Retired Lt. General Tom McInerney appeared on Fox News to offer his own proposal for making air travel safer: strip search all Muslim men between 18 and 28. That’s right, strip search every Muslim male at the airport.
Here is how the General explained how we need to “be very serious and harsh about the profiling:” “If you are an 18 to 28-year-old Muslim man then you should be strip searched. And if we don’t do that, there’s a very high probability we’re going to lose an airliner.”
I think that the General has the right thought but the wrong conclusion. What does every airline bomber have in common? Clothes. No clothes means by definition no shoe bombs, no underwear bombs, no explosive vests. People could appear naked at security points and be given those paper gowns used by hospitals.
Of course, Osama Bin Laden could still fly without stripping as would Richard Reid. It would delay things for such athletes as Ramzee Robinson (Cleveland Browns), Abdul Raheeda Hodge (Cincinnati Bengals), Usama Young (Saints), Husain Ibn Muhammed Abdullah (Minnesota Vikings), Kareem Brown (Jets), and others. Congressman Keith Maurice Ellison and Elias A. Zerhouni (Director of the NIH) made it over the line and can keep their clothes on.
“We said the exact same thing, yet Buddha personally attacked me but said nothing but friendly things to you. You did not see that as sexism in action, but that is exactly what it is.”
Jill,
Perhaps it’s how you said it. Your assumption that it was done because of your sex is just that, your assumption. You tend to assume a lot when you are criticized and it mostly devolves around how unfairly you feel you are being treated. To you being treated unfairly is directly proportional to someone criticizing your statements. That may be your equation, but that doesn’t make it right.
“That you would not level these same charges at JT as you would at me is an example of sexist behavior.”
This is another example of your selective reading. I actually responded to your charge back then and explained that a a “public advocate” JT’s role was to speak truth to power and thus different from yours as a poster. That was the difference and had nothing to do with your sex, except as your way of deflecting criticism. Since you bring up my being Jewish if you notice I am very sparing with calling people anti-Jewish when they disagree with me and I have never used my Jewishness as a means of deflecting criticism. You, however, bandy sexism about freely, mostly with little justification other than your own inability to take criticism and certainly to admit error when it is pointed out to you.
“I took a great deal of verbal abuse”
Disagreement with your points is not verbal abuse, nor have I abused you verbally. You broaden the definition to portray yourself as a victim, when in fact you are quite guilty of victimizing others with false characterizations when it suits your purposes. You really can’t have it both ways as much as you’d like to.
“I do not see you, a Jew, disavow such an ugly remark, as comparing me to a world roach. Why is that? Is it O.K. to say these things to a woman?”
How easy it is for you to characterize remarks as sexist, when the merely might be over the top criticism of another person. Let me give you a lesson in sexism which I have learned from the liberated women who I have known in my life. They demand to be treated as individuals, not as representatives of their sex. They engage in tough give and take without resorting to claiming sexist victimization where none exists. You Jill, not so much. You can dish it out with the best of us, but you can’t take it when your words are responded to and you fall back on claiming sexism.
“I will ask you, along with A.Y. and others to make direct, clear statements based in fact that do not contain hate speech.”
I do that exactly, but since you excel in making demands, I would make one of you. Stop playing the victim when it suits your purposes and stop playing the bully when you think you can get away with it. Your act is getting old and many who have defended you in the past have learned the hard lesson that you will turn on them when they don’t follow the Jill party line.
I don’t hate you Mr. Do Jo, who can kill with two fingers. No, not at all, I mean after all, you da boss, boss.
I just aint scared of you like the rest here. Because they to know you da boss, boss.
Psst . . . Your inferiority complex is showing.
Don’t hate me because I’m smarter than you, bdatroll. Hate me because I defend the Constitution you piss on every time you advocate torture.
Who needs wikipedia when you got Buddah.
The all knowing Buddah, believe everything he says and agree or else.
Nana Nana Boo Boo Mr. Bully Sunspot who thinks he’s a know it all.
He’s the boss hog don’t ya know.
Like what the evil troll has to say carries weight.
Don’t worry about it Jill, he’s just a bully. Even Lottakatz noticed. He spews it right, but mostly to the left.
People are getting sick of it.
Tootles,
That is a post both stunning in its bigotry and amazing in its impracticality and lack of utility.
We can’t stop illegal Mexicans from crossing the border. We can’t stop our nationals from traveling to “forbidden countries” from a third country that doesn’t give a damn about U.S. law. Even our allies think we are becoming a ridiculous police state and not complying with our “security” requests at airports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/european-airports-dont-ap_n_410325.html
If you think a serious terrorist must go through a passport check or airport security to get here?
Then you simply don’t know how the world works.
We just need to keep foreign Muslims out of the country.
How?
There should be a box checked on all Passports to the USA
Are you Muslim? ___Yes ___No
If this doesn’t work, just ban flights from countries with large majorities of Muslims.
What is most needed is for the USA to get OUT of the Middle East and leave these people alone.
Then the terrorism will die down.
good lord, I take one trip to the washroom and all hell breaks loose.
Jill,
You don’t tell me what to do. Got that? Well, you can try. No one has succeed yet. Patty tried that too. You saw how well that worked, didn’t you? And I’m going to apologize to Patty right now. Her faults notwithstanding, she was right about you. I should have let her continue to beat you over the head like she had been.
Disgusting? Disgusting is a grown woman who won’t own her mistakes.
Buddha,
You will get no apology from me for anything. I have done nothing wrong towards you. You have been quite disgusting in your treatment of me. It needs to cease immediately.
Mike S.,
I did provide you with an example of your sexism. The difference between Buddha’s response to your post and mine. We said the exact same thing, yet Buddha personally attacked me but said nothing but friendly things to you. You did not see that as sexism in action, but that is exactly what it is. I will also say that when JT agreed with me on a criticism of Obama and I said the exact same thing as JT, I was accused of all manner of traitorous things and psychological dysfunction, when in fact, I was speaking the truth and you didn’t want to hear about it. That you would not level these same charges at JT as you would at me is an example of sexist behavior. In other words, you felt free to attack me as a woman, just as Buddha did, in a way that you would not attack a man, JT. There are plenty of other examples. You say, you call them as you see them, yet I do not see you disavow A.Y.’s comments on my statements being caused by the moon. I do not see you, a Jew, disavow such an ugly remark, as comparing me to a world roach. Why is that? Is it O.K. to say these things to a woman?
I took a great deal of verbal abuse from you during the stage where it was nearly impossible to criticize Obama without being pilloried by you for doing so, no matter what facts I put before you. Your statement that I did not give you a reason for calling you sexist is inaccurate. It is why I cannot apologize to you for it. I wasn’t lying.
I will ask you, along with A.Y. and others to make direct, clear statements based in fact that do not contain hate speech.
Jill,
I’ve always had a low tolerance for bullshit from any source. This time is just happens to your bullshit. I submit you are not a true feminist. You are one of the “I can have my cake and eat it too” feminists. You’ve acted like an ass and are incapable of realizing it yet alone apologizing. You do realize that Mike and I are probably the least sexist people here? The closet things to allies you have? Apparently not. And that your attack on me WAS ON ME, not what I said or how I said it. As I stipulated, I may use sexist language from time to time for purposeful effect (which is always geared a humor – you know – that sense of yours that is impaired). That does not make ME a sexist. It makes you incapable of making the distinction.
At least I’m capable of apologizing properly. I have done it before here and when required. I own my mistakes. And over the way you’ve not only treated me with your charge of sexism, but Mike and SM as well? Why do you think I’d give a damn about your assessment of my actions let alone character? You can’t even apologize when wrong.
That takes a very small person, Jill. That’s the ajax of childishness. Own your mistakes and missteps. That’s what adults do.
You on the other hand, act like a child when people disagree with you. Come on! Throw a fit some more because you don’t want to apologize. How about laying on the floor kicking and screaming while you do it? Complete the picture you are painting of yourself as a spoiled child.
You are best advised to steer clear of me. Male, female, hermaphrodite, I don’t care. The salient reason you should avoid me is that you’re acting like an ass and I can turn almost anything you say against you should I so desire. See, that’s my speciality. I’m very very good at it. So unless you want this to escalate? Apologize properly. Or quit mentioning me. Don’t read my posts. You go play in your corner and I’ll go play in mine. Because if you keep screwing with me? I will respond. Equal treatment for all. I am for equality 100% – that means the good with the bad. See, that’s what you don’t get – you can’t be equal and protected or get special treatment at the same time. Equity, equal, equivalent . . . they all mean on par – the same quality. You want parity but only if you can be protected. Awwww. Isn’t that just so . . . hypocritical.
Let’s be clear. My problem with you isn’t that you are woman but that you are an unapologetic ass when wrong. No more, no less. That’s not a product of your sex. That’s a product of your character. You remember character, right? That thing by which I openly admit I judge people by?
I’m done with you. For now.
The next time you speak to me it had better be a real apology, not that half-assed stuff that I was perfectly willing to live with until now. In case you didn’t notice, I was telling AY to drop it earlier. Now the ball to drop is in your court. Play ball. Choices have consequences. Your choices are 1) leave me alone – period, 2) apologize properly or 3) escalate. I prefer the first two options as they comport with the Prof’s stated rule. But the choice is yours.
I hope that was clear enough for you.
Having been called a sexist by Jill two weeks ago and then with her failing to provide one instance of my “sexism” as I requested, I am well aware of her sting. While politically astute, at times Jill confuses disagreement with personal attacks. In honesty I had to write this, but I’m staying out of it because I’ve found from past instances that Jill plays the bully well.
“A.Y.
That is hate speech. Unacceptable hate speech. You need to stop, now.”
About 6 months ago FFLEO basically said he wouldn’t read my posts because of a dispute I had with Jill where I was supposedly attacking her. I believe he too was called a sexist a few weeks ago.
Patty went over the top in her critiques to the point that it was painful to read her. However, while Jill would never go to that length, or approach the vitriol that Patty did, she in her way acts similarly with those who would criticize her. That is my opinion and I’ll stick with it. I do not appreciate being called sexist, especially with no “proof” proffered. That too
is hate speech.
Wow sister, stop your hate filled speech to me.
Take a chill pill. Drink some water but settle down. I don’t want to get accused of cyber stalking you next.
You cannot admit it when you are wrong. Maybe Patty C saw something I missed. But then again she couldn’t apologize either.
I guess you can but refuse not to.
A.Y.,
You need to stop right now. You are engaging in cruelty and hatefulness. It is not acceptable.
Hate? What?
Since you seek redemption for my soul, have you apologized to Swartzmore mom?
Buddha? Mike S.? What is hateful about pointing out the obvious or the lack of the obvious? Maybe, I am just guilty of the same in a past and I can spot it. Can you?
What is this Hate Speech you speak of?
Isn’t calling someone a sexist and bigot Hate Speech?
A.Y.
That is hate speech. Unacceptable hate speech. You need to stop, now.