The University of California at Davis is embroiled in a controversy involving one of its faculty threatening “zionist journalists” in a violent tirade on X. UC Davis Professor (and undergraduate adviser) Jemma Decristo posted the screed on October 10th referencing the homes and family of those who support Israel as possible targets. The university is investigating the matter, but Decristo’s embrace of violence is nothing new for faculty around the country. For years, faculty members have engaged in violent rhetoric directed toward conservatives and Republicans with little response from universities.
“one group of ppl we have easy access to in the US is all these zionist journalists who spread propaganda and misinformation … they have houses w addresses, kids in school, they can fear their bosses, but they should fear us more.”
At the bottom, you can see a knife emoji, an ax emoji, and three red drops of blood after saying “they should fear us more.”
That strikes me as a rather direct and obvious threat.
Decristo is an assistant professor of American Studies at the public school with a “focus … on the interplay between sound, race, gender and embodiment.”
In a statement, a UC Davis spokesperson said campus leaders “reject all forms of violence and discrimination, as they are antithetical to the values of our university. We strive to foster a climate of equity and justice built on mutual understanding and respect for all members of the community.”
The University of California system has a long history of violence and violent rhetoric from the left.
At the University of California, Santa Barbara, feminist studies associate professor Mireille Miller-Young physically assaulted pro-life advocates and tore down their display.
She pleaded guilty to criminal assault, but the university refused to fire her. Instead, some faculty and students defended her, including claiming that pro-life displays constitute terrorism. The University of Oregon later honored Miller-Young as a model for women advocates.
Around the country, faculty routinely use violent rhetoric with little push back in the media or on campus.
We have discussed professors advocating “detonating white people,” denouncing police, calling for Republicans to suffer, strangling police officers, celebrating the death of conservatives, calling for the killing of Trump supporters, supporting the murder of conservative protesters, and other outrageous statements.
University of Rhode Island professor Erik Loomis defended the murder of a conservative protester and said he saw “nothing wrong” with such acts of violence.
One of the most recent violent professors was Hunter College Professor Shellyne Rodríguez who was only fired after being arrested for holding a machete to the neck of a New York Post reporter and threatened to “chop you up.”
Yet, she was not fired after she destroyed the pro-life display of a group of students.
Since her machete attack, Rodríguez has now been hired by Cooper Union to teach its students.
These faculty members have long been part of the radical chic of academia, including a professor recently at Cornell expressing his “exhilaration” after watching the Hamas attack on Israel.
The response to conservatives accused of racist or insensitive comments has been quite different. We discussed how St. Joseph’s University refused to renew a contract for a professor who actually prevailed in such a free speech fight. A conservative North Carolina professor faced calls for termination over controversial tweets and was pushed to retire. Dr. Mike Adams, a professor of sociology and criminology, had long been a lightning rod of controversy. In 2014, we discussed his prevailing in a lawsuit that alleged discrimination due to his conservative views. He was then targeted again after an inflammatory tweet calling North Carolina a “slave state.” That led to his being pressured to resign with a settlement. He then committed suicide just days before his last day as a professor.
For years, conservative and Republican faculty and students have been subjected to such violent acts or rhetoric with little support from most faculty or the media. Indeed, figures like Jennifer Rubin and Laurence Tribe recently came under fire for their comments after the massacre despite years of such attacks and false claims directed at the right.
Universities are now facing pressure from donors to address such violent rhetoric. I continue to oppose any form of censorship for faculty or students. However, the real problem is the academic echo chamber created from decades of bias in hiring and promotion. That is unlikely to change the lack of viewpoint diversity on faculties or the purging of conservative or libertarian professors. There is no evidence that universities are prepared to take real action to address the hostile environment for many on our campuses in espousing dissenting views or values.
Jemma Decristo: an *undergraduate* adviser.
Still need evidence that universities are propaganda machines? Do you wonder what is fueling the campus protests appeasing terrorists? Are you still confused about why the “life of the mind” has become a cauldron of violent activists?
“I continue to oppose any form of censorship for faculty or students.” (JT)
With respect, this (and the countless other cases) is *not* an issue of free speech or “censorship.” It’s an issue of human decency and professional responsibility. Universities are institutions of higher *education*. They are not bully pulpits or propaganda vehicles (whatever your ideology). A professor’s job is to teach a body of ideas — not to mold culture warriors. If you cannot do your job, you belong elsewhere.
Then, there are the ignorant fake-Christians, such as poster “Robert Browning,” who projects Pontius Pilate’s murder of the Jewish Rabbi Yeshua onto the Jews.
Of course, the ignorant fake “Robert Browning” poster here doesn’t know that the real Robert Browning was a poet and scholar, who knew Hebrew, was a student of the Old Testament (in Hebrew) and rabbinical literature, and had expressed deep admiration of, and empathy for, the Jewish people.
But they don’t teach real things like that in the Leftist Indoctrination Entities or LIES.
“Palestinian”
In reality, that concept means: An Arab with a desire to create (yet another) theocratic state with a genocidal ideology, so that they can hatch (yet more) terrorists. (See, for example, Arafat)
Your world is in a sorry state when blood-lusting totalitarians are regarded as the “oppressed.”
Then, of course, you have lying, filthy, degenerate, Jew-haters like Shakdi, who advances the lie here that Jews “wiped” the so-called “Palestinians” (a fake, invented name never used before) “off the face of the earth.”
The Arabs living in Israel when the Jews returned to Israel were never expelled from Israel, let alone “wiped from the face of the earth.” They were told by Egypt, Jordan, and all the other Arab nations that if they left Israel, the Jews would be exterminated and then they could go back to Israel. But Egypt’s war against Israel failed.
Shakdi loves to tell his lies revolving around his hatred of Jews out of his leftist sense of inferiority, believing that if he can’t accomplish the great things that Jews have created and accomplished, the next best thing is to wipe Jews from the face of the earth.
But this time around, he has the Leftist Indoctrination Entities (formerly called colleges and universities, before they were populated with leftist scum) backing him and his fellow leftists, along with media presstitutes that rely on Hamas murderers of Jews for their fake-news, masquerading as news.
There is nothing wrong with hating the blood of those who persecute and torment the weak and the innocent, now is there Christ killer?
Another dummy. If you knew your history including that of the Sanhedrin and the rest of Jewish Law at the time, you would understand they didn’t do what you think. Your Lord and God looks down on you as an ignorant fool who doesn’t follow his teachings. Jesus was a Jew for his entire earthly life, and Christians and Muslims look toward the Five Books of Moses. If you understood them, you would understand the reason why you have to search for another killer.
Now you can go pray to Baal.
LOL
Imagine the government telling any people that. Everyone knows all the governments are full of it. Why would any governments in the region not murder death kill the jews before they established anything, did all these people suddenly start hating jews ? I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMETHING CALLED WORLD WAR 2.
MAPS WERE REDRAWN, ACCORDING TO ALL YOU LIARS, NEWLY DRAWN. WE ARE TO BELIEVE IN 1948 NOTHING WAS THERE. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA
You idiots stole their land, it matters not what anyone told them, thievery is wrong.
“BUT SHAKDI, WE BEAT MURDERED AND TORTURED THEM TO DEATH AND DROVE THEM OUT, WAR IS WAR, winner take all”
Oh, okay, the confessional is > that way >
Now stop pretending not even 80 years later no one alive knows better.
> hit the confession for your current lies too
You make no sense.
If the argument has to do with the present, you state history. if the argument deals with history you state present day realities. You accuse your enemies of acting illegally but when international law is provided you choose terrorism.
You are so far off the target that you are either nuts or the worst type of ‘Nazi’ known to mankind. Perhaps it’s both.
Shakti:
The Ottoman Empire dissolved, and the land went to the creation of multiple countries. 90% of the land proposed for Israel in the British Mandate was given to the Arabs, to create Jordan and part of Syria. This was the first land for peace deal.
You say “maps were redrawn” like that is proof of some underhanded villainy. There was no Ottoman Empire. Hence the maps were redrawn. The Holy Land was given back to the Jewish people. The maps have also been redrawn in Europe. For example, after WWI, the Russian Empire collapsed, to form Poland, the Baltics, and Finland. You may also have noticed that the Austro-Hungarian Empire is no longer on the map, replaced instead with Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia. The map was redrawn in Ukraine when Russia captured the Crimea.
Was the Ottoman Empire raving thieves when it conquered the land to begin with? The Muslim Expansion certainly changed the maps. Are they all thieves? Should the Middle East be returned to its Christian and Jewish majority? Thievery is wrong, no? Muslims put villages to the sword, convert or die, allowing some to live if they paid the jizya and submitted to religious persecution. That was a far more violent means to redraw the map than the legal process with created Israel after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
I imagine you would want Mecca and Medina returned to Muslims should some calamity befall the religion, and the land was taken. Israel is the Holy Land of the Jews, mentioned over 400 times in the Torah. It is the promised land. Judaism evolved in Judea, hence Jews are the indigenous people of Judea. They have their own language, culture, religion, and traditions dating back thousands of years. They were there for thousands of years before Islam was even a thought. Don’t bother trying to claim that unless no human had never set foot there before, they can’t be indigenous, as the only place any human could be indigenous would be the Cradle of Civilization. There were multiple migrations of humans across the Bering Land Bridge, displacing each other, over thousands of years, resulting in the indigenous Native Americans of today. Darwin’s finches blew to the Galapagos, adapted, and became endemic native species.
Maps get redrawn based on which governing entity holds the land.
Darwin’s finches blew to the Galapagos, adapted, and became endemic native species.
I may borrow this from you, Karen. Succinct, visual, paints a picture. Kudos to you.
regarding genetics…How familiar are you with epigenetics and immunology? You might want to do some reading as your time allows on epigenetics from published medical research articles for the last 3 years. Paradigms are being blown up due to single cell RNA sequencing, and it is delightful. Lately I have been doing a deep dive in my research on epigenetics, macrophages, neutrophils, monocytes re: atherosclerosis, and incorporating these findings into a manuscript. IIRC you worked in a lab in a previous career, hence my comment. Since you are familiar with immunology, you might enjoy this topic. I find myself seeing beauty and God’s presence in epigenetics, chromatin remodeling, transcription factors, and so forth. Truly breathtaking processes at the molecular level. These are a welcome change from the dire news we keep witnessing.
See what you think of these.
free link:
Zhang Q, Cao X. Epigenetic Remodeling in Innate Immunity and Inflammation. Annu Rev Immunol. 2021 Apr 26;39:279-311. doi: 10.1146/annurev-immunol-093019-123619. Epub 2021 Feb 5. PMID: 33544645.
NIH has a free copy of the following but the publisher version behind a paywall has a better format
Kuznetsova T, Prange KHM, Glass CK, de Winther MPJ. Transcriptional and epigenetic regulation of macrophages in atherosclerosis. Nat Rev Cardiol. 2020 Apr;17(4):216-228. doi: 10.1038/s41569-019-0265-3. Epub 2019 Oct 2. PMID: 31578516; PMCID: PMC7770754.
God is in the molecules!
Thanks, Estovir. I am behind on current research, and will take a look at these articles. It would be a welcome change from the depressing news.
Shakdi:
There never has been a country of Palestine, in all of recorded history. The Romans renamed the region Palestine, to punish the Jews who resisted Roman rule. There has never been a country of Palestine, Palestinian language, culture, religion, or tradition. “Palestine” was never even mentioned in the Quran.
Israel, however, is the third Jewish state to exist in Judea. Israel is mentioned over 400 times in the Torah. When Moses led the Jews to the promised land, there were no Muslims, as Islam wouldn’t be created for thousands of years. Jews evolved from Semitic tribes called the Israelites during the Iron Age, who lived in Canaan, part of the Southern Levant that includes Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, Jordan, and parts of Syria.
Israel was legally formed. Palestine is an imaginary country, made up by Muslim Arabs as an excuse for murdering Jews.
It is ludicrous to refer to a people who are named after Israel, their religion is named after Judea, and have lived there since the Iron Age as “colonizers.” That’s not what that term means.
The Canaanites from the Bronze Age were comprised of individuals who had migrated from the Caucasus, and Iran. THEY migrated there and dispersed earlier Neolithic people. You might find this utterly amazing, but the first person to set foot in any square mile of land did not remain there, in perpetuity, through descendants. There was quite a bit of territory changes among indigenous Native American Tribes, with the Black Hills, for instance, changing hands about 5 times in 300 years. Were the Sioux thieves and colonizers?
oldairdog
” Hamas’s charter
explicitly states
that their primary goal is
the extermination of all Jews,”
THE EXTERMINATION OF ALL JEWS
” and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth. ”
Nations change a lot with all the war going on.
Like when jews butted into Palestine and declared themselves the new owners.
So the jews wiped those living there off the face of the earth. At least twice. Canaanites (which jews lie about all the time pretending that didn’t happen though it’s in the Torah directly and thus the Bible, so this crap about “indigenous” fell asunder the other day when I called THAT GIANT BS OUT), and now this latest generally post WW2 “we’re taking it all !” so called “agreement”.
say it with me “CANAANITES”
What I’ve seen since all this crap was shoved at me here, is reported and NOT REFUTED by anyone about 700,000 local land owners were summarily hammered out by force IN ONE FELL SWOOP . Oh okay.
You came in and destroyed what was there, now they want you out and you say it isn’t fair.
One could say all is fair in love and war, but if that’s the jew excuse, then whining about getting the butt kicked a couple of weeks ago is not allowed.
If the international law is going to be invoked, then the now constant breaking of it by Israel is invoked automatically.
“Like when jews butted into Palestine and declared themselves the new owners.”
The Jews are indigenous to the land of Israel for almost 4000 years.
There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian ethnic group.
The Arabs left at the request of their Arab leaders.
An equivalent number of Jews were thrown out of the Arab and Muslim nation by force and threat of death.
Many of the Arabs that left were not indigenous to “Palestine”. They came from all over the Middle East and North Africa.
Here we go again with the indigenous lie. Please read your Torah. Moses didn’t make it. A war was fought with the INDIGENOUS, they are called Canaanites.
The promised land was already full. Thanks for lying.
Have Isaac call Ishmael, and when his concubine half brother answers, get daddy and abraham can check up on how he’s doing.
Thanks.
“WE MURDERED OUR BROTHER AND STOLE HIS LAND, LIKE CAIN WE SLAUGHTERED ABEL….”
Oh…. the land cries out with their blood……
I get it now…. gosh I wish someone would have said that and explained it to me, why do I have to come up with it all myself ?
I don’t mind the realities of the world, but the snow jobs and BS and scammy false testimony against thy neighbor…. tsk tsk tsk
Indigenous. When Shakdi finds a point he likes in the Torah, he presents it only to turn to another secular argument when his knowledge and facts fail him.
Do you know who the Canaanites were? Who did they conquer that makes them illegitimate? Do they exist today to claim the land? No. But, if you wish to use Torah and genealogy, you can trace Jews back further along with the Canaanites, making both of them indigenous but only one that survives to this day, the Jews. Look up Noah and trace the lineage.
Now you can switch back to your secular arguments already destroyed. You are such a putz.
“If the international law is going to be invoked, then the now constant breaking of it by Israel is invoked automatically.”
Your problem is you are too ignorant to recognize that Israel is complying with international law. Your claims are contrary to international law. Hamas, who you support are terrorist criminals according to the Geneva Convention and international law.
You support criminality and ignorance. You bring no facts to the table to prove your case.
LIST OF ISRAELS WAR CRIMES, 16 HERE CHAPTER AND VERSE
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/
Thanks for the BS, now start reading…. example…
Article 6(c): Deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposition of a complete siege of the Gaza Strip, totally depriving Gazans of electricity, food and fuel, and tightening even more the existing 16-year-old blockade thereof.[1]
Article 25(3)(c): For the purpose of facilitating the commission of such a crime, aids, abets or otherwise assists in its commission or its attempted commission, including providing the means for its commission
Israel purchases 10,000 riffles for Israeli settlers[2]
The US vetoes all the war crimes against israel at the UN, haige, etc…. wherever in the world anyone whines
Likewise the US gets away with everything too
We are the 800 pound dictator gorilla
You are one of the chimp sidekicks
The fact that we get away with it doesn’t change that the law was broken. Think 2 tiers of justice like you have been thinking for some time now, you moron. LOL
Yep, I KNOW NOTHING ! NEXT ORDERS, COLONEL KLINK !?
Nothing you write is a war crime. Nations agree to minimize civilian casualties but when terrorists use human shields, it is recognized that some innocent civilians may get hurt or die. In that case the war crime is the one using human shields, Hamas. You make excuses for cowards because you are one yourself.
Israel is noted to be the most cautious in preventing civilian casualties. Many of the nations in the UN that errantly call Israel out for war crimes are the nations that have been involved in the most mass murders encountered in the civilized world.
Shakdi, you need to work on your anti-Semitic neo-Nazi lie fabricating skills. You’ll have more success lying when your lies aren’t so obviously lies that you’re giving Bribery Biden competition in that category.
“Like when jews butted into Palestine and declared themselves the new owners. So the jews wiped those living there off the face of the earth.”
First, there has never been at any time in history an independent nation, state, tribal area, etc. named “Palestine”. Now, your fellow anti-Semitic neo-Nazi, the Egyptian terrorist Yasser Arafat of Fatah and PLO terrorism fame started using that name because it sounded more romantic to Nazis and Marxist Useful Idiots than “homeless mongrel desert Arabs”.
Second, this “Palestine” that you, Yasser Arafat, and the rest of the Hajji terrorists talk about: why is there no mention of that mythical place in your Hajjis holy book, the Koran? Go ahead; take your time and check through that well worn copy of the Koran you refer to repeatedly each day. Send smoke signals if you find it mentioned in there.
There’s lots of lines about “kill the Jews” to appeal to you. There’s instructions for throwing homosexuals from rooftops – you’d love that part as well. But no mention of this “Palestine” homeland you claim you’re engaging in terrorism to get back. Weird how Mohammad never mentioned this Palestine place to the Hajjis and you who claim it is your ancestral home.
Third, if you’re telling the truth that the Israelis/Israelites wiped the Palestinians living in Palestine off the face of the earth… how can that be when there’s millions of “Palestinians” still quite alive in Gaza alone? Pretty pathetic job of completely wiping them out – and you said that happened twice.
Oh, and this: “say it with me “CANAANITES”
Sure; now say this with me: CANAAN WAS THE GRANDSON OF NOAH. Canaan and “Canaanites” were named after Canaan who settled that area and his progeny. With me so far?
Now, they may not teach Haaji terrorists and Nazi this part of history: – Noah and his family and those chosen were the only ones alive after God flooded the earth to exterminate any Arabs that might be infecting the planet. Yep, it’s right there in the Bible that talks about Canaanites that you mentioned.
So after the flood when Canaan settled his family in what would be known as Canaan, and his progeny would become known as Canaanites. Still with me? Any Nazi disagreement yet?
So when the Israelites finished their wandering and got to Canaan where Canaan’s/Noah’s descendents lived – you’re trying to tell everybody here that Moses was actually an Arab, and therefore his grandson Canaan and his progeny in Canaan were also Arabs. On the other hand, if you’re lying about Noah being an Arab resulting in his progeny the Canaanites also being Arabs, then that means that Noah’s descendants the Canaanites were ALSO Hebrew/Israelite.
There’s no other way the Israelites could have encountered Arabs in Canaan. And Noah didn’t have any Arabs on the Arc to allow them to survive God’s flood, and then settle in Canaan. If there were, Canaan would have been named after some desert Arab, not the Hebrew grandson of Noah.
I’d rate your skills at fabricating Nazi anti-Semitic lies somewhere between those of Bribery Biden and his spokes ho, Cringe Jean-Pierre.
Where do you go after your most recent demonstration of tapdancing on your own dick? How about making up some better lies concerning current events?
I have an idea – make up a lie about Israel bombing a hospital… and say that something like 500 were killed. And all the bodies were recovered from under the rubble in just a couple of hours, allowing you to make an accurate count of how many died in just that short period of time.
Nothing new or special about this story. Today, all Leftist Indoctrination Entities (“LIES”) are filled to the top with leftist degenerates, perverts, and assorted subhumans that are absurdly given dignified titles like professor, associate professor, and assistant professor.
I’ve been saying this for years as it was happening. It’s just getting more obvious to the slow learners.
Not sure anything will satisfy Shakdi, but here is another article about what Hamas is all about that looks at the charter and other sources.
https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2023/oct/19/doctrine-hamas
“Since its creation in December 1987, Hamas has invoked militant interpretations of Islam to spearhead a Sunni extremist movement committed to destroying Israel. ” ~ USIP
That first sentence is false.
In fact, Hamas has signed agreements to abide by the ’67 borders two-state solution.
*I suppose good boundaries could make good neighbors .. . but fixed fortifications are ‘monuments to the stupidity of man’.
“In fact, Hamas has signed agreements to abide by the ’67 borders two-state solution.”
Show us where you got that nonsense from. Read the Hamas Charter. Count the number of missiles sent by Hamas to terrorize Israel. Count the number of days since 2000 that they haven’t bombed or sent terrorists into Israel.
>”Show us where you got that nonsense from.”
Look it up yourself if you don’t believe me. The nonsense of no man can be conditioned by anyone but himself.
*If you want to ‘count the number of days since 2000’, by any measure or standard, the Palestinians have suffered considerably more than the state of Israel .. . do you have no concern for the plight of the Palestinians?
You cannot bring it up in context as a meaningful document. There most recent actions and statements show who they are and that their desire is to eliminate Jews. The PLO founder Arafat also wanted to eliminate the Jews though he couched his words. His uncle the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem made a pact with Hitler to exterminate the Jews.
So far your words on Hamas are empty rhetoric that hold no weight.
Hamas’s actions prove you to be a dunce.
Palestinians have suffered under their own leadership. Israel left Gaza in 1988 and only crosses their borders when attacked by Hamas.
Tell us how Israel causes the suffering of Palestinians.
You can’t produce your document in context with a date.
You can’t show how Israel is the cause of Palestinian suffering.
But you can side with war criminal terrorists.
What does that make you?
I have plenty of concern for all people including Palestinians. I think the world should get rid of Hamas so the Palestinians can live a better life.
“by any measure or standard, the Palestinians have suffered considerably more than the state of Israel .. . do you have no concern for the plight of the Palestinians?”
Ah! The desperate attempts of anti-Semitic neo-Nazis trying to create a false moral equivalency. Ending with the classic question “Do you still beat your wife” – posed by an anti-Semitic neo-Nazi right in the middle of demonstrating he has no concern for the plight of Israelis, Jew or Arab, regularly specifically targeted for terrorist attack.
Let’s remember that “the Palestinians” are a political fiction created by a fat corrupt Egyptian terrorist, Yasser Arafat of Fatah and PLO terrorism fame. There has never been an independent nation, territory, or tribal area named Palestine for Palestinians to come from.
In fact, the poor old Hamas Hajji terrorists whose apologists say they just want their homeland back, aren’t from the fictional Palestine. One clue for sentient, moral human beings is their Holy book that they justifies their terrorism does not mention “Palestine” or “Palestinians” even one single time.
Kind of sus that their prophet Mohammad, piss on his name, never bothered to mention Palestine to his chosen butchers.
Lots of instructions on finding and killing the Jew wherever you find him. Oh, and instructions on throwing suspected homosexuals off rooftops. But no mention of Palestine.
Your next task is convincing people that Gaza’s desert Arabs have suffered considerably more than the state of Israel as you claim.
All you have to do is count up the number of suicide bombers Israel has sent to blow themselves up among crowds of Arabs in Gaza and compare that to those Gaza sends to commit suicide bombings in Israel. Show that Israel has fired far more terror missiles targeting population centers in Gaza than Hajji Hamas terrorists have fired targeting population centers in Israel.
Or if you want another measure or standard, tell us how Hamas has shipped more water to Israel than Israel has shipped to Gaza. Tell us how Gaza has exported more Kw of power to Israel than Israel has exported to Gaza.
Another standard? Sure! Tell us of what percentage of all concrete and building materials used in Gaza goes to military/terrorism support, compared to what percentage of all those materials goes to military support in Israel.
Another standard for suffering? Sure! Who suffers more from suicide bombings? Gaza or Israel?
Another standard for suffering? Sure! Who suffers more from abductions: Gaza Arabs or Israelis?
Another standard for suffering? Sure! Who’s more likely to rape women of the other country? Gaza’s Arabs raping Israeli women – or Gaza Arabs being raped by Israelis?
Another standard for suffering? Sure! Who’s more likely to torture and mutilate those they capture? Gaza Arabs or Israeli IDF?
How long would like to continue your sophomoric attempt at creating a false moral equivalency?
“Hamas has signed agreements to abide by the ’67 borders two-state solution.”
In 1939, Hitler signed a nonaggression pact (the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). How’d that work out?
You’d be safer taking the word of a Mafia hitman.
Sure it will, the second any one of you shows this, your constant claim:
“oldairdog ” Hamas’s charter explicitly states that their primary goal is the extermination of all Jews, and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth.”
What has been your answer “here’s a link go read it”
Well, where is the text ? It’s a great ruse to claim something is off somewhere to be found when you couldn’t find it yourself or won’t read it and paste the pertinent information, so either I have to do your work for you or you have failed, and it appears BOTH are true.
I provided the EXACT text and the LAW and the link, when y’all buddoes for a week plus screamed israel has never broken international law in this matter then two of the main regulars tried to make “logical” arguments then oldkansas blabbered the text is needed and specific law to prove anything – so I DID THAT.
I have posted it at least 3 times. What did all the jacking jaw liars do then ? THEY SLITHERED AWAY INTO THE OUTER DARKNESS…
So do the work required, I had to do it. If you do it I will CHANGE MY MIND. I hope you guys can crack that nut within a few weeks. I know you are slow and lazy and prefer heightened adrenalin rushes of your estrogen levels spiking so you can scream I stand with the one true xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
Frankly I am sick of having to oppose it on principle.
Where’s the beef ? Copy and paste it, AND THE LINK, NOT JUST THE LINK, and I will then check the link and offer a rebuttal or agreement. Is that beyond your capacity ?
I think it is, because I think all the links all of you looked at, you cannot find anything sufficient or one of you would have done that already.
STILL WAITING, NOT A SCAM, NOT FOR MORE BS, BUT FOR THE REAL THING, AND IT AIN’T HERE….
COPY AND PASTE THE TEXT WHERE IS IT ?
So far we had the end of the world and a bush of one type or another jews can hide behind, with no wiping israel off the map, with no murdering every jew in the world …
“Shakdi ! We all say so !!!!”
Yes, I agree, your stupid blabbering pieholes say the same thing… I knew it was crap from day one.
“What has been your answer “here’s a link go read it”
That information has been provided by more than one person several times, yet you don’t respond to it. Instead you run away. Coward!
I will repeat one of the statements:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
Now you can run away again just like the coward you are.
Maybe you are just a nutcase.
I already answered that specifically you liar. october 21st 932 pm below you blind bat – IF YOU’RE TROLLING YOU REALLY SUCK
Shakdi “I heard about the day of Judgement coming about, nothing about wiping out israel or every jew. ”
I RESPONDED I AWAIT YOUR APOLOGY.
STATEMENT I OPPOSED AND CHALLENGED AS I HAD BEEN CHALLENGED:
oldairdog ” Hamas’s charter explicitly states that their primary goal is the extermination of all Jews, and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth.”
” I already answered that specifically you liar. october 21st 932 pm below”
A search for “october 21st 932” revealed only one comment and that was your present one. I provided you a quote. You run around. First do you agree the quote is accurate?
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
Did Hamas kill unarmed babies?
What are the schools teaching?
You are a coward and you know it, but you persist in lying and proving yourself the fool of cowardly war criminal terrorists.
Now deal with the statement, Coward.
Heil Shakdi, our resident anti-Semitic neo-Nazi posts:
“STILL WAITING, NOT A SCAM, NOT FOR MORE BS, BUT FOR THE REAL THING, AND IT AIN’T HERE….
COPY AND PASTE THE TEXT WHERE IS IT ?”
Shakdi needs an intervention from one of President DaddyDaughterShowers Biden’s eight year old victims to help him use Google to find information rather than just depend on The H Triplets: Hamas, Hezbollah, and Hitler for his information. But, let’s do his homework for him and give him the cut and paste he demands while pretending he can’t find the Hamas Charter to read it himself.
From the newer, second and less bloodthirsty version of the original charter:
Second paragraph of charter (terribly hard to find, less than a hundred words in!):
“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory). ”
A few paragraphs further down under the heading The Universality of the Islamic Resistance Movement:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)
Right from your link:
” In 2017, a revised Hamas manifesto included three departures from the 1988 charter, former U.S. diplomat Aaron David Miller (JEW) told The Islamists. First, Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel —although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said, “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus. ”
meyers to snowden below
“Show us where you got that nonsense from.”
I don’t see a signed agreement, but the “convinced and convincer” blabbered above, the concerned one, here read this shakdi nothing will convince but hey here it is … i won’t read it, but hey this is misdirection !
Well, as I have said before, good thing my IQ is sky high and I’m a speed reader. There’s the jew US diplomat outlining the “manifesto” of hamas, and manifesto is probably just a perjorative, because it’s the new charter by the looks of it and the link.
We have the original Hamas Charter from 1988 and now you suddenly recognize that they wanted to wipe out the Jews so you bring up the politically correct revision which means the same. But we need neither of them.
Hamas proved itself to not want peace since they attacked Israel not visa versa at a time more Palestinians were crossing Israel’s border and it seemed that there was some type of peace. Israel slumbered and the murderous war criminal terrorists attacked babies, women and grandmothers that were unarmed at an event. They murdered and took hostages. That proves who they are and what their objective is.
Only your pea sized brain doesn’t recognize that.
I look at you as a 6 year old marching in a Nazi uniform crying and peeing in his pants. You are a coward.
LMAO
YOU LOST BUCKO , suck it up like a man.
You can’t prove your case.
You cannot prove the case for Israel wrong.
What do you do? Lie, deceive, write nonsense and act like a fool.
The worst is that you run away from fact like the coward you are. That is typical of your type of anti-Semite.
In your terms, you lost, Coward!
What an a$$ you are proving yourself to be.
Did Hamas swear off terrorism? No. They pledged:
” “There is no alternative to a fully sovereign Palestinian State on the entire national Palestinian soil, with Jerusalem as its capital.”
That means goodbye to the Jews.
You are a coward and you sid with cowards.
“Shakdi, all we said was hamas has not sworn off terrorism ! ”
Oh boy….
You can be a member of the state, where is the wipe out all the jews worldwide ?
Where is the no jew will be allowed ?
Where is the map of the palestinian state ?
Is it still 1988 and you only have a small portion of part of one of the TWO claims ? LMAO
Fail.
You are not making enough sense to reply.
There is no Palestinian State because Yasser Arafat didn’t want a Jewish state so he refused all offers providing Arafat with a 95% win.
There will be no Palestinian state. No Arab nation will take them. Other Arab nations placed Palestinians in detention camps or threw them out of the country.
The Gaza’s have territory that they control. Hamas the criminal terrorist group controls the people and refuses to remain on their side of the border.
You are a coward.
In other words war and extermination of the Jews who rightfully, according to international law , are sovereign to the land they occupy.
They are saying virtually the same thing though it is more politically correct. Their actions prove that extermination is their goal.
In 1948 Israel accepted the border. That wasn’t enough for the Palestinians or surrounding Arab states. They attacked Israel multiple times and lost.
Where is the right of return for an equal amount of Jews forced from Arab land by force. There is documentation of the Jewish land asking the Arabs to remain and documentation of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem telling Arabs to leave.
You are ignorant, but I believe you to be a speed reader who skips over everything he doesn’t like while not understanding the rest/.
You are an ignorant coward.
A complete dumb dumb, not named so the human race can keep it’s dignity spewed this “In 1948 Israel accepted the border. That wasn’t enough for the Palestinians or surrounding Arab states.”
In 1948, there was no Israel,
so the war powers of WW2, the winners, shoved the crybabies into the other people’s land…
AMAZINGLY THE STEAL FOR FREE COWARDLY JEWS WITH THE EXCUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO KILL THEM FOREVER…
Accepted the totality of the land theft.
Also the not named dumb dumb above, CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY NO ELSE ALREADY LIVING THERE ACCEPTED IT.
I frankly do not know how you can be so stupid.
“so the war powers of WW2, the winners, shoved the crybabies into the other people’s land…”
The so-called crybabies ended up fighting about 5 Arab nations and won. In every successive war they won.
Who is the crybaby? You! Who is the coward? You! Who is ignorant? You!
“In 1948, there was no Israel,”
In 1948 there was no Jordan and most of the Middle Eastern states didn’t exist. Again you are stuck with lame secular arguments. Now you can return to your Canaanite argument already debunked.
Tale note that many of the states created at that time became Islamic states. Mohammed was born around 600 AD. Based on Jewish history, that is modern history. Maybe you heard of the Kingdom’s of David and Solomon and maybe you heard of Joshua that were BCE not AD. Did you ever hear of the first and second Temples?
You are so ignorant of history.
Anyone can go to the atlantic for more explanation of who Hamas is, what they want and how they want to do it. There is no peace with them based on what they say.
“Indeed, this part of the covenant stresses that:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight.”
Understanding Hamas’s Genocidal Ideology
A close read of Hamas’s founding documents clearly shows its intentions.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
LMAO – ” A CLOSE READING… and a lib screed magazine – no charter text…
As before, so now, the demands made by the raging “victims” here cannot be met by themselves.
A few of the immense lies so far, few of them of course, due to space…
1. 40 babies beheaded – retracted by the israeli gov, biden backtracked, and the reporter reporting it and apologizing…
So the israeli government lied and so did biden
2. The hospital strike was a jdam, they had been delivered by we all know whom, the sound of the strike and the proximity trigger and those local and UN members testified to it, as well as real video, not the lies irsael had to retract, including false vids and pics
3. “the innocent israeli people” “the defenseless” – the Kibbutz have been armaments and as I said human shields, for a long time – and the big hero gal slammed into my face by oldman DID NOT WAIT FOR ORDERS, WENT TO THE ARSENAL, GRABBED THEIR WEAPONS, AND COMMANDED THE “INNOCENT JEWS” to wipe out the incoming throng.
The very same article reports the other kibbutz were told to stand down and wait, AND THAT IS WHY THEY DID NOT ACCESS THEIR ARSENALS TO DEFEND…
So there is a HUGE component of lies by israel and the news and the people here in this regard. ALL israeli’s serve in the military by law, 2 years I believe, the absolute details do not matter, what does matter is the pretense they were all innocent hippy doves. MANY OF THEM have probably shot gazans in cold blood before or participated in such, and at the very least trained to do so.
This is how the smirking fat kibbutz commander gal got her 5 kills. Her underlings it was reported got 20 more
That’s plenty for now.
“40 babies beheaded “
The fog of war. At present we don’t know one way or the other and that is the present opinion of Israel and others. The government does not make that claim. However, what is important is that babies were killed which may have given the impression of beheadings. It’s the murder by Hamas that is important.
“The hospital strike was a jdam,”
You don’t know and I can’t know for sure but Israel doesn’t attack hospitals. If it did the war would be over. What restrains Israel from completely destroying Hamas in a short period of time is Israel’s resistance to attacking hospitals, schools and dense civilian population areas where Hamas keeps their control centers and weapons. That is why Hamas soldiers are war criminals along with being terrorists. They won’t even let women and children leave an area where they will be attacked.
It is nice to know how nicely you blend in with cowards, criminals and terrorists.
“the Kibbutz have been armaments and as I said human shields, for a long time”
Except in wartime, how. Had those youngsters been carrying weapons the Hamas fighters would have been killed, but Israel is a peaceful country surrounded by terrorists.
” the big hero gal slammed”
She attacked no-one. She defended herself against war criminal terrorists that were intent on killing unarmed mothers, grandmothers and children.
Once again we see your cowardice as you are angry she defended herself and the people around her rather than being slaughtered by Hamas. According to Shakdi, ‘how dare women and children defend themselves’.
Some women were said to be raped. Was that a pleasant vicarious experience for you?
“That’s plenty for now.”
It’s enough to show that you are a nutcase.
Another compulsive liar.
1. 40 babies https://twitter.com/sarasidnerCNN/status/1712415116363169884 Read your jew who reported it. you can’t admit facts but they are already admitted.
2. But I do know ““The hospital strike was a jdam,”. I have the evidence and the liars have been caught. At some point you will grow up, or you will be a liar, like a stupid child, till the day you die. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231018-us-weapons-expert-debunks-israels-denial-of-gaza-hospital-strike/
3. “What restrains Israel from completely destroying Hamas in a short period of time is Israel’s resistance to attacking hospitals, schools and dense civilian population areas where Hamas keeps their control centers and weapons….” BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH / YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
You are a CHUMP.
You’re like so many who open your stupid mouth and repeat what some other 2 year old virtue signaling clueless liar said.
Time to grow up – listen you ignorant 3rd grader… Hezbollah in the north is a much more well trained force with many more rockets than hamas and has said if israel enters on the ground into gaza they will attack – that’s just one dimbulb. Turkey, the largest force in europe, is watching, and will pile on. Qatar is the major funding for hamas, but your mind dupers are forbidden from telling you, since Qatar has a large lobbying firm and lots of money. All of you have cried iran as you’ve been commanded. Syria isn’t strong but it is another factor.
It’s not 1963, it’s not 1991 and relishing a sampson option only works for suicidal zealots, which admittedly exist.
So next time you blabber about why, rest assured it has nothing to do with israeli morals.
4. “Had those youngsters been carrying weapons the Hamas fighters would have been killed.” THERE IS A CHAIN OF COMMAND. ONLY ONE KIBBUTZ DEFIED IT AND DIDN’T LISTEN TO THE ISRAEL IDF COMMANDS. THEY ARE THE ONLY FIGHTING GROUP THAT SURVIVED. The rest followed idiocy, for what reason remains unclear… maybe you the genius can tell us.
kibbutz – along the gaza wall
arsenals
trained military occupied ( YOU believe they are innocent youngsters… because you’re a clueless dummy)
5. ” She attacked no-one. ” You’re an idiot who wants to quibble over nothing and thus avoid the real point.
6. “Once again we see your cowardice as you are angry she defended herself” LMAO – she couldn’t have, she was a defenseless innocent youngster…. as you said…
7. I’m raping your tiny lying mind here, so the pleasure is personal, direct, and victorious.
If you fools don’t straighten yourselves out, you’re going to get a lot more people killed, which it appears ALL of you are pleased to do.
Coward. You were provided with a response.
You read Twitter. I can’t be sure of what was seen but the babies are dead killed by your cowardly friends, war criminals and terrorists.
I guess you believe the murder of babies is a good thing. Your brain is warped and you have no morality. But the baby killing tells you what Hamas is. You don’t deny that they are terrorist baby killers.
I don’t deny that israel is a terrorist murderous entity, but you do.
I don’t come in here and tell lie after lie, but you do.
To imagine I have any friends on either side for you isaac and ishmael 80 year war mongers is to miss the point.
Israel remains within its own borders and is compliant with international law.
You can’t stand the truth so like the coward you are, you lie and deceive. I think it is clear to all how ignorant you are and how afraid you are to debate the facts based on history and the law.
You are a Coward and align yourself with murdering cowardly terrorists.
it’s paywall like the other one
LMAO
It’s like a reflex to lie…
“Anyone can go to the atlantic for more explanation of who Hamas is ..”
Goes there – paywall….
Anyone can go to the Atlantic for more explanation on who Joe Biden is .. .
*although no one here would agree with it.
Then go to the Hamas Charter of 1988. That is what the article quoted from.
Let me be clear: I don’t give a flying f*ck about ‘Hamas Charter’ of 1988. No one even knows who wrote it.
I do know Hamas ‘leadership’ say they are willing to accept Oslo 67′ border solution for at least the past 20 years.
*I tend to view ‘Hamas’ leadership like I do Ukraine ‘leadership’. .. willing puppets to great powers.
”
Let me be clear: I don’t give a flying f*ck about ‘Hamas Charter’ of 1988. No one even knows who wrote it.
“
Dgsnowden, you are a fool. That was the accepted official document of Hamas. What type of idiot are you?
“I do know Hamas ‘leadership’ say they are willing to accept Oslo 67′ border solution for at least the past 20 years.”
They attacked a piece of land that was part of Israel and an accepted border since 1948. If they agree to the border set by Oslo, why did they attack Israel? Do you realize, if you accept international law Israeli borders are lawful.
Gaza was won in a war and neither Israel nor Egypt wanted it. Gaza was totally free from Israeli control since 2005. Their only restriction was they couldn’t attack Israel.
You lie. the Atlantic article is not behind a paywall.
You don’t want to face the truth.
Correction. I went to the site again, and found it behind a paywall. I had gotten the address from Duck, Duck Go, so maybe that took me to an open copy in the archive and the address gets transposed. However You might see it from a search or signing up for a free week.
I don’t have an Atlantic subscription, but I can retrieve the article to answer specific questions. But, much of the article is based on the Hamas Charter of 1988 open to all. Read the Hamas Charter.
Here is some of the article without breaking copyright rules.
The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:
The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.
You are afraid of the truth.
This is from the Hamas Charter of 1988
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
This is but one of many statements against Jews and infidels. Shadki and gsnowdon need to start reading what the terrorists write.
Do I have to search out the Muslim Brotherhood statements that can be obtained from the Holy Land Trial?
Do you guys only believe what YOUR enemy says to deceive You?
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
Section 7
Pardon any duplication in my posts. My computer has gone crazy.
The Hamas Charter can be read at:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
LMAO – now I have to read it, the lazy jew defenders won’t and don’t have the facts ready…
Maybe I should have called oldman and the rest of you ignorant and told you to go read up on the israel war crimes and screamed it’s a fact jack, wanna go outside for pushups … because “it’s implied in there somewhere !!!
Oh boy so sorry it’s pathetic, I hoped for better. It’s all screeching ignoramuses. Thanks for settling it in my mind.
We wait for you to read it, but like all the other times you were challenged with facts I expect you to run away.
You read it, right idiot, it’s not there. YOU LOST.
“oldairdog ” Hamas’s charter explicitly states that their primary goal is the extermination of all Jews, and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth.”
Ya got that text of the charter ? I seriously doubt it.
The current year is 1988. LMAO
The demoncrat party are masters of the KKK and slave owners along with 40% of the jews in the USA that are slave owners, and slave ship owners. The current year is 1860
The POTUS is Woodrow Wilson, he is a klansman and holds rallies right on the DC white house lawn and surrounding thoroughfare. 1913 is the current year.
NINETEEN EIGHTY EIGHT IS 35 YEARS AGO.
suck it up blabberstumped
“Ya got that text of the charter ? I seriously doubt it.”
You were provided with a link to the text but as usual you ran away. Coward!
Well, we had one ignorant rube try to look it up ( OH AND A SECOND ) , no doubt the first time they ever saw it, and it has failed, and that’s the best that came from it.
So I will conclude I am talking to idiots and liars as I have, because those are the facts.
oldairdog ” Hamas’s charter explicitly states that their primary goal is the extermination of all Jews, and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth.”
I heard about the day of Judgement coming about, nothing about wiping out israel or every jew.
It’s comforting to know though, as presumably you two half brothers are fighting now and have been, just “not enough”, apparently.
STILL WAITING ….
s meyers “Do I have to search out ” … BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ATTACK INSULT BLAH BLAH
Hey, it’s all you goons that have made the statements, and now it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
I will wait, take weeks of you like, since none of you actually have the information.
“Hey, it’s all you goons that have made the statements, and now it is clear you have no idea what you are talking about.”
Yet you don’t followup when information is provided to you and your information is mostly false. You have enough links at present for you to look at and realize what a fool you are making of yourself.
From the Hamas covenant. “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).” It’s not about the land. They will not be satisfied until every Jew is dead.
I am amazed at how a Trans person could stand on the side of Hamas. Here’s an article from The Philadelphia Gay News. https://epgn.com/2023/10/11/hamas-hates-you-as-well/. It is very strange that a Trans person would side with a group that would kill him without a second thought if he stepped one foot in Gaza. It surely seems that he has his oppressors mixed up. However, I’m not surprised because any group that the right is against he must be for even if it means the severing of his own head. There are some who are just like him posting on this blog.
Donald J. Trump would be the first president to have been sent to prison by the opposing party.
Would that be an historic first and even worse than the tyranny of “Crazy Abe’s” acts subsequent to his unconstitutional suspension of habeas corpus?
Would that be better or worse; good or bad for the communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs)?
Something tells me that would be very bad.
I want to offer my congratulations to the American left. The attack on Israel has brought to light the fact that the American left agrees with Black Lives Matter and the Democratic Socialists of America. It has also been revealed that Professors on the left are thrilled when Israeli children are shot in the head. Congratulations American Democrats. Your message is being heard loud and clear.
As a point of clarification…..
There is no such thing as a genocide for “Palestinians”. People who live in Gaza/West Bank are literally the same ethnicity and genetic makeup (genotype) as those in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Eastern Mediterranean, et al. Jews on the other hand do have a unique genotype, e.g. Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, by virtue of originally being from Israel, traced back to the Old Testament, dispersed by oppressive people, and inherited genotypes from lands where they resided, e.g. Germany, France, Russia, etc. These diaspora people have tried to return to their homeland for millennia. The word Palestine (Filasṭīnī) is a 20th century construct that first appeared in 1898, then established by Arabs in the Ottoman Empire when they ruled over the region. Jews, on the other hand, do have millennia old, historical and archeological roots to Israel. Over and over again, Jews have been victimized to a diaspora, as victims of anti-semitism.
There is no such thing as a Palestinian people, ethnic group, or a identifying culture. The use of the word “genocide” is strictly inflammatory rhetoric. They comprise Arabs, Christians, and a mixture of Western and non-Western people. The militant Muslims in the region would like nothing more than to destroy Jews and Christians. That is how Muslims came to possess the nations they presently inhabit: vis a vis brutal wars to search & destroy Jews and Christian nations. The Catholic Crusades were launched by the Papacy to push back on the Muslim terrorist advances to Byzantine Empire, Spain and Southern Europe. That they remain in their present countries is a result, in part, because of the Crusades.
The word “Palestinian” gained acceptance as a description of Palestine’s Arabic speakers during the first decade and a half of the 20th century. Khalīl Baydas first used the term in 1898, followed by Salīm Qub‘ayn and Najīb Naṣṣār in 1902. Then, after the 1908 Ottoman Constitutional Revolution eased press censorship laws, dozens of periodicals appeared in Palestine, and the term “Palestinian” exploded in usage as result
Beška, E., & Foster, Z. (2021). The Origins of the term “Palestinian”(“Filasṭīnī”) in late Ottoman Palestine, 1898–1914.
lAcademia Letters, 2.
(@ Estovir) “…
The word Palestine (Filasṭīnī) is a 20th century construct that first appeared in 1898, then established by Arabs in the Ottoman Empire when they ruled over the region. Jews, on the other hand, do have millennia old, historical and archeological roots to Israel. Over and over again, Jews have been victimized to a diaspora, as victims of anti-semitism. …”
Re: When did Palestine first exist?
Timeline of the name Palestine – Wikipedia
The term “Palestine” first appeared in the 5th century BCE [began on 500 BC and ended the last day of 401 BC] when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a “district of Syria, called Palaistinê” between Phoenicia and Egypt in The Histories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine
Starting from Egyptian period c. 1150 BCE
A people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset). From a graphic wall relief on the Second Pylon at Medinet Habu, c. 1150 BCE, during the reign of Ramesses III. Padiiset’s Statue “the impartial envoy/commissioner/messenger of/for Canaan of/for Peleset”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine#Historical_references
B.T.W.: The 20th century began on 1 January 1901, and ended on 31 December 2000
500 BCE to 1900 AD = 2400 yrs. difference.
Estovir – I’ll give you credit for looking it up in Wikipedia, but your statements created a syllogism in support of the position of your argument, by omitting facts.
LMAO
They repeat the lies their minders tell them. In other words, they read the propaganda that the murderous raging political party they support spews then they run around repeating it.
Why check anything when thousands of idiots spew the same thing ?
Why think for yourself ?
They are told what to think and say and repeat.
Then come the embellishments and rage and self justifications.
Then come to total extreme hypocrisies.
If you’re as stupid as they are you don’t notice. So congratulations.
You have handlers or rely on one voice, a lying one. Most of those opposing your stupidity have provided documented facts.
You are too much of a coward to debate the words of Hamaa.
Wikipedia vs Estovir’s academic citation?
Bwahahahaha. You idiot.
You and Estovir are to be thanked for the information provided. There is an excellent explanation of the word Palestine / Palestinian at the JVL.
A few statements from them
The words “Palestine” or “Filastin” do not appear in the Koran. “Palestine” is also not mentioned in the Old or New Testament. It does occur at least eight times in eight verses of the Hebrew concordance of the King James Bible.
Though the definite origins of the word “Palestine” have been debated for years and are still not known for sure, the name is believed to be derived from the Egyptian and Hebrew word peleshet, which appears in the Tanakh no fewer than 250 times. Roughly translated to mean rolling or migratory, the term was used to describe the inhabitants of the land to the northeast of Egypt
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A derivative of the name Palestine first appears in Greek literature in the 5th Century BCE when the historian Herodotus used the word “Palaistine” to refer to the coastal strip inhabited by the Philistines.
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As early as 300 BCE, the term Judaea [Judea] appears, most likely to describe the area where the population was predominantly Jewish. It was distinguished from Palestine and Syria. Coins with the word Judaea or something similar were produced at the time of the first Jewish revolt (66-70 CE). In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were conquered, and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel.
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In 358, the Negev and southern Transjordan became a separate province named Palestina Salutaris. Around the year 390, during the Byzantine period, the imperial province of Syria Palaestina was reorganized into Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda, and Palaestina Salutaris. Following the Muslim conquest, place names were converted to Arabic. Palestina Prima became Filastin and Secunda was Urdunn (Jordan).
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The name “Palestine” became common in Early Modern English. It was used, for example, by the Crusaders in the Middle Ages.
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Under the Ottoman Empire (1517-1917), the term “Palestine” was used as a general term to describe the land south of Syria; it was not an official designation.
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Accordingly, Palestinian did not describe any one ethnic or religious group. Its definition applied to anyone living in the territory,” according to Brian Schrauger.
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Leading up to Israel’s independence in 1948, it was common for the international press to label Jews, not Arabs, living in the mandate as Palestinians.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/origin-of-quot-palestine-quot
There is no such thing as a Palestinian people ethnically or religiously.
Your argument is the one made by the citation Estovir provided, a free link, and an academic paper.
Wikipedia? OMG!!! How adolescent !
Who in their right mind uses Wikipedia other than morons? Wow!
Well done ATS!
oldairdog ” Hamas’s charter explicitly states that their primary goal is the extermination of all Jews, and wiping the nation of Israel off the face of the earth.”
Ya got that text of the charter ? I seriously doubt it.
oldman yesterday demanded FACTS concerning the international war crimes israel has been committing, while a few regs here argued with the whomever it was… SO I PROVIDED THE LINK THE TEXT AND THE LAW AND THEIR NUMBERS…
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/
“Article 6(c): Deliberately inflicting on a group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.
Imposition of a complete siege of the Gaza Strip, totally depriving Gazans of electricity, food and fuel, and tightening even more the existing 16-year-old blockade thereof.[1
Article 25(3)(e): Directly and publicly Incites others to commit genocide
“We are fighting human animals, and we act accordingly” (Israel’s Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant)[3]
So where is the proof for this repeated claim above ? I’m waiting…. text of the hamas charter for the constant claims here…
The Hamas charter is wholly aimed at ‘Zionists’, in particular, as specifically distinguished from ‘Jews’ or any another religious, ethnic, cultural or national identity. There seems to be a lot of Christians and Americans who identify as Palestinian.
Which begs the question: what’s the difference between ‘Zionists’ and ‘Jews’?
*evidently, ‘Hamas’ has no quarrel with Jews or the Jewish Faith. .. notwithstanding ‘Israel’ defines itself as a ‘Jewish’ state.
“The Hamas charter is wholly aimed at ‘Zionists’, in particular, as specifically distinguished from ‘Jews’ or any another religious, ethnic, cultural or national identity.”
Can you tell us where you came up with that idea? It is incompatible with reality. AS far as hate, we see that Hamas terrorists killed people of all religions and kill their own.
Too many people lack historical knowledge. Apparently Shadki above doesn’t even know what is in the Hamas Charter despite all his crazy comments.
“In May 2017, Hamas unveiled a rewritten charter, in an attempt to moderate its image. It maintains the longstanding goal of an Islamist Palestinian state covering all of the area of today’s Israel, West Bank, and Gaza Strip, and that the State of Israel is illegal and illegitimate. It now states that Hamas is anti-Zionist rather than anti-Jewish, but describes Zionism as part of a conspiratorial global plot, as the enemy of all Muslims, and a danger to international security, and blames the Zionists for the conflation of anti-Zionism and antisemitism. It rejects the Oslo Accords and affirms Hamas’ commitment to the use of force. It also claims to support democracy, but Hamas has still never held an election since 2006.[15][350]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
It is notoriously difficult to determine Hamas authoritative writings. It is an Islamic religious organization.
The 1988 Hamas charter/covenant also distinguished between ‘Jews’ and ‘Zionists’. Most Islamic organizations/ Islamic scholars consider Islam an extension of the Jewish (and Christan) faith. There are Islamic edicts still extant in Jerusalem on the freedom of Jews and Christians to practice their beliefs.
*On December 1, 2010, Ismail Haniyeh again repeated, “We accept a Palestinian state on the borders of 1967, with Jerusalem as its capital, the release of Palestinian prisoners, and the resolution of the issue of refugees,” and “Hamas will respect the results [of a referendum] regardless of whether it differs with its ideology and principles.”[298] .. . implicitly recognizing the ‘right’ of Israel to exist.
The rewritten charter doesn’t substantially change what Hamas said in 1988. Their actions and words confirm to the 1988 Charter.
The Atlantic article recognizes what the intent is but clarifies what Hamas wants.
“In fact, the new document differs little from its predecessor. Much like the original, the new document asserts Hamas’s long-standing goal of establishing a sovereign, Islamist Palestinian state that extends, according to Article 2, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea and from the Lebanese border to the Israeli city of Eilat—in other words, through the entirety of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. “
You wish to base your claim on Hamas rejecting the words in the Charter that are primary to their stated beliefs.
You sound like you know nothing or that you are one of them.
“Ya got that text of the charter ? I seriously doubt it.”
It’s in their charter. Ignorance is your defense of your ideas. The Muslim Brotherhood writes similar thought about the West.
LMAO – another pathetic loser without a clue attacks…
I’m not the one with the big problem here, as we see.
I met the challenge, no one has met your side’s.
So far it’s 2 for me, zero for you guys, in this specific matter. I have many other wins, but I won’t grind them in right now.
You ran away like the coward you are. Parts of the Hamas charter were copied to the blog. Let us hear your lazy mind defend them. Nope. You will run away again.
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.”
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Based on your understanding, incredibly wrong, war crimes are endemic to war and committed on a continuous basis by all nations.
What you forget is that Hamas fighters are war criminals since they hide behind civilians, women and children. That is why they have no standing under the Geneva laws. No state is required to feed, house and clothe their enemy they are fighting.
Israel has been most respectful of the Geneva Conventions, more so than almost any other nation and certainly more so than the war criminal terrorists from Hamas that kill innocent women and children. If Hamas disappeared the people of Gaza would be free to live better lives so we should all hope to destroy Hamas.
Anyone going to defend the slaughter or close to a million WHITE CHRISTIANS in Ukraine by the idiot JEW ZELINKSY HIS JEW OLIGARCH, THE JEW NULAND, THE JEW BLINKEN …
20 MILLION WHITE CHRISTIANS FLED UKRAINE, FLED THE POGROM AGAINST THEIR RACE AND RELIGION.
The jews glorify in it, while the white Christians are slaughtered, while they control the slaughter, as pointed out above. Russia, about 50% ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, another bonus for the jews that hate others, a slaughtering genocide against the white race.
If Jews love the slaughter of white Christians, why are Jewish groups and media one of the most vocal about the slaughter and displacement of Christians.
I will give one example of many.
The Never-Ending ‘Pandemic’: 360 Million Christians Persecuted Worldwide
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19365/christians-persecuted
Maybe your extreme bias is clouding your vision.
They aren’t, we have never heard it once from jews or the media. That’s why, they don’t do it.
One example is right above your post. Deal with it or run away again.
DEI is pure poison. Here is a story by an insider:
https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/i-was-a-dei-director-dei-drives-campus-antisemitism/
Dear Professor Turley or Darren:
You have a problem. The comment section to this blog has become infested by a literal Nazi spreading his Jew hatred. I know you believe in free speech, but would you let Joseph Goebbels spread Nazi propaganda from your living room?
Yours sincerely,
Uncle Henry
The Nazis on the blog are first learning what they are. The problem is that they are beginning to like it.
Violence and threats of violence were the inevitable results of the paradigm of the Left, which teaches anything other than exact conformity is an act of violence. Someone politely disagreeing with you is perceived as violence. Someone disagreeing that a man can become a women, is perceived as an act of violence.
Only the approved party line shall be tolerated.
By encouraging character assassination of anyone in opposition, the Left framed the argument as one must agree, or they are evil. It is impossible to wrong evil, and so any and all measures to silence opposition are virtuous.
The Left is now eating its own, as Democrats discover that they don’t agree with all the items on the Democrat Party Platform, such as anti-Israel sentiment in support of terrorist attacks. They are now labeled hate groups, and attacked. Being Jewish, and voicing support for Israel, can result in other Democrats categorizing you as a hate group, and threatening you.
The arguments of conversatives have been falling on deaf ears, that disagreement is not violence, and should not be met with violence. Perhaps some Democrats are getting a more nuanced understanding of the totalitarian aspects of their political party.
Jemma Decristo has the right to any opinion she wants about Israel, up until she threatens students, harasses students, or requires students to follow her personal dogma in order to receive a better grade. Any threat of violence should be investigated by law enforcement. If Decristo’s threats damage the reputation of UC Davis, or result in declining applications, then her employment should be reviewed.
Decristo is voicing opinions in line with expectations with the administration of the UC System. After all, they have been selectively hiring from the far Left, and discriminating against anyone right of socialists, for decades. The reputation of the UC System is that the environment is antisemitic, bigoted against conservatives, Catholics, and Jews, and engages in racial discrimination against Asians and whites in the application process. I don’t know how Decristo could possibly damage a reputation that low.
Professor Turley would have universities diversity viewpoints in its hiring process. Its hiring process is controlled by far Left Democrats who seek to politicize every topic of study, so it would be contrary to their goals to diversity. It will never happen.
I firmly believe that Congress should pass a law that either bars federal funds from universities that engage in viewpoint discrimination, such as the standard harassment of conservatives, OR that such viewpoint discrimination must be made clear on all university marketing materials and application forms.
It is not just that taxpayer money is used to promote only Democrat ideology, in the form of the politicized NPR, and almost all universities. These aren’t professors and administrators who just happen to be Democrats; they incorporate their ideology in almost every class, requiring conformity in students. Their politics are being taught as law.
1984 approaches.
“It’s the [dictatorship of the hired help], stupid!”
– James Carville
In yet another indication that our nation has gone nuts, a Circuit Judge in Bexar County, Texas hit the panic button and fled his courtroom. It appears a physical altercation erupted during a “routine” preliminary hearing. Judges have panic buttons? I thought they wore a black robe inside the court room because it gave them super powers. SMH.
Video shows melee in Bexar County courtroom as murder suspect is attacked, beaten by victim’s family
Judge Ron Rangel, administrative judge for the Bexar County criminal district courts, said Judge Mery hit a panic button and left the courtroom as he’s been instructed in the past to do.
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2023/10/20/video-shows-melee-in-bexar-county-courtroom-as-murder-suspect-is-attacked-beaten-by-victims-family/
My spouse keeps telling me, “it’s going to get worse!” One of the benefits of being married is having a bona fide sage in one’s home! Grrrrr!
So go into gaza and hold court.
Boohoo
Breaking: Jewish synagogue president murdered outside her home in Detroit. Perhaps somebody had her address and was inspired by this UC prof? Too early to tell but it could be.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12657327/Samantha-woll-synagogue-leader-MURDERED-Detroit-jewish.html
That’s heartbreaking. This jihad against Jewish people could easily break open here, in a coordinated terrorist attack. I’m Christian, but I stand firmly in support of Israel.
Thanks Karen, it is good to know. I always enjoy reading your contributions to the comment section.
Yours as always,
Uncle Henry
“The mother of a six-year-old Muslim boy murdered by the family’s landlord is so severely injured and traumatized she is yet to speak about the horrifying ordeal, the child’s great-uncle said.
Wadea Al-Fayoume was stabbed to death on Saturday afternoon at his home, and his mother, Hanaan Shahin, 32, was stabbed 26 times.
The attack was so vicious the 12-inch kitchen knife remained embedded in the child’s body until the autopsy.
The attacker, Joseph Czuba became obsessed with the coverage of the Hamas terror attack of October 7 and ‘flipped’, a local activist told CNN.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12647825/Wadea-Al-Fayoume-mother-stabbed-joseph-czuba-Illinois.html
Is this heartbreaking or are you happy about it ?
All predictable, all expected, given the voices from Democrats and their allies in peddling Hamas talking points, e.g. The New York Times, et al. Democrats are inciting these deadly, violent events with their hate speech against Israel and Jews. I recently visited Mother Jones website because someone sent me a link to an article about medical journals retracting published research articles. I took a quick look at their headlines. It read like a broadsheet for Hamas. It is stunning how the Left have now embraced Nazism, but then again, their accusing others of Nazism was textbook projection.
https://www.motherjones.com/?s=gaza
Mother Jones, wretch wretch! My father-in-law (of blessed memory), a conservative, oddly ordered a subscription once, and found it unreadable, which has also been my consistent experience.
The Left really is the home to anti-Semitism today. There are a few isolated anti-Semitic looneys on the Right, but on the Left it has become institutionalized.
The mother of a six-year-old Muslim boy murdered by the family’s landlord is so severely injured and traumatized she is yet to speak about the horrifying ordeal, the child’s great-uncle said.
Wadea Al-Fayoume was stabbed to death on Saturday afternoon at his home (one week ago), and his mother, Hanaan Shahin, 32, was stabbed 26 times.
The attack was so vicious the 12-inch kitchen knife remained embedded in the child’s body until the autopsy.
The attacker, Joseph Czuba, became obsessed with the coverage of the Hamas terror attack of October 7 and ‘flipped’, a local activist told CNN.
I want to hear how heartbreaking this is.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12647825/Wadea-Al-Fayoume-mother-stabbed-joseph-czuba-Illinois.html
So far we have 1.5 murders due the one sided news coverage sending jew supporting people on a murderous rampage against innocent Palestinians in the USA.
Better “tone it down”, meaning and including all the lies I have had to destroy utterly.
“Better “tone it down”, meaning and including all the lies I have had to destroy utterly.”
The only thing you destroyed was your reputation. Time to find another alias.