have poisoned the well of good faith debate.
Republicans overreached when they voted to expel those two legislators. Even Republicans agreed with that. The problem is not just the fact that their actions were disruptive, but those of the majority were petty as well.
Turley ignores a more important issue. Their disruption was thru peaceful means and they were joining their constituents in protesting the legislature’s lack of action on the gun problem. Bullhorns was the least of their problems. The idea behind their expulsion was much more clear. They were sending a message to them to “know your place”. Tennessee is well known for it’s racist past and this was no exception. Turley skirted the issue by framing it as punishment gone awry. This was also a freedom of speech issue which Turley conveniently omits. Those legislators shut them up by expelling them instead for sanctioning or removing them from committee assignments if they had any.
This has become typical of Republican supermajorities which have become petty and vindictive over the minority which is quite ironic since it’s the thing they often complain about when they are in the minority.
They are doing the same thing in Montana with Rep. Zoey Zephyr Montana’s first openly Trans legislator. For the last three days the Republican leadership has refused to let her speak because they somehow offended the leadership when she criticized a bill they were proposing. Republicans are literally infringing on her free speech rights over petty grievances over what she said about the proposed bill. Now they are demanding an apology and won’t let her speak until she apologizes. Making matters worse and even more petty republican legislators are purposefully misgendering her which is not only disrespectful, but also hypocritical given their demands that she apologize for offending their sensibilities. Unsurprisingly Turley doesn’t seem like he’s going to be addressing that issue, an issue that clearly falls under “attacks on free speech”. It seems Turley’s massive hypocrisy continues.
Biden is busily destroying all that was ever good about America. The climate crisis is a hoax; its endgame to divest ordinary Americans of anything that may bring us joy. They feed porn to our children in elementary school, teachers, with Biden’s blessing, are grooming kids to change their sex. They have taken our muscle cars and will come next for our pickups. They have sounded the warning about us having pets and just yesterday John Kerry said a ‘climate emergency’ would destroy our farms. Believe it; they seek to increase their already prodigious wealth by taking what little we have. Voting for Biden will allow him to finish off our Republic., probably forever.
in the 1930’s you had German Brownshirts, Italian Blackshirts Fascists
In the 2000’s you have Rainbowshirt Fascists of the Democrat Party
Same basic principal…centralized power across gov, law, justice, healthcare, business, tech, media, banking, etc
We need to remove the Democrat money…cut federal government 50%, move it from DC 75% to heartland, end federal aid to cities and colleges, tax all non-profits where anyone gets $100k+…like Colleges! Outlaw public Unions from political activity or end Public Unions. TAKE AWAY THEIR MONEY! And jail every person for the biggest crime in US History…the Russian Hoax…Hillary, Obama, across the FBI, CIA, DOJ, MSM, etc Conspiracy is a CRIME!
Only in our new land of Doublestandardtsan would we have Biden inviting these two “insurrectionists” to the WH for a lame meeting. Only with the left’s hold on the media can such morbid stupidity be delivered to the masses with a shamelessness that has never been seen before. Just yesterday the nuts on the left rioted at the Montana State House because another Trans person was called out for calling saying colleagues have blood on their hands. In other words, this insanity has now hit Tennessee and Montana with not one ounce of repercussions for the leftists…as Jan 6 folks languish in prison.
On another note, one of the TN guys is on video stopping cars in a street riot while threatening drivers and the other guy has video of him, in what seems like a much lighter hue, with a short hair cut, a neat Brooks Bros type of suit and a distinctly main stream manner of speaking asking to be elected on campus as a middle of the road conciliator. He has become darker, or so it surely seems, he now has a 1960’s afro, he now wears clothes that are anything but Brooks Bros and oddly enough now has a southern accent and a MLK manner of speaking. In other words he is a complete phony. How do you develop an accent in your 30s?
As for the woman protestor, she was going to be expelled with the men but she argued that unlike the men she did not use a bullhorn, she separated from the rioters and did not act to disrupt the proceedings the way the men did. When the House agreed with her she turned around and called them racist…for agreeing with her argument.
“The media largely ignored the contradiction of President Biden praising legislators for defending democracy by stopping the legislative process.”
That’s almost the same as ignoring the contradiction of claiming to be for free speech and freedom of the press while ignoring Garbage Fox’s firing of Tucker Carlson for daring to say things with which a large percentage of the public agrees.
At 53 Years old, Tucker Carlson has been put through the ringer just as many of Us have these past decades.
[See His Wiki Page; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson ]
He has worked on the ‘Inside’ of what many would simply call-it “The System”, Indeed he was born into it by his Father.
His changing Political affiliations are fitting for his genera, Democratic (2006–2020), Republican (since 2020).
Don’t read-into-it to much about his leaving Rupert Murdoch’s (age 92) News Corp empire (son (age 51) Lachlan Murdoch’s Executive Chair and Chief Executive Officer of Fox Corporation ~ Heir apparent).
At Tucker’s age, One is still looking to evolve, He’s NOT out-of-the-game, in fact if Keith Rupert Murdoch (age 92 years) is any indication of staying-power, He’s just getting warmed up in My opinion.
Good Luck Tucker.
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It’s a long long Road … Jonathan
They’ll try to break Us at every winding turn – They Won’t
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch (age 92 years)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Turley (age 61 years)
How’s about taking over for Tucker?
Just Say’in 😉