A new Rasmussen poll reveals that 58% of people polled would like to see Flight 253 bombing suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tortured for information. It is not just an indictment of our values but another byproduct of President Obama’s blocking of any independent investigation and prosecution of torture under the Bush Administration. By protecting Bush officials, Obama is reinforcing their argument that such measures are merely controversial and not crimes.
The poll asked individuals: “Should waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques be used to gain information from the suspected bomber?” The result was 58% yes, to only 30% who said no. I was asked the same question during this segment of The Situation Room.
What is astonishing is that this poll occurred virtually as people were leaving for churches and synagogues to celebrate the holidays. I guess that walking on water thing was just a prelude to waterboarding the Pharisees.
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I don’t hate you posting here.
I’ve said before we need a resident pet troll to point to as a bad example and cautionary tale.
You aren’t important enough or dangerous enough to merit hatred.
Once again, you are legend. But only in YOUR mind.
You post drivel? It’ll get slapped down. Not just by me either (although your fixation is starting to sound rather Wayne like), but by the several others here who have handed you your head on plate around here. There are many here who have bested you, bdarube. It’s one of the reason you are no longer an effective propagandist.
Your tower is built on a foundation of sand.
But you keep coming back. Please do. Without darkness to contrast, we cannot lead others to the light.
What you fail to understand, badtroll, is that to be an effective propagandist one must speak with some kind of authority, even if it is false. The only subject you’ve proven mastery over is your own ignorance.
You are not an effective propagandist.
But then again, I suspect you are quite accustomed to personal failure. In every sense of the words.
But the topic here IS torture. And some might consider your drivel as such.
I know you do Mr. Sunspot, it’s like a bamboo shoot shoved under your finger nails, now ain’t it.
you hate me posting here, you despise me posting here, but unless your willing to back Obama’s FCC czar there’s not a damn thing you can do about it and thats a fact Jack.
And it’s a piss poor effort by a sub-standard intellect.
Since you asked.
Torturing him with anything is ILLEGAL. Torture has been illegal since 1791.
Amendment 8 – Cruel and Unusual Punishment
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Hows that
Torture him with CO2, no, that would kill him, it’s a pollutant.
Stay on topic, troll.
No one cares about your babbling about a subject you do not understand.
But I guess since you’ve been shut down as a birther for making ridiculous arguments and your more blatantly bigoted and racist incarnations get mauled to death, I guess climate change is all you can talk about now, isn’t it?
At least until the new marching orders come from your fascist masters.
But the topic here IS torture. And some might consider your drivel as such.
Just remember, the more CO2 that is released in the atmosphere the hotter the earth will become.
My bad, I meant to say the more CO2 thats released in the atmosphere the more extreme cold weather events we will have making it colder.
Oh forget it, just blame CO2 for everything.
Considering his origins, just put him outside, forget waterboarding. Freeze him with Mr. Freezee. This will help his burn to his wee wee. Oh wait cold can burn too.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
812 AM EST SAT JAN 2 2010
LONG TERM…CERTAINLY HAVE HAD BRIEF STINTS OF COLDER WEATHER AROUND
…BUT NOT SURE HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED SUCH A
LONG DURATION COLD SPELL WITH POTENTIALLY HARD AND
REGULAR FREEZES. IN FACT MEX GUIDANCE SUGGESTS ANOTHER STRONG HIGH
TO BUILD IN FROM THE NORTHWEST BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK WHICH
COULD ALLOW FOR CONTINUED BELOW FREEZING NIGHTS. PLAN VIEWS FROM THE
GFS SHOW ARCTIC HIGH MOVING SOUTH THROUGH LATE WED WITH A COLD FRONT
PUSHING THROUGH ON THU. PRECIP PROSPECTS LOOK LIMITED AT THIS POINT FOR THE SE
BUT BUFKIT SOUNDINGS SHOW PROFILE REMAINS NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING ALL
THE WAY UP THE COLUMN. STILL A LONG WAY OUT BUT JUST THE FACT MODELS
SHOW THIS WITH A PRE FRONTAL SYSTEM IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. EXTENDED GFS
RUN SHOWS NEXT ARCTIC HIGH MAY ACTUALLY SETTLE OVER THE REGION THIS
GO AROUND…WHICH WOULD LEAD TO EVEN COLDER TEMPS THAN WHAT IS ON TAP
FOR THIS WEEK.
In fact, most INDEPENDENT long range forecasters see no let up for the entire month of January from the 30 degree latitude for the Northern Hemi.
Just remember, the more CO2 that is released in the atmosphere the hotter the earth will become.
AY,
Still in the Twilight Zone. I’ll give you a call soon. Everything has gone sideways here and plans and decisions are being made. Family stuff. As far as ribs go, let me know if you want a beef rib or pork rib recipe. When I get back to the land of BBQ (and my cookbook), I’ll hook you up.
Buddha,
Fat Green Man. De Bdaman Troll handler. Whats up? You still in Long country or smakin ribs? If smakin rib hit me up with a great recipe. Heck just call.
First, as Twain said, there are lie, damn lies and statistics.
Secondly, if that is a good number (30/70 – which I doubt – maybe from poll taken from only FOX viewers it’s a good number, but that sample space has issues I guarantee)? Then the 70% that are happy about the idea of torturing this guy?
You DESERVE to loose your Constitutional Rights. All of them. And you will.
Why?
Because you are all too stupid to realize that by endorsing torture for ANYONE, you might as well be volunteering for it yourself.
You are also too stupid to realize that once you give up one freedom, like the freedom not to subject to cruel and unusual punishment, that the other freedoms like freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom to associate with whom you please will all be following along into the toilet bowl of fascism presently and with your help. It’s called a slippery slope for a reason.
Way to go, America!
Continue to dazzle the world with your force-fed ignorance about your own laws!
Here . . .
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
Now learn to both READ and UNDERSTAND.
Then maybe you’ll comprehend what Bush did and what Obama is willing to do to make themselves your Pharaoh. Because that’s what the fascists in both parties want: to be your absolute rulers. Well fuck them and anyone stupid enough to back them. And if you back torture for this guy? You ARE just that stupid and indeed promoting the fascist agenda.
Enjoy your shortsightedness, ethical retardation and hypocrisy. It’s paving the road to this being a slave state.
I’ll put on the popcorn.
I think that some people might consider waterboarding (unlike surfboarding) torture. Its all in the established morals. Feel free to state that its not torture and that John Wayne Gacey and Jeffrey Dalhmer were just misunderstood. If you can’t see that it is torture anyway you go about it then maybe China is your kinda of place. They see nothing wrong with it.
Hey, how about its the 1970’s and Nixon’s coming. Four dead in Ohio, how many more? This was probably acceptable to you as well?
rick g: “Real slick to change the terminology …”
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Waterboarding is torture.
He obviously wanted to blow himself up. Take him out to the salt flats, put him in a 55 gal. drum with a stick of dynamite, a koran, and a pack of Oscar Meyer weiners. Back off so nobody else gets hurt and light the damn fuse. No press, no publicity, he’s dead, and 70% of us are happy.
Of course not a single person said to torture him. 58% of the people said to waterboard him. Real slick to change the terminology and therefore the meaning of the poll.
jonolan: “and to punish…”
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That’s why we used to have an amendment that prohibited cruel and unusual punishment. What citizens as individuals want is often contrary what a civilized state should do to them and others.
No, “we” don’t want this person tortured. 30% of Americans are against it. It is disgraceful that so many Americans are NOT so blinded by rage that they are willing to abandon all sense of moral decency. What happened to being a good and moral nation, a beacon of light to the world?
Religious extremists see themselves as martyrs: torture only reinforces this for them. It’s not “punishment” in the long run–it reinforces their belief in the divine reward that is awaiting them.
How does torture “punish” him, or people like him? Abandoning our principles and resorting to fear-induced madness is precisely the goal of terrorists. This guy didn’t even succeed in igniting his bomb but he still wounded our nation.
Putting aside the moral repugnance of stooping to torture, this isn’t even one of those shady “the ends justify the means” arguments: torture is not an effective means of interrogation, and in fact was never intended to be effective by the people who designed these methods.
So what do we get from torture?
1) We disgrace ourselves and our nation
2) Religious martyrs feel vindicated
3) Terrorists succeed in their goals
4) Unreliable, useless information
TORTURE=EPIC FAIL
And your point is? Of course we want this filth tortured, both to extract the needed information from it and to punish it for endangering people in the course of its jihad.