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Rubin and Tribe Under Fire for Using the Massacre in Israel for Bizarre Attacks on Political Figures

In academia, one of the most common criticisms in research and discussions is that correlation does not mean causation. It refers to the logical fallacy for some who draw a cause-and-effect relationship between two events. The logical fallacy is captured in the Latin phrase cum hoc ergo propter hoc (‘with this, therefore because of this’). With the horrific attacks on Israel this week, some well-known commentators have been criticized for using the killing of hundreds by Hamas as a criticism of conservative figures or Republicans in general. That includes the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin who appeared to blame the GOP for inviting the attack and Professor Laurence Tribe who suggested (and later retracted) that the war was actually a “wag-the-dog” operation by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to distract from corruption allegations.

Rubin (who goes by the moniker “Jennifer Truthful, Not Neutral Rubin”) immediately attempted to use the attack as another attack on Republicans: “How about this: With US House in chaos and US military promotions on hold, Hamas struck. Republicans’ weakness invites terror.”

Putting aside the effort to use this tragedy as a political cudgel domestically, Rubin ignores the fact that the motion to vacate the chair succeeded due to a unanimous Democratic vote and just eight dissenting Republicans. The Democrats wanted to vacate the chair even though McCarthy was being criticized by the dissenters for working with them and they will now likely receive a far more strident speaker.

Rubin has also called for expelling Republican members, who voted against certifying the 2020 election. She further declared that “we have to collectively, in essence, burn down the Republican Party. We have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again.”

The Washington Post has repeatedly failed to take down or correct columns containing false claims by Rubin. Instead, it has run her calls to end impartiality and neutrality in journalism.

Now Rubin is suggesting that Hamas decided to launch this massive attack because there is an acting Speaker in the House until next week. It appears that Hamas was just waiting for the motion to vacate to pass.

Laurence Tribe immediately used the massacre to attack Netanyahu. Citing the Washington Post, Tribe wrote “Is Netanyahu wagging the dog of war to take attention away from his own war on the independent judiciary? Can anyone put that past him?”

The response was fast and furious. It was even too much for figures like Keith Olbermann who condemned Tribe stating, “Well this is a moronic and indefensible POV.”

What was striking is that the media finally called out Tribe, who has regularly posted bizarre legal theories and personal attacks against conservative figures, including attacking Bill Barr (erroneously) over his faith. On MSNBC and other outlets, Tribe regularly makes profane or personal attacks against those who hold opposing views of constitutional interpretation, including myself. These attacks include false assertions that had to be later corrected.

These controversies highlight the need to restore an element of maturity and civility to commentary. The “everything-goes” mentality has now taken hold of major media outlets, which regularly feature trash talking and sensational claims. If the target of these attacks is a conservative or Republican, there is a sense of license to remove the safeties in public engagements.

Once again, it is possible to restore a modicum of civility and accuracy in our public discourse. All it takes is for people of good faith to turn away from the rage and return reason in our commentary.

 

602 thoughts on “Rubin and Tribe Under Fire for Using the Massacre in Israel for Bizarre Attacks on Political Figures”

  1. Jews like Rubin and Tribe are of the same ilk as those Bolshevik American Jews who were against the rearming of Great Britain so long as the Stalin Hitler nonaggression pact was in place. They are demented

    1. Why do you say, “Jews like”? Do you say, Catholics like, Protestants like, Baptists like? Do you get the point?

      1. Let me help. The word is BIGOT, and they’re everywhere. Save your virtue signaling horsesh!t for the feeble minded people you pal around with.

  2. If Turley actually has anything to do with this fraudulent website — and I seriously doubt it — he needs to find himself an honest webmasterr and fire the one that currently manipulates the comment section beyond all recognition with the help of a few selected apparently-paid trolls.

    Currently (and previously) this website bears ZERO resemblance to Turley’s claimed status as a “free speech advocate” due to manipulation of content such that people are defamed by Turley’s trolls and not permitted to respond to their lies and misrepresentations. There is literally nothing about the free speech that Turley claims to support that is practiced here in Turleyville under its resident webmaster.

    1. I have had several comments blocked today, mostly countering Dennis’ lies. Its bizarre.

    2. Pretty sure turley doesnt even write the intro’s to his columns. The webmaster does.

      1. I emailed Turley a BIG bunch of times back in 2018, and never once received a reply or even an indication that he read the emails.

  3. Mehdi Hasan:
    This conflict for me has always been about morality.

    Morally, you cannot justify the killing of Palestinian civilians, even if you say it’s fighting terrorism.

    But morally, you also cannot justify the killing of Israeli civilians, even if you say you’re fighting occupation.

        1. They nobody, it was sarcasm about the USA excuses.

          When I was thinking about that the Ghost of Kiev flew overhead.

    2. “Morally, you cannot justify the killing of Palestinian civilians . . .”

      The hell you can’t.

      Any “innocent” deaths is on the hands of the perpetrators — Iran’s proxy terrorists, Hamas. Which barbarians are well known for using “innocents” as shields.

  4. Thomas Friedman Fingers Netanyahu’s Divisive Agenda

    As this column has been pointing out ever since he came back to power, Netanyahu’s politics of division have done terrible damage to Israel. Bibi prioritized a judicial putsch to strip the Israeli Supreme Court of its power to oversee his government — over all other priorities. In the process he fractured Israeli society and its military. And people have been warning for months how dangerous this could be. Just this week I quoted a former director general of the Israeli Defense Ministry, Dan Harel, telling a Tel Aviv democracy rally that “I have never seen our national security in a worse state”.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/opinion/israel-hamas-attack-friedman.html

    ……………………………………

    Thomas Friedman is a Pulitzer Prize winning writer widely considered an expert on Israeli-Arab issues.

    1. Attacking the victim. How typical of today’s left. They did that after 9/11 too. I remember how the left said it was America’s fault. I read the articles

      You are an evil and disgusting person and so is Thomas Friedman. The NY Times of today is the haunt of jackals and demons. Naturally it’s writers win Pulitzers, like they do for hoaxes that they portray as real.

      1. Recall that the NYT kept the Pulitzer Prize after Walter Duranty’s egregious reporting where he defended Joseph Stalin starving millions and millions of Soviets

        Bari Weiss articulated all too brilliantly, in her letter of resignation to Arthur Gregg Sulzberger, what a dumpster fire the NYT has become….because it is

        1. Estovir, are you and your puppets denying the divisions in Israel? Those giant demonstrations were just a mirage?

          1. “. . . denying the divisions in Israel?”

            In the face of an invasion, murders, kidnappings (including of Israeli children) — what kind of creatures focus on that?!

            (A rhetorical question)

    2. Thomas Friedman is also widely considered a hack and a fraud. The NYT has a number of them working there, not limited to Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman, who parlayed his Nobel Prize into a column where, when I used to read the NYT, he never wrote about economics nearly as much as he wrote about politics — a subject having nothing to due with his alleged area of expertise.

  5. “What fresh hell can this be?”

    – Dorothy Parker
    ___________________

    – The Axis of Evil and America are eye to eye and the U.S. just Blinkened

    – Joke Buydem donates $6 billion to Iran’s War Chest

    – The U.S. Congress is decapitated

    – Iran invades Israel by proxy

    – Israel is compelled to destroy Gaza rescuing Israeli and American hostages

    – Russia is flooded with North Korean weapons and ammunition, and chomping at the bit in Ukraine

    – China is salivating at Taiwan’s border, having roughed up the Philippines

  7. Biden’s Handlers released $6 Billion for Iran’s consumption in exchange for hostages. The DNC talking points were released to the White House subsidiary organization (aka the “press) 2 days ago, and their whataboutism’s and insistence on “contracted negotiations” have been circling the planet faster than Chinese spy balloons over CONUS and illegal aliens waltzing across the US Border. Biden’s Handlers / MSM insist that the $6 Billion funds are restricted to acquiring food and medicine, much like BLM grifters leaders raised millions of dollars to sponsor programs to supposedly distribute food, medicine & humanitarian aid for blacks experiencing hardship, and also to purchase million dollar mansions in white neighborhoods educational scholarships at Center for Anti-Racist Research, (DBA: Bling Bling Goes da Grifter, LLC) headed by Ibram X. Kendi.

    Comes now the mullahs in Iran with their reply to Biden: Lets Go Brandon

    Iranian Lawmaker Says Part Of Freed Funds Will Go To Central Bank

    A senior Iranian lawmaker said Friday that part of Iran’s $6 billion released by the United States must go to the central bank to cover money already spent. Mohammad-Reza Pourebrahimi, the chairman of the Iranian parliament’s economic committee was quoted by local media as saying that part of Iran’s freed assets needs to be directly deposited to the Central Bank of Iran, as the previous government of President Hassan Rouhani has spent the amount to cover government’s expenditure.

    The United States allowed South Korea in August to release the funds blocked due to US sanctions in exchange for five US citizens held hostage by Iran. However, the Biden administration has been insisting that the funds can only be used by Iran to import food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs….

    However, earlier this week, Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi told NBC News that the money will be spent on whatever the Iranian people need. “This money will be budgeted for those needs and the needs of the Iranian people will be decided and determined by the Iranian government,” Raisi insisted.

    https://www.iranintl.com/en/202309159160

    how much Falafel nuclear missile capability can $6 Billion acquire? The world is about to learn

    [Stage Left, Joseph Biden can be heard saying I did that! ]

    1. Estovir– As I mentioned today in an earlier post, even if the $6 billion is spent by Iran on food and medicine, that frees up other money the mullahs have to spend as they wish, i.e. sponsoring terrorism. In response to that comment, Mary wrote one of the most chilling things I’ve read: “Spot on. Judges 16:30”. I hope Iran reads it before the leaders get too excited about wiping out Israel.

      1. I saw the Judges comment as well and had to search for it. Chilling!!!

        The Iranian leaders are as trustworthy as Joseph Biden and Lawrence Tribe combined, sprinkled with CNN, and Washington Post added as a red cherry on top. Do you follow me? 😉

        I dont know what is more insulting: Antony Blinken thinking his word is worth more than a grain of sand from the Sahara Desert, or Lawrence Tribe thinking he is relevant anymore. Perhaps I understate.

        The Iranians are going to use the $6 Billion to beef up their nuclear capability to destroy Jews and Americans. Eventually they will destroy each other because that is who they are

        Judges 16:30

        30 Then Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” And he pushed with all his might, and the temple fell on the lords and all the people who were in it. So the dead that he killed at his death were more than he had killed in his life.

        New King James Version

      2. Sanctions have caused no shortage of medicine in Iran. It is the same bullsheet with the Communists in Cuba dating back to Fidel Castro blaming all of their woes on the Cuban Embargo by America. Fidel Castro was a billionaire when he died, not that Barack Obama did his homework, being a law instructor adjunct in his prime. Ditto for Biden’s Handlers. They just believe in providing cover and resources for dictators and tyrants

        I hope that Jews in America pay back Biden and all Democrats at the election polls for enabling the terror that Hamas visited upon Israel, compliments of Biden’s $6 Billion to Iran to beef up their nuclear capabilities

        Corruption, Not Sanctions, Is Causing Medicine Shortages in Iran
        https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2020/10/14/corruption-causing-medicine-shortages-in-iran/

        The next economic shock and round of mass demonstrations could come at any time. By playing up medical shortages, the regime hopes to secure a financial lifeline such as the $15 billion line of credit the French government suggested last year as an incentive for Iran to comply with the 2015 nuclear deal. Even better for the regime would be a new administration in the United States prepared to re-enter the nuclear deal, which would entail lifting all the toughest sanctions. Yet just as the regime hid its nuclear archive while feigning compliance with the deal, it seeks to divert attention from corruption at the highest levels while pleading for sympathy.

          1. So they got a loan based on the impending payment.

            Seriously, you just said that?

              1. “Biden’s $6 Billion Ransom Payment to Iran Fuels Their Terror Machine”

                – James Phillips, Visiting Fellow, Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies, The Heritage Foundation, Sep 27, 2023

              2. I understand now why you use Aninny as a moniker.

                You are a prevaricator, equivocator, fraud, and liar, and you really, really need to evade responsibility for that, don’t you.

                Oh, and Qatar is the epitome of honesty and virtue, right?

      3. The money sits in a restricted account in Quatar, and HASN’T BEEN TOUCHED. Republicans need to stop telling this lie. Jen Psaki corrected a Republican member of Congress on this just the other day. When he was confronted with the fact that the money did NOT go directed to Iran, but was in a restricted account in Qatar, the alternate lie of “it freed up other money to use to support Hamas attacking Israel”. That, too, is a lie because the funds are still on deposit.

  8. This website is a complete fraud giving lie to Turley’s claims of being a “free speech advocate.”

    1. He goes further than that. He says “I am admittedly someone who has been called a free speech absolutist. While I do accept some limits on free speech, it is certainly true that I tend to oppose most criminalization, censorship, and regulation of speech.” He does not spell out what censorship of legal speech he favors, but it’s clear that he has Darren delete legal speech here.

      1. Darren deletes comments and replies in BULK QUANTITY, sometimes even after they’ve been posted for a while and received upvotes, not because the deleted comments are offensive or even controversial, but because they apparently disagree with Darren’s own preferred narrative or the statements of privileged trolls like Thinkitthrough and Upstatefarmer who then go on to lie about the deleted posts.

        1. The mind boggling thing is how on gods green earth you are still allowed to utter a single word here. You are nothing but a vulgar POS bent on projecting your sorry existence on as many as you can.
          Your inability to engage with any modicum of reason is evidenced by your characterization to the two you called trolls.

  9. Banned, but still on the net the ignorant anonymous said, “The majority of commenters here are your typical right wing arm chair blowhards that are full of assumptions and ignorance.”

    One can find faults with every human being and every nation. Israel has them, but you have magnified them in the fashion of a typical anti-Semite. Moreover, you don’t know what you are talking about.

    The wars should have ended in 1948, but it sounds like you would prefer the German solution brought to the Middle East by the Grand Mufti; kill all the Jews.

    You are disgusting and ignorant.

    1. He hates armchairs because they aren’t as comfortable as the sofa that his parents let him sleep on.

    2. Which “anonymous” are you talking about? There are dozens of them here, and this degenerate crapsite uses that vehicle to create confusion and accuse some of posting comments that were posted by others.

    3. Pointing out Israel’s faults becomes antisemitic when it uses double standards, demonization, and delegitimization (the three Ds), which often happens.

      1. I didn’t see anyone refute the snowdens claim that GAZA is an open air prison.
        I also already read that Israel has or is cutting off the food and water and electricity, so harsh and starve 2 million, right in line with USA policy which back at least as far as Madelline Albright was totally endorsed for murdering half a million Iraqi children – on air.

        I don’t claim to know who is as fault, but I buy the Israel whines as much as I buy Biden whining to the last Ukranian and Putin must go and the 20 billion spent in Moscow to remove him that Nuland testified failed when the 2014 overthrow for 5 billion in Ukraine did not.

        So who is the dirtiest ? Remember, half the USA are now terrorists according to our mafia master in office.
        orange man bad
        putin bad
        all magas bad
        palestinains bad
        hamas bad

        I do see a pattern.

        1. “I didn’t see anyone refute the snowdens claim that GAZA is an open air prison.”

          It is a lie. The prison, if you wish to call it that, is Hamas-created.

          “I also already read that Israel has or is cutting off the food and water and electricity, so harsh”

          You forget.

          Working under the direction of Hamas, the terrorists crossed the border and killed women and children while taking many as hostages to use as human shields. Hamas uses its own people as human shields, placing their missiles and command centers in schools and hospitals.

          None of this occurs naturally. Hamas planned a bloody ISIS-like terrorist attack, forcing the people of Gaza to live with the aftereffects. Hamas caused the people of Gaza to live in a war zone.

          During WW2 the Germans were running out of fuel. Did you expect the Russians, British, or Americans to send it to them?

    4. Another example of the small minded vulgarity of bug. Consistency is definitely his strong suit.

    5. Intentionally magnifying the faults and not doing the same to others demonstrates a bias, prejudice and anti-Semitism. Your defense makes you sound silly or like one anti-Semite trying to protect anti-semitic ideas.

  10. Will there ever be a year of human history without war? Why do some choose violence, greed, and vileness, when they could join others in choosing peace, generosity, and love?

  11. J Rubin floats her ridiculous balloon with the child like smirk phrase asking are you proud of my concoction ?

    ” How about this : ”

    She asks her (partisan) audience if she has done well making up the mishmash .

    Of course she understands clicks and retaliations are warranted for it, and thus attention a debased bar fight .

  13. Jonathan: The title of this comment is “You have only yourself to blame”. The head scratcher is why DJT finds himself before a NY Judge, NY prosecutors and NY law? He constantly complains he can’t get a fair trial in NY–it’s full of left-wing Dems– “Marxists and Communists” all of whom are out to get him. So whose fault is that? It’s DJT’s fault. Let me explain.

    DJT came to NY to set up his real estate empire. He incorporated it there. He agreed to abide by NY’s corporation laws. He did that because he liked the glitz of the city–the bright lights of 5th Avenue and Broadway. He liked being at the center of attention–even though he knew most New Yorkers hated him. But for almost 50 years he stayed and lived in NY because that was where the action was that he enjoyed.

    DJT could have incorporated anywhere. Like most fortune 500 companies he could have incorporated in Delaware–or in Florida, a business friendly state with business friendly judges and prosecutors. But DJT chose NY. And that was his fatal error. They say you are in for a penny and in for a pound. You can’t complain that governors, state judges and attorney generals are mostly Democratic progressives and are against you when you continue to do business in NY.

    Nor can DJT complain that AG Letitia James is unlawfully using NY Executive Law 63-12 just against him. That law has been on the books since the mid 1950s. It gives the AG vast powers, more than any other state, to go after systematic business fraud and take away the business licenses of any organization that violates the law. James has been doing this since she stepped into office. She didn’t start with DJT and she won’t end with him

    The big Q is why didn’t DJT incorporate some place else? He could have done that 15 to 20 years–or even after he became president in 2016. DJT decided to stay in NY because he thought he could beat the system as he had done for years. That was also a fatal error. DJT didn’t bank on AG James. When she first filed her lawsuit against the Trump Organization a little over a year ago DJT finally realized he needed to move his assets out of her reach. He tried to reincorporate in Delaware. But it was too little, too late. James got wind of DJT’s attempted end run and informed Judge Engoron. He immediately stopped DJT’s attempt to escape liability and reincorporate in Delaware.

    So getting back to my opening, DJT had many opportunities to find a more business friendly environment. Perhaps out of hubris or because his is a malignant narcissist, DJT decided to stay in NY. So he now faces the largest business fraud prosecution in NY history. If DJT wants to point the finger of blame at anyone, he should point it at himself!

    1. You lost everyone with the big lie Dennis.

      He overstated the value of mar a lago AND committed tax fraud.

      Mr contradiction strikes again.

    2. All you dishonest demonrat gasbags praised and worshiped Trump and begged him to notice you, get on his top popular entertaining and educational show about starts up and small business adventures and there is absolutely no doubt NY loved it as well, producing all sorts of start ups to fill the shopping and walking streets and help brag NY with NYC is the center of the world !
      You all dreamed of eating and guesting in the highest end Trump towers and lots of you did, bragging to friends and family and astounded at the luxury and quality, sucking down your arugula and eggplant and sprouts with pics and half sauced happy faces.

      One day it became clear Trump opposed your foreigner communist national dictator and destroyer master transformer and you lost your cookies and went into brain meltdown and yelllowgreen toxic fluid drips from your ears and mouths and eyes still.

      So no, if we go with your 50 years, less than the last 10 of those you found yourself not kissing the ring and begging to be noticed by The Don.

    3. “DJT came to NY to set up his real estate empire.”

      DJT was born there, something everyone but you knows. Letitia James is not following the law, common sense or the best interests of NY.

      Her complaints demonstrate ignorance on her part, the Judge’s and yours.

  14. It seems to me Hamas invaded and purposely started a war on orders from Iran, who is desperate to do anything to prevent Israel and Saudi Arabia from normalizing relations. It is no secret that Hamas and Hezbollah are Iran proxies, and Iran is dead set against such normalization.

    As for Rubin and Tribe, not only are they mentally deranged, they have kicked over the traces of even being human.

    1. The fraudulent webmaster removed my reply along with many of my comments and replies here today. You’re playing in a rigged game, and if you’re honest, you should object to that.

  15. Think about the reaction(s) if Rubin and Tribe had said that election anomalies put the wrong candidate in the WH.
    In terms of outrage…

  16. Reports that the US is moving ships and aircraft nearer to Israel.

    Once I would have cheered that news.

    Considering whoever is in charge of the US now, that news makes me uneasy. I can’t be sure whose side they will support. Maybe both with a splash of leaning far left and lectures on pronouns. Something crazy in any event.

    Have we become the most unpredictable and dangerous country in the world?

    1. Young,
      From what I have read, the Navy is being moved for humanitarian assistance.
      Could that escalate?
      Sure.
      I am watching what Iran, Saudis, and the rest of the Mid-East do or not do.
      Could we see a OPEC cut in production in support of Hamas?
      I filled up the truck earlier today.

      1. Upstate–

        “Humanitarian assistance” is vague enough to allow them to do almost anything. I enjoy your comments and think you are wise to watch how the rest of the world reacts. I hadn’t thought of OPEC but you are right, it is yet another concern.

        I saw speculation that the Israeli intelligence failure may have been due in part to their agencies–like ours–being so involved with meddling in internal politics that they took their eyes off a genuine threat to their existence as a nation. Could be true, at least in part.

        Right now I am so [lack of an appropriate word] that I wouldn’t blink if Israel carpet bombed Gaza and everyone in it out of existence. Give them the Dresden or Hamburg or Tokyo firebombing treatment–there are precedents. Do it before our lunatic administration can interfere with ‘humanitarian’ and pronoun assistance.

        Likely I will cool down in time, but I am convinced Gaza cannot continue as it is. It needs to be absorbed, everyone except Hamas sent to other Muslim countries, and Hamas dealt with appropriately….

  17. Rubin…..“How about this: With US House in chaos and US military promotions on hold, Hamas struck. Republicans’ weakness invites terror.”

    A more reasonable scenario is that Hamas struck Israel knowing that Democrats and Leftists (MSM) like Rubin and Tribe would give Hamas cover. Lo and behold……

    NYC Democratic Socialists plan rally in support of Palestinian cause
    https://midhudsonnews.com/2023/10/08/nyc-democratic-socialists-plan-rally-in-support-of-palestinian-cause/

    1. Estovir,
      I think a more reasonable scenario is the whole world see how weak and incompetent the Biden admin is and are taking advantage of it.

      1. How did the Biden administration first respond to this new war of terror? I will paraphrase what was said. ‘Why can’t we all get along?’ Such a statement shows the inadequacy of this administration. Afghanistan, why can’t we get along? Ukraine, why can’t we get along, etc.?

        Of course, Biden fails to recognize that when he sends money to Hamas and Iran or pays for hostages, he is the cause of the ensuing problems. He has failed internationally in every part of the world and likely was the one to order the Nord Stream Pipeline blown up. He cannot manage anything, much less our closest military alliance.

        The last administration permitted ISIS to grow into a monster using torture and the killing of civilian women and children. The present Biden administration has created a new ISIS that tortures while killing women and children.

        The left, demonstrated by Biden, Rubin, and Tribe, is consumed with self-hatred and suicidal tendencies. I prefer to live and hope Israel shows how to manage violence of this nature.

        Instead of intervention by the West and public opinion against Israel, let them do what Trump did to ISIS. He destroyed them. Let Israel destroy the new ISIS, Hamas, without the West interfering until the job is complete.

        1. S. Meyer- “Instead of intervention by the West and public opinion against Israel, let them do what Trump did to ISIS. He destroyed them. Let Israel destroy the new ISIS, Hamas, without the West interfering until the job is complete.”

          +++

          Exactly!

          1. Young, you read a lot of history that probably included On the Origins of War, a book written by Yale’s extraordinary historian, Donald Kagan. He tells us the most important thing necessary to prevent wars from reoccurring. There must be a clear victory where the victorious side wins.

            Since 1948, wars and terrorist attacks against Israel did not end. Israel won all but was prematurely stopped from final victory by the US.

            If we wish for peace in the Middle East between the Palestinians and Israel, Israel must, for the present, occupy the Gaza Strip and destroy Hamas. Gaza was given independence by Israel without anything in return except for the hope of peace. Israel then provided Gaza with assistance to provide for its needs and stability.

            Trump created peace between the two by ceasing America’s part in financing terrorism and moving the embassy to Jerusalem. That was a clear indication the war was over.

            1. S. Meyer- “the most important thing necessary to prevent wars from reoccurring. There must be a clear victory where the victorious side wins.”
              +++

              All should have learned that lesson from General Pershing.

              As WW1 approached its end with the German army in collapse armistice proposals were opposed by Pershing. He called for a little more fighting to compel unconditional surrender of the Germans.

              Pershing’s proposal likely would have cost a few thousand more lives and was rejected in favor of an armistice that 21 years later cost many millions of lives.

              The armistice gave room for German radicals to claim the army was not really defeated but was stabbed in the back by disloyal Germans, particularly Jewish Germans.

              And so the door to power was opened to Hitler and his ilk.

              Nothing less than absolute victory and elimination of the Gaza terrorist entity should be the wish of every civilized person and the goal of all who can see to it.

  18. If Israel can be stripped of its territory because it was occupied by Palestinians before 1948,

    America can be stripped of its territory because it was occupied by Asian nomads before 1607.

    1. It was occupied by Jordan after 1948 until Judea and Samaria were returned to Israel, which, according to International law, are part of that sovereign nation.

      1. What is your point? Jordan occupied Judea and Samaria (‘the West Bank’).

    3. Israel is an arbitrary, artificial contrivance; its territory was appropriated from Palestinians through the generous application of Western political power.
      _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

      “Political power grows out of the barrel of the gun…”

      – Mao Tse-tung

      1. “its territory was appropriated from Palestinians “

        George, that is your first mistake. You don’t understand the use of the name Palestinian. Look at the NYTimes post WW2. They talk about the Palestinian farmers. They were Jews. Somehow, someway you got confused when a different group started using that name. The Palestinians became known as Israelis and the Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Sudan and elsewhere became the Palestinians.

        All the boundaries were artificially created except the Jews are the oldest civilization existing today to live in the lands of Israel, Judea and Samaria.

  19. Rubin and Tribe are only the more prominently deranged among a very large group of the deranged in media, academia and government. Unfortunately, many have real power. Even Caligula would find this bunch lawless, obscene, demented and disturbingly dangerous and that is a very high bar.

    I sometimes wonder, if the country were being run from an insane asylum would things look very different?

    1. Young,
      “I sometimes wonder, if the country were being run from an insane asylum would things look very different?”
      In a word, no.

  20. The issue has been skewed to the determent of the Palestinians’. Those advocating peace has been cast aside by the radical element of Hamas, and for what? Do they really think this will solve any problems or unite the average citizen of Gaza? The ignorance resulting in death of fellow citizens will not help them in the ultimate wish of statehood or the total demise of Israel, but further entrench the belief that there can be is no pathway in finding a solution to the long-fought conflict. They have not changed their ideology since Arafat, which is to reach out for the hand of peace until the last moment then throw a punch to the face. These attacks will further split the Middle East into chaos.

    I can hypothecate that Iran has a hand in this, but it could well be other players have taken the cause under wing in hopes that America will be drawn further into a new conflict wasting our resources and administrative efforts.

    This conflict was not spur of the moment, it had to have taken a considerable of time and planning, attacks were multi directional, invasions, rockets etc. and had to be coordinated.

    Now if Iran was the instigator (planning and financial support) they will ultimately pay the price, dividing the affected neighboring countries. This is a very dangerous game to be played without knowing the ultimate ending.

    Regarding the any culpability of a political party or their member’s actions or inactions is just foolish pit-er-patter, a diversion of the facts that are still unknown. As Rumsfeld said, “there are known knowns, known un unknowns and unknown unknowns.” So, a word of advice to all, “hold your fire until you see the whites of their eyes”.

    1. George W,
      While I agree with most of what you said, I would disagree with one part, “Regarding the any culpability of a political party or their member’s actions or inactions is just foolish pit-er-patter, a diversion of the facts that are still unknown.”
      The Biden admin has grossly displayed their incompetence and weakness practically from day one.
      And the whole world saw it.
      For our enemies and friendemies the Biden admin was the greatest gift they could of been given.
      And they are taking advantage of it.

      1. Oh, and another four years of Biden would be even a greater gift.
        If you were one of our enemies, who would you rather see get elected in 2024?

      2. Upstate, you are correct. Everything the Biden Administration did led to this type of event.

        Biden is corrupt, and that corruption leaves him weak and open to extortion by our enemies. That alone contributes to this type of terror.

        But he does more. He sends money that promotes terrorism and pays the families of the terrorists who died.

        Biden pays for hostages and funds the rogue regime of Iran, which then funds Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran is the most active state that supports terrorism.

        We can look at Afghanistan, the increasing instability between China and her neighbors, Ukraine, our Southern border, our economy, etc., and see that it was a mistake for anyone to support his rise to the Presidency. I can’t think of a more terrible President in my lifetime.

    2. Upstate
      I wasn’t trying to discount the fault of the dunderheads in the White House or the leftist lazy attitudes to diplomacy. The left has been the cause for the majority if not all the troubles in the Middle East since Israel was founded. They stand with Israel one day then the next they don’t, always putting the wetted finger up to see which way the wind is blowing. They in general have no backbone which is exampled daily in American cities run by the left. Another major fault of the left was at the conclusion of World War 1, when they divided up what is now known as the Middle East.

      One other item that shows how incompetent the administration is, moving assets of the 6th fleet, ‘We’ll show them wont we”.

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