There is an interesting controversy in Brooklyn after the city yielded to the Hasidic community in sandblasting off bike lanes on roads. Hasidic leaders complained that they are having trouble obeying their religious law forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex with women biking around in shorts. Bicycle advocates have been trying to repaint the lanes.
The Hasidic community has long viewed this enclave as their special area, even though other families and artists have moved in recently. That has caused trouble with the Shomrim Patrol, a Hasidic neighborhood watch group. The Shomrim recently apprehended two cycling advocates who were repainting the lane and called the police. No charges were filed but the bikers were prevented from repainting the lane.
I find it incredible that the city would yield to such demands by a religious group to erase bike lanes. A Department of Transportation spokesman said: “We will continue to work with any community on ways we can make changes to our streets without compromising safety.” However, this is a religious-based objection to women who are not covered. Yet, reports indicate that Mayor Bloomberg wanted to appease the Hasidic community before his recently close election.
Hasidic leaders say that the cyclists endanger families and children. However, this is not the view of the city in creating these lanes and they are found in every major city. The real objection appears to be their lifestyle and the rigid religious beliefs of this sect. It is a clearly improper decision that uses city resources to enforce values of a single religious group.
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Buddha —
Here, catch, an olive branch.
Unless Spindell decides to prove his point, I’m done. If he can’t or won’t, I don’t blame him for not trying. There is nothing a “larger context” could possibly say to undo what we can read with our own eyes. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I won’t make that mistake again. Promise.
The only other time I feel “outrage” the way I sometimes feel “outrage” toward “the Jews” is when reading about, or watching a YouTube, or actually witnessing police brutality. I have never personally experienced police brutality, but I’ve got eyes. Call it “Bully Syndrome.” I know associating police brutality with the Jews seems counterintuitive. In spite of their achievements, and they are many, the Jews continue to see and portray themselves as victims. Never as the schoolyard “bully.”
Spindell, you’re the psychoanalyst, the one with all the Harvard book-learnin — what’s it all mean?
I’m not “bdaman” or whoever it is you’re clucking about. Little offended some jerk-off’s getting credit for my effort, such as it is. Think what you will. My word, such as it is, I have not knowingly or deliberately lied about anything I’ve said. I may be a bigot, I may be wrong, I may be misinformed, but I’m not a liar.
Love Spells by Novices may involve Violations of Free Will but that is frowned upon by Long Practicing Witches as it Violates Free Will according to what I’ve read.
Mr.B
What do you think about Good Samaritan Laws? I read The Fall by Sartre in which the “hero” had to tell his story of failing to be a Good Samaritan for eternity until somebody said he was right to not save the drowning woman because he was a Misogynist although he opened doors for Women. The Good Samaritan Law deprives People of determining their Spiritual Orientation by forcing behavior on them legally instead of giving them Free Will to do what’s Right.
“Wymann —
“Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”
Well, at least you enclosed me in quotes this time. I like you. You’re funny.
Happy Solstice. Seriously.
I won’t take anyone seriously until they can at least spell my name correctly.
And I’ll give you props for hanging in the longest with the most inflammatory comments. You do know the buttons to push.
Mr.B Sounds like Politics to me not Witchcraft which got a bad name from Christianity. Witchcraft, at least now, says whatever you send out returns threefold to you.
Astraea —
“Mr.B, How about Witchcraft which operates on the Principle of “An ye harm none, do what you will”.”
For me, there is one Universal, all-encompassing Law: The Law of Free-will. More or less live and let live, unless of course the “manner” in which we choose to live violates someone else’s free-will. Put it however you want. Put it in YOUR OWN words.
Witchcraft, as I’ve always understood it, white or black, seems to frequently involve the “covert” manipulation of people — through “spells,” hynotic suggestion, psycho-linguistics, altered states of consciousness — without their knowledge, and therefore against their wills. That BOTHERS me.
Mr.B I’m trying to educate about Goddess Worship because I believe we would have more Peace in the World if we honored Birth-Giving and therefore Life which we don’t worship because we worship the Father God of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity who is a God of War, Death, Misogyny, and Genocide.
Never has so much been said by so many that means so little.
Given the plethora of major issues that fill the world, that this silly, parochial issue has generated 250 comments suggests there is little hope for the world!
Astraea —
“Mr. B, We don’t have to revive Human Sacrifice, just Goddess Worship. So far historically ALL Religions are about killing Infidels. But we have Laws against Religious use of Peyote. Just have Laws against Human Sacrifice. But then Bush/Cheney (and now Obama) would be in trouble! As for Separation of Synagogue and State, shall we say Separation of Religion and State which is the Intent of the phrase, “Separation of Church and State”?”
Religion and State it is. As long as what we’re doing is voluntary, and not hurting anyone, or violating anyone’s free-will, and, of course, respectful of the environment, I’m all for it. Make love, not money. That’s me.
Wymann —
“Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”
Well, at least you enclosed me in quotes this time. I like you. You’re funny.
Happy Solstice. Seriously.
blah blah blah blah hate blah blah blah
Quantity isn’t quality.
Women’s Attractiveness to Men is Nature’s Way of Reproducing the Species. Why do Men oppose Women’s Sexuality in Judaism, Islam, and Christianity? Worship Venus, Goddess of Sexual Love, or Mother Goddess who gave Birth to the Universe before God Demonized Her and Usurped Her Throne in Heaven.
Spindell —
“So awash in your own importance that you think my life should revolve around answering your latest crap?”
No more than you, if that’s what you think.
“I wasn’t on the computer yesterday…”
I’m not really interested in your life story.
“…nor was I waiting with bated breath for your latest bigoted production. So many quotes seeming to prove your case, but like much else you do, dishonest and lacking context. All of your quotes come from the Talmud, which is a huge combination of debates of issues and laws.”
The important part was, “All your quotes come from the Talamud…”
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
That Wiki link above gives an overview, which anyone interested can check out. The Talmud is a collection of Rabbinic opinion dating back more than 2,000 years. The presentation is in debate form, or in a question form. You provided sentences out of context to the entire passage and you did so in a tradition of anti-Jewish diatribe that goes back at least 700 years, when Church people were looking for means to discredit the Jews. The technique was losing full context and/or outright mistranslation. When you are talking about a collection of books, containing thousands of pages and quoting thousands of opinions I’m sure that the interested bigot can find something to prove, what they are already convinced of. Which ant-Jewish website did you copy your citations from, since nothing you’ve written gives indication of any inherant scholarship on your part? you bascally give rote rehashes of anti-Jewish themes that have become hoary with age, but give you comfort because to your limited conceptual view they agree with your pre-conceptions.”
You’re using “Wikipedia” as a source and criticizing MY “scholarship”? What a kidder.
If you had provided the exhonorating “larger contexts” of even one example from the many, many, many to choose from you might be more convincing. Here’s one:
“Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form.” – Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
The obvious so-called “out of context” meaning is non-ambiguous. The non-Jew is a sub-human animal intended to serve the Jew. If you can provide a “context” backing-up your claim that this horrendous teaching actually means something other than what it plainly says, do so. If not, it’s just Kosher hot air.
“So now if we are to believe you, a dubious proposition at best, you are a black man married long term to a Jewish woman and you got over your prejudice against White People. Isn’t that precious and oh so convenient? convenient at least from the perspective of a bigot, who wants to prove his bigotry is come by logically and really impersonal.”
What is so unusual about a black man marrying a Jewish woman and getting over whitey? Why the obsession with “profiling” me?
Typical Jew misdirection. You’re supposed to be convincing everyone that Jews are not the racist, genocidal liars the Talamud says they are.
“However, even if all of that is true you are still in hiding as to your true nature.”
My “true nature.” That’s just WEIRD.
“That is disingenuous. You have an agenda that encompasses, but is much broader than just your anti-Jewishness, but you reveal only the portions of it that suit the interest of your debating tactics.”
AND paranoid. And irrelevant to the question: Is the Talamud Racist? Or, does it teach “nothing of the kind.”
“Now your “wife” could be a Rabbi’s daughter and that would not mean that your are less the bigot. Indeed if she has stayed with you for 30 years one would expect she is a bigot herself…
My “wife” is a saint. Howzabout this country nigger kicks your honkey ass.
“Your comments on being black though are I think interesting and telling. Many victims of oppression identify with their oppressors and your curious phrase:
“Wasn’t too crazy about white people for a while. I got over it.” Sounds that kind of note.”
More psychoanalysis. To help make his point, apparently the professor here doesn’t realize that the Jews’ identification with THEIR oppressors, the racist Nazis, is apparent to everyone but themselves. Telling, indeed.
“My guess is that you are a Christian Conservative, who sniffs the behind and curries favor with those who have oppressed you. Because the suppression of your rage (outrage?)is so tightly under control it gives form in hatred of Jews, liberals too no doubt, as a means of venting.”
Irrelevant slipshod guesswork. MORE psychoanalysis. Jew-guilt misdirection.
“In truth you actually sound much like a more “out there avatar” of bdaman, who in this new personna has freed himself from the strictures of disguising his own bigotry.”
Wrong. AGAIN.
“Please notice that it is purposeful that I use bigotry descriptively, more than anti-Jewish. Jews may be one of your predilictions but bigotry is the name of your game. Bigotry in any of its forms is disgusting and in that sense so are you.”
Bigot, anti-Jewish, anti-semitic, racist, like I give a fuck what you CALL it, you egotistical preening dick.
“The other bigoted technique that runs in a common thread through your vitriol is to reverse the name calling. You fend off charges of bigotry
by charging Jews with being bigots.”
It’s not a “technique” if the “name calling” FITS. Are you saying Jews are incapable of bigotry? If not, I guess that makes Jews pretty fucking special. If so, what is your point? At best, all you can say is some Jews are bigots, some Jews aren’t. Just like everyone else.
“As a purported “Black Man” you should be quite familiar with this techniques from after the Civil Rights days, when the White bigots charged Black people with being bigoted against Whites. However, considering that if your are a black man, you are one who is so anxious to kiss White Ass, then of course you would rely on their techniques.”
Like I need a white man, Jew or otherwise, to explain the Civil Rights movement to me.
“I wasn’t seeking your solicitation and my judgment was not psychoanalysis, but mere analysis, based on your own words. Your manner of writing is angry, vitriolic and tends to be macho in terms of your name-calling. “Outrage” is merely a linguistic attempt to put a better face on the hatred and vitriol that seethes within you, despite your attempts to show self control. You are a pathetic, angry man, who projects your own disappointment with life on others, as do most bigots. This isn’t about material success, but about something within you that you can’t deal with and so project onto others, in a vain attempt to find relief. There is no relief for you as long as you engage in sublimated self-hatred. Now that is an analysis of you that I am confident in, because it’s based solely on your own words.”
Off-topic Jew misdirection, speculation, innuendo,and, of course, irrelevant psycho-babble.
“In fact, there has been another purported black, anti-Jewish bigot on this site of late and I wonder if your MrB isn’t a new identity for bdaman? One that allows the truth of his hatred and bigotry to come out. That is a distinct possibility, but of little moment, since in both instances these pseudonyms convict themselves of bigotry by their own words.”
Yawn.
“Lastly…”
Lastly? You’ve said absolutely nothing. Other than admit, Yes, the Talamud does say Gentiles are sub-human, and, Yes, a lot of other other terrible things, but don’t worry folks, it’s ALL ‘out of context,’ I’m a Jew, I should know, you’re just going to have to take my word for it. Now, instead of actually PROVING that the charges of racism against the Talamud are false by providing the relevant larger context for the whole world to see, let’s psychoanalyze MrB’s “agenda” instead.
Lastly, my butt.
“…despite your need to try to act all macho and insulting in an attempt to get into peoples faces, you really do come off as a silly man, out of his depth.”
I’m sorry. Did you say something? I must have dozed off.
Happy Solstice.
Buddha,
It is no doubt bdaman again, down to his claim to being black. He needs this identity to keep from being called out on his bdaman denials of being a bigot, but then to give him the freedom of giving full rein to his bigotry. Though I posted today at 11:08am, he has not yet replied to me but has made four other comments. This is the bdaman way. He’s admitted it himself. He is now doing “research” before replying to me. A pathetic bigot, who gets his ideas from others and has no hesitation about lying. Here I am the evil Jew manipulating everything. If that’s the case then maybe I’m using another URL to impersonate MrB, so as to manipulate for sympathy. Once you immerse yourself in conspiracy theory it all gets so dicey. Actually, since I’ve already reported him to ZOG, his Christmas Goose is cooked. A silly man, a silly cause and a silly belief. Pathetic and dishonest.
Binary,
My cat’s liter box has more brains than you do, genius, so don’t be too upset when I laugh in your lying hateful bigoted face when you attempt assess my intelligence. It’s not bravado or arrogance when I say I am much smarter than you – it’s a fact. So I’ll trust my assessments and the hundreds of IQ tests administered by psychological professionals I had during my time as a state lab rat over your assessments of my intellect, sunshine. I also literally have clothes smarter than you – well, they can do more calculations per second than you anyway.
And you can deny what you are all you like, Fundie. I already pointed out you are nothing but a mask change, bdatroll. So have others. Mike S and AY have both called you by your true name. I sure some of the other regulars who are very intelligent, good writer’s and analysts in their own right, and have been battling your troll smut for quite some time now are on to you as well. Most of them have been from the start and all on their own independent analysis of your spewing hatred. So that’d be not just my assessment as to who and what you are, dingo, but the assessment of others here as well.
Want to take a vote and test my theory? By simple show of hands (aye or nay), how many people think Binary is just another badman mask?
You’ve just changed tactics because you were getting your ass handed to you over the constant bigotry and the basics of your religion pointing to what a conflicted emotional and intellectual fraud you are.
I’ve pointed this out already in one of the propaganda lessons. That denial of “I was raised by Christians by I’m not one” nonsense before you started your offensive offensive.
If you were an actual atheist or agnostic, why go out of the way to affiliate your past with a religion you “discredit” by definition of your “current atheist status” before going on the offensive against Judaism? Unless you thought having a link to Christianity was somehow important to your hatred, er, “arguments”. Christian raised but atheist yet you hate on the Jews? Words have value loads. And that usage had a big old neon sign on it that said “set up for an end run”. You are a sloppy amateur propagandist, sport. And your game is not improving fast enough to stay ahead of the competition here at Res Ipsa Loquitur.
That’s what you get for sleeping in class but judging by your posts sleeping in class is what you have excelled at your entire life.
See, once I’ve already pointed out what you are doing tactically as a troll? Kind of makes your denials prove my point. If it didn’t upset you I mentioned your Jewish Savior? Why mention it at all, hm? It should affect you like a reference to Ba’all or Zeus would if you were really an atheist/agnostic. But you run to point out you are not what you associated yourself with as part of your premise.
Action, reaction. I poked and you responded. A troll biting at troll bait. Imagine that.
Your “style” is transparent as your tactics. You’re still a vile person by any ethical standard so that just leaves us back where we started: with an ignorant bigot thinking he’s pulling one over on people who see right through him.
Which is just funny as Hell.
Dance faster, puppet. Let’s see if you can do a gigue.
Mr.B
How about Witchcraft which operates on the Principle of “An ye harm none, do what you will”.
Happy Solstice to you, too!
Mr. B
We don’t have to revive Human Sacrifice, just Goddess Worship. So far historically ALL Religions are about killing Infidels. But we have Laws against Religious use of Peyote. Just have Laws against Human Sacrifice. But then Bush/Cheney (and now Obama) would be in trouble!
As for Separation of Synagogue and State, shall we say Separation of Religion and State which is the Intent of the phrase, “Separation of Church and State”?
“Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own.”
What, Mr. B?!? Now you’re suggesting you HAVE ideas?
Bwahahahahaha!
(Happy Solstice, Mr. B.)
Wymann —
“Thought I’d end the day with a good laugh. Hmmm, MrB? Bwahahahahaha!”
Etc., etc., etc.
Must be nice, going through life copying and pasting the words and ideas of others, and passing them off as your own. You are no Forrest Gump. Heck, at least Buddha TRIED to speak for himself.
No happy solstice for you.
Buddha —
“Mike is celebrating the holidays with his family, Mr. Dipstick. I’m sure when he’s done having his real life, you know – that thing you lack, I’m sure Mike will be back to kick your bigoted ass some more. All to our amusement and your horror.”
Thanks for bringing it up. This is good example of someone, like you, playing the role of good “Stepford” Jew lackey, laying back and letting someone else do your thinking for you. If you had a brain AND a spine you’d defend the plain speaking racism of the Talamud yourself instead of waiting for a real man — to Spindell’s credit — to do the job for you.
“So. How’s that working for a Jewish Savior working out for you?”
If I understand you correctly — I haven’t spoken pig Latin in years — I believe you’re attempting to communicate something about how that Jewish Savior thing is working out for me. Is that it? Don’t bother thanking me, my pleasure. I can’t stand watching dumb animals suffer.
I am not a Christian. I hope everyone’s happy, because now you stop guessing wrong. I have a saying that pretty much sums up my feelings about Christians and Christianity:
Anyone willing to let an innocent man die for their sins isn’t worth saving.
“Still don’t want to answer that? I can understand why.”
Oh shut up.
“Happy Holidays.”
Thanks. And a Happy Solstice to you.