Darwinian Dilemma: Scientists See Fossil As “Missing Link” While Creationist Scientists See Old Dead Monkey

225px-Darwinius_radiographsScientists have discovered what is being heralded as the long sought “missing link” — a 47-million-year-old fossilized skeleton of a monkey called Ida that is 95% complete. It is believed to show a direct connection between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom. Of course, anyone who has a master’s in creationist science in Texas or runs as a GOP candidate for president can tell you that the researchers have been duped. Since the Earth is only 10,000 years old, the radiometric dating is obviously wrong by roughly 47 million years and evolution is just a god-hating, atheist-advancing theory.

Ida was originally found in a rich fossil quarry near Frankfurt.

What is amazing is that this fossil was hanging for 20 years on the wall of a collector’s home. It eventually was shown to an expert in Hamburg who notified the world. It is now being called the “eighth wonder of the world” — except in Texas where it is being called a dead monkey.

Bill Nye might want to be consulted before the bring Ida to the Lone Star state.

Id is a 95%-complete lemur monkey.

Part of the delay was due to the dealer’s demand for more than $1 million (£660,000) — it took months to raise the unprecedented sum and Ida was brought to Oslo. It will be shown for one day in London, making this the most traveled 47-million-year-old lemur in history.

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46 thoughts on “Darwinian Dilemma: Scientists See Fossil As “Missing Link” While Creationist Scientists See Old Dead Monkey”

  1. Reading this as I watch Craig Ferguson’s show, a British comedian is talking about her family’s history and coming from a family that has 200 years of birth certificates that say ‘Agricultural Worker’: ‘we’re just peasants, we’re still standing in line waiting to be working class. I’m not going to research our family; what’s the point? It’s just going to be Peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, peasant, monkey, fish….

    I had to LOL and thought it was an odd confluence of inputs. 🙂

  2. Apparently the creationist crowd have quite a problem running schools and orphanages especially in Ireland. Here are some of the conclusions of the gruesome report of the Irish Government’s Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse released yesterday. The report which details decades of physical and sexual abuse of tens of thousands of wards in care of the Catholic Church reads like a cross between Charles Dickens and Marquis DeSade. I encourage all with sufficient stomach to read at least the Executive Summary. The two most prominent conclusions are:

    “Conclusions
    1.Physical and emotional abuse and neglect were features of the institutions. Sexual abuse occurred in many of them, particularly boys’ institutions. Schools were run in a severe,
    regimented manner that imposed unreasonable and oppressive discipline on children and even on staff.
    2. The system of large-scale institutionalisation was a response to a nineteenth century social problem, which was outdated and incapable of meeting the needs of individual children.
    The defects of the system were exacerbated by the way it was operated by the Congregations that owned and managed the schools. This failure led to the institutional
    abuse of children where their developmental, emotional and educational needs were not met.”

    The report is at:
    http://www.childabusecommission.ie/rpt/

  3. Gyges,
    Thanks for the save, but I prefer the 3 sources idea and I just had a brain freeze.

  4. Mespo,
    Reverse cargo cults works. The saddest part is that the wisdom gets pushed aside for the fairy tales, because there is great wisdom to be found in most religious teachings. However, talking of philosophy doesn’t help to keep the masses in line, or the money flowing in, so the pretend pious men (part of the problem is the misogyny)who lead, concentrate on the parts where no wisdom is contained, except of course in metaphors, that are then misread as history.

  5. Mike,

    You could make a pretty good case that the J and E are really J and J-prime, or that the JE document that was synthesized with the P was a unique thing unto itself. Either way you’re saying the same thing.

  6. Gyges,
    You caught me. I knew there was for a fact J & P but couldn’t for the life of me remember the third, E and didn’t want to write it if I couldn’t remember it. So I stuck with the two I knew, rather than looking it up and low and behold an old guy can’t get away with anything on this site. Asimov was amazing I think he wrote more than 250 (at least that many) books on all subjects.

  7. Mespo,

    I’d say the fact that we’re having this discussion shows just how much we’ve evolved away from other animals. Heck it’s still going on (just look at the fact that in the foreseeable future all men will be color-blind). The thing to remember is, evolution doesn’t have a goal any more than fire does. It’s just something that happens because of the laws of our particular section of the cosmos.

  8. BobEsq:

    “Wouldn’t you also agree that the press wouldn’t know the concept of tyranny, in the Lockean sense, if they were pissing on it?”

    Yes, I would most definitely agree with that assesment they would not know John Locke from a john lock.

    “Where-ever law ends, tyranny begins, if the law be transgressed to another’s harm; and whosoever in authority exceeds the power given him by the law, and makes use of the force he has under his command, to compass that upon the subject, which the law allows not, ceases in that to be a magistrate; and, acting without authority, may be opposed, as any other man, who by force invades the right of another.”

    John Locke “Chapter XVIII. Of Tyranny/ Sec 202”

  9. “We are not men. We are Devo.”- BIL

    When I read that I chuckled. After looking up the lyrics I understand why you’re always laughing! Well served boss! 🙂

  10. Mike Spindell:

    “Anyone who believes the creation story is anything but a metaphor and is supposed to be taken as fact is a fool.”
    *********************

    It’s amazing that many fundamentalist churches are nothing more than a reverse Cargo Cults, relying on ancient stories, that the original listeners knew were metaphors, as evidence of literal events. I am starting to think that Bob,Esq is right, we haven’t evolved much.

  11. “It is now being called the “eighth wonder of the world” — except in Texas where it is being called a dead monkey.”
    __________

    For some reason, that statement is especially funny to me…

  12. I forgot to mention: Does anyone else think the WSJ needs to hire JT as a headline consultant? “Fossil Discovery Is Heralded…”

  13. Gyges,

    You ever check out “Asimov’s Chronology of the World”? Not only a first rate mystery and S/F writer, but he did write a damn fine reference book too.

  14. Mike,

    I thought there were three main sources for the Torah. In his “Guide to the Bible” Asimov calls them the P (for Priestly) J (because of it’s use of Jehovah Elohim) and E (which uses just plain Elohim) documents. The J was written down earlier and in Judah, where as the E document presented the same stories as told in the Northern kingdom. They were combined after the Northern Kingdom was destroyed in the 8th century, and it was this unified work that the P material was added, but originally there were two separate strands.

    O.k. I’m done geeking out.

  15. Bob, Esq.

    How are the plans for the surreptitious trip in late October progressing? Madam Speaker and Lord Assistant Justice having affirmed their availability leaves only Ida’s relative in the wheel chair to confirm. What a walk through the state of nature could do for a nation.

    Oh scratch the above, reason and the cause of truth must prevail!

  16. bob frog, Esq.

    Yo’ aint graced dez ‘sheer parts ‘n quite a spell–I done feared that some suthner’ fried yo’ up for hisn’ evenin’ mess of chitlins, greens, n’ frog legs.

  17. dude sayed:

    1, May 20, 2009 at 9:11 am
    accept = except. hopefully you are as forgiving of typos as you grade my final from last semester : )
    ———

    dude, They is a Acception to ever rule.

    We have discussed this “issue” before, especially of late. This is a cottin’ pickin’ blawg *not* an etymological and/or grammatical treatise of Black’s Law Dictionary.

    Grade ‘F’ Dud(e)

  18. Bron98:

    “We have regressed over the last few decades, I think because of a lack of education about those types of issues.”

    Yep, we’re raising them as dumb as ditch-water.

    “We also have a press that seems uninterested in letting people know their rights are being trounced.”

    Wouldn’t you also agree that the press wouldn’t know the concept of tyranny, in the Lockean sense, if they were pissing on it?

  19. OMG

    jonathanturley 1, May 20, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Dude:

    Rest assured that I will not take off any points for any typos I write on your exam. I hope that you can except that as payment for your proofing.

    JT

    Clarity in the answer I see.

    Rest assured that I will not take off any points for any typos I write on your exam.

    Are you sure you were not my Prof?

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