The Vatican appears in need of a serious media consultant. Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican’s permanent observer to the UN, has issued a defense that boils down to insisting that implicated priests were not pedophiles but homosexuals who liked young boys — and besides no more than five percent of priests had sex with children . . . and Jews and Protestants do it more.
Tomasi made his confrontational statement following a meeting of the UN human rights council in Geneva, insisting only 1.5%-5% of Catholic clergy were involved in child sex abuse. Tomasi seems to think that the faithful can rest assured that the likelihood that the priest will sexually assault your child is only 5 out of every 100 priests. Those are odds that are viewed as more than adequate in Vegas.
He also insisted that it is more likely that your child will be abused by Protestant or Jewish religious leaders — making the Catholic Church a virtual safe zone if you are going on purely the average likelihood of a rape. That could lead to a new campaign: “Go Catholic: We are Statistically Less Likely to Rape Your Child.”
Besides, Tomasi insisted “[o]f all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90% belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.” He insisted most of the accused priests are homosexuals who simply liked younger partners.
The angry response came after Keith Porteous Wood of the International Humanist and Ethical Union accused the Church of covering up child abuse and being in breach of several articles under the Convention on the Rights of the Child: “The many thousands of victims of abuse deserve the international community to hold the Vatican to account, something it has been unwilling to do, so far. Both states and children’s organizations must unite to pressure the Vatican to open its files, change its procedures worldwide, and report suspected abusers to civil authorities.”
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Bryon,
You can Hi-Jack mine son long as you don’t get me banned. But please do not agree with lil billy wanker on nutin.
Byron or is it Bron? I hope you haven’t been “hi-jacking” peoples sobriquets again and pretending to be them, like you had in the past. I read in one of “buddhas posts” that that was how you got busted last time. Tsk, Tsk..
Furthermore, your belief that “immorality applies” to a modification in the “fast and abstinence laws” within the Church is also wrong. By defintion and in point of fact.
Judge I will be wating for my reaponse, the question has yet to be answered. I never said slavery was just, moral or acceptable. Please stop the game playing. Use all of your skills, your considerable powers to refute me! I want you show me in history when, where, and how the church has modified and altered her postion on “sexual immorality”. The most obvious forms are, but not limited to fornication, sodomy(homosexuality) and adultery. Now, lets’ get refocused and back on course shall we. You were doing well, you made some “headway” with the abortion issue. Sadly, you fell short because you were unable to prove that this teaching was altered from being somewhat tolerated to becoming a mortal sin and grounds for immediate excommunication. In fact you would incur “ipso facto” excommunication if you procured an abortion or performed one or payed for one. Please see “Cathechism of the Catholic Church: Page 606-2271”. Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. Please proceed.
I realize I have few friends on this blog, but I wasn’t expecting to make that many with my religious beliefs..
AY, you are a “doggone Texas Longhorn”, do you have to talk like that! Remember, we can disagree and be civil, I still like you..
So Billy,
Are you a pole smoking, fudge packer, defrocked catholic priest?
Homosexuality is a gravely disordered act, perverted and perverting. Sodomy between men is not a logical and wholesome alternative to the procreative union of man and wife, authorized by the Creator for the fulfillment and enrichment of the human race..
The word “immorality” by definition and used in the context we were using it was accurately defined by myself. Vice and being unchaste, is the most common definition of immorality. Sexual depravity and promiscuity are words that define “immorality”. Thanks for reading the post Judge..
Billy,
You really are becoming a bore or is that boar. Take your medication and call the Nurse in the morning and confess that you really are a Homosexual Defrocked Catholic Priest looking for friends. You could not control your urges and now you must make others pay by this hyperbole. Think about it, throw out a good offense, yes you have been quite offensive.
The illicit and illegal sexual activity that these homosexual priests have perpetrated is indeed a “crime” and an evil and shameful abuse of their authority and power within the Church. The only thing more “reprehensible” has been the homosexual Bishops who have been playing “hide the pedophile”!The prelates who have done this are even more guilty for ordaining these men, and than attempting to hide their glaring mistake by shuffling this deviants’ around. Recidivism in this behavior is staggering and these homosexual perpetrators need to be removed from active ministry and laicized as well. Until this pattern is altered, I feel the abuses will continue and the scandal will continue to plague the Church. Once proactive steps are in place to remove actively homosexual men from the ministerial priesthood, a noticeable change will take place. Not overnight, but slowly and inexorably….
I find it even more compelling when one studies the behavior of pedophiles, in that they frequent school yards looking for pre-pubescent children to molest. The priests in question are molesting young men that are quite capable of siring their own family as the majority of them have gone through puberty! This is what you call a “man looking for sexual relations” with another man, who he feels is capable of having sex with him. Father Fiores’ statistics are accurate and reflective of the Church in America. If you were to interview, or listen to the interviews given by these “priest perpetrators”, they will freely admit they are HOMOSEXUAL!
Hi Judge, I’m back We were discussing “sexual immorality”. I think you are once again trying to evade the issue. We were not discussing “food prohibitions”, “slavery” or the “pilfering of candy”. We wre discussing the church “never” endorsing or modifying her postion on sexual immorality, ie. adultery, fornication or homosexuality. I have pretty well covered with statistical and theologic proof that pedophilia is but a smoke screen, due to the rampant abuses going on in the contemporary Church. Admit that over 90% of the molestation in the church is perpetrated by priests upon young adolescent males from the ages of 12-18. When you admit this, you will than admit that homosexuality has been the cause of the “grave scandal” poisoning the church for decades. The “aberration of pedohilia” is but a smokescreen for the “immoral conduct of the homosexual” priests that have abused and perverted their authority , by victimizing young adolescent males. The statistics are posted on a “multitutde of search engines”, to enumerate them all would be far to daunting. I suggest you go back and type in Father Fiore and Homosexuality in the Church. Also, type in the works of Dr. Nicolosi, in Los Angeles. He has spent over twenty years attempting to weed out applicants to the priesthood with proclivities toward homosexuality. Coincidentally, he is a Catholic psychologist who ardently believes that homosexuality is a sexual disorder and is capable of being cured.
Gyges/Mespo/Buddha:
An artist appreciates recognition by those he admires. I knew if anyone would appreciate that little play on words it would be you, being consummate wordsmiths.
Holy hymnal, Batman, when is the “fat lady” going to sing? I go away for a millenium–and the discussion continues. And on to infinity…
Byron,
Very well played indeed.
Byron For Emperor!
Byron,
That was beautifully done. Best parody I’ve read all year.
“Immorality refers to unchastity and vice, not slavery, not by a secualar definition or by the Churchs. Nice try though…”
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By failing to acknowledge slavery as a moral issue you disqualify yourself from any rational discussion. To say that ownership of fellow humans does not involve a moral choice renders you either ignorant of the word’s meaning, or non compos mentis.
billy:
I suppose it takes one to know one, you are an invertebrate suck up. My skills pale in comparison. I am not worthy.