There is an interesting controversy in Brooklyn after the city yielded to the Hasidic community in sandblasting off bike lanes on roads. Hasidic leaders complained that they are having trouble obeying their religious law forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex with women biking around in shorts. Bicycle advocates have been trying to repaint the lanes.
The Hasidic community has long viewed this enclave as their special area, even though other families and artists have moved in recently. That has caused trouble with the Shomrim Patrol, a Hasidic neighborhood watch group. The Shomrim recently apprehended two cycling advocates who were repainting the lane and called the police. No charges were filed but the bikers were prevented from repainting the lane.
I find it incredible that the city would yield to such demands by a religious group to erase bike lanes. A Department of Transportation spokesman said: “We will continue to work with any community on ways we can make changes to our streets without compromising safety.” However, this is a religious-based objection to women who are not covered. Yet, reports indicate that Mayor Bloomberg wanted to appease the Hasidic community before his recently close election.
Hasidic leaders say that the cyclists endanger families and children. However, this is not the view of the city in creating these lanes and they are found in every major city. The real objection appears to be their lifestyle and the rigid religious beliefs of this sect. It is a clearly improper decision that uses city resources to enforce values of a single religious group.
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Btw, I’m sure you’re all as excited as I am to see the liar racist Jew Spinell’s response to PROOF that he’s a liar racist Jew.
Took me FIVE WHOLE MINUTES to cut-and-paste that Jew catalog of racist evil. Plenty more where that came from.
Wyman, nice company you keep. Pehaps you’d like to jump in if you’re capable of anything more that pissing in the wind.
Wyman —
Don’t mistake the thirty seconds I’m spending on you as taking you too seriously. Same amount of time I might spend scratching my ass.
Do you have ANYTHING worthwhile or meaningful to add? Even if I’m wrong, or a “bigot,” at least I’m attempting to make a point.
Here’s a novel idea, maybe you’d like to actually take a position and make an argument.
Naw, why bother, easier to take adolescent pot-shots and let everyone else do the work. You’ve learned well from your racist liar Jew masters.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/19/naked-bike-protesters-get_n_398287.html
Perhaps it’s time to ask ourselves again: Should these nice ladies and their beautiful knees be permitted to travel on their bicycles securely through Brooklyn streets, or not?
“Wyman –
You making a non-sensical statement and me responding is not “getting my goat.” I won’t make the mistake of taking you seriously again — ass hole.
You responded to my non-sensical statement.
OK
But you won’t take me seriously again.
So…you took my “non-sensical statement” seriously?
Talk about being able to pick low-hanging fruit(cake). You’re so easy, you can make a streetwalker look like a cloistered nun. 😉
I believe Judaism, Islam, and Christianity (Patriarchy) are the roots of all evil.
Do you deny that Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinians? And Genesis is full of genocide.
Do you deny that Diaspora Jews have a loyalty to Israel?
MrB, The Torah and the Talmud teach nothing of the kind and I’m a lot more familiar with them than your are.
Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.
Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
“The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.”
– Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b
“The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-J
ew.”- Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
“Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form.”
– Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
“A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.”
– Coschen hamischpat 405
“The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs.”
– Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b
“Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.”
– Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b
“If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog.”
– Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b
“If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: “God will replace ‘your loss’, just as if one of his oxen or asses had died”.”
– Jore dea 377, 1
“Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals.”
– Talmud Sanhedrin 74b
“It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile.”
– Sepher ikkarim III c 25
“It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah.”
– Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5
“A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands.”
– Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b
“Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.”
– Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772
Watch for ignoring it, demanding sources, challenging and discrediting sources, mockery, changing the subject, or disavowing the obvious racist implications “personally.”
“Why do you have such a hard time admitting who you are. I would think you’d be proud of who you are, I am.”
I admitted that by your definition, and Merriam-Webster’s definition, if I’m a bigot, so are the Jews. Me admitting what I am – what a jerk – is not really this issue on this thread. Would it make a difference to you if I was proud to be a free-thinking black man?
“Another thing that defines your bigotry is that you do it from hiding. I have no idea of either your religious belief or your political leanings, all that is evident is that you hate Jews.”
Oh, I’m sorry, is this a true confessions column? Is it my turn to tell everyone about myself? Well, I’m originally from Michigan…
My religious beliefs and political leanings have nothing to do with it. We’re talking about “you.” Typical “Jew” misdirection.
““I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry?””
“Asking a group to prove they’ve never admitted to being wrong about something is an absurdity. How do you disprove a negative?”
I never asked you to prove you NEVER admitted to being wrong. I asked for an instance of admitting when you were.
Your grammar, she’s not so good.
I sarcastically said I was stunned how the Jew is always right and the anti-Semite is always wrong. You said no, the Jew isn’t always right, I said I wasn’t convinced, and asked for one little example when the Jew was wrong, admitted it, and said they were sorry. Or, if YOU, personally were “sorry” for anything. You’ve misstated my premise, or my contention, but I don’t think you did it purpose.
But, more misdirection.
“Secondly, why should I allow you to control the discussion?”
Somebody has to! Nyuk nyuk. I think what I’m doing is trying to stay on thread, on topic. I know that bothers you.
“When I provided you with the real history of Edward I, you ignored it by failing to answer my refutation.”
See my refutation of Mr. Know-it-all’s version of Edward I and the Jews at http://www.dontwasteyourtime.com.
MORE misdirection. Tedious, isn’t it.
“Thirdly, you are so lost in your hatred of the Jewish People that you don’t even understand the simple fact that Jews are not homogenous.”
I’m married to a Jew, over 30 years, not that it matters, or any of your fucking business, but now that I’ve made it your business, I may not know everything there is to know about THE JEW, but I know a pretentious dick-wad when I see one.
“We have no Pope. We have no guiding authority. No one can speak for all Jews. While there have been numerous instances of certain Jews admitting wrongness of actions, the Israeli Peace Movement today for instance, none of these can speak for all Jews.”
The Israeli Peace Movement. Thanks for reminding me. There, that wasn’t so hard, was it? Don’t recall asking you to speak for all Jews everywhere. Sheesh. Like pulling teeth.
“Your hatred and lack of understanding allows you to pose a question that is absurd on its face [!?!] but I’m sure that when you and your Jew hating buddies get together you think it is pristine logic.”
Unfocussed anti-Gentile boilerplate babble.
“I don’t know a thing about your intelligence, but you are probably not stupid. The problem is that even the most intelligent of people can be woefully ignorant and you fall into that category.”
A left-handed compliment (“probably” not stupid? I’ll take it. How much?) and a platitude.
Of course, in all fairness, intelligent Jews (I know, redundant) are susceptible to pitfalls of their own.
“Also evident too is that you are a person seething with rage, barely controlled and you try to deal with it by focussing that rage on other groups and individuals. Sadly, you are like a caricature of a bigot and lack the resources to really be effective in your diatribes.”
Unsolicited psychoanalysis, stereotypes and comic relief. I think we’re both caricatures, you play your part and I play mine. Why break the illusion? “Seething with rage, barely controlled.” Do you write romance novels on the side? How in the world do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Not “rage.” OUTRAGE. And certainly not focused on “other groups and individuals,” at the moment, anyway. Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.
You seem to assume the case proved, that all anger and outrage expressed by some toward “Jews” is irrational and unjustified. A mental disorder, according to you.
What is the diagnosis and treatment of a “bigot” when his outrage is justified?
Oh, and if you’d like to “talk history” I’d be happy to re-engage on the aristocrat’s nephew being ritually murdered by Jews episode. What a corker! I’d even take the time to find and cite the book written by the boy’s uncle precipitating the expulsion of the Jews from England for, what was it this time, 400 years?
Mike,
Wait, you mean that there is variation within the beliefs and actions of members of a religion that’s existed for thousands of years and who are scattered across several continents?
That’s downright inconceivable.
Topless Bike Protest In Williamsburg Latest Hipster-Hasidic Jew Battle
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/18/topless-bike-protest-in-w_n_397505.html
“Pray tell, what comment did I make about “The Israeli question” or “Israel’s existence?”
“Astraea
I am agreeing with you and that is where Anti-Semitism comes from: Jewish genocide, war, and economic warfare against the host countries for thousands of years.”
“Gus
Ask a Jew where his/her allegiance is in the VERY hypothetical case that your country goes to war against Israhell.”
“Astraea
OOH Gus That Hurt”
Astraea,
Disingenuousness doesn’t become you. Now tell me I’m wrong and that you believe Israel to be legitimate. That wouldn’t fit with your other written comments here. One of the charges made against Israel is genocide and “Israhell” certainly has negative connotations. You fit in well with the other bigots here in that your comments consist of attacks, while maintaining a cloak of anonymity about where your own religious/political/ethnic affiliations lie. One might suspect you follow a more pantheistic tradition from some of your comments and that you might put yourself on the left side of the political spectrum, but that would be mere speculation. The only known facts about you based on your writings are that you don’t like Jews and seem to think we are among the roots of all evil.
Mike Spindell
Pray tell, what comment did I make about “The Israeli question” or “Israel’s existence”?
I was starting to feel like I was talking into a black hole.
I dislike entering these threads because I value my words and to have them return to me so fruitlessly leaves me feeling drained.
Nate,
As usual, you being the sincere person you are, find yourself trying to engage with Astraea in an honest dialogue. I would suggest you scroll up and look at all of her(?)comments and see that she is not really interested in that. The Israeli question has nothing to do with the Williamsburgh bike lane issue and in fact the Satmar cult is opposed to Israel’s existence. Astraea has her own agenda and she is just trying to suck you into it. She is not looking for dialogue, merely to score points for her beliefs.
“The Torah and Talamud teach the racial superiority of the Jews, and are therefore “bigoted” against the non-Jew.”
MrB,
The Torah and the Talmud teach nothing of the kind and I’m a lot more familiar with them than your are. Why do you have such a hard time admitting who you are. I would think you’d be proud of who you are, I am. Another thing that defines your bigotry is that you do it from hiding. I have no idea of either your religious belief or your political leanings, all that is evident is that you hate Jews.
“I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry?”
Asking a group to prove they’ve never admitted to being wrong about something is an absurdity. How do you disprove a negative? Secondly,
why should I allow you to control the discussion? When I provided you with the real history of Edward I, you ignored it by failing to answer my refutation. Thirdly, you are so lost in your hatred of the Jewish People that you don’t even understand the simple fact that Jews are not homogenous. We have no Pope. We have no guiding authority. No one can speak for all Jews. While there have been numerous instances of certain Jews admitting wrongness of actions, the Israeli Peace Movement today for instance, none of these can speak for all Jews.
Your hatred and lack of understanding allows you to pose a question that is absurd on its face but I’m sure that when you and your Jew hating buddies get together you think it is pristine logic. I don’t know a thing about your intelligence, but you are probably not stupid.
The problem is that even the most intelligent of people can be woefully ignorant and you fall into that category. Also evident too is that you are a person seething with rage, barely controlled and you try to deal with it by focussing that rage on other groups and individuals. Sadly, you are like a caricature of a bigot and lack the resources to really be effective in your diatribes.
From the Merriam-Webster:
“BIGOT — A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. The Torah and Talamud teach the racial superiority of the Jews, and are therefore “bigoted” against the non-Jew. So, if I’m a bigot, Jews are bigots. Stupid little game you’re playing.
I ask for one example of Jews admitting they were wrong and you try to finesse your way out of it by fiddling with the semantics. 3,500 fucking years and you can’t think of a single instance of THE JEWS admitting they were wrong and saying they were sorry? Can you even come up with something THE JEWS are responsible for that you “personally” believe was wrong, and that you are “personally” sorry for, and would apologize for if you could? One example without a flippant misdirected answer would be refreshing.
Wyman —
You making a non-sensical statement and me responding is not “getting my goat.” I won’t make the mistake of taking you seriously again — ass hole.
When you guys are done jerking each other off, let me know.
Nate, what about when the “various stakeholde4rs” force themselves on others like with the bike lanes?
The accommodating process allows the various stakeholders to sort things out betwixt themselves.
The hatred and spite that this thread has evolved into from a small incident isn’t (the term escapes me) with the the matter at hand.
“In America it has become illegal to put a Christian cross on public ground; no symbol representing any aspect of the Christian religion is allowed. But while crosses are banned from the White House and any public place, huge Jewish Menorahs are going up by the thousands all over the United States as well as in many European countries. One of the main groups erecting them is Chabad Lubavitch, an organization that teaches that Gentiles are a lower and different species from Jews and that Gentiles’ entire purpose on earth is only to “serve Jews.”
http://www.davidduke.com/general/jewish-supremacist-organization-lites-menorah-in-front-of-white-house-2_14706.html
chabad = lubavitch = cult = mafia = crime = fraud = abuse
http://www.chabad-mafia.com/
As two law enforcement helicopters hovered overhead, dozens of federal agents descended on Agriprocessors Inc., the nation’s largest kosher slaughterhouse.
http://www.chabad-mafia.com/crime.php
“If they wish to [assimilate], certainly. If they don’t, I’ll accommodate.”
So, Nate, you believe it is “accommodating” to endanger women (and men) riding their bikes on the roads?
How do you feel about “Honor Killing” and Genital Mutilation as Freedom of Religion?
Actually erasing the bike lanes for a religious group violates Separation of Church and State.
Astraea,
“But Nate, the Huddled Masses need to assimilate.”
If they wish to, certainly. If they don’t, I’ll accommodate.
There are a number of different groups and belief cultures that value a “seperate” identity, from the Jewish cult listed above to the Amish. A full list is probably quite extensive. As long as they contribute to society more than they take, I personally will do my part in respecting their wishes.
One group that I personally find detestable are the Fundamental Latter Day Saints (FLDS) residing in the most isolated patches out west. They take, in the form of resources, far more than they contribute. In the process, they heap untold pain and suffering on their most helpless members, their innumerable children.
Big Brother dear, we’re still waiting…