False Flag: Leading Analyst At Pro-Israeli Think Tank Publicly Discusses How U.S. Can Be Forced Into War With Iran

Many critics have argued that there is a concerted effort to push the United States into a war with Iran by supporters of Israel. Patrick Clawson, director of research for the highly influential pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) think tank, seemed intent to prove those rumors true this week in comments as a luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout.” Clawson casually discusses how to create a false flag operation to push the U.S. into war to overcome any reluctance by the public. We have been discussing how many leaders like Senator Joe Lieberman had begun to use the same rhetoric that led to the last two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how the suggest timing of an attack has been tied to the presidential election.

In his remarks, Clawson helpfully lists a series of historical events used to push the country into war like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us the Vietnam War. Clawson expressed his frustration in acknowledging that it is “[v]ery hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran.” However, there is hope. Clawson explains that the “traditional way” to get the country into a war is through false flags or manufactured incidents where Americans are killed. Thus, he observes, “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it. So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

The fact that one of the leading analysis for the WINEP would feel comfortable in making such comments is itself quite chilling. It indicates that such discussions have become sufficiently regular that it has creeped into public discussion. It is a measure of the secret pressure building to push this country into a third major war despite our crippling economic conditions and losses in military personnel. The assumption in Washington is that neither Romney nor Obama could oppose such a war. Even if Obama does not publicly support Israel, the assumption is that political allies of Israel in Washington can guarantee that we would offer extensive military loans and intelligence. Even if there is a delay in such military loans and support, the assumption is that Israel can go to war with the understanding that the United States will cover a significant portion of the costs. Moreover, in his remarkably candid remarks, Clawson shows how the U.S. can easily be forced into direct combat by pushing Iran to simply kill some Americans or sink a few of our ships. Then members would be clamoring for revenge. Notably, the Israelis have been ratcheting up the war rhetoric in pushing Iran, which predictably has now reserved the right to engage in a preemptive strike not just against Israeli but U.S. interests. We would then, again, find ourselves in a war without any public debate or collective decision.

While Clawson adds a passing caveat that he is not advocating such an approach, his remarks are clearly designed to show how the group can get the United States into a war for Israel if only we can get Iran to kill some of our citizens or soldiers. Those people are of course expendable props in Clawson’s realpolitik.

By the way, Clawson has been enlisted to give his insightful analysis at the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. He is also a member of the National Defense University’s Institute for National Strategic Studies. The World Bank connection is particularly interesting given the history with Paul Wolfowitz who pushed the U.S. into two disastrous wars in the Bush Administration and was rewarded with being made the head of the World Bank.

It is the callous disconnect that is most chilling in these remarks. Thousands of U.S. soldiers have died or have been crippled for life in these wars that have left the country near bankruptcy (and increasingly hostile “allies” in Afghanistan and Iraq). Those casualties and costs, however, appear immaterial in the discussion of supporting Israel in a war against Iran.

125 thoughts on “False Flag: Leading Analyst At Pro-Israeli Think Tank Publicly Discusses How U.S. Can Be Forced Into War With Iran

  1. UGH! You know its true, you know its actually very easy (see: Bush, G.W. WMD). Worse is if they do this (it appears they have already started) we know the press knows it is being lied to but will not tell the public what it knows and will not even make an honest effort to present the actual facts of the case but instead carry water for the people will are intent on getting us all killed (see: Miller, Judith, NY Times).

    Its like watching a slow motion train wreck while strapped to the lead engine.

  2. It’s always some pinhead geek thinking up ways for young kids to die in service to their “more important” goals but never truly advocating them. That’s the cloying “Just Sayin'” crowd.

    Seems a common epitaph for empires. See, Tennyson, The Charge of the Light Brigade.

  3. The case that we are governed by psychopaths grows stronger by the day, because what has been going on for decades is now common discourse:

    The enemy aggressor is always pursuing a course of larceny, murder, rapine and barbarism. We are always moving forward with high mission, a destiny imposed by the Deity to regenerate our victims, while incidentally capturing their markets; to civilise savage and senile and paranoid peoples, while blundering accidentally into their oil wells.

    (Myth Addiction Is Establishment’s LSD, quoting from 1944 book). False flag ops are a pillar of our foreign relations … ever since The Bully Religion became our central dogma.

  4. Somebody, please hand this tool a rifle. He clearly is ready to march someone else’s kids off to war. Let this chicken hawk lead the charge!

    He probably doesn’t even know how to hold a rifle. Here’s a hint, Patrick: put that tube-shaped thingy in your mouth and use your big toe to press on that curved metal thingy.

  5. What Mespo said. I have a print of the Charge of the Light Brigade hanging in the back bedroom. Has anyone ever really listened to the words of “The Band Played Waltzing Matilda.? It is a tribute to the ANZAC troops who went off to war at a hellhole called Gallipoli during WW-I.

    Eric Bogle wrote this in 1971, as the Vietnam war ground on. Eric also wrote “The Green Fields of France.”

  6. The US has already started the war with cyberattacks on Iranian nuclear facilities which according to the US position laid out by Harold Koh, is an act of war. But of course it only counts as war if another country attacks the US in such a manner.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?_r=0

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-official-says-cyberattacks-can-trigger-self-defense-rule/2012/09/18/c2246c1a-0202-11e2-b260-32f4a8db9b7e_story.html

    The double-standard is standard behavior in the empire.

  7. No Win War???

    The New American for November 9, 2009, has an interesting article on General Barry McCaffrey’s statement that the US “faces 10 more years of war in Afghanistan” and that the US should “focus upon a long and expensive nation-building process for Afghanistan’s tribal culture.” There seems to be a mindset in the establishment for the US to maintain a long term presence in the MidEast.

    For a long time, the US has operated in the region through hidden agendas. In his book, The New World Order, Mr. Pat Robertson, states that George Bush 1 suggested that the fate of Kuwait was not the main issue, “launching the New World Order was the main thing.” Mr. Robertson further writes, “By words and by silence, the United States flashed Saddam Hussein a green light” … to move into Kuwait and suggests this was used as a pretext for the 1st Gulf War…the implication is that Saddam was entraped with Green Light Diplomacy but there was a much larger agenda(hidden) for moving against Hussein………..

    For the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the evidence suggests that the US and its allies are not doing all that can be done to win this war and there is some agenda for prolonging this conflict.

    The Advocate quotes Hillary Clinton(Dec. 7, 2009, p. 5A), stating it is “hard to believe” that no one in Islamabad knows where the al-Qaida leaders are hiding and couldn’t get them “if they really wanted to.”

    In the aftermath of 9.11, the bombing of the wrong escape route out of Afghanistan into Pakistan and the nighttime airlift by the US of the Taliban and Al Qaeda operatives that were allowed to escape(The New Yorker, Jan 28, 2002, p. 36); Gary Berntsen, the head of the CIAs team at Tora Bora said they tracked bin Laden and (he) “…could have been caught.”(Newsweek, Aug 15, 2005, p. 5); There is evidence that the Pakistani ISI is funding the Taliban and knows where they live but dont arrest them.(Time, Nov. 29, 2004, p. 44)

    There is a strategy by the Pakistani government “…which pays tribes and insurgent networks to attack each other with a goal of preventing any one group from getting too strong”.(US News, Oct 13/Oct 20, 2008, p. 24)(a strategy used by the Brits) Pakistani Ambassador, Haqqani presents evidence in his book that the Pakistani military and ISI make “…the pretense of arresting militants in order to get funds from Washinton. But it never shut down the networks.”(Newsweek, May 11/May 18, 2009, p. 29)

    The CIA never takes a junior partner role with any of these groups and we have to assume wants this to continue. The New York Times(Oct. 27, 2009) reports that Karzai’s brother is on the CIAs payroll and is a suspected player in the opium trade which finances the Taliban.

    All of this only contributes to a more chaotic situation which feeds a hidden agenda for a “no win war” and prolonged conflict at the expense of American boys and girls lives!!

    woody voinche

  8. MidEast ChessBoard…www.amazon.com

    This book is an overview of the major events that have
    contributed to the history of three major countries in the
    mideast: Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. From the coup d’etat
    that brought about the downfall of Mossadeq and the rise
    to power of the Shah of Iran; to the arming of the Shah and
    his final downfall(with Iranian Air Force General Rabii telling his
    Judges "General Huyser threw the Shah out of the country
    like a dead mouse."); the hostage crisis in Iran and the use
    of this event by both Republican and Democratic groups in
    what became known as the October Surprise; the rise and
    arming of Saddam Hussein and the part played by western
    interests; the US support of the mujahadeen in Afghanistan
    and the role played by Bin Laden and other Islamists culminating
    in the breakup of the Soviet Union; the Islamist group on
    the periphery of the Alkifah Refugee center in New York and
    the 1993 World Trade Center bombing; the events leading up
    to 911 and the evidence suggesting the Intelligence agencies
    had advanced knowledge of this event; And the evidence that
    US forces have had the opportunity to eliinate top al Qaeda
    and Taliban forces in Afghanistan and Iraq but for whatever
    reason have failed to do this…

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=woody+voinche&x=14&y=18

  9. This well connected “Foreign Policy Expert” nakedly admits too much, but still maintains enough of the “Danger: Iranian Nuclear Weapons” meme to keep from fully giving the game away. The “game” is establishing America taking “control” over Middle East oil in nations that are not currently under our aegis. This has been the overt plan since the “Project for the New American Century” began its work in the 1990’s:

    http://en.wikipedia.org
    wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

    Actually of course the 1990’s was not the starting point for this movement, which took shape in the aftermath of World War II when the “Cold War” began. Since then the American “Foreign Policy Establishment” has been the group that have worked to implement the “dream” on behalf of the Plutocracy. PNAC’s proponents, including of course Wolfowitz, work in tandem with the Oil Industry and Saudi Arabia to establish this American hegemony. The most ironic part of this of course is that our soldiers and our country are merely being used as the “Hessians” in this plot since the real hegemony will be held by the Military/Industrial/Corporate Complex, of which the Saudi’s are principle partners. People like Bibi and Lieberman, are merely compliant tools in this conspiracy, bought and paid for, but in their personal egotism/stupidity are not aware enough to know they are merely puppets.

  10. I will be in favor of attacking Iran as soon as Joe Lieberman and this so-called expert join the Marines along with their sons and daughters and stand at the point of the line. Disgusting.
    Great video and great song OS!

  11. I know a retired Seal officer in San Diego. I’ve known him since he was a teen boxing in Golden Glove fights in KC. He went ot college, became a Seal, and retired as an officer after the first Gulf war. Having been in war he has a better understanding of the horror and also of the mission. This sharp, tough yet easy-going guy has said that going into Iran would be a TOTALLY different ballgame than going into Iraq or even Afghanistan. Much different opponent, terrain, and logistics. Many more US casualties.

  12. To me the disgusting part is that people now aren’t ashamed of ANYTHING. Remember W making a joke about the fact that no WMDs were found? Go nuts and whip everybody into a frenzy, say anything, commit tens of thousands of lives and bejillions of dollars to a massive fraud/crime, terrify folks for profit, stir up hatred and hostility and then pretend you weren’t part of the cause, much less THE BIGGEST PART OF THE CAUSE, when it turns out badly. So now these guys get up and say pretty much what they want, conscience free.

    I am at least proud that I hated Lieberman long before everybody else did.
    :mrgreen:

  13. Woody, quit with the postings, I am cynical enough as it is. Just kidding. However, in the realm you speak of I am of the belief that ignorance is often bliss. Assuming all your sources and info are correct, I bet that is not even scratching the surface.

    I wonder sometimes whether we, the citizens of the USA, should know what all our country’s leaders are up to and the true motives behind our foreign policy. I have this internal debate every now and again – how transparent should our government be. Often, my conclusion is that whatever is going on behind the veil must be in the best interest of teh future of our country and that is all I want to know. I tell myself this so I don’t have to think about the alternatives. I am afraid to know what is behind the curtain.

  14. Some facts:
    Iran has almost total control of Iraqa oil, not quite all but almost. First the Shiites got the oil minestry; then they got the majority position in the federal government. Before we nominally left, the Shiites had been making tours every week to Teheran.
    Will thay reach the Med by Hezbollah in south Lebanon or by Syria?

    What does our spy organizaations say, again and again, inclueding the Pentagon? At least 5 years to nukes.
    So whar is there to compromise on?
    —-
    “So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

    Great idea.

    My alternative. Restore due process in USA instead of trying to force them to take it away.
    Forcing nation-building on tribal oriented nations is idiotic. Nasser did not in spite of his hard hands. And we won’t in Afghanistan.

    As said before, but must repeat: War is a good business.
    And obviously a never-ending one.

    Has anyone asked why the speech is made now. Because it is a trial balloon to see the media, public, and “partner” reactions. You are just a pawn, someone well-known here said. We are not even that, cuz we are not in the game. We are production units.

    Expect war provocation in less than a month. Let us hope they don’t try to take out Obama.

  15. I saw the video. Clawson was not suggesting an incident, but letting the Iranians know it is not off the table. He did not once recommend such a tack, but simply reviewed our history, observing that typically some excuse is used, like the Lusitania, like Gulf of Tonkin, like WMD. Poor gullible freaks that we are, we always take the bait.

  16. Smell that? You smell that? The smell of budding Saudi Arabia theocratic hegemony riding on the backs of Neoconservatives and right wing fundamentalism, son! I love the smell of transparent brazen political manipulations geared for unnecessary wars in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like . . . the fall of empire and the rise of Caliphate.

    Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain.

  17. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
    Bomb, bomb, Iran..

    Oh Bomb Iraaan,
    I’ll take my staaaand,,,

    Rockin and a rollin,
    Rockin and a reeling Bomb Iran.

    [to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys]
    -Saturday Night Live 1980.

    When the eyeatolla gives a nuclear bomb to some “students” to play around with then you all will wish we were bombing Iran daily.

  18. OT:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us/politics/election-will-decide-future-of-interrogation-methods-for-terrorism-suspects.html?hp

    “The Romney campaign document, obtained by The New York Times, is a five-page policy paper titled “Interrogation Techniques.” It was a near-final draft circulated in September 2011 among the Romney campaign’s “National Security Law Subcommittee” for any further comments before it was to be submitted to Mr. Romney. The panel consists of a brain trust of conservative lawyers, most of whom are veterans of the George W. Bush administration.”

    “Interrogation Techniques”

    http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/441318-romney-campaign-interrogation-policy.html

  19. Thanks ap, I read it just before you posted. Romney: “We’ll use enhanced interrogation techniques which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now,” he said at a news conference in Charleston, S.C., in December.” I think I will stick with Obama.

  20. “The last four years are a trail of broken promises on civil liberties, from warrantless surveillance to indefinite detention. However, one of President Obama’s most uncompromising accomplishments was banning torture through executive order on his first day in office. Still, the administration’s use of the state secrets doctrine to shield both the legal architects and corporate enablers of the Bush torture program, and its refusal to prosecute those who went beyond the “legal” torture sanctioned by the Justice Department have left open the possibility that torture could again become US policy. A future president could simply reverse Obama’s executive order and bring back Bush-era coercive interrogation techniques, which is exactly what the Romney memo proposes to do.” Adam Serwer, Mother Jones

  21. GeneH,
    Do you surf too. Is the clear red line like the one which was written about. I think it was our blood then too.

    Malisha,
    Then as Cheney said: There are also the things that we don’t know that we don’t know….”

    Obama supporters, including myself
    Executive orders, executive order—-those are to ignore. As has been quite often demonstrated.
    What is the difference between an executive order and a boldfaced lie? None. Ask yourself what is going on in Bagram.

  22. Swarthmore mom-

    Your 2:48 p.m. comment by quotation on Obama is hardly a ringing endorsement of his record on civil liberties. You might ask Bradley Manning about the effectiveness of Obama’s “abolition of torture”. Basically, what you are saying is “Obama stinks, but the other guy stinks more”. That old “lesser of two evils” thing again.

    The Guantanamo prisoner who committed suicide a week or two ago, who had been ordered to be released by a Federal judge in 2010, might have given you some insights on what constitutes torture of a non-physical kind. The mental torture of an innocent man held for a decade under gulag conditions- nearly four years of it under Obama, who ignored the order of a United States Federal judge to release him. The blood of this man is on Obama’s hands, not Romney’s.

  23. HenMan, Charlie Savage is the go to reporter on these matters, and if he is issuing a warning about Romney and the return of the Bush torturers, I will take it very seriously.

  24. SwM,

    Any proof that Bush’s torturers left? Seriously.
    We know only what they tell us. Do you believe them?
    Really, really?
    They have been lying to us since 7 December 1941, Don’t believe it has stopped.

    So if they have not gone, then what does that tell us?
    Rhetorical? No, seriously.

    Is Obama the lesser of two evils. Yes, for me it is because he is putting up a certain fight against neo-conservative starvation for us all.

    We can exist on rice, but not on air.

  25. ”Maybe Netanyahu’s for [Republican candidate Mitt] Romney. And he’s making a mistake if he is,” [Rep. Barney] Frank told The Hill when asked why he thought Israel had leaked the news of a perceived ”snub” to the Reuters wire service.'”

    SwM,

    Thanks for the link which this is quoted from. Barney Frank is being polite, because it is a fact that Netanyahu was put in power with American Republican Money and some of his top advisers are American Republican operatives. The man is a shill for things that will ultimately harm his country.

  26. Swarthmore mom-

    President Obama has morphed from “Hope and Change” into Bush 44.

    Romney wants to be “Gipper II” but only has the potential to be Bush 45.

    I’m looking, hopelessly in vain, for someone who wants to be Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Lyndon Johnson without the flaws and without the wars.

    I can’t settle for any more establishment party hack candidates and I won’t lower my standards. This is a condition known as “Disenfranchisement”.

    I’m HenMan and I approve this message.

  27. Gene H.
    1, September 27, 2012 at 2:04 pm
    ****

    You got that right; it’s an old dispute and the rest of the players are just hired hands. Hired hands with a stake in the outcome but hired hands none the less.

  28. SwM,

    My questions were not rhetorical. Quotes from Savage won’t answer them. Don’t dodge. Stop evading that we are victims of the system. And nobody knows how many enhanced torturers we have working now. Just as we don’t know how many civilians who are killed by drones either.

    Making in fact any statement of fact with regard to our “government” is in the current context a ridiculous assertion.

    I trust you can read the respect with which I address you. But ideas I will oppose, no matter who utters them.

  29. AP,

    I seldom call on God, but thank god for Daniel Ellsberg.
    He showed unequivocally that they lie to us, to Congress, to the media (then!) in the belief that consent is not needed. They know best. Apparently Ellsberg’s message did not go home.

    So we are surprised and skeptical when Assange and Wikileaks publishes our own materials which show our lies.
    And a young soldier is waiting in near torture conditions fof 20(?) monthe for trial for releasing those combat reports which show how general our war crimes are, and how generally they are accepted in the whole theater of operations, in effect the whole armed forces.

    Thanks for the link.

  30. Chutzpah! or what? if a Muslim had uttered this, the western media would have a mega field day & American outrage would hit the fan. How are these statements not treachery of the highest order? The silence is deafening.

  31. In his remarks, Clawson helpfully lists a series of historical events used to push the country into war like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us the Vietnam War. Clawson expressed his frustration in acknowledging that it is “[v]ery hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran.” However, there is hope. Clawson explains that the “traditional way” to get the country into a war is through false flags or manufactured incidents where Americans are killed. Thus, he observes, “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it. So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”
    =======================================
    Who else is going to start the war? Israel? Without the United States, Israel will get their asses kicked.

  32. bettykath 1, September 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

    It worked on 9/11/2001.
    ==================
    I was on a freeway to Chicago when I heard that.

  33. Daniel Ellsberg: “What we need at home of course is people who will change their lives, risk their careers and their jobs and their relationships with their families and their bosses and their church groups by taking a stronger stand than most people are ready to take; by saying truths that most people are not ready to hear.”

    http://www.refuseandresist.org/article-print.php?aid=2459

    “This is an excerpt from a talk by Daniel Ellsberg to the World Can’t Wait organizing meeting in San Francisco September 7th. Daniel Ellsberg worked in the Defense Department during the 1950s and 1960s but came to oppose the war against Vietnam and exposed the true nature of US foreign policy by providing classified memoranda (the ‘Pentagon Papers’) to the news media.

    The [Boston] Globe is very mistaken when it criticizes World Can’t Wait for analogizing between Hitler’s regime and the present one. The aggression has already happened [in Iraq] and is looming again in Iran. The holocaust is not planned in terms of gas chambers. But nuclear weapons bring the gas chambers to the people. Every nuclear weapon is a portable Auschwitz. The first ones used may only kill hundreds depending on where they are used. This would be extremely ominous because people would say, “See, they can be used easily.” The use of nuclear weapons even in a deserted field against underground sites by this country would bring us into a new era of history, the consequences of which would so dwarf the holocaust as there would be simply no comparison. The nuclear wars of the future will be started by an act that has already been planned by this country [as revealed by Seymour Hersh writing about Iran]. These are Hitler-like to the 100th degree.

    Domestically, this country is not Germany in 1938 or 1931. It’s not Germany in 1934. Let me be very specific. It’s not the Germany of July 1933. In January of 1933 Hitler became Chancellor of Germany as a minority candidate. He represented the largest Party with about 36% of the vote. By July, it was a one party state, virtually every leader of the social democrats, which had now been banned, had been jailed or put in camps. They hadn’t put in camps many Jews yet. The first people put in camps were labor union leaders, but especially Social Democrats and Communists. Thousands or even tens of thousands had been killed or put in camps by that time, six months after Hitler was in power.

    Let me be very specific. Hitler was a fascist and his Party was a fascist Party. But Germany was not a fascist state in January of 1933 when Hitler came to power although Hitler was a fascist and signaled what he wanted to do pretty clearly. But he had only two ministers in the cabinet. It was a fascist state two months later. In between was the Reichstag fire which Hitler and Goering blamed on the Communists. Whoever did it, and it may have been the Nazis, it was not the Communists, that history is clear on. That night the leaders of the Communist Party were imprisoned, scattered, and many – thousands – were killed. The next day was the Reichstag Fire Decree, signed by Hindenburg, which explicitly suspended all provisions of the constitution which had provided for freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press. It also ended privacy of the postal system and telecommunications, which ended here four years ago but we didn’t know it.

    Despite the Patriot Act and other things that have come along we haven’t had the Reichstag decree yet. Before the Fire everything was constitutional, after Hitler became a dictator and the Social Democratic Party was outlawed. The Social Democrats could have pulled off a General Strike up to the time of the Reichstag fire. After that it ws too late.

    We’re in a situation today that demands a lot of people in this country. We have to create a political situation like that in 1969 where 5,000 people went to jail rather than serve in Vietnam. I met some of those people on their way to jail, and they put in my mind that they were doing everything they can truthfully and nonviolently, they are changing their lives, they are giving up their future and their career. They are doing everything they can to end the Vietnam war.; That’s the correct thing to do what can I do? I was contemplating releasing documents, which could have carried a sentence of 115 years. Was that too much to take on? I’d been to Vietnam. In combat it’s very common for people to risk their lives and their bodies for a lie. Bravery in a bad cause is not uncommon, and often we see it on both sides. Often both sides are bad causes.

    What we need at home of course is people who will change their lives, risk their careers and their jobs and their relationships with their families and their bosses and their church groups by taking a stronger stand than most people are ready to take; by saying truths that most people are not ready to hear. Without that courage things like this can’t be changed. With it, they may still not be changed, they may fail, but without it, and without mass mobilization there is no chance.”

    (The Most Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers (2009) – The Trailer

    http://video.pbs.org/video/1403016313/

  34. We’re in a situation today that demands a lot of people in this country. We have to create a political situation like that in 1969 where 5,000 people went to jail rather than serve in Vietnam. I met some of those people on their way to jail, and they put in my mind that they were doing everything they can truthfully and nonviolently, they are changing their lives, they are giving up their future and their career. They are doing everything they can to end the Vietnam war.; That’s the correct thing to do what can I do? I was contemplating releasing documents, which could have carried a sentence of 115 years. Was that too much to take on? I’d been to Vietnam. In combat it’s very common for people to risk their lives and their bodies for a lie. Bravery in a bad cause is not uncommon, and often we see it on both sides. Often both sides are bad causes.
    ==================================
    I was too young for Vietnam. I don’t have any brothers, so I could have gotten out of it. I would have gone anyway.

  35. Much of America’s “infrastructure” needs to be re-regulated. Starting with breaking up Israel’s most valuable ally the hear no evil, see no evil, speak only evil MSM..

  36. I’ll do what I can, and I hope I can get your help to complete the historical part.

    Ellsberg uses Hitlet, and the catastrophical series of LAWFUL events which allowed a minority leader tto take away the power of the people to effect their fates and their government.

    First I will go back in time and then forward.

    Where in the 20th century (1900-1999) did we first see a big example of Hitler’s deeds. In October 1917, when the MINORITY Bolshevik party took over from the Menshevik. No details, we know where it lead. If you don’t there are many good books to read.

    So let’s go nearer our time, in ca 1962, the Bay of Pigs operation was planned and put through by the CIA using as footsoldiers Cuban rebel refugees from Fidel Castro.
    OK. Fine. It was DESIGNED to fail. (Some say so) Why, because the CIA and the Pentagon were prepared and askef Presient Kennedy to launch the next step to SAVE the loss of face, etc reasons. What was that stage?
    First, the immdiate use of American military aircraft to protect and defenc the Cuban rebels in their invasion on Cuban territory. Desired results? Guaranteed abandonment of one or more aircraft under air rescue conditions, maybe even one “pilot” who was prepared to be captured and become Castro’s prisoner. Similar naval ops and special ops were with good certainty also planned.
    What did we have here? A false flag operation. To provoke a war with Cuba. What could that have done if Russian nationals there in Cuba had been hurt by our actions.
    KENNEDY REFUSED to do te bidding of the CIA and the Generals of the Joint Chiefs. War averted. Close call.

    To close the story let us remember the Cuban Russian missile crisis, where the Russians did a tit for tat, matching our missiles in Turkey with theirs in Cuba.
    Kenneby did not blink, Kruschev did.
    But Kennedy was wise to the CIA and other forces in the USA and was determined to radically change things. He fired Sec of States brother who headed the CIA. Overnight.
    Well, connections are not proven yet, but some people here say that we did have a revolution and a seizing of the reins of goverment when JFK was assassinated in November 1963.
    Not long after came another false flag op in the Bay of Tonkin, where what the Prez LBJ told Congress and the public and the press was a pack of lies—several imporfant ones. Read about them in Ellsberg’s book “Secrets”. He was the man as special assistant on his first day standing in for the man in charge of SE Asia ops in he Pentagon, when messengers came sprining in with IMMY cables from the destroyer under “attack” in the Bay of Tonkin. (His boss was sitting with McNamara at the time for two hours)

    What did we get? War. What did we want? Peace.
    Oh yes, the Pentagon Papers. What were they. Some sneaked our pieces of random documents. The opposite.

    McNamara, Sec of Defense DOD, had commissioned detailed study by the resident experts and ones loaned in from the Rand Corp. who had experienced and had Pentagon knowledge of what had transpired since 1046 and the resumption of the French to retain their control of the whole of SE Asia, excluding Thailand. This 1,000 page plus report of what had been done and how we got there and why was the Pentagon report that Ellsberg smuggled out at the risk of 114 years in prison. Publishing?
    New Yort Times. But basically it was strangled by a controlled press, even the NYTimes yielded then, jsut as it does now: supporting the lies of pre-2003 WMD Iraq, and now limiting exposure of the contents of the Wikileaks which they accepted the responsibility to publish and analyze in full. Not done.

    So all these false flag ops are not new. It is not only our enemies.
    As Pogo said, “they are us”! They’ve done it to you.
    before and are in the process of doing it again.

    You have seen the loss of civil rights, increased power to detain indefitely without trial, etc. And the cementtion of a two-party system unresponsive to democratic movements, only the corps count.

    The near view is too near, we have difficulty “seeing it” for all the incidents. Most “events” in our lives are well-prepared and scheduled. Have you ever thought about that possibility. That they don’t need to burn down the Congress to achieve fascism, they can create it step by step.
    But a nuke on a desert underground site will, as Ellsberg says, usher in a new era. Such an event certainly can be regarded as a basis for the President to declare a state of national emergency. And then special powers are activated. Your powers of liberty and “life” will be strongly curtailed.

    What is important now is to realize and to fight the seizure of power under a false flag op. And as now being pointed out, ops can be done by others. That is why the FF warned of foreign and endangering alliances.
    With friends like that……

    Ellsberg has been succeede by men who have fought various parts of the system. That should be discussed.
    And in the mass tangle of bureaucrats, we can hope that there are several more ready to “leak”. People who put principle ahead of career. The nation before their lives. Daniel Manning is one.

    Be warned!

  37. Ellsberg is a realist. He was voluntarily in the paddies with our troops in Vietnam. He had access to all that his boss had in his secret file cabinet. He KNOWS what happened.
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    Mr. Ellsberg,
    Given the tide of outrageous acts by the U.S. government, do you think change is even possible through existing public institutions?
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    (He’s laughing at that-)

    I’m going to act for the rest of my life as if as it’s possible. Since it’s so necessary. When you say “through public institutions,” obviously it will take enormous pressure by citizens on those institutions to change the way they operate. Every non-violent tactic that was used to put a lid on the Vietnam war and eventually shorten it is needed now, and that certainly includes massive civil disobedience, but it also includes the full range of public education, including organizing, lobbying, even letter-writing to congress and even (though many dispair of this), electoral activity and voting. The notion that it makes no difference who is in office is, in my opinion, mistaken. There’s no question that that the two parties are both corrupt and imperialist. But, one is even worse than the other.

    Virtually every public institution has failed us gravely. Not only the executive, but the courts, congress, most of the media and most of the churches. Radical reform is needed, even to the point of non-violent revolution. There was most recently – I mean, eleven years ago – what amounted to an executive coup against the constitution and this has had the complicity of both parties in congress and the media. The prospects of climate change and the continued of nuclear war actually bode ill for the survival of the human species, but as I said, I am going to act, and I hope that others will act, as if there is a possibility of averting our extinction.”

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/10kggc/we_are_chris_hedges_daniel_ellsberg_other/

  38. It’s now out ! Iran announces its lounging of a video, showing its new Drone, which has a reach of 2000 km !
    Isn’t THAT a great reason for starting the war Lieberman, Netanyahu and all the rest of the war mongers ?

  39. “People who put principle ahead of career. The nation before their lives. Daniel Manning is one. Be warned!”

    ID707,

    Your history going back to the Bolsheviks seizure of power is correct in illustrating how minor factions assume power. While the influence on US foreign policy by an imperialist cabal has its roots in the latter 19th Century, I personally believe its stranglehold began with the creation of the CIA and reached fruition in the Kennedy murder.

  40. Aye, Mike. Not enough people consider the failure of Truman to place proper safeguards on the intelligence community when he converted the OSS into the CIA. Not Harry’s finest hour.

  41. Just to embroider:

    “I personally believe its stranglehold began with the creation of the CIA and reached fruition in the Kennedy murder.”

    Yes, emphatically so. But the events before and during WW II were scurrilous too. An organization was created, yes. But the goals and means were well-exercised before its creation. IBM was aiding the Holocaust. Corporate goals before national or humanitarian. Economic baronage has existed since 1840. And they wrote their own Magna Carta, and paid Congress for it.

    The Bolsheviks did it in ca 5 years. Following one totalitarian regime by another goes quicker.
    Hitler’s went quickly because the history of active democracy was short and the economic and emotional angst accelerated the splintering of the society.

    You mean, in effect, that it took from ca 1945 to 1963, when the final decision must have been made for them to seize the remaining reins. What took them so long? And what precipitated it just then?
    Not faulting, just wondering aloud.

    Did they really fear that the power of Kennedy could counter their secret treason?

    Is this the first time we have seen the collapse of the freedom custodial branches when struck with a created crisis.

    I don’t believe that NASA sacrificed the Challenger astronauts. But the the investigation and resolution smelled too familiar from older occasions.

    Whitther goeth we? And when comes the next arranged crisis?

    And our pitiful but destructive efforts. The first oil gusher ushere in the era of climate change, in a few years irreversible as the thawing arctic releases the frozen methane. From glorious diversity to a cloud swepted twin to 800 centigrade Venus. No protein based animal can exist then.

  42. “But the goals and means were well-exercised before its creation. IBM was aiding the Holocaust. Corporate goals before national or humanitarian.”

    ID707,

    I was familiar with the IBM situation: http://jonathanturley.org/2012/03/03/a-corporate-tale/ . I also agree that international skullduggery in the name of wealth is an old human story. Why I delineated the latter half of the 19th Century as a starting point was that for the most part American wealth prior to that time was land based and not really interested in Foreign entanglement. The Republicans were basically an Isolationist Party up until WWII, even though Standard Oil and United Fruit had other ideas.

  43. Gene H.

    Aye, Mike. Not enough people consider the failure of Truman to place proper safeguards on the intelligence community when he converted the OSS into the CIA. Not Harry’s finest hour.
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    This was a subject that was on my Research To Do List … lack of safeguards … you just saved me hours of eyestrain. Thank you.

  44. idealist707 1, September 28, 2012 at 10:46 am

    And our pitiful but destructive efforts. The first oil gusher ushere in the era of climate change, in a few years irreversible as the thawing arctic releases the frozen methane. From glorious diversity to a cloud swepted twin to 800 centigrade Venus. No protein based animal can exist then.
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    Some people think it’s already irreversible.

  45. Matt, there is first Bad Lip Reading and then there is Bad Google Translation. Icon suffers from the latter. I don’t even want to think about the former.

  46. Bottom Line: Leftist Turley wants to see a nuclear-armed Iran because that would put the heat on those Joos in Israel, who are too busy advancing civilization instead of promoting Leftist causes. If Turley were around when Hitler was rising in power, he also would have been calling for the USA to stay out of Germany’s business, when the correct move would have been to bomb the crap out of Hitler before he even got started. Same for Ahmadinijad and his Muslim terrorist buddies. Turley likes to wait and wait until the enemies of civlization do some really serious damage. As usual, he uses the alibi of the lives of American troops being risked, when in reality, Turley doesn’t give a hoot about American soldiers in any shape of form.

    In addition to Turley’s knee-jerk Leftist response to support any anti-Israel causes, Turley no doubt also feels personally inferior to the many Jewish lawyers who spin circles around him. Not that that is particularly challenging when it comes to dealing with Leftist lawyers like him. But I’m sure Turley would feel a lot better about himself if cicumstances were such that all those Joo attorneys out there would just go away to make room for Turley’s Leftist mediocrity.

  47. Well, it’s so simple. Israel will blow something such as sink a U.S. ship and blame it on Iran and then provoke the U.S. to attack Iran. I suggest that the Americans should keep a close watch on the activities of the Zionist lobbies and also a close eye on Israel. It’s in Israel DNA to do something crazy and blame it on others. It is also time for Iran to act responsibly and not get provoked by Israeli tactics. Dangerous times indeed.

  48. “I suggest that the Americans should keep a close watch on the activities of the Zionist lobbies and also a close eye on Israel. It’s in Israel DNA to do something crazy”

    Mahboob Kahn,

    I agree that the U.S. should keep a close eye on Israeli lobbying while simultaneously keeping a close eye on Saudi lobbying and buying parts of the U.S. media. Also per the Israeli DNA thing, perhaps, but what kind of crazy DNA do some Arabs have using 14 year old children to blow themselves up? While your at it, could you elucidate about the DNA that would murder a woman for being raped, or kill someone because they think him blasphemous? How about the DNA that would destroy thousand year old works of art because they were made by people of a different religion? It seems to me there’s a lot of crazy DNA going on in the world and certainly Israeli’s don’t have the monopoly on it.

  49. Mike S, at the risk of repeating the obvious (although repetition is the foundation of humor, and humor is founded upon repetition), where there’s DNA, there’s crazy DNA, and if that weren’t enough, there’s crazy-making DNA making other DNA crazed, so we better keep an eye on everything.

    Which reminds me of the immigrant who, while learning English, wrote the sentence: “I told mine Uncle Harvey, keep your eye out for a bargain; if your eye falls on a bargain, pick it up.” All the other ESL students mocked him but he had the last word: “Mine Uncle got a glass eye!”

    So anyway, we better keep our eyes on them all… ;-)

  50. Mahboob Khan 1, October 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm

    Well, it’s so simple. Israel will blow something such as sink a U.S. ship and blame it on Iran and then provoke the U.S. to attack Iran. I suggest that the Americans should keep a close watch on the activities of the Zionist lobbies and also a close eye on Israel. It’s in Israel DNA to do something crazy and blame it on others. It is also time for Iran to act responsibly and not get provoked by Israeli tactics. Dangerous times indeed.
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    If Israel does something stupid against the United States, it will be their worst day. It will be their end.

  51. It is time that we keep an eye on evil/Satanic forces so that they will not hijack the peace of the world. Those who talk war, those who encourage others to go to war, those who indulge in war, will lose their economy and those who lose their economy will lose their treasury and those who lose their treasury will lose their military and those who lose their military will lose everything. Let’s wage peace in the world! The days of the blame game should be over.

  52. Mitt Romney was out and gone but then they — the war mongers — injected money and resurrected his dead horse, now he is almost even with Obama and set to replace him in the Election. If he is elected the end time will be near paving the way for the (second) return of Iesa bin Meryam (Jesus son of Mary).

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