There is an interesting controversy brewing over the current version of the health care bill in which Amish families are exempted from the mandatory coverage. Other groups may also receive exemptions.
For some Americans who do not want to pay for health insurance (but face a fine under the law), the exemptions are likely to trigger challenges. Why should an Amish person be allowed exemption, but not someone with political or philosophical opposition to the insurance?
The Amish do use medical facilities and regular doctors, but they pay in cash. They believe that such care is the primary responsibility of their church.
The question is why religious conscientious objectors are given exemptions but not secular conscientious objectors. There are plenty of people who have profound objections to this plan that are not religious based. Is it far to allow only faith-based objectors to get exemptions so that some Christians can apply but not Cato members?
Congress can probably prevail in such distinctions (much like conscientious objectors to the draft), but it raises in my view a legitimate question of fairness.
For the story, click here.
I hope you are right B and the democratic turnout is high. Brown is pro torture.
Swarthmore mom:
it is too early to celebrate. too bad Brown is just another faux conservative and will be supported as the lessor of 2 wevils and not because he has a principled stance on much of anything.
It looks like bdaman is celebrating the election too early.
Bdaman,
by, buy they all look the same to you in your then present condition. Don’t you still agree?
buy
30%er says just print money to everything. It devalues the dollar. So what he says. So for every dollar you deposit in your bank account the less it becomes and the less it will by.
All based on theory.
Pinandpuller:
30%er sure stuck it to you with his “superior intellect”. You must be having an anxiety attack.
I worked in Riverton, Wyo. once as a roughneck for a local drilling company, hardest thing I ever did but it was a lot of fun and the people were all characters. We never talked politics but they were all very independent and self sufficient.
30%er:
“We cannot “Promote the General Welfare” if someone who’s hurt or injured cannot see a doctor.”
go get a dictionary from around 1820 and look at the definition of welfare, it basically means happiness. They were following the theme of the Declaration.
that is not what the founders meant. by that assumption we should provide food and housing and all of the necessities of life to keep a person healthy and fit.
It just isn’t so, no matter how much you may want it to be. I suggest you read Jefferson’s letter to a friend of his talking about how wrong it is to take from others. I would bet most of the founders would laugh themselves silly over the idea that the government owes individuals anything other than a chance to prosper and be secure from internal and external strife (the country).
ThirtyPercenter
“I figured as much. I post three references demonstrating they’re printing the money, something you mocked like a fool, and now you try to move the posts down the field to cover your shame”
When you’re in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging.
Your big plan is to print more money for health care.
I yield to your superior intelligence.
That and fifty million deutchie-markies will buy you a bandaid.
Just in case you want to correct me about currency please refer all inquiries to Eddie Izzard.
ThirtyPercenter
“It amazes me what great salesmen the right wing really are.”
“Imagine, taking a bunch of poor, illiterate struggling country bumpkins and getting them to actually go out and protest the idea of getting free health care in exchange for the taxes they already have to pay anyway.”
You know what amazes me? The cold-fusion health care machine mr independent invented. You put in tax money and you get more health care out than you paid for.
Phase 1: Collect Taxes
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Free Abundant Health Care!
‘But they did. They actually got these yokels out there with signs, teabags on their heads (imagine 50 years from now when some kid looking in their social studies book comes across a picture of one and says “mommy, why did the crazy lady with the tea bags on her head want to keep us from having health care?”) and guns on their hips to protest getting health care in exchange for their taxes.
Only in America, ay?”
Only in America would a guy like mr independent think that school kids will still be using books in 50 years.
“Seriously if any of you need a salesman, hire a republican.”
If you want a good lover don’t hire mr independent-he will sit on the edge of the bed and tell you how great it’s gonna be.
“They could sell cow crap to a dairy farmer.”
If you want to see what liberals can do to farmers see Wickard v. Filburn.
ThirtyPercenter
“And your “I just happened by” bullsh$t is better saved on someone with a brain as small as yours.”
I’m gonna send that along to Alex Jones-he’s looking for some co-bloggers. It will look really good in your portfolio.
Oh, and “Danger” is your middle name-right?
ThirtyPercenter
“I figured as much. I post three references demonstrating they’re printing the money, something you mocked like a fool, and now you try to move the posts down the field to cover your shame.
Well, won’t work.
There troll.
That takes care of your juvenile babbling about my statements on the fed printing the money.
“Now that you’re educated, and you know the fed is printing the money to pay for the wars, the bailout, the health care bill, etc..I can explain to you that since we’re printing it anyway, we might as well print a few dollars for the American people.”
I don’t support the fed paying for any of it. I think the fed should be abolished.
“We’re giving it to the military. Big corporations. The banks.
And now the insurance companies.”
Where have I supported giving it to any of them? You’re a regular Nancy Drew. No, Encyclopedia Brown…A-C.
“So why not give some to the American people to care for them when they’re sick or injured.
Seems like the least we could do.”
Well, as William Shatner used to say,
“FOR HOW LONG???
FOR…HOW…..LONG???
ThirtyPercenter
I don’t have cable or satellite.” Pinandpuller
“Trailer’s pretty far out there huh? Undeveloped land?”
Actually I’m living in a 30′ RV until my house sells back in Wyoming. I have internet access and Booksamillion so I’m quite content. And if it gets cold here I can wrap up in your “smug”.
“Well, keep your chin up. I’m sure things will turn around for you soon.”
Just waiting to hear about your ride to the airport.
ThirtyPercenter
“Apparently you have a different opinion of the definition of the word “OPTION”.
It’s what evil republican wall street bankers get-and hollywood producers-right?
ThirtyPercenter
“Govt: “You look sick now. Rather than wait till you’re 65 we’d like to go ahead and give you your medicare now so you live to see 65.”
Yeah-because going to a doctor guarantees that you live to 65.
Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin…didn’t go to doctors.
Wow-you were right mr independent!
“Ironlung Sally: “Don’t you dare try to give me health care…thats socialism…..hack hack…cough cough…”
Pull the trigger and prohibit tobbacco and alchohol mr independent. I think there’s something in the preamble but Nick Cage stole the original…
“Govt: “But Sally, you already pay taxes in exchange for services and benefits. We’re just saying we’ll give you one more service in exchange for the taxes you’re already paying””
Morphine?
“Ironlung Sally: “Nope…don’t want it…I like dying in my trailer here….cough cough…hack hack….”
I thought you didn’t support forcing things on free Americans, mr independent?
ThirtyPercenter
“Think about it. The very lunkheads in those tea parties are the same ones struggling to pay their medical bills, lol.”
That looks suspiciously like the friend of a friend story you were panning Byron about.
“Ole neocon Sally, the chain smoking truck stop waitress who’s liver and kidneys failed after 37 years of cheap malt liquor…. out there cheering on the idea of cheating herself out of the health care she needs to pay for her dialysis and transplant.”
You can start talking about rationing and “death panels” anytime now-because if you think that someone like that will get unfettered access to transplants and all that you need to go to Facebook right now and update your “fool” status.
“Out there with a sign saying “don’t you dare try to pay so I can see a doctor”. lol Too funny.
I suppose the upside is since they’ll succeed, maybe they’ll all die off an the gene pool will move up a notch.”
But if your side succeeds then these dysgenic mobs continue to reproduce.
ThirtyPercenter
“If Charlie Wrangell gave up one of his rent-controlled apartments ‘dat bum could die indoors.” – Pinandpuller
“Oh I’m sorry troll. Did you think I was a mindless partisan hack like yourself?”
If I’m mindless then why would I be thinking?
“I’m an independent.”
So when you sat down with Chris Hansen you told him that you like to keep your options open?
“I could give a sh$t what letters after a congressman or senators name.”
I believe the letter after Charlie Wrangell’s name was “g”. Your sh$t is duly noted.
“I care about what they do.”
I can see that.
“Like sending their puppets into blogs around the web to try to convince people to not vote to give themselves free health care as a benefit to paying taxes.”
I thought that we were going to print the money to pay for it. When do we vote for free health care-day after tommorow?
“And what’s funny is there’s enough idiots in this country for your message to work.”
It would work a lot better but I’m only one quarter German.
ThirtyPercenter
“I said nothing about royalty.”
It’s a way to make a point. Kind of like the bridge that all the European kids are jumping off of-get it?
I thought as the Blog-father you are to all us immature right-wing trolls you would get that.
“Free health care is a basic right according to the Pre Amble to our Constitution. We cannot “Promote the General Welfare” if someone who’s hurt or injured cannot see a doctor.”
I think your heat-tiles are really starting to come off mon ami.
The preamble accords no powers to the government.
Do you believe “In God We Trust” too?
Look-it says it right there———————>[Quarter].
“Being able to see a doctor when one is injured or ill is the core of their general welfare.”
No one who is hurt or injured can legally be turned away from an ER.
Now I’m no lawyer but a DC Court said in Warren v District of Columbia that it is a “,fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.”
That’s just lawyer-speak and not a founding father who couldn’t spell “defence” correctly so feel free to ignore it.
It amazes me what great salesmen the right wing really are.
Imagine, taking a bunch of poor, illiterate struggling country bumpkins and getting them to actually go out and protest the idea of getting free health care in exchange for the taxes they already have to pay anyway.
But they did. They actually got these yokels out there with signs, teabags on their heads (imagine 50 years from now when some kid looking in their social studies book comes across a picture of one and says “mommy, why did the crazy lady with the tea bags on her head want to keep us from having health care?”) and guns on their hips to protest getting health care in exchange for their taxes.
Only in America, ay?
Seriously if any of you need a salesman, hire a republican.
They could sell cow crap to a dairy farmer.
And your “I just happened by” bullsh$t is better saved on someone with a brain as small as yours.