Res ipsa loquitur ("The thing itself speaks")
Al Sharpton is the gift that keep on giving for conservatives. His comment on CNN on socialism is likely to make the top hits for political commercials in the mid-term elections. Sharpton said “The American Public Overwhelmingly Voted for Socialism When They Elected President Obama.”
With lines like this, Sharpton may be the featured speaker at next year’s Tea Party convention.
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This is the reason that Sharpton could not be elected: He is truthful.
You will never hear Barack Obama talk about Socialism, at least outside of his inner circle. But if you look at his background, Communist mentor, Marxist neighbor/friend William Ayers, endorsement in Illinois by the Socialist party, then you know his true feelings.
Barack Obama just doesn’t want “those dummies” (the American people) who simply misunderstand Socialism to not share in it’s dubious benefits. He is too smart for that. Considering that he was elected, perhaps there are mroe dummies than we realize.
With friends like these, who needs Cheney? Hey man, I got mine and so what is it that the Pope said about the Irish. They got there’s and so now they are uppity.
Al Sharpton.
Since when did he become an expert on anything other than self-promotion?
Do you want to know how credible he is?
Tawana Brawley.
The only reason he gets on TV is that programming managers know he’s polarizing and polarization equals ratings. But an “expert”? On politics and economics no less?
He doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the wall much less what socialism is.
I love how all these people who fear/hate socialism in any form do things like send back their Social Security checks and refuse to allow their town’s Fire Department to put out the flames when their house is burning down. I do feel sorry for them, though, as it is difficult to get anywhere when you avoid all publicly planned/paid for roads…
It must be tough for them to get to VA hospitals to protest: “Stop providing Socialist healthcare to our wounded vets! Kick them out of your government owned hospitals and make them get private insurance on the open marketplace to treat their life-threatening wounds! Boo, Socialism! Yay, free markets!”
I’m sure though, that they enjoyed their vacations to the “true free market” paradise of Afghanistan between the withdrawal of the Soviets and before the rise of the Taliban, where the economy there could “flourish”(?) free from silly government regulation or, gasp!, Socialism! What a glorious time and place that must have been!
Oh, and I forgot about all the time they put into amending the Constitution in order to get rid of patent and copyright. There must have been some horrible, bizzare proto-Socialist sneakiness that resulted in sneaking by our Founders such a government interference in the free marketplace for the common good! Gasp!
How on earth did our nascent nation survive with Socialism! (Gasp!) written into the very DNA of our country!
No conservatives listen to him discourse when it advocates some liberal cause, so the cafeteria style selection of his comments is quite obvious and useless.
This time he is wrong.
Why only listen to him when he is wrong then quote it as if he is not wrong?
I’m not saying the man’s credible, BUT, did anyone notice that Sharpton was speaking hypothetically right there?
Anyone?
Personally I think Rev. Al is correct. After the Joe the Plumber incident and his share the wealth comment only a person that could not put 2 and 2 together would think otherwise.
I am amazed that people are surprised by this.
Please define terms. Is “socialism” with a small ‘s’ or a capital “S’?
Do we speak of Socialism, the economic model which ” advocates either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources (wiki)”?
Or do we mean social programs which use some part of a federal budget for projects and institutions which work for the public good and “General Welfare” of the people?
I don’t think anyone from the left is talking about the former, and no one from the right is talking about the latter.
I think the public needs education on this, and Sharpton is starting that process by using the word socialism with positive connotations. Karl Rove was successful because he destroyed his opponent’s strengths in the eyes of the public. We have a great opportunity here to destroy our opponent’s greatest weapon – catchwords designed to malign progressive principles. We need to reclaim those words and NOT shy away from them.
Rev. Al Sharpton was commenting on Geraldo Rivera’s suggestion that “some would argue that it’s socialim.” Rev. Sharpton replied, “Well, I’d, first of all, then we’d have to say that the American public overwhelming voted for socialim when they elected President Obama….” At that point, the video is cut.
It may be a political goldmine for the Republicans, but that’s just the same political gamesmanship that for the past 30 years has placed the power and prestige of holding office over doing something worthwhile as a government official.
Rev. Sharpton was simply reminding Rivera and his audience that Obama is the duly elected president of the United States and that health care reform is the the change that he promised. If conservatives want to classify health care reform as “socialism,” then they are free to do so. But this is the change that was promised and this was the change that was delivered.
Rev. Sharpton’s is not saying that he believes health care reform is “socialism” or the President Obama is a “socialist” or even that the American people actually voted for “socialism.” Clearly they did not. But they did vote for Obama and health care reform is the “change” that then Sen. Obama promised.
Nothing wrong with that.
I’m not saying the man’s credible, BUT, did anyone notice that Sharpton was speaking hypothetically right there?
Anyone?
– Joe G, 1, March 22, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Exactly. Joe G makes my point more succinctly.
(Also, sorry for misspelling “socialism” above.)
Dead Pirate,
Do you actually know anything about socialism? As Gingerbaker mentioned, there is Socialism and social programs. We have social programs – not Socialism. And the horrible fear of a healthcare system that mirrors the “Socialist” European countries is just ridiculous. Everyone should read T.R. Reid’s “The Healing of America” which explains in great detail many of those scary socialist healthcare systems. We’re not even close – and that’s a sad thing.
As a UK citizen I have a lifetime of experience of evil socialist healthcare. It’s great! Or perhaps I’m just in denial as I’ve been brutalised so badly by the damned socialists making me better every time I’m ill or injured.
My wife was born and brought up in southern asia, where they have a very good and noble non-socialist system of healthcare – you can’t pay? Then go away! Most can’t pay and end up giving most of their hard earned pittance to dubious local “quack doctors”.
Suddnely, the term “Give me Socialism or give me death” becomes VERY real.
Sharpton is correct, though I believe that Obama is a “temporary” Marxist of the socialist persuasion. Obama is no dummy. He was reared a socialist.
Obama knows (because of his Marxist upbringing) that socialism destabilizes a country or civilization. Friedrich Hayek (co-winner of the Noble Peace Prize when it meant something) taught us this last century before Marxism destabilized Europe and led to the slaughter of tens of millions.
Destabilizing the economy is essential for establishing despotism and dictatorship.
If people get jobs, they won’t need Obama to rescue them and that is why Obama is not concerned about unemployment because he wants government to provide jobs as rewards just like the Communist party does in Communist nations.
This is also why Obama wants to take over handing out money for college. Those who approve of Marxism will get the loans. Those who don’t will be punished.
If Obama and the dems hold the keys to life (health, housing, education, and next food) they control everything. This is the tyranny our founders sought to avoid.
Obama knows all this and there is no other explanation for the takeover of private industry except that this is what Marxists and fascists do and this is political philosophy Obama adheres to.
How about ‘the public voted against corporate fascism’
Jericho: Fascism entails government taking over private businesses. That is exactly what Obama is doing.
“FASCISM will come at the hands of perfectly authentic Americans, as violently against Hitler and Mussolini as the next one, but who are convinced that the present economic system is washed up and that the present political system in America has outlived its usefulness and who wish to commit this country to the rule of the bureaucratic state; interfering in the affairs of the states and cities; taking part in the management of industry and finance and agriculture; assuming the role of great national banker and investor, borrowing millions every year and spending them on all sorts of projects through which such a government can paralyze opposition and command public support; marshaling great armies and navies at crushing costs to support the industry of war and preparation for war which will become our greatest industry; and adding to all this the most romantic adventures in global planning, regeneration, and domination all to be done under the authority of a powerfully centralized government in which the executive will hold in effect all the powers with Congress reduced to the role of a debating society. There is your fascist. And the sooner America realizes this dreadful fact the sooner it will arm itself to make an end of American fascism masquerading under the guise of the champion of democracy.” (from the Lew Rockwell website)
John T. Flynn 1944
Read about him @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Flynn
Tootie, you’ll have to come up with something better then pseudo-knowledge for calling Obama fascist… Obama is about as fascist as Bush was conservative..
Maybe read up on Adam Smith and Thorstein Veblen first… I also suppose you was the first in line to protest the last two wars/foreign occupations?
I would ask the Reverend the same question that consistantly stumps teabaggers: So, where’s this socialism?
Al Sharpton is a self-promoting idiot. He couldn’t define socialism if you put a gun to his head. Note that Obama kept both Sharpton and Jesse Jackson completely out of his campaign because he knew they were both poison.
First Obama is a communist. Now he’s a facist. I’m confused.
Obama is a centrist maybe slightly left of center but a centrist,nonetheless.
Jericho:
Fascism entails the government takeover of private industry. What don’t you get about this?
francisdane: Actually, Sharpton is a wily clever fellow who could probably give you an exact explanation of what socialism is since he has promoted it for decades.
Maaarrghk:
You said “I’m confused.”
It’s okay, we will wait for you to catch up.
Hint: Marxism and Fascism are not polar opposites, the are opposite sides of the same coin: collectivism by gunpoint.
Swarth: Marxists are never centrists.
The government takeover of private industry, AKA the workers taking control of the means of production.
So THAT’S facism?!
Tootie: I don’t get the part where you see ‘putting checks and balances in place so private industry does not totally control society and the markets can function’ as a full government takeover of private industry…
There’s this thing… it’s called a nuanced opinion…, you need it bad.
Maarg: The government take over of private industry is fascism. How many times did you want me to repeat that in order to be more clear?
Fascists were nationalists. This means that they didn’t want to jettison their national character.
Socialists were and are globalists with an eye for international hegemony and aggression.
This is the main difference between fascism and Marxism. One is nationalist (fascism) one is globalist (Marxism). Both are collectivist by gun point who claim the right to take over the operation of other peoples property (businesses).
Jericho:
You need clarity of opinion, and you need it bad.
Could you translate your last post?
Tootie
“Fascism entails the government takeover of private industry”.
You’re only 100% wrong. You described Communism above, not facism. Facism is the take over of government by private industry as is consistantly propsed by the GOP. Since you begin your arguments on a falsehood, or at least a lack of understanding of the facts, everything else you’ve said is irrelevant.
“Socialists were and are globalists with an eye for international hegemony and aggression.”
Bullshit.
Socialism is merely the middle road between total state ownership (Communism) and an economic free for all (Unregulated Capitalism). Both of the aforementioned economic systems have in recent times led to disaster – both in the former Soviet Union and in the United Stated and now the EU. Greece anyone?
Just like a troll to use a word they don’t understand and then make up a definition to suit their purposes. Socialism – the economic theory, when applied to political systems, is a system where the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles. Sounds an awful lot like regulated capitalism, now doesn’t it? Rhetorical. I know from previous experience you’ll just regurgitate more right wing GOP Neocon propaganda to justify the fascism taking place now in Washington and trying to assign blame for it to one party or the other. Partisan hackery is simply a distraction from the real issue and that issue is that corporations now have better access and more rights than citizens. The Constitution reads “We the People”, not “We the Legal Fiction of Corporations”.
I know what Al Sharpton meant, but he’s not always the most articulate guy in the room. With respect to Tootie’s hyperbole, I’d be interested in the identification of a single industry that’s been “taken over” by the government. It’s certainly not banking, or health insurance or the auto industry. The truth is that every time the government has ever attempted to level the economic playing field in this country, whether through the enactment of anti-trust laws, consumer protection statutes, labor laws or social security, the inevitable response has been charges of socialism, communism or fascism. None of the dire predictions ever materialize, of course. Take a deep breath, Tootsie. In due course, Republicans will once again be at the helm of the ship of state and will promptly steer a course in the direction of de-regulation, favorable tax treatment for the privileged and cutbacks in programs for the elderly, the poor and the mentally disabled. Then all will once again be right in your world. Life is a circle, but political life is a pendulum.
“”The broad-ranging powers granted to Roosevelt by Congress, before that body went into recess, were unprecedented in times of peace. Through this ‘delegation of powers,’ Congress had, in effect, temporarily done away with itself as the legislative branch of government. The only remaining check on the executive was the Supreme Court. In Germany, a similar process allowed Hitler to assume legislative power after the Reichstag burned down in a suspected case of arson on February 28, 1933.”
“The NAZI party newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, ‘stressed ‘ ‘Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies,’ ‘ praising the president’s style of leadership as being compatible Hitler’s own dictatorial Führerprinzip.’”
“‘I don’t mind telling you in confidence,’ FDR remarked to a White House correspondent, ‘that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.’”
That Italian gentleman was Mussolini.
Above Quotes from Wolfgang Schivelbusch
http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=311
We are still living under the effects of FDR’s fascist actions. Obama and crew are blazing down FDR’s path and the recent strong development of the police and surveillance state will make the US a fascist totalitarian state. Our only hope is the 10th Amendment.
“America has a dictator”. Benito Mussolini (describing FDR)
It’s a democratic party goal that gets interrupted every four years until all the mechanisms for success are put in place.
Clockwise, we are at 11:45, if midnight is dictatorship.
Yeah, and Mussolini was a political genius. That’s why he ended up hanging from a lamp post.
FDR, if he was anything, was a socialist. You know – that concept you either cannot or will not grasp.
Buddha:
We haven’t had unrestricted “capitalism” in the main since the civil war. It is screwy to think so. You can use the Marx’s term capitalism, I prefer free market.
FDR created the Agricultural Adjustment Administration which formed a farming cartel that hurt the little farmer. This is still with us today and yet it is idiotic leftists who whine about agri-business. It was democrats who tampered with that industry and gave the advantage to big business which has hurt the small farmer.
Both sides do this, but leftists seem only to complain when the right does it (though I would argue that a right wingers who do this are really left wingers philosophically).
You said socialism is merely a middle road. This is like saying rape is merely sexual activity.
Socialism is state control over the means of production by gunpoint. A free market is controlled by the people producing, buying, and selling freely and by choice. They are not taking orders from government except when contract is violated and a case goes to court. I support this system of contract.
It is government which creates monopolies. Like the railroads for instance. The government created that monopoly during the civil war era. The government now has a monopoly on education, and Obama is on a quest to secure even more federal control over it.
Government is now acquiring a monopoly on health care. It has a monopoly on housing loans and has just seized a monopoly on college loans. This is all fascist, by-the-way, because it is limited to the USA. If we were to seize Canada, for example, and force them into our system (like Russia did to others) then we would call it true Marxism because it is hegemonic. Fascism is the version of Marxism that stays at the local level.
Obama now needs to seize the food supply (the feds already have education (loans), housing (loans), and medicine (insurance)). Obama(and his wife) are busily working towards that goal by advocating command and control power over what we eat by virtue of the power seized with the health care heist.
It goes something like this: it will be criminal activity to be obese since it causes diseases which are costly for the state. Therefore there will be a race for wholesome foods to avoid criminal activity. The food supply is not now prepared to accommodate this race. A few eggs must be cracked. Thus: destabilization of the food supply or the threat thereof.
The health care heist will destabilize the food supply and the government will ride in on a white horse and save us from the chaos it created because it tampered with it in first place.
It is just like how the government created the housing bubble, thereby destabilizing the whole economy because government cannot run the housing loan industry, and then rode in on a white horse to save (not the little guy who lost his house) but the banks the government gave the power of monopoly to!
That’s the democratic party way!
Mike Appleton:
If democrats cared about the poor they would have helped them by now. But they don’t care and never will because democrats are evil people by nature. This is why they gave a billion dollars for one rich lawyer to run for president. That’s their vision of charity.
This is why Warren Buffet still hasn’t given up his money to the poor to provide for their health care. This is why Teresa Kerry isn’t living off 100k a year because she gave her wealth to those in need.
No, rich leftists like Soros are not going to give up their money to help Americans in need.
Men and women like this get the government to steal my money to give to the poor so the rich can live like gods and not feel guilty about it.
correction to Mike:
If democrats cared should have read: if leftists cared…and leftists are evil….
Yes, I know I’m wasting bits here, but one fundamental problem with screaming “that’s Fascism!!!” is that Fascism wasn’t particularly coherent. It was a mashing together of many components – yes, the takeover of government by business interests was part of it, so was nationalism, along with racism, adding in a dose of “traditional values”, lots of propaganda, not to mention the idea of “working up irrational mob anger, then unleashing it at your economic/political opponents.” (As we’ve seen at the “town hall meetings” and recently on the steps and in the halls of congress with spittle and slurs.) In any specific example of Fascism, you’ll find a de-emphasis of one or two of these, and the addition of several “local” components.
So this “Tootie” character is running around screaming that anything (s)he doesn’t like is “Fascism!!!!” By the standard that government control of a private company is Fascism, which “Tootie” is so locked into, my local gas and electric utilities are “Fascism!!!!” Really. Let’s all run in terror from the utility truck. eeek.
Another issue is that while actual Fascist governments certainly co-mingled with multi-national corporations (e.g. Ford and IBM did business with Nazi Germany), our modern world includes truly global corporations that are far more powerful than many national governments. How the co-mingling of powerful global corporations and national/local government plays out today is quite different than it did in the first half of the 20th century.
My point is that because it was never a terribly coherent ideology, and our modern world functions differently than it did 80 years ago, it’s very difficult to overlay the historic concept of “Fascism” onto current events.
(Am I right to infer from this ignorance+stupidity that Glen Beck and his ilk are promoting the idea that what happened in Nazi Germany was fundamentally government regulation of private industry? How many of those $150 “survival garden” seed packs that are advertised on Beck are going to be watered with Gatorade? (“Idiocracy” reference.) )
This is getting to be hard going!
The facists generally took over businesses not for the state but from those who did not fit in with facisms predudices in order to give to those who did fit in. These were usually small to medium family owned concerns.
They did not take over large companies in order to make them state owned, especially parts of multi-nationals.
Facism is generally business friendly, that’s why it’s leaders were often popular in other western countries, particularly the US.
Tootie,
You are just completely full of crap.
1)”We haven’t had unrestricted “capitalism” in the main since the civil war. It is screwy to think so. You can use the Marx’s term capitalism, I prefer free market.” You can “prefer” all you like but making up definitions to suit your propaganda troll needs is, what’s that? MAKING SHIT UP. FACT: We have lived in an economic climate of ever decreasing regulation since FDR and it is a headlong charge into fascism led the the GOP and their mantra of “de-regulation”.
2) Agri-business has killed what made this country able to stand on it’s own two feet in the first place: the family farm. Until the advent of WWII, agriculture in this country was largely a family endeavor. And an army travels on it’s stomach. I saw a documentary on WWII once (and I’ve seen so many I don’t recall the name). In it, a former Wehrmacht officer related the following tale. Upon being captured by the Americans during the Battle of the Bulge, he knew Germany was doomed. Why? Because one of the Americans had home-baked cookies that were still fresh and the German troops hadn’t seen supplies in weeks. It’s only since WWII that “Agri-business” arose to crush the family farms. And pump our children full of junk like high fructose corn syrup.
3) “You said socialism is merely a middle road. This is like saying rape is merely sexual activity.” Hyperbolic horse shit. Here . . . let me clarify this for you. Communism is when the state controls ALL industry and there is no personal property. Unregulated Capitalism is where there is no regulation of business at all – a state in which we are today for all intents and purposes – and is the lead up to fascism. See pre-WWII Italy for a perfect example (since your hero seems to be Mussolini). Socialism, however, is indeed the middle road because it allows private property and industry EXCEPT in areas that are critical to maintaining a healthy and robust society thats weakest links are as strong as they can be because the state prevents abuses by corporatist asshats. AGAIN: Socialism – the economic theory, when applied to political systems, is a system where the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles. Sounds an awful lot like regulated capitalism, now doesn’t it? Rhetorical. I know from previous experience you’ll just regurgitate more right wing GOP Neocon propaganda to justify the fascism taking place now in Washington and trying to assign blame for it to one party or the other. Partisan hackery is simply a distraction from the real issue and that issue is that corporations now have better access and more rights than citizens.
4) “The government now has a monopoly on education, and Obama is on a quest to secure even more federal control over it.” Oh really? I’m thinking all the local school boards and state colleges (and their administrative boards) would beg to differ. If the Federal government truly controlled education, we wouldn’t see stories like the ones coming out of Texas about revisionist history. You know – lies. That thing you like to pimp out as fact. And the government can create monopolies and they do under a socialist model – but the monopolies are state controlled. That’s not what the GOP advocates with “privatization”. They are advocating that individuals and corporations (with zero public accountability beyond a P/L statement) be given control over critical social support systems like Social Security. And there are other ways to create monopolies – just ask Bill Gates. He almost succeeded. It’s called “unfair anti-competitive business practices”. Like the GOP’s buddy, the oil cartel OPEC.
5) “Obama now needs to seize the food supply (the feds already have education (loans), housing (loans), and medicine (insurance)).” First – food (and drug) safety has been the purview of the FDA since its inception in 1927 when the . But it starts way before that. In 1848 when Congress passed the Drug Importation Act which tasked the US Customs Dept. to stop the importation of adulterated drugs from overseas. In 1862, under Lincoln, a chemist was appointed head of the Dept. of Agriculture. His name was Charles Wetherill. It was under his guidance that the Department of Chemistry was formed – the predecessor of the FDA. In 1883, another chemist, Dr. Harvey W. Wiley, was appointed to lead the Dept. of Chemistry’s study into adulterated foods. He is also known as the “Father of the Pure Food and Drugs Act” which was passed in 1906 along with the Meat Inspection Act under Teddy Roosevelt. In 1927, the Dept. of Chemistry is split into the Food, Drug, and Insecticide Administration (responsible for regulation) and the Bureau of Chemistry and Soils (responsible for research). In 1930, the name was shortened to FDA. When the FDA tries to update the then obsolete Food and Drug Act of 1906, it is met by stiff competition by industry. But in 1937, 107 people died from ingesting diethylene glycol (an ingredient of modern anti-freeze). Many of the dead are children as the diethylene glycol was in a patent medicine. This leads to the passage by Congress in 1938 of the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic (FDC) Act. Since then the FDA prevented many deaths by containing the use of pesticides (like the carcinogenic aminotriazole in 1959) and poorly studied drugs (like the birth defect inducing Thalidomide in 1962). The government has a long history of trying to keep poisons out of our food and drugs. So, unless Obama can time travel? You’re just full of it, sport.
5) “Obama(and his wife) are busily working towards that goal by advocating command and control power over what we eat by virtue of the power seized with the health care heist.” Paranoid much? But please, tell us how regulating another chemical like high fructose corn syrup is an affront to liberty.
6) “It goes something like this: it will be criminal activity to be obese since it causes diseases which are costly for the state. Therefore there will be a race for wholesome foods to avoid criminal activity. The food supply is not now prepared to accommodate this race. A few eggs must be cracked. Thus: destabilization of the food supply or the threat thereof.
The health care heist will destabilize the food supply and the government will ride in on a white horse and save us from the chaos it created because it tampered with it in first place.”
Pure paranoid drivel not worth addressing.
7) “It is just like how the government created the housing bubble, thereby destabilizing the whole economy because government cannot run the housing loan industry, and then rode in on a white horse to save (not the little guy who lost his house) but the banks the government gave the power of monopoly to!” Let’s ignore the fact that is was banking deregulation led by the GOP that allowed banks to make these unsafe loans in the first place. You mistake cause and effect once again.
8) The last line is pure trollish partisan hackery. And you should know by now that I could give a rat’s ass about either party. My loyalty is to the Constitution and the DOI – nothing else.
So, in conclusion, you’re a pantload.
I’ll let Mike A. tear you apart for his response to your inanity and insanity. Seriously, you should talk to someone about that paranoia. It’ll get ya!
Tootie,
Is the point where I have to quote the works of Mussolini as to what is and isn’t fascism? Or is it the point where you get egg on your face for claiming that Marx admired Mussolini? I get lost in your script sometimes.
Words have meanings. If you use a word that you don’t know the meaning for in front of people who do know the meaning, you run the risk of having those people think you shouldn’t be taken seriously.
BIL: That government assaulted the small farm is my point and FDR was in charge of that that his programs are still hurting the little guy.
That said 90 percent of farms are not agri-business. Obama will have to change that!
You said in point #3:
“Hyperbolic horse shit. Here . . . let me clarify this for you. Communism is when the state controls ALL industry and there is no personal property.”
Let me correct your bat guano. Communism is not when the state controls all industry. (You got that wrong in your frothing effort to prove to me that you know about Marxism than I do).
Communism is when the people (workers and unions) control all industry (production/services) There is no ownership of private business by an individual nor the state.
And if you haven’t figured it out yet, this is the process Obama is setting in motion even though I believe he is setting it in motion only to destabilize the country in order to destroy the Constitution.
I call Obama a temporary Marxist because he is only using it as a means to kill the Constitution. He is using it as a means because he knows full well that the establisment of Marxism always destabilizes a country.
And my money IS my property and Obama redistribution of it to others is akin to the communist take over of property.
Look, I realize that a large portion of the human race needs to be slaves. And I realize that all the leaders in the Democratic Party want to be slave drivers. But there are those of us who belong to neither party who want nothing of slavery and want to be left out of this neo-slave era in America.
Thank heaven for nullification and secession.
Gyges: Sorry. Stalin not Marx.
BIL:
So you don’t think that I face a risk of consuming bad things if there is no FDA?
How bizarre is that?
Bawk bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk…
Mommy save me I’m skeered to live and think on by own!
by=my*
Blah, blah, blah.
“Look, I realize that a large portion of the human race needs to be slaves. And I realize that all the leaders in the Democratic Party want to be slave drivers. But there are those of us who belong to neither party who want nothing of slavery and want to be left out of this neo-slave era in America.”
Paranoid partisan drivel is still paranoid drivel.
You want to be left out? Because your “party” isn’t in control? A party, which by the way, is directly responsible for starting an illegal war and deregulation of banks that lead to the mess we are in today?
No one is stopping you from leaving, sport.
I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year.
BIL: If you support the Constitution, then I take it you realize that the health-care heist bill is unconstitutional? (as is social security, medicare, medicaid, and a whole host of other usurpations which the Marxists have concocted?)
BIL: I don’t belong to any party.
And it was Aristotle who noted that the human race contained a large amount of “natural” slaves.
And I don’t believe human nature has changed much. And the clamor on the left for greater and greater government handouts is clear evidence that the natural born slave is alive and well in the modern world and America.
I’m for liberty, democrats loathe it, republicans aren’t sure.
From the Roosevelt Myth by John Flynn:
“[Mussolini] organized each trade or industrial group or professional group into a state-supervised trade association. He called it a corporative. These corporatives operated under state supervision and could plan production, quality, prices, distribution, labor standards, etc. The NRA* provided that in America each industry should be organized into a federally supervised trade association. It was not called a corporative. It was called a Code Authority. But it was essentially the same thing. These code authorities could regulate production, quantities, qualities, prices, distribution methods, etc., under the supervision of the NRA. This was FASCISM.” [my emphasis]
*NRA: National Recovery Administration (which was ultimately ruled unconstitutional only after it destroyed peoples’livelihoods)
rcampbell:
“Corporatism and socialism in today’s America
In more recent years, corporate interests have often cheered on big government programs, often the same ones championed by those who consider themselves anti-corporate. In the late 1990s, the now-defunct Enron was one of the largest lobbying influences behind the international Kyoto Treaty, which would have forced the world to comply with a ghastly web of new regulations and would have meant large energy contracts for Enron, had the company not gone bankrupt.” Anthony Gregory
That is how a fascist government takes over private business (crony capitalists are part of the take over).
This is exactly what is happening with the health-care heist. One of the largest health care corporations in America (HCA) (and the AMA) fully support the government take over of its own industry!
They are in bed together.
Fascism is the local application of Marxism for “the nation”. Straight up Marxism is global for “the worker”.
Tootie,
Care to back up that claim? The only mention of his opinion on Stalin that I’ve been able to find comes from an article describe (what are probably) Mussolini’s dairies, in which he supposedly
expresses a “seething” hatred of Stalin. The diaries may have been written post war though, so that’s to be expected.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/27/world/diary-excerpts-said-to-be-mussolini-s.html?pagewanted=1
Tootie,
Fascism is Marxism without the global overtones? Thanks for clearing up which part of the script it is.
Anyways, Mussolini would like a word with you (from The Doctrine of Fascism):
“The population policy of the regime is the consequence of these premises. The Fascist loves his neighbor, but the word neighbor “does not stand for some vague and unseizable conception. Love of one’s neighbor does not exclude necessary educational severity; still less does it exclude differentiation and rank. Fascism will have nothing to do with universal embraces; as a member of the community of nations it looks other peoples straight in the eyes; it is vigilant and on its guard; it follows others in all their manifestations and notes any changes in their interests; and it does not allow itself to be deceived by mutable and fallacious appearances.
Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism, the doctrine of historic materialism which would explain the history of mankind in terms of the class struggle and by changes in the processes and instruments of production, to the exclusion of all else.
That the vicissitudes of economic life – discoveries of raw materials, new technical processes, and scientific inventions – have their importance, no one denies; but that they suffice to explain human history to the exclusion of other factors is absurd. Fascism believes now and always in sanctity and heroism, that is to say in acts in which no economic motive – remote or immediate – is at work. Having denied historic materialism, which sees in men mere puppets on the surface of history, appearing and disappearing on the crest of the waves while in the depths the real directing forces move and work, Fascism also denies the immutable and irreparable character of the class struggle which is the natural outcome of this economic conception of history; above all it denies that the class struggle is the preponderating agent in social transformations. Having thus struck a blow at socialism in the two main points of its doctrine, all that remains of it is the sentimental aspiration-old as humanity itself-toward social relations in which the sufferings and sorrows of the humbler folk will be alleviated. But here again Fascism rejects the economic interpretation of felicity as something to be secured socialistically, almost automatically, at a given stage of economic evolution when all will be assured a maximum of material comfort. Fascism denies the materialistic conception of happiness as a possibility, and abandons it to the economists of the mid-eighteenth century. This means that Fascism denies the equation: well-being = happiness, which sees in men mere animals, content when they can feed and fatten, thus reducing them to a vegetative existence pure and simple.”
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
Oh yeah…in addition to the fascist take over of home loans, college loans, education, and health, the fascist take over of the food supply (using the health care heist as a means to that end) has already begun in earnest.
“Even as Michelle Obama plants a White House garden and encourages Americans everywhere to do the same thing, her husband is creating a brand new tool for the Big Business/Big Government powerbrokers: a new “Food Safety Administration” (FSA)…
…At the same time, Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) has introduced H.R. 875 to “protect the public health.” But it is not the public health that Ms. DeLauro wants to protect. It is the health of the demonic duo of Big Business and Big Government. Two other bills with similar machinations are S. 425, introduced by Senator Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), and H.R. 815, submitted by Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colorado).
In a nutshell, when these bills become law, every homegrown garden in the country will be regulated, inspected, controlled, and taxed by the federal government. (No, I am not making it up.) In addition, small, independent farms would most certainly be put out of business. In effect, the great Nanny State is posturing itself to completely take over the food business in America.” Chuck Baldwin, former presidential candidate for the Constitution Party.
Oh, and this:
ESPN reports*:
“The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation’s oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters…”
Marxist ALWAYS use famine to bring folks to their knees. They delight in this and are setting it up as we speak.
*
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/obamas-latest-assault-on-freedom-new-regulations-will-ban-sport-fishing/
gyges: I already said that there was difference between fascism and Marxism.
That doesn’t change the fact that both are collectivist.
Sorry you had to go to all that trouble when I already told you there was difference. It is like there is a difference between a man and woman but both are humans.
Tootie,
Actually you said that the main difference between the two was nationalism:
“Fascism is the local application of Marxism for “the nation”. Straight up Marxism is global for “the worker”.”
“Fascism is the version of Marxism that stays at the local level.”
“This is the main difference between fascism and Marxism. One is nationalist (fascism) one is globalist (Marxism). ”
Please read the quote, it’s Mussolini spelling out three major differences between Socialist and Fascist philosophy none of which involve nationalism.
So no, Nationalism isn’t Marxism without the globalism.
Edit:
“…said the main difference between the two was globalism…”
and
“…Fascism isn’t Marxism…”
Buddha Is Laughing: I saw a documentary on WWII once…
I remember that interview
that was also a line delivered by Col Hessler(Robert Shaw) in The Battle of the Bulge
Tootie: ESPN reports*
uh no, ESPN reported no such thing, it was an opinion piece written by a colunmist
Here is the ESPN statement:
“ESPNOutdoors.com inadvertently contributed to a flare-up Tuesday when we posted the latest piece in a series of stories on President Barack Obama’s newly created Ocean Policy Task Force, a column written by Robert Montgomery, a conservation writer for BASS since 1985.
Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of those — it was an opinion piece, and should clearly have been labeled as commentary.
And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view — if they chose to respond — throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column.”
here’s more
http://www.examiner.com/x-37128-Charlotte-Fishing-Examiner~y2010m3d11-Obama-fishing-ban-story-spread-by-Glenn-Beck-ESPN-needs-to-fire-Robert-Montgomery
Tootie:
what you are arguing is which smells worse, horse shit, dog shit or pig shit. They all smell like shit but of the three I’ll take horse shit if I have to take any.
Tootie,
The only thing about the health care bill that’s unconstitutional is . . . nothing.
Good luck pimping that partisan swill.
You want to talk unconstitutional? Two words:
Patriot Act. Brought to you by the GOP Neocon Fear Mongers.
C.E. Kook,
I had completely forgotten Mr. Shaw’s dynamite performance.
C.Everett Kook
If your a fisherman you don’t need the article. Commercial fisherman along the east coast of the U.S. are sitting idle right now.
Grouper season closed
Snapper season closed
Vermilion snapper closed
Tile Fish limit reduced 200lbs.
http://fromthewatermagazine.com/2010/02/re-snapper-grouper-closures/
“You want to talk unconstitutional? Two words:
Patriot Act. Brought to you by the GOP Neocon Fear Mongers.”
Quit bringing that up it makes us look stupid.
Byron,
lol
I’ll tell you what. I’ll quit bringing up the Patriot Act as soon as it’s repealed. Or Cheney is arrested for treason. Whichever comes first.
I promise.
EC,
I thought I’d seen every episode of “A Bit of Fry & Laurie”. That was hysterical! “Was he a John Lennon-y kind of guy?” ROFLOL
As far as the constitutionality of the health care reform bill, it’s rock solid. The bill isn’t written as a government mandate requiring citizens to buy insurance from the private for-profit insurance industry (which defines the reform as decidedly NOT SOCIALIST). The bill charges every citizen who does not have health insurance a tax. Like it or not, the federal government is well within its right to charge a tax. To mitigate the tax one simply has to have health insurance or, as an employer, offer insurance to your employees. Zap, no tax. It’s completely constutional.
rcampbell: you are just making an assertion. Please give me the the sentence or sentences from the Constitution that prove the feds have the right to force me to buy health insurance and interfere with my doctor and in my medical decisions for the rest of my life.
I want exact words from the Constitution that give the feds this power. I’m not talking about the authority to tax; I’m talking about the authority to tax for this specific matter.
Byron: So your point is that since the Patriot Act is unconstitutional, then you support additional unconstitutional laws?
Isn’t that how preschoolers rationalize naughty behavior?
Buddha: I take it then that you cannot find a sentence in the Constitution that gives the government the power to seize the health care industry and force me into its system for the rest of my life.
I knew you couldn’t.
What is it about leftists that they think other peoples’ money belongs to them?
What’s the story here? Did your parents teach you that stealing was wrong and you rebelled? Or did they teach you that stealing was okay?
Badaman:
wow…thanks for the info on the fishies
That’s funny, Tootles.
You didn’t seem too upset when states started forcing you to buy liability car insurance.
Let’s talk about assertions, shall we? How about you prove that the new bill allows them to interfere with your medical care? You’re the one making the assertion that this means “the Fed” can call up your doctor and say “yea” or “nay” and that’s simply not true.
Just because the Constitution is silent on a matter does not mean the government doesn’t have a right to regulate it. The Constitution says squat about radio – because it hadn’t been invented yet – but that doesn’t stop the FCC from issuing licenses to broadcasters.
Now before you get your panties all twisted up again, you should know I think this health care bill is bogus crap designed to protect the insurance rackets instead of the logical and sensible thing which would be to put them out of business and start a single-payer government owned system like the UK and Sweden have. One where everyone is covered and doctor’s do as they and their patients please regarding treatment because they can afford to based on having the very largest risk pool they can assemble. You don’t know how insurance really works, do you? That’s just adorable.
But you clearly don’t know squat about the Constitution either, sport. You know a lot of words Neocon Nazi nitwits like Beck tell you to regurgitate, but it’s not enough to know the words. You have to understand what they mean as a basic definition and in context.
Come on. Say something else stupid, Tootie. Like show me in the Constitution where it says car manufactures don’t have to install catalytic converters? Or that chemical companies can pollute freely. Or that (insert insane assertion here).
I can make you look even more foolish than you do on your own without breaking a sweat. Really. It’s no effort at all.
Because you’re spouting drivel. You were at the onset and you still are. But I’ll give you this:
At least you’re consistent. Consistently wrong, but consistent.
Tootie:
I was suggesting that arguing over the nuances of socialism, fascism and Marxism is a bit like arguing over which type of animal shit smells the best. They all stink like shit but of the 3 horse shit smells the least offensive.
I wouldn’t bother arguing over socialism it doesn’t work very well and most countries that have it do ok but not great. Look at Sweden and Denmark decent countries but no great shakes.
I don’t know why people are so upset over this? They should have been upset years ago but everyone just goes along living their lives while politicians usurp our rights and no one seems to care. The republicans are every bit at fault as the democrats and maybe more so because they should have known better. No one wants freedom/liberty because that would mean that they had to stand on their own 2 feet. Most people are afraid to do that, they want or need a safety net.
Look at the farmers that get subsidies or the companies that get subsidies or help with competition from foreign countries. Most everyone has their hand out at the door step of government and all of them are afraid to just say no. So when you have a large percentage of the population that is afraid to go without a safety net what do you expect the result to be?
If people would rely more on themselves and less on government we would have a better country.
“I’m not talking about the authority to tax; I’m talking about the authority to tax for this specific matter”.
I’ll type this very slowly, so you can keep up. The bill DOESN’T require you to buy insurance, it requires you to pay a tax (an authority you haven’t challenged). To avoid the tax all one has to do is have insurance.
Secondly, right now your insurance company is in between you and your doctor. The corporate bureaucrats are making their decisions about what care you can and cannot have. These decisions are often made based on bonuses paid for denying care and/or the profitability of the entire company which is in turn based on denying care.
Buddha
More importantly, the government requires auto manufacturers to install seat belts. They can only sell and customers can only buy cars with seat belts installed. By that precedent it appears the government COULD require insurance, but they haven’t.
Insurance Company = Death Panel
And that’s the truth.
rc,
As ever, good point. Seatbelts are a far better example.
Tootie:
Rcampbell has a point. I talked to my primary care doc about this about 4 months ago and he said it really didn’t matter much to him either way. He said he was getting f . . . ked by the insurance companies so maybe the government could do a better job or at least use KY.
Also we have Blue Cross Blue Shield and they pay huge executive salaries and spend a good deal of money on things like gym facilities. We get decent care but our doctors take a big hit, they get about $150 bucks for every $500 billed at least for office visits.
I will even admit that portability and covering pre-existing conditions is a good idea. But it isn’t working in Mass and it didn’t work in Tenn with Tenncare which had to be shut down because it was bankrupting the state.
Tootsie, I have hesitated all day about responding to your comments. The reason for that is that I have learned through experience that when one characterizes those who have opposing views as “evil,” that’s generally a clear signal that any response will be ignored because a judgment has already been made regarding the credibility of the source. Nevertheless, Buddha’s comments and my quixotic bent have once again gotten the better of me.
In reviewing your various posts, I am reminded of “You Can Trust the Communists (To Be Communists)” and “None Dare Call It Treason,” two books I read in the early ’60s. They virtually bristled with broad assertions, dark conspiracy theories and irrational fear. I still have the books because I wondered at the time how the dire predictions of the authors might hold up over the years. I came across them a couple of months ago and concluded that the predictions were as dead as the writers, and just as moldy.
The world in which you wish to reside does not exist, and cannot. It cannot because it would have to be inhabited by human beings uniformly possessing all of the virtues of Plato’s philosopher king. As we all know, however, human beings are actually selfish, prideful, avaricious and given to bullying those over whom they exercise any sort of power.
No one knows when governments were first formed, but it is reasonable to assume that their first function was simply to protect distinct groups from predation by other distinct groups. It is also reasonable to assume that the leaders of those groups possessed skills found particularly useful and desirable, mainly strength and courage.
Over the centuries we gradually concluded that when control of a society is turned over to the strongest, the result is always tyranny, benevolent though it may be on occasion. When this country was formed, the Founders recognized that when forming a government to protect the people, it was also necessary to structure it in such a way that the people will also be protected from the government. So they divided the government into co-equal branches. The creation of an independent judiciary was, in my own opinion, the most brilliant stroke because it not only provided a vehicle for the peaceful and generally neutral resolution of disputes, but embedded in society the notion that the law controls the ambitious.
But tyranny can be economic as well as governmental. The history of the industrial revolution and the vicious and violent battles over the formation of labor unions is sufficient evidence of that truth. The development of child labor laws, food and drug laws (ever read Sinclair Lewis?), occupational safety laws and product liability laws all occurred not because some bureaucrat somewhere decided that it would be neat to make capitalists’ lives miserable, but because abuse, contamination, dangerous work places and dangerous products produced death and destruction.
You should understand that the concern of the law is with the regulation of personal and commercial intercourse. We impose restrictions on economic behavior for the same reason that we impose restrictions on individual behavior-because people are prone to act badly. I defy you to find a single instance in the history of this country in which the imposition of legislative controls over the conduct of any enterprise preceded the experience of the evils the legislation sought to address. In every case elected leaders have responded only after the exposure and publication of horror stories, only after the offending industry has first denied and ultimately promised to impose strict “self-regulation,” and then only after the peoples’ elected representatives have become convinced that no amount of money from the perpetrators of the abuses can guarantee their re-election. And, if the truth be told, those who most frequently have led the way in exposing the wrongs have been lawyers. Even Dick the Butcher, in Shakespeare’s “Henry VI,” understood that lawyers were the final barricade between justice and tyranny.
The health care reform bill which has so upset you is a reaction to the same sorts of amoral, uncontrolled economic forces that produce sweat shops, unsafe foods, dangerous products and predatory loans. When we start producing perfect human beings, I’ll then listen to what you have to say about over-regulation.
If one wants to be upset at the Federal Government overreaching? Try this on for size: National ID Cards. Hmm? Anyone think this is actually a good idea? How about National Drivers Licenses? A little too draconian for you?
Well guess what Schummer (D) and Graham (R) are proposing.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/two-id-cards/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29
Based on the Patriot Act and the desires of DHS to know where you are at all times.
There are plenty of reasons to despise Washington. How about you Beck-heads find a real one?
Buddah thats old news.
The link is part 1 and you should watch it first.
Then if you’ve never seen this. This is where RFID can be useful to everyone.
http://www.ted.com/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html
Bdaman:
Now why didnt they do that with the troops in Iraq? We could have found the bad guys in about 20 minutes. Maybe they did, not that many got taken.
Rfid tag, good idea now we dont need papers. Big brother is watching on Facebook. Great.
Mike Appleton,
Nice writing.
I already admitted previously that through contract and the legal system we would achieve more justice AND liberty while keeping federal interference at a minimum. Perhaps I said that on another thread. I’d go back and read my posts but then I’d cringe at the grammar errors and typos and I’m in no mood for that.
Also, I’ve not even begun to talk about the states and their reserved rights. But I never get that far in conversations with leftists. This is because leftists are so darn insane that part of the issue doesn’t get discussed.
I believe that the states have the authority to run health care systems, but not the feds. I still consider it theft, but at least we can move from state to state when our fellow citizens use bad judgment.
There is NO Constitutional authority to seize the health care industry and to force me into it for the rest of my life. NONE. I’ve begged and begged several folks to provide me with the exact places and sentences from the Constitution which prove the feds have this power, and so far NO ONE HAS OBLIGED.
Now, I’m just a rough-around-the-edges former street kid, former hippie, turned fundie Baptist who took 3 decades to get a 2 year college degree at a Podunk community college who has a part-time menial pink collar job, and came from a rough and tumble blue collar union family, and yet how is it that I’m the only one at this distinguished blog even willing to discuss the exact and precise words of the Constitution which could justify the health-care heist?
I understand that there is power (from the general welfare clause) for the feds to intervene in health matters if (and only if) the federal government would collapse. An example, if there were a widespread outbreak of the bubonic plague or some similar disease that would kill many members of congress, government workers, and the judiciary. The feds would have every constitutional right to intervene in whatever way was necessary to stop the plague. Even so, this would be a temporary federal involvement and not a permanent program requiring participation.
The fact is Americans live longer than ever and there is no threat to their health such that the federal government would collapse except that the feds have put themselves in economic jeopardy by unconstitutionally inserting itself into the health-care business through Medicare, etc.
So there is NO general welfare justification for the feds to be involved in health care because if they weren’t involved the federal government would just keep humming along.
I think that the folks here who are far more educated, far more knowledgeable, and far more experienced than I know that what I say is true and won’t admit it because they have compromised their integrity and accept the corruption and usurpation of the Constitution.
You think I don’t understand that laws follow problems. I do. At times laws hit the target and at times it doesn’t. That’s not the problem I refer to.
The problem is now our laws are creating totalitarianism: the complete control over every aspect of our lives.
It is not possible to rightly reckon that this is what anyone who covets liberty or promotes the Constitution and the ideals of Founders had in mind.
How have we come to the brink of totalitarianism? One reason is because government took over the job of lawyers.
I think this probably happened because lawyers created a cartel limiting who may and may not become a lawyer in order to create an artificially low supply of lawyers during a period of time (during the Industrial Revolution) when the demand for lawyers was high.
The object of this cartel?
$$$$$$$$$$$
Screw it that lawyers think they have the right to deny anyone the right to practice law.
Free people should be able to decide who they want to represent them in court without permission of the cartel.
“Screw it that lawyers think they have the right to deny anyone the right to practice law.
Free people should be able to decide who they want to represent them in court without permission of the cartel.”
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Viva, la Revolution! I want trash collectors to serve as my surgeons, and window washers as my judges. Let the insane asylums be opened to hear my confession, and let’s allow the postmen to file my taxes. We have no need of education or training, or expertise, because they are the tools of oppression. Let us do whatever we feel we can do that day, and, if another fancy strikes us, rejoice in our flexibility on the ‘morrow. For me, I am off to opine on cosmology with my dear friend the Vicar of Christ. Like him, I can give sincere assurance of my omniscience on things I know absolutely nothing about. Wait! Alice, don’t follow that huge rabbit down that hole.
Mespo,
I am pretty late on this thread, but I have to agree with your reponse to Tootie. Just imagine if I could do brain surgery for someone and I didn’t have to be educated in the medical sciences. It sounds like a Texan kind of mentality. (Sorry AY)
Mike A.,
How dare you try to use logic and common sense!! Good try!
Mike A,
What raff said. A truly Sisyphean effort but well executed and deftly crafted.
mespo,
Curiouser and curiouser. And if you’ll excuse me I have six impossible things to believe in before lunch. With Tootie as my inspiration and a cordless drill at my command, I think the first thing will be to think that I am indeed a brain surgeon.
Tomorrow I’m going to try being a brain sturgeon.
And that’ll be nice for a change. All the caviar I can make.
bdaman,
I know it’s old news. The point was “pick your battles”. Which was a lesson you never learned with your birther nonsense.
“let’s allow the postmen to file my taxes”
Mespo:
I am all for that, they will probably be cheaper and do a better job than most accountants.
mespo:
I realize that liberty and the responsibility it entails scares you.
And as I said elsewhere, a large portion of the human race are natural slaves who demand others make their decisions for them.
I understand, I really do.
cha ching, cha ching
Tootie:
“I realize that liberty and the responsibility it entails scares you.”
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Oh, it’s not that liberty and responsibility scare me. It’s just when folks like you try to pervert those ideals into homage to your deity with an eye toward eliminating it, that I get worried. It’s probably misplaced worry, since, baring a mass outbreak of insanity, your folks will have trouble convincing anyone that your way is The Way. Might I also add to your Christian mega-churches ministers: cha ching!
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, fed the hungry, healed the sick, raised the dead, healed the blind, healed the broken hearted,
and did so many other things that cannot be recorded in the Bible
and he never asked for a penny. I would imagine you SOS (Stuck on Stupid) people would have called him a Socialist. Parents
are sharing their wealth everyday with their parents, grandparents, grown children all the time. Are they Socialists?
President Obama has a compassionate spirit. You are to be glad that he is not selfish, egotistical, stingy and meanspirited like a lot of greedy, selfish, self absorbed, self centered people in this country. One day, everyone will need to have
someone who cares about them in this life. I hope hatemongers will be able to find someone who cares about them when their time comes. Also, before you call people names,you need to get the understanding of the terminology you use, otherwise you are SOS (Stuck on Stupid).
Prophet AW Wicker:
We stuck on stupid folks get to walk on water too and raise people from the dead?
How come I didn’t know about this? I want a refund!
Riddle me this oh wise one. When did Jesus do all the things you said he did while working via the government?
Okay, I’m impatient waiting for a reply and will provide the answer.
He never did any of the things you mentioned in conjunction with the government. He never forced anyone to give of their wealth to help others (because He wasn’t a thief) He provided the blessings you mentioned of his free will and power.
Hatemongers always mistake Jesus’ love and care for others as state provided theft.