Darwinian Dilemma: Scientists See Fossil As “Missing Link” While Creationist Scientists See Old Dead Monkey

225px-Darwinius_radiographsScientists have discovered what is being heralded as the long sought “missing link” — a 47-million-year-old fossilized skeleton of a monkey called Ida that is 95% complete. It is believed to show a direct connection between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom. Of course, anyone who has a master’s in creationist science in Texas or runs as a GOP candidate for president can tell you that the researchers have been duped. Since the Earth is only 10,000 years old, the radiometric dating is obviously wrong by roughly 47 million years and evolution is just a god-hating, atheist-advancing theory.

Ida was originally found in a rich fossil quarry near Frankfurt.

What is amazing is that this fossil was hanging for 20 years on the wall of a collector’s home. It eventually was shown to an expert in Hamburg who notified the world. It is now being called the “eighth wonder of the world” — except in Texas where it is being called a dead monkey.

Bill Nye might want to be consulted before the bring Ida to the Lone Star state.

Id is a 95%-complete lemur monkey.

Part of the delay was due to the dealer’s demand for more than $1 million (£660,000) — it took months to raise the unprecedented sum and Ida was brought to Oslo. It will be shown for one day in London, making this the most traveled 47-million-year-old lemur in history.

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46 Responses to “Darwinian Dilemma: Scientists See Fossil As “Missing Link” While Creationist Scientists See Old Dead Monkey”


  1. 1 Anonymously Yours 1, May 20, 2009 at 6:13 am

    Well, what do you think about Republican Arabic Math. Works for them. 1 and 1 equal 1, mine.

  2. 2 mespo727272 1, May 20, 2009 at 6:14 am

    I think Ida’s more intelligent than her detractors. Both do enjoy the same cranium contents however.

  3. 3 rafflaw 1, May 20, 2009 at 6:50 am

    Ida probably escaped from Texas 47 million years ago. I think she deserves to go back to remind those Texan creationists that they are blind.

  4. 5 Bob,Esq. 1, May 20, 2009 at 7:14 am

    “It is believed to show a direct connection between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom.”

    Let’s sum up:

    The average American is either unaware or doesn’t care that their Fourth Amendment right to private telephone calls continues to be violated as a matter of procedure.

    The average American is either unaware or doesn’t care that their right to habeas corpus has been suspended in more ways than King George III could have ever imagined.

    The average American is either unaware or doesn’t care that congress and the executive have been holding themselves higher above the law than King George III with statements such as “we need to look ahead, not behind.”

    Etc.

    So, the way I see it, Ida, the aforementioned dead monkey, proves nothing more than …

    MANKIND HAS NOT EVOLVED AN INCH FROM THE SLIME THAT SPAWNED HIM!

  5. 6 whooliebacon 1, May 20, 2009 at 7:35 am

    Ida was probably killed by falling of the flat Earth edge near Wasilla, Alaska.

    Good one AY!

  6. 7 Jill 1, May 20, 2009 at 7:44 am

    Blasphemer–the earth is 4000 years old, not 10,000. The word “Blasphemer” comes from an obscure origin. Blas is thought by Dan Brown to refer to an ancient god, co-equal at one time, to Yahweh. The information about Blas is hidden in various fossils which his followers planted all over the world to fool certain believers in Yahweh. The followers of Blas pointed the way to the early origin of fossils by introducting the word, “femur” around 1500 A.D. The word “femur” is found in alchemist texts where it’s actual meaning is clearly deciphered as “lemur”. Hence, it was known to the followers of Blas that this lemur existed and would eventually be found by modern humans. The original prophetic text also mentioned, “a sum greater than most others” as the price to be paid for this knowledge. Now there is a plot by followers of Blas to take over the world. They have implanted the ideas of secession in Gov. Perry’s mind via advanced scientific telephathy that is able to penatrate even the must numb skull. I have already said too much. If you read and understand what I have said you will probably be killed by the church for possessing this knowledge! Good luck, godspeed.

  7. 8 Bron98 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:02 am

    BobEsq:

    “So, the way I see it, Ida, the aforementioned dead monkey, proves nothing more than …

    MANKIND HAS NOT EVOLVED AN INCH FROM THE SLIME THAT SPAWNED HIM!”

    We have regressed over the last few decades, I think because of a lack of education about those types of issues. We also have a press that seems uninterested in letting people know their rights are being trounced.

    I also think people think they can do nothing, for example when the patriot act came up I called all of my representatives and told them I was against it’s passage and a good number of my friends did to, no one listende to us. I think many people called against it but it got passed anyway.

    I think you should narrow your focus to politicians, they are assclowns and examples of human devolution.

  8. 9 Mike Appleton 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:04 am

    Actually, the one on the right looks more like Dick Cheney descending into his bunker after 9/11.

  9. 10 Mike Appleton 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:19 am

    Bron, the regression has actually been going on for more than a few decades. Conservative religious forces began their anti-Darwinian campaign immediately after publication of The Origin of Species. Indeed, the term “fundamentalism” came from a series of publications entitled “The Fundamentals” printed in the early 1900s. One section dealt expressly with the heresies of “evolutionism.” When advances in educational levels in general, and in biblical scholarship in particular, left the conservative theological arguments in tatters, fundamentalists reacted by developing the concept of “creationism” and “intelligent design,” conservative theology poorly dressed as science. In the last twenty years, we have witnessed increasingly agressive attempts to preserve the fundamentalist worldview through the introduction of pseudo-science into school curricula. And we wonder why our students are increasingly unable to compete with their peers in the rest of the world?

  10. 11 ROSE COLORED GLASSES 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:19 am

    What goes into office half white and half black but turns red?

    Answer: Barack Obama

  11. 12 Mike Spindell 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:33 am

    ROSE COLORED GLASSES,
    What is a moron who thinks he/she/it is clever?: ROSE COLORED GLASSES.

  12. 13 Bron98 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:49 am

    MikeS:

    now that was funny! LMAO. I especially liked the he/she/it part.

  13. 14 Mike Spindell 1, May 20, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Anyone who believes the creation story is anything but a metaphor and is supposed to be taken as fact is a fool. A reading of Genesis confirms this, such as where did the women who Adam’s sons married come from? Anyone who believes the story of Noah and his ark is likewise deluded. I do think it references a historical flood and there is evidence for it, but the idea of all the animals in the Ark for all those days, would require a ship the size of a very large island. That doesn’t even account for all that food and disposal of waste.

    Could God have created the Universe, I admit the possibility and that is why I am a deist. However, most people who listened to the creation tales in biblical times understood them to be metaphors and the time frames not to be taken seriously. Also those who believe that the Gospels and the Torah are the exact words directly from God are either fools or con men. The Torah was obviously taken from at least two different sources and went through a process of canonization
    after around 500BCE. The Gospels, etc. were canonized at the Council of Hippo towards the end of the Fourth Century CE, this is historical fact. The other problem is the Torah portion of the Christian Canon was mistranslated in spots either purposely or inadvertently. Then too, The gospels of Thomas and of Mary of Magdala, were left out and suppressed from the Christian Canon because they didn’t follow the Roman/Church part line. These gospels were as much valid testimony as the other four, came from the same era, but gave a different outlook to Jesus’ teachings.

    Given this, why you might ask am I a practicing Jew and I would answer you: because it makes me feel good and because I suspect there is a creative force intimately involved with the Universe. However, I think we humans are incapable at present of understanding that force and understanding its’ motivations, if it has any. Secondly, as I’ve said before the
    Rabbinic teachings of Rabbi Hillel make sense to me as a way of life, even if there were no God to enforce it.

  14. 15 dude 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:11 am

    accept = except. hopefully you are as forgiving of typos as you grade my final from last semester : )

  15. 16 jonathanturley 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Dude:

    Rest assured that I will not take off any points for any typos I write on your exam. I hope that you can except that as payment for your proofing.

    JT

  16. 17 mr.ed 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:28 am

    My brother in law knows that the earth is 6000 years old. He’s bigger than I am, so it must be true. In Falls Church VA, anyway.

  17. 18 Buddha Is Laughing 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:29 am

    rofl

  18. 19 Buddha Is Laughing 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Prof.,

    You are a magnanimous grader!

    Bob,

    We are not men. We are Devo.

  19. 20 Anonymously Yours 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:47 am

    OMG

    jonathanturley 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Dude:

    Rest assured that I will not take off any points for any typos I write on your exam. I hope that you can except that as payment for your proofing.

    JT

    Clarity in the answer I see.

    Rest assured that I will not take off any points for any typos I write on your exam.

    Are you sure you were not my Prof?

  20. 21 Bob,Esq 1, May 20, 2009 at 10:00 am

    Bron98:

    “We have regressed over the last few decades, I think because of a lack of education about those types of issues.”

    Yep, we’re raising them as dumb as ditch-water.

    “We also have a press that seems uninterested in letting people know their rights are being trounced.”

    Wouldn’t you also agree that the press wouldn’t know the concept of tyranny, in the Lockean sense, if they were pissing on it?

  21. 22 Former Federal LEO 1, May 20, 2009 at 10:17 am

    dude sayed:

    1, May 20, 2009 at 9:11 am
    accept = except. hopefully you are as forgiving of typos as you grade my final from last semester : )
    ———

    dude, They is a Acception to ever rule.

    We have discussed this “issue” before, especially of late. This is a cottin’ pickin’ blawg *not* an etymological and/or grammatical treatise of Black’s Law Dictionary.

    Grade ‘F’ Dud(e)

  22. 23 Former Federal LEO 1, May 20, 2009 at 10:27 am

    bob frog, Esq.

    Yo’ aint graced dez ‘sheer parts ‘n quite a spell–I done feared that some suthner’ fried yo’ up for hisn’ evenin’ mess of chitlins, greens, n’ frog legs.

  23. 24 CCD 1, May 20, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Bob, Esq.

    How are the plans for the surreptitious trip in late October progressing? Madam Speaker and Lord Assistant Justice having affirmed their availability leaves only Ida’s relative in the wheel chair to confirm. What a walk through the state of nature could do for a nation.

    Oh scratch the above, reason and the cause of truth must prevail!

  24. 25 Gyges 1, May 20, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Mike,

    I thought there were three main sources for the Torah. In his “Guide to the Bible” Asimov calls them the P (for Priestly) J (because of it’s use of Jehovah Elohim) and E (which uses just plain Elohim) documents. The J was written down earlier and in Judah, where as the E document presented the same stories as told in the Northern kingdom. They were combined after the Northern Kingdom was destroyed in the 8th century, and it was this unified work that the P material was added, but originally there were two separate strands.

    O.k. I’m done geeking out.

  25. 26 Buddha Is Laughing 1, May 20, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Gyges,

    You ever check out “Asimov’s Chronology of the World”? Not only a first rate mystery and S/F writer, but he did write a damn fine reference book too.

  26. 27 Gyges 1, May 20, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I forgot to mention: Does anyone else think the WSJ needs to hire JT as a headline consultant? “Fossil Discovery Is Heralded…”

  27. 28 Former Federal LEO 1, May 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    “It is now being called the “eighth wonder of the world” — except in Texas where it is being called a dead monkey.”
    __________

    For some reason, that statement is especially funny to me…

  28. 29 Dredd 1, May 20, 2009 at 3:40 pm

    It looks like something buried in Cheney’s back yard. Alongside his Book of Bowser.

    http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2009/05/book-of-bowser.html

  29. 30 mespo727272 1, May 20, 2009 at 3:46 pm

    Mike Spindell:

    “Anyone who believes the creation story is anything but a metaphor and is supposed to be taken as fact is a fool.”
    *********************

    It’s amazing that many fundamentalist churches are nothing more than a reverse Cargo Cults, relying on ancient stories, that the original listeners knew were metaphors, as evidence of literal events. I am starting to think that Bob,Esq is right, we haven’t evolved much.

  30. 31 CCD 1, May 20, 2009 at 4:23 pm

    “We are not men. We are Devo.”- BIL

    When I read that I chuckled. After looking up the lyrics I understand why you’re always laughing! Well served boss! :)

  31. 32 Bron98 1, May 20, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    BobEsq:

    “Wouldn’t you also agree that the press wouldn’t know the concept of tyranny, in the Lockean sense, if they were pissing on it?”

    Yes, I would most definitely agree with that assesment they would not know John Locke from a john lock.

    “Where-ever law ends, tyranny begins, if the law be transgressed to another’s harm; and whosoever in authority exceeds the power given him by the law, and makes use of the force he has under his command, to compass that upon the subject, which the law allows not, ceases in that to be a magistrate; and, acting without authority, may be opposed, as any other man, who by force invades the right of another.”

    John Locke “Chapter XVIII. Of Tyranny/ Sec 202″

  32. 33 Gyges 1, May 20, 2009 at 4:57 pm

    Mespo,

    I’d say the fact that we’re having this discussion shows just how much we’ve evolved away from other animals. Heck it’s still going on (just look at the fact that in the foreseeable future all men will be color-blind). The thing to remember is, evolution doesn’t have a goal any more than fire does. It’s just something that happens because of the laws of our particular section of the cosmos.

  33. 34 Mike Spindell 1, May 20, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    Gyges,
    You caught me. I knew there was for a fact J & P but couldn’t for the life of me remember the third, E and didn’t want to write it if I couldn’t remember it. So I stuck with the two I knew, rather than looking it up and low and behold an old guy can’t get away with anything on this site. Asimov was amazing I think he wrote more than 250 (at least that many) books on all subjects.

  34. 35 Gyges 1, May 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm

    Mike,

    You could make a pretty good case that the J and E are really J and J-prime, or that the JE document that was synthesized with the P was a unique thing unto itself. Either way you’re saying the same thing.

  35. 36 Mike Spindell 1, May 20, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Mespo,
    Reverse cargo cults works. The saddest part is that the wisdom gets pushed aside for the fairy tales, because there is great wisdom to be found in most religious teachings. However, talking of philosophy doesn’t help to keep the masses in line, or the money flowing in, so the pretend pious men (part of the problem is the misogyny)who lead, concentrate on the parts where no wisdom is contained, except of course in metaphors, that are then misread as history.

  36. 37 Mike Spindell 1, May 20, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Gyges,
    Thanks for the save, but I prefer the 3 sources idea and I just had a brain freeze.

  37. 38 mespo727272 1, May 20, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    Apparently the creationist crowd have quite a problem running schools and orphanages especially in Ireland. Here are some of the conclusions of the gruesome report of the Irish Government’s Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse released yesterday. The report which details decades of physical and sexual abuse of tens of thousands of wards in care of the Catholic Church reads like a cross between Charles Dickens and Marquis DeSade. I encourage all with sufficient stomach to read at least the Executive Summary. The two most prominent conclusions are:

    “Conclusions
    1.Physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of the institutions. Sexual abuse occurred in many of them, particularly boys’ institutions. Schools were run in a severe,
    regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff.
    2. The system of large-scale institutionalisation was a response to a nineteenth century social problem, which was outdated and incapable of meeting the needs of individual children.
    The defects of the system were exacerbated by the way it was operated by the Congregations that owned and managed the schools. This failure led to the institutional
    abuse of children where their developmental, emotional and educational needs were not met.”

    The report is at:
    http://www.childabusecommission.ie/rpt/

  38. 39 lottakatz 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:06 am

    Reading this as I watch Craig Ferguson’s show, a British comedian is talking about her family’s history and coming from a family that has 200 years of birth certificates that say ‘Agricultural Worker’: ‘we’re just peasants, we’re still standing in line waiting to be working class. I’m not going to research our family; what’s the point? It’s just going to be Peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, monkey, fish….

    I had to LOL and thought it was an odd confluence of inputs. :-)

  39. 40 hidflect 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:21 am

    It’s quite ironic; the creationists are screeching like monkeys while the evolutionists are seeking knowledge, wisdom and the truth.

  40. 41 Bob,Esq. 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Buddha,

    A Devo reference?

    Could you be any more arcane?

  41. 42 Bob,Esq. 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Former Federal LEO,

    Thanks, I’m fine; however it appears I’m in need of a new computer.

    Regardless, I couldn’t understand what you wrote until I had a Mr. Pibb.

  42. 43 Bob,Esq. 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Mespo:

    “I am starting to think that Bob,Esq is right, we haven’t evolved much.”

    Why thank you sir.

  43. 44 Former Federal LEO 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Ha!

  44. 45 Bob,Esq. 1, May 21, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Bron,

    Keep Ch 18 of Locke’s 2nd Treatise handy as politicians use the “let’s look ahead instead of dwelling on the past” as their excuse for not prosecuting patent violations of the law.


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