Various news sites are reporting that a Christian man, Ishtiaq Masih, was beaten to death in Pakistan’s Punjab province for buying a cup of tea in a Muslim-only tea stall.
The owner is a Mubarak Ali, 42, who put up a sign in Machharkay village saying that non-Muslims had to identify themselves when approaching the stall. When Masih’s cross was noticed around his neck, the owner called on people to attack him. Here is how the International Christian Concern (ICC) described it: “When Ishtiaq went to pay for his tea, the owner noticed that he was wearing a necklace with a cross and grabbed him, calling for his employees to bring anything available to beat him for violating a sign posted on the stall warning non-Muslims to declare their religion before being served. . . The owner and 14 of his employees beat Ishtiaq with stones, iron rods and clubs, and stabbed him multiple times with kitchen knives as Ishtiaq pleaded for mercy.”
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“pointed out your assertions had no proof instead”
See AY? You don’t want me pruf redding for yous.
IS,
You might also want to consider the link between zealotry and bigotry. They ARE related behaviors. Gyges is right. The Devil is in all men equally. How it manifests itself is the difference. Some can keep their demons leashed better than others. You should think about that before debasing a whole group of people’s behavior and their religion based on the act of an individual or small group.
Add these to your list ‘o pondering . . .
When you start an argument with a charge of fault you better make sure you can define the fault. If you can’t define the fault and contextually present the evidence in support of your argument based on said fault, don’t go to the “well they just are” line. It opens you, the presenter, to impeachment even if that method of impeachment is character assassination to discredit your credibility to be believed on lightly or unfounded assertions. You provided the fodder for this yourself by not only not being prepared but by refusing to quit maligning all of Islam once it was pointed out your assertions had proof instead of addressing said insufficient proof. This left room for you and your bias to present you as bigoted. It’s not fair, most certainly not the Marquess of Queensberry rules or Robert’s Rules of Order – I’ll even stipulate it was dirty pool for a dirty job, but I’ve already told you what you should have expected considering the venue and fair wasn’t it. It wasn’t fair for you to malign all of Islam for one small group’s actions either. Symmetry is achieved.
For my part, here endeth the lesson. If you can get over the now boring phase of telling me what a sh*t I am, you just might learn something. Buddha teaches us that difficult people are a lesson in patience. It is also true that not every difficult person is your enemy.
The road is that way . . .
Mike,
What am I chopped liver?
Buddha, IS,
Perhaps I may “mediate” and end this tiring back and forth.
IS,
Your point that Islam is the only religion today acting in a backward manner was challenged by Buddha as being incorrect. His position is that all of the major religions today, including Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism exhibit the same intolerance that can easily escalate into the same intolerance, violence and death, we see occurring in Islam.
In this Buddha is demonstrably correct. The recent killing of Dr. tiller, illustrates Christian based fanaticism. In Israel and ultra-Orthodox man killed Muslims wantonly in a Mosques as they were worshiping one Friday. Rabin, the Israeli PM, was killed by an ultra-Orthodox student. In India Muslims are constantly getting killed by Hindu rioters and vice versa. All major religions in this world, at this time, demonstrate excesses on the part of their most fanatical and zealous followers. As a Jew and as a supporter of Israel I wish I could say differently, but as someone who tries to understand issues and all their aspects, I can’t.
Your claims vis. Islam are over the top and you really have not demonstrated any proof of them save for your own visceral reactions to the news and your interpretation of them.
Buddha,
You know I love you and have admitted to sicilian 1 that I’m one of your shameless sycophants. However, you have been too quick in this exchange to resort to the snark and to the
invective in a manner that was going to invite return thrusts. I have found that engaging IS based on argument and without name calling to have at least established dialogue. We’re here to express points of view are we not? To be frank this endless round of retort is clogging up the thread and becoming annoying. As you know you could find examples from me which would indicate my words might be “the pot calling the kettle black,”(I love me my cliches)but my words are true even if I sometimes don’t live up to them.
Guys,
Please play nice in the playpen and also please FFLEO’s caution regarding four letter words. Having grown up with permissive parents and come of age in a permissive era, I think I can out swear most anyone on this site, but it really
is self defeating to use these words to make an argument.
IS,
I’ve explained my theory as to what’s going on, I haven’t provided much proof other than to suggest some books to read. On the other hand, you haven’t offered much proof either. While you acknowledge that every single complaint you have against Islamic countries is present to some degree or another in other cultures you seem to avoid the most simple explanation: The flaw isn’t in Islam, but in something universal to humanity. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our Gods, but in ourselves.
I’ve got four cars, two blue, one red, and one white. The CD player skips to varying degrees in all of them, it must be because of a fundamental flaw of blue cars for the blue ones and for different reasons in the red and white cars.
It’s been a nice conversation, and I have honestly thought about what you said, but I remained underwhelmed by your “just look at what’s happening over there” argument. Look at what happens around Easter in South America, look at the women burned as witches in Africa, look at the people tortured by our government, look at the children abused by Catholic priests, etc. etc. etc. I doubt I’ve convinced you of anything, but I hope I’ve given you something to consider.
AY,
Sometimes I lose interest. He’s finally popped his cork (despite protestation otherwise) and is now not even weakly bobbing and weaving as he was initially, but rather just seems content to vent on me. That gets boring pretty quick.
AY,
I’m about done playing with my food.
Buddha,
It is funny, don’t engage the idiot. I read most of the messages from my phone as it is easier. You are one intelligent person. Don’t let him engage the rage. I have let one person on this list do so. And now I am in repentance.
You keep on acting like a douche though. It’s funny.
No, you’re just a bigot and sore loser.
BIL:
I dont feel pissed off, actually I have been enjoying the diatribe.
Now you are attacking my parents? What kind of person are you?
I have said nothing about your momma or papa, I did not call you names.
“I’m not only smarter than you, ace, I’m more efficient.”
So that is what it comes down to? You must be very insecure and in need of approbation. What you should be getting for most of your posts on this website is opprobrium.
Oh, no, dear IS. You are the one visibly pissed off as evidenced by your refusal to walk away with any shred of dignity left. You couldn’t piss me off if you tried. Oh, that’s right. You HAVE tried. And on a word count analysis, I succeeded in not only pushing your button first, but I did it with fewer words. I’m not only smarter than you, ace, I’m more efficient. You accused me of being a girl (like there’s something wrong with that? you a misogynist too?), an statement that was supposed to be emasculating, yet you turn around and take defeat anything but like man. Hmmmmm . . . Freud would have a field day with that. But I’m just willing to write off to you being a bad loser, which is also a direct result of poor parenting and educational misadventure.
BiL:
there is no vein throbbing in my forhead. You must be projecting.
Not at all. It’s accurate. And let’s be clear. I said bigot and possibly racist. It’s possible to be bigoted without being racist and your remarks give all the evidence required that you are bigoted against Muslims. I don’t have to prove you are bigot. You did just fine in that area.
And that vein throbbing in you forehead will stop eventually.
BIL:
please show me how I am a bigot? Lets see I have some Muslim friends that agree with me, I employ a Muslim who is a great guy. I have given money to Muslim Charities. What have you done? Probably just call me a bigot and now you feel good about yourself, so leftist in your mentality. Think locally, feel globally.
Yes I am bigoted through and through and you are a deeply disturbed individual.
You have a nice day.
Oh and you dont think calling me a racist bigot is an ad hominum attack?
Any more pissy ad hominem attacks you’d like to make in a vain effort to hurt my feelings (?), please feel free. And for the record, there are lots of people who disagree with me who aren’t bigots. You just happen to be a bigot. A poorly reasoned, self-rationalizing, hateful little person with an agenda. That has nothing to with you disagreeing with me and everything to do with parenting failures and educational misadventure.
Have a nice day.
Bingo!
I win.
Cya, loser.
Buddha Is Lactating:
if I am a bigot then you must be a sexually frustrated cat loving spinster with a house that smells like cat urine. How many cats do you have – 3,4,..10? You probably use this blog for frustration relief because anyone that disagrees with you is a bigot or worse. You go girl…… and empty those cat boxes.
What you have is an opinion you think constitutes proof. It led you to make an assertion you cannot provide proof for because your opinion was formed on inadequate knowledge and ignorance. An assertion that was maligning one religion and bolstering the others by false comparison. When repeated asked to show the flaw endemic in Islam, you have failed to do so other than generalities that can be applied to any religion. You’ve proven something alright.
You’re a bigot for certain.
No Proof = No Sale