There is an interesting controversy brewing over the current version of the health care bill in which Amish families are exempted from the mandatory coverage. Other groups may also receive exemptions.
For some Americans who do not want to pay for health insurance (but face a fine under the law), the exemptions are likely to trigger challenges. Why should an Amish person be allowed exemption, but not someone with political or philosophical opposition to the insurance?
The Amish do use medical facilities and regular doctors, but they pay in cash. They believe that such care is the primary responsibility of their church.
The question is why religious conscientious objectors are given exemptions but not secular conscientious objectors. There are plenty of people who have profound objections to this plan that are not religious based. Is it far to allow only faith-based objectors to get exemptions so that some Christians can apply but not Cato members?
Congress can probably prevail in such distinctions (much like conscientious objectors to the draft), but it raises in my view a legitimate question of fairness.
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I figured as much. I post three references demonstrating they’re printing the money, something you mocked like a fool, and now you try to move the posts down the field to cover your shame.
Well, won’t work.
There troll.
That takes care of your juvenile babbling about my statements on the fed printing the money.
Now that you’re educated, and you know the fed is printing the money to pay for the wars, the bailout, the health care bill, etc..I can explain to you that since we’re printing it anyway, we might as well print a few dollars for the American people.
We’re giving it to the military. Big corporations. The banks.
And now the insurance companies.
So why not give some to the American people to care for them when they’re sick or injured.
Seems like the least we could do.
ThirtyPercenter
“As for trying to convince I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. You’re the ones trolling this blog selling far right looney bin lies about health care in Europe.”
You. Lie.
Cite where I’ve done anything but ask you questions about your European adventures and offer to drive you to the airport.
I’ve been a reader here for awhile and a contributer only recently. I seem to remember a post the other day welcoming me.
“Your [troll-filing] means nothing.”
-Basil Fawlty
Obama orders treasury to print more money
December 9, 11:10 AM Tucson Investing Examiner Kerry Blount
“President Obama has ordered the US Treasury to speed up the process of printing money. The treasury has complied, and the presses are rolling full steam ahead printing staggering amounts of money.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-19536-Tucson-Investing-Examiner~y2009m12d9-Obama-orders-treasury-to-print-more-money
China alarmed by US money printing
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, in Cernobbio, Italy
Published: 9:06PM BST 06 Sep 2009
The US Federal Reserve’s policy of printing money to buy Treasury debt threatens to set off a serious decline of the dollar and compel China to redesign its foreign reserve policy, according to a top member of the Communist hierarchy.
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“If they keep printing money to buy bonds it will lead to inflation, and after a year or two the dollar will fall hard.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/6146957/China-alarmed-by-US-money-printing.html
” Federal Reserve’s move to print money shows perilous policy failure
* Michael Stutchbury, Economics editor
* From: The Australian
* March 20, 2009 12:00AM
IT’S an ominous day when the world’s economic superpower starts printing money to buy its own government’s debt.
“Who’s going to buy the bonds?” Paul Keating asked two weeks ago. Who would finance a US budget deficit forecast to swell to $US1.7 trillion ($2.5trillion) thisyear?
Now US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke has revealed part of the answer: the central bank itself will buy $US300 billion of US Treasury bonds and pay for them by electronically printing the money.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/printing-money-a-failure/story-e6frg6zo-1225689858523
ThirtyPercenter
“I find its best to speak to children in a language they understand.”
“Have a seat.”
-Chris Hansen
“Now you know where the money to fight these wars came from.”
“When the government declared war on povery Marcel Ledbetter came out with his hands up and said,’I surrender!’.”
-Jerry Clower
“And for the bailout.”
I’ve got nothing
“Now you know that they ordered the treasury to print it.”
“[Congress] is magic.”
Sarah Silverman
“I don’t have cable or satellite.” Pinandpuller
Trailer’s pretty far out there huh? Undeveloped land?
Well, keep your chin up. I’m sure things will turn around for you soon.
“I guess you have a different opinion of what every free American should be forced to do. At least we half-way agree for what it’s worth.” – Pinandpuller
No.
Apparently you have a different opinion of the definition of the word “OPTION”.
ThirtyPercenter
“The bills rotten because it doesn’t include a public option and it has a mandate forcing every free American to have to purchase a product from a privately held corporation.”
I guess you have a different opinion of what every free American should be forced to do. At least we half-way agree for what it’s worth.
“Just to exist.”
Some say prison health care is pretty good. I’m thinking of retiring there if they don’t work this out.
“The republicans crippled this bill out of the gate and the spineless democrats rolled over with barely a whimper.”
Yet the majority of your ire lands on the minority. When will people stop blaming minorities for all the problems in this country?
“If you are somehow ignorant of these facts then I suggest you research them. I have no need to. Its on the news every single day, 24 hours a day.”
I don’t have cable or satellite. I will let you know if it’s ever brought up on Malcom in the Middle or Judge Judy.
Govt: “You look sick now. Rather than wait till you’re 65 we’d like to go ahead and give you your medicare now so you live to see 65.”
Ironlung Sally: “Don’t you dare try to give me health care…thats socialism…..hack hack…cough cough…”
Govt: “But Sally, you already pay taxes in exchange for services and benefits. We’re just saying we’ll give you one more service in exchange for the taxes you’re already paying”
Ironlung Sally: “Nope…don’t want it…I like dying in my trailer here….cough cough…hack hack….”
Think about it. The very lunkheads in those tea parties are the same ones struggling to pay their medical bills, lol.
Ole neocon Sally, the chain smoking truck stop waitress who’s liver and kidneys failed after 37 years of cheap malt liquor…. out there cheering on the idea of cheating herself out of the health care she needs to pay for her dialysis and transplant.
Out there with a sign saying “don’t you dare try to pay so I can see a doctor”. lol Too funny.
I suppose the upside is since they’ll succeed, maybe they’ll all die off an the gene pool will move up a notch.
“If Charlie Wrangell gave up one of his rent-controlled apartments ‘dat bum could die indoors.” – Pinandpuller
Oh I’m sorry troll. Did you think I was a mindless partisan hack like yourself?
I’m an independent.
I could give a sh$t what letters after a congressman or senators name.
I care about what they do.
Like sending their puppets into blogs around the web to try to convince people to not vote to give themselves free health care as a benefit to paying taxes.
And what’s funny is there’s enough idiots in this country for your message to work.
“I frankly don’t care if royalty works in the EU or elswhere-it’s Unconstitutional here. Get it?” -Pinandpuller
So when your neocon lies collapse you turn to lies like your friends?
I said nothing about royalty.
No one even came close to saying anything about royalty.
Free health care is a basic right according to the Pre Amble to our Constitution. We cannot “Promote the General Welfare” if someone who’s hurt or injured cannot see a doctor.
Being able to see a doctor when one is injured or ill is the core of their general welfare.
ThirtyPercenter
“Let em rot. Who cares if a bum dies on the street right?”
If Charlie Wrangell gave up one of his rent-controlled apartments ‘dat bum could die indoors.
-No, you’re the one trying to convince Americans that it will work here, based on your experience as a young healthy person.
Did anything catastrophic happen to you or your mates such as cancer, crisis pregnancy, kidney or liver failure? –
I was in the hospital several times (I used to do some dangerous sports) and I have no complaints about the treatment I received. Especially when I didn’t get a bill.
Can’t do that here.
As for trying to convince I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. You’re the ones trolling this blog selling far right looney bin lies about health care in Europe.
I’m just setting you straight.
ThirtyPercenter
“…I’m not the one trying to convince people that national health care doesn’t work in the EU or elsewhere.”
No, you’re the one trying to convince Americans that it will work here, based on your experience as a young healthy person.
Did anything catastrophic happen to you or your mates such as cancer, crisis pregnancy, kidney or liver failure?
You do make a point about some people being bankrupted but I would rather be treated, BK and alive.
I frankly don’t care if royalty works in the EU or elswhere-it’s Unconstitutional here. Get it?
I find its best to speak to children in a language they understand. Glad it worked for you.
Now you know where the money to fight these wars came from.
And for the bailout.
Now you know that they ordered the treasury to print it.
When asked where the money to pay for his new purchases, 30%er says “We’ll just print it”.
Why didn’t I think of that?
I’ll admit it was a better answer than “I’ll get mommy and daddy to give it to me”, but not much better.
The bills rotten because it doesn’t include a public option and it has a mandate forcing every free American to have to purchase a product from a privately held corporation.
Just to exist.
The republicans crippled this bill out of the gate and the spineless democrats rolled over with barely a whimper.
If you are somehow ignorant of these facts then I suggest you research them. I have no need to. Its on the news every single day, 24 hours a day.
ThirtyPercenter
Who had 60 votes in the Senate and 225(?) in the House? I’m sorry, all my skillets are aluminum.
At what point were Pelosi and Reid strong-armed by the minority?
If it’s such a ruined bill then why is there discussion about denying Brown his seat (if he wins)in order to deny his filibuster-busting vote so that this bill can be passed?
Rosebud???
I’d like some citations re “they were the ones who put the bad parts in, like mandatory coverage and no public option” if you aren’t too busy packing your steamer trunks and checking Expedia.