Al Sharpton is the gift that keep on giving for conservatives. His comment on CNN on socialism is likely to make the top hits for political commercials in the mid-term elections. Sharpton said “The American Public Overwhelmingly Voted for Socialism When They Elected President Obama.”
With lines like this, Sharpton may be the featured speaker at next year’s Tea Party convention.
Tootie:
what you are arguing is which smells worse, horse shit, dog shit or pig shit. They all smell like shit but of the three I’ll take horse shit if I have to take any.
Tootie: ESPN reports*
uh no, ESPN reported no such thing, it was an opinion piece written by a colunmist
Here is the ESPN statement:
“ESPNOutdoors.com inadvertently contributed to a flare-up Tuesday when we posted the latest piece in a series of stories on President Barack Obama’s newly created Ocean Policy Task Force, a column written by Robert Montgomery, a conservation writer for BASS since 1985.
Regrettably, we made several errors in the editing and presentation of this installment. Though our series has included numerous news stories on the topic, this was not one of those — it was an opinion piece, and should clearly have been labeled as commentary.
And while our series overall has examined several sides of the topic, this particular column was not properly balanced and failed to represent contrary points of view. We have reached out to people on every side of the issue and reported their points of view — if they chose to respond — throughout the series, but failed to do so in this specific column.”
here’s more
http://www.examiner.com/x-37128-Charlotte-Fishing-Examiner~y2010m3d11-Obama-fishing-ban-story-spread-by-Glenn-Beck-ESPN-needs-to-fire-Robert-Montgomery
Buddha Is Laughing: I saw a documentary on WWII once…
I remember that interview
that was also a line delivered by Col Hessler(Robert Shaw) in The Battle of the Bulge
Edit:
“…said the main difference between the two was globalism…”
and
“…Fascism isn’t Marxism…”
Tootie,
Actually you said that the main difference between the two was nationalism:
“Fascism is the local application of Marxism for “the nation”. Straight up Marxism is global for “the worker”.”
“Fascism is the version of Marxism that stays at the local level.”
“This is the main difference between fascism and Marxism. One is nationalist (fascism) one is globalist (Marxism). ”
Please read the quote, it’s Mussolini spelling out three major differences between Socialist and Fascist philosophy none of which involve nationalism.
So no, Nationalism isn’t Marxism without the globalism.
gyges: I already said that there was difference between fascism and Marxism.
That doesn’t change the fact that both are collectivist.
Sorry you had to go to all that trouble when I already told you there was difference. It is like there is a difference between a man and woman but both are humans.
Oh yeah…in addition to the fascist take over of home loans, college loans, education, and health, the fascist take over of the food supply (using the health care heist as a means to that end) has already begun in earnest.
“Even as Michelle Obama plants a White House garden and encourages Americans everywhere to do the same thing, her husband is creating a brand new tool for the Big Business/Big Government powerbrokers: a new “Food Safety Administration” (FSA)…
…At the same time, Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) has introduced H.R. 875 to “protect the public health.” But it is not the public health that Ms. DeLauro wants to protect. It is the health of the demonic duo of Big Business and Big Government. Two other bills with similar machinations are S. 425, introduced by Senator Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), and H.R. 815, submitted by Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colorado).
In a nutshell, when these bills become law, every homegrown garden in the country will be regulated, inspected, controlled, and taxed by the federal government. (No, I am not making it up.) In addition, small, independent farms would most certainly be put out of business. In effect, the great Nanny State is posturing itself to completely take over the food business in America.” Chuck Baldwin, former presidential candidate for the Constitution Party.
Oh, and this:
ESPN reports*:
“The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation’s oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters…”
Marxist ALWAYS use famine to bring folks to their knees. They delight in this and are setting it up as we speak.
*
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/obamas-latest-assault-on-freedom-new-regulations-will-ban-sport-fishing/
Tootie,
Fascism is Marxism without the global overtones? Thanks for clearing up which part of the script it is.
Anyways, Mussolini would like a word with you (from The Doctrine of Fascism):
“The population policy of the regime is the consequence of these premises. The Fascist loves his neighbor, but the word neighbor “does not stand for some vague and unseizable conception. Love of one’s neighbor does not exclude necessary educational severity; still less does it exclude differentiation and rank. Fascism will have nothing to do with universal embraces; as a member of the community of nations it looks other peoples straight in the eyes; it is vigilant and on its guard; it follows others in all their manifestations and notes any changes in their interests; and it does not allow itself to be deceived by mutable and fallacious appearances.
Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism, the doctrine of historic materialism which would explain the history of mankind in terms of the class struggle and by changes in the processes and instruments of production, to the exclusion of all else.
That the vicissitudes of economic life – discoveries of raw materials, new technical processes, and scientific inventions – have their importance, no one denies; but that they suffice to explain human history to the exclusion of other factors is absurd. Fascism believes now and always in sanctity and heroism, that is to say in acts in which no economic motive – remote or immediate – is at work. Having denied historic materialism, which sees in men mere puppets on the surface of history, appearing and disappearing on the crest of the waves while in the depths the real directing forces move and work, Fascism also denies the immutable and irreparable character of the class struggle which is the natural outcome of this economic conception of history; above all it denies that the class struggle is the preponderating agent in social transformations. Having thus struck a blow at socialism in the two main points of its doctrine, all that remains of it is the sentimental aspiration-old as humanity itself-toward social relations in which the sufferings and sorrows of the humbler folk will be alleviated. But here again Fascism rejects the economic interpretation of felicity as something to be secured socialistically, almost automatically, at a given stage of economic evolution when all will be assured a maximum of material comfort. Fascism denies the materialistic conception of happiness as a possibility, and abandons it to the economists of the mid-eighteenth century. This means that Fascism denies the equation: well-being = happiness, which sees in men mere animals, content when they can feed and fatten, thus reducing them to a vegetative existence pure and simple.”
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
Tootie,
Care to back up that claim? The only mention of his opinion on Stalin that I’ve been able to find comes from an article describe (what are probably) Mussolini’s dairies, in which he supposedly
expresses a “seething” hatred of Stalin. The diaries may have been written post war though, so that’s to be expected.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/27/world/diary-excerpts-said-to-be-mussolini-s.html?pagewanted=1
rcampbell:
“Corporatism and socialism in today’s America
In more recent years, corporate interests have often cheered on big government programs, often the same ones championed by those who consider themselves anti-corporate. In the late 1990s, the now-defunct Enron was one of the largest lobbying influences behind the international Kyoto Treaty, which would have forced the world to comply with a ghastly web of new regulations and would have meant large energy contracts for Enron, had the company not gone bankrupt.” Anthony Gregory
That is how a fascist government takes over private business (crony capitalists are part of the take over).
This is exactly what is happening with the health-care heist. One of the largest health care corporations in America (HCA) (and the AMA) fully support the government take over of its own industry!
They are in bed together.
Fascism is the local application of Marxism for “the nation”. Straight up Marxism is global for “the worker”.
From the Roosevelt Myth by John Flynn:
“[Mussolini] organized each trade or industrial group or professional group into a state-supervised trade association. He called it a corporative. These corporatives operated under state supervision and could plan production, quality, prices, distribution, labor standards, etc. The NRA* provided that in America each industry should be organized into a federally supervised trade association. It was not called a corporative. It was called a Code Authority. But it was essentially the same thing. These code authorities could regulate production, quantities, qualities, prices, distribution methods, etc., under the supervision of the NRA. This was FASCISM.” [my emphasis]
*NRA: National Recovery Administration (which was ultimately ruled unconstitutional only after it destroyed peoples’livelihoods)
BIL: I don’t belong to any party.
And it was Aristotle who noted that the human race contained a large amount of “natural” slaves.
And I don’t believe human nature has changed much. And the clamor on the left for greater and greater government handouts is clear evidence that the natural born slave is alive and well in the modern world and America.
I’m for liberty, democrats loathe it, republicans aren’t sure.
BIL: If you support the Constitution, then I take it you realize that the health-care heist bill is unconstitutional? (as is social security, medicare, medicaid, and a whole host of other usurpations which the Marxists have concocted?)
Blah, blah, blah.
“Look, I realize that a large portion of the human race needs to be slaves. And I realize that all the leaders in the Democratic Party want to be slave drivers. But there are those of us who belong to neither party who want nothing of slavery and want to be left out of this neo-slave era in America.”
Paranoid partisan drivel is still paranoid drivel.
You want to be left out? Because your “party” isn’t in control? A party, which by the way, is directly responsible for starting an illegal war and deregulation of banks that lead to the mess we are in today?
No one is stopping you from leaving, sport.
I hear Saudi Arabia is nice this time of year.
by=my*
BIL:
So you don’t think that I face a risk of consuming bad things if there is no FDA?
How bizarre is that?
Bawk bawk, bawk, bawk, bawk…
Mommy save me I’m skeered to live and think on by own!
Gyges: Sorry. Stalin not Marx.
BIL: That government assaulted the small farm is my point and FDR was in charge of that that his programs are still hurting the little guy.
That said 90 percent of farms are not agri-business. Obama will have to change that!
You said in point #3:
“Hyperbolic horse shit. Here . . . let me clarify this for you. Communism is when the state controls ALL industry and there is no personal property.”
Let me correct your bat guano. Communism is not when the state controls all industry. (You got that wrong in your frothing effort to prove to me that you know about Marxism than I do).
Communism is when the people (workers and unions) control all industry (production/services) There is no ownership of private business by an individual nor the state.
And if you haven’t figured it out yet, this is the process Obama is setting in motion even though I believe he is setting it in motion only to destabilize the country in order to destroy the Constitution.
I call Obama a temporary Marxist because he is only using it as a means to kill the Constitution. He is using it as a means because he knows full well that the establisment of Marxism always destabilizes a country.
And my money IS my property and Obama redistribution of it to others is akin to the communist take over of property.
Look, I realize that a large portion of the human race needs to be slaves. And I realize that all the leaders in the Democratic Party want to be slave drivers. But there are those of us who belong to neither party who want nothing of slavery and want to be left out of this neo-slave era in America.
Thank heaven for nullification and secession.
Tootie,
Is the point where I have to quote the works of Mussolini as to what is and isn’t fascism? Or is it the point where you get egg on your face for claiming that Marx admired Mussolini? I get lost in your script sometimes.
Words have meanings. If you use a word that you don’t know the meaning for in front of people who do know the meaning, you run the risk of having those people think you shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Tootie,
You are just completely full of crap.
1)”We haven’t had unrestricted “capitalism” in the main since the civil war. It is screwy to think so. You can use the Marx’s term capitalism, I prefer free market.” You can “prefer” all you like but making up definitions to suit your propaganda troll needs is, what’s that? MAKING SHIT UP. FACT: We have lived in an economic climate of ever decreasing regulation since FDR and it is a headlong charge into fascism led the the GOP and their mantra of “de-regulation”.
2) Agri-business has killed what made this country able to stand on it’s own two feet in the first place: the family farm. Until the advent of WWII, agriculture in this country was largely a family endeavor. And an army travels on it’s stomach. I saw a documentary on WWII once (and I’ve seen so many I don’t recall the name). In it, a former Wehrmacht officer related the following tale. Upon being captured by the Americans during the Battle of the Bulge, he knew Germany was doomed. Why? Because one of the Americans had home-baked cookies that were still fresh and the German troops hadn’t seen supplies in weeks. It’s only since WWII that “Agri-business” arose to crush the family farms. And pump our children full of junk like high fructose corn syrup.
3) “You said socialism is merely a middle road. This is like saying rape is merely sexual activity.” Hyperbolic horse shit. Here . . . let me clarify this for you. Communism is when the state controls ALL industry and there is no personal property. Unregulated Capitalism is where there is no regulation of business at all – a state in which we are today for all intents and purposes – and is the lead up to fascism. See pre-WWII Italy for a perfect example (since your hero seems to be Mussolini). Socialism, however, is indeed the middle road because it allows private property and industry EXCEPT in areas that are critical to maintaining a healthy and robust society thats weakest links are as strong as they can be because the state prevents abuses by corporatist asshats. AGAIN: Socialism – the economic theory, when applied to political systems, is a system where the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles. Sounds an awful lot like regulated capitalism, now doesn’t it? Rhetorical. I know from previous experience you’ll just regurgitate more right wing GOP Neocon propaganda to justify the fascism taking place now in Washington and trying to assign blame for it to one party or the other. Partisan hackery is simply a distraction from the real issue and that issue is that corporations now have better access and more rights than citizens.
4) “The government now has a monopoly on education, and Obama is on a quest to secure even more federal control over it.” Oh really? I’m thinking all the local school boards and state colleges (and their administrative boards) would beg to differ. If the Federal government truly controlled education, we wouldn’t see stories like the ones coming out of Texas about revisionist history. You know – lies. That thing you like to pimp out as fact. And the government can create monopolies and they do under a socialist model – but the monopolies are state controlled. That’s not what the GOP advocates with “privatization”. They are advocating that individuals and corporations (with zero public accountability beyond a P/L statement) be given control over critical social support systems like Social Security. And there are other ways to create monopolies – just ask Bill Gates. He almost succeeded. It’s called “unfair anti-competitive business practices”. Like the GOP’s buddy, the oil cartel OPEC.
5) “Obama now needs to seize the food supply (the feds already have education (loans), housing (loans), and medicine (insurance)).” First – food (and drug) safety has been the purview of the FDA since its inception in 1927 when the . But it starts way before that. In 1848 when Congress passed the Drug Importation Act which tasked the US Customs Dept. to stop the importation of adulterated drugs from overseas. In 1862, under Lincoln, a chemist was appointed head of the Dept. of Agriculture. His name was Charles Wetherill. It was under his guidance that the Department of Chemistry was formed – the predecessor of the FDA. In 1883, another chemist, Dr. Harvey W. Wiley, was appointed to lead the Dept. of Chemistry’s study into adulterated foods. He is also known as the “Father of the Pure Food and Drugs Act” which was passed in 1906 along with the Meat Inspection Act under Teddy Roosevelt. In 1927, the Dept. of Chemistry is split into the Food, Drug, and Insecticide Administration (responsible for regulation) and the Bureau of Chemistry and Soils (responsible for research). In 1930, the name was shortened to FDA. When the FDA tries to update the then obsolete Food and Drug Act of 1906, it is met by stiff competition by industry. But in 1937, 107 people died from ingesting diethylene glycol (an ingredient of modern anti-freeze). Many of the dead are children as the diethylene glycol was in a patent medicine. This leads to the passage by Congress in 1938 of the The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic (FDC) Act. Since then the FDA prevented many deaths by containing the use of pesticides (like the carcinogenic aminotriazole in 1959) and poorly studied drugs (like the birth defect inducing Thalidomide in 1962). The government has a long history of trying to keep poisons out of our food and drugs. So, unless Obama can time travel? You’re just full of it, sport.
5) “Obama(and his wife) are busily working towards that goal by advocating command and control power over what we eat by virtue of the power seized with the health care heist.” Paranoid much? But please, tell us how regulating another chemical like high fructose corn syrup is an affront to liberty.
6) “It goes something like this: it will be criminal activity to be obese since it causes diseases which are costly for the state. Therefore there will be a race for wholesome foods to avoid criminal activity. The food supply is not now prepared to accommodate this race. A few eggs must be cracked. Thus: destabilization of the food supply or the threat thereof.
The health care heist will destabilize the food supply and the government will ride in on a white horse and save us from the chaos it created because it tampered with it in first place.”
Pure paranoid drivel not worth addressing.
7) “It is just like how the government created the housing bubble, thereby destabilizing the whole economy because government cannot run the housing loan industry, and then rode in on a white horse to save (not the little guy who lost his house) but the banks the government gave the power of monopoly to!” Let’s ignore the fact that is was banking deregulation led by the GOP that allowed banks to make these unsafe loans in the first place. You mistake cause and effect once again.
8) The last line is pure trollish partisan hackery. And you should know by now that I could give a rat’s ass about either party. My loyalty is to the Constitution and the DOI – nothing else.
So, in conclusion, you’re a pantload.
I’ll let Mike A. tear you apart for his response to your inanity and insanity. Seriously, you should talk to someone about that paranoia. It’ll get ya!