Selfish or Sociopath, Does It Make a Difference?

Submitted By: Mike Spindell, Guest Blogger

In recent years many studies have come out  that have made the case that a high proportion of CEO’s of major companies are sociopaths. At the end of this blog I’ll provide a number of links that discuss this, some from major conservative business magazines. We do know that from 1% to 3% of humans are sociopaths sharing all of these 10 characteristics:

#1) Sociopaths are charming. #2) Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. #3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. #4) Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. #5) Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. #6) Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent #7) Sociopaths are incapable of love #8) Sociopaths speak poetically. #9) Sociopaths never apologize. #10) Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth.” http://www.naturalnews.com/036112_sociopaths_cults_influence.html

495px-Donald_Trump_by_Gage_SkidmorePaul_Ryan--113th_Congress--Mitt_Romney_by_Gage_Skidmore_7Now the problem with the definition of Sociopathy is that there can be a good deal of subjectivity in making the diagnosis, absent a clinician interviewing the subject. After all many people are charming, spontaneous, invent lies, try to dominate others and speak “poetically” and that doesn’t make them sociopaths. The subjectivity comes in trying to determine whether a given person is incapable of feeling guilt, shame, remorse and is delusional. A trained clinician may be able to do this via an intensive interview, but the nature of this disorder is such that even a trained clinician can be fooled by a sociopath. Rather than argue back and forth about the negative effects of CEO sociopaths on this society as the root of so much dysfunction, my readings this week suggest another theory that would provide a simpler explanation of why it seems that so many in this country have so little compassion and empathy for the less fortunate among us. We need not deem them sociopaths, but people who are simply removed from the misery that they inflict. The apocryphal story of Marie Antoinette’s “let them eat cake” may well characterize those who control most of this country’s wealth. It may be why some are sincere philanthropists, yet show such disdain and lack a sense of responsibility for the suffering that they cause. Let’s explore this further.

“Scrooge has come early this year. We’re kicking our Tiny Tim’s. This holiday season, kids in America’s poorest families are going to have less to eat. November 1 brought $5 billion in new cuts to the nation’s food stamp program, now officially known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP.

Poor families will lose on average 7 percent of their food aid, calculates the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. A mother with two kids will lose $319 over the rest of the current federal fiscal year. The cuts could cost some families a week’s worth of meals a month, says the chief at America’s largest food bank. More cuts are looming. A U.S. House of Representatives majority is demanding an additional $39 billion in “savings” over the next decade. Ohio and a host of other states, in the meantime, are moving to limit food stamp eligibility.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Are-Heartless-People-Simpl-by-Sam-Pizzigati-Greed_Teaparty-Teapartiers-131104-969.html

The author Sam Pizzigati, writing at http://www.opednews.com , goes on to enumerate some of the actions being taken that will hurt parts the of  the American people that are least able to defend themselves against the depredations of poverty and hunger. This country which is so fond of creating metaphoric wars against objects of perceived fear like “Drugs” and “Terror”, has also had metaphorical “Wars” declared against “Poverty” and “Hunger”.  The latter died due to the entanglement in Viet Nam monopolizing government funds. The paradigm this era’s “War on Something” may actually have been transformed in a “War for Something,” because what it seems we now have is a “War for Poverty” and a “War For Hunger”. Some examples:

“Today’s brazen heartlessness toward America’s most vulnerable actually goes far deeper than food stamp cuts, as a new Economic Policy Institute report released last week documents in rather chilling detail.

Four states, the report notes, have “lifted restrictions on child labor.” In Wisconsin, state law used to limit 16- and 17-year-olds to no more than five hours of work a day on school days. The new law erases these limits.

Other states are cutting back on protections for low-wage workers of all ages. Earlier this year, the new EPI survey relates, Mississippi adopted a law that bans cities and counties in the state “from adopting any minimum wage, living wage, or paid or unpaid sick leave rights for local workers.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-Heartless-People-Simpl-by-Sam-Pizzigati-Greed_Teaparty-Teapartiers-131104-969.html

There are those of course representing a particular conservative mindset, that would argue that ending “child labor restrictions” are actually a good thing, because they allow children in poverty to rise above their situation through work. The history of child labor in this country would give lie to this. The impetus for passing these laws that  defenestrate “child labor restrictions”, comes from companies paying the minimum wage, or less, to people who are looking for any kind of job. The young are seen as a source of  pliable,cheap labor that can be easier controlled and made more fearful. Unless one is quite extraordinary, being stuck at the minimum wage, or less, ensures rather than provides an escape from poverty. We of course have those “lift themselves up from their bootstraps” types like former Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan, who used himself as an example of this because he worked in a McDonald’s after his father’s death. He didn’t elaborate though that he came from the wealthiest family in his home town and that his father’s estate provided more than ample sustenance. Considering that after graduation from College Ryan was secured a job in the office of Wisconsin’s U.S. Senator and from then on has always worked either in government or for Conservative lobbying organizations, the congressman has done very little “bootstrap pulling and much string pulling to get work. Very few people “lift themselves up by their bootstraps” and those few exceptions do prove that rule.

The “War for Poverty”, as I like to call it, doesn’t only affect children and teenagers. Its cost cutting howitzers are also trained upon this nation’s elderly:

“The sick and elderly aren’t faring all that well either. In Arizona, the governor proposed a health-insurance cutoff that would have tripped some patients up right in the middle of their chemotherapy. Texas is considering Medicaid cuts that could end up closing 850 of the state’s 1,000 nursing homes.”

It seems we have reached a point in America where the notion of a community of citizens, bound by common destinies has been replaced by an “everyone for themselves” attitude, that is inexplicably endorsed heartily by all too many supposedly “devout Christians.” They have made the notion of “Christian Charity” a relic of the past.  As with Mr. Ryan our new Deities have become Ayn Rand and Gordon Gekko. For someone of my age, whose parents became adults during the “Great Depression”, this is not the America I grew up in, or at least not the image of America that was fostered during that “Depression”, and during and after World War II. The 2010 elections seem to have seemed to accelerated the process of our nation becoming one that extols selfishness and rewards greed.

“America’s current surge of mean-spiritedness, observes Gordon Lafer, the University of Oregon author of the EPI study, essentially erupted right after the 2010 elections. In 11 states, those elections gave right-wingers “new monopoly control” over the governor’s mansion and both legislative houses.

Lafer links this right-wing electoral triumph directly to growing inequality. A widening income gap, he explains, “has produced a critical mass of extremely wealthy businesspeople, many of whom are politically conservative,” and various recent court cases have given these wealthy a green light to spend virtually unlimited sums on their favored political candidates.

This spending has, in turn, raised campaign costs for all political hopefuls — and left pols even more dependent on deep-pocket campaign contributions.

But America’s new heartlessness reflects much more than this turbocharged political power of America’s rich. An insensitivity toward the problems poor people face, researchers have shown, reflects a deeper psychological shift that extreme inequality makes all but inevitable.

The wider a society’s economic divide, as Demos think tank analyst Sean McElwee noted last week, the less empathy on the part of the rich and the powerful toward the poor and the weak. In a starkly unequal society, people of more than ample means “rarely brush shoulders” with people of little advantage. These rich don’t see the poor. They stereotype them — as lazy and unworthy.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-Heartless-People-Simpl-by-Sam-Pizzigati-Greed_Teaparty-Teapartiers-131104-969.html

It is a closed circle that is driving and justifying the ever widening economic divide in this country. The wealthy elite never see the poor and the disadvantaged in this country. They are separated from them by their wealth and because of that, only are able to view them through the lens of self serving abstractions. They are catered to by armies of servants who of necessity treat them obsequiously for fear of their jobs. When one lives a life of pampered privilege it becomes difficult to understand why, or how, people live otherwise. One who is to the manor born naturally grows up with a sense of entitlement and many of our American religious leaders cater to that assuring them that God has bestowed blessings upon them since they are worthy. Conversely, of course, those who live in poverty and deprivation must deserve their fate and their state must be also ordained by God.

Forgetting for a moment the politics involved, didn’t we see just that in Mitt Romney’s run for the President. From what I’ve seen of the man, I don’t believe that Mitt is a sociopath. I believe he genuinely loves his wife and family. I believe he has feelings for his religion and feelings for his friends. I believe that even in some abstract way he cares for the plight of those less fortunate. Mitt though, can serve as the poster boy for those elite who are driving this new American attitude and by his own uttering’s he reveals how his attitudes arose. Romney was born into the “royalty” of the Church of the Latter Day Saints (LDS) and thus from his first realization of life was a privileged person. His father George, a successful Automobile Executive was a very rich and very doting father. Mitt and his wife to make themselves seem more like average American’s discussed with no iron their “struggles” when he was in school and had to “only” live off of his stock portfolio. Rich people hate to live of the principal. His father of course paid for his education. After school his father gave him $10 million to buy into Bain Capital and from there his fortune grew and grew, convincing him that through hard work “anyone” can make it in America. Can we really blame Mr. Romney for his disdain for the 47% of Americans who are not “producers” like himself? Isn’t it obvious that when Romney gave advice to young “men” starting out as entrepreneurs to “borrow” $20,000 from their fathers and start their business, that he sincerely believed this a viable option for most Americans? If we extrapolate Romney’s attitudes to a whole class of the American elite, Koch Brothers anyone, we can see that one doesn’t have to be a sociopath to respond as a sociopath towards those less fortunate.

Now to be fair I know and have known people who started in life with very little and have built wonderful careers and became wealthy via their own efforts. Having become successful on their own, they have little sympathy for others who are not able to rise above their own poverty. I may not agree with their social views, but they are good people and their success was hard won, so they’re my friends nonetheless. Conversely, I also know and have known people who have inherited businesses from their parents and were quite successful in managing/expanding it. Many of these are quite concerned about the conditions of those less fortunate and act upon their sympathies. The reality is that among my friendships and acquaintances there is no one that even rises to the level of wealth had by Romney, the Koch’s, the Walton’s, the Mellon’s, the Scaife’s. People such as these live in a totally different and inaccessible world to me and to most of the people I’ve known in my life. These people representing a small percentage of American wealth and privilege have been the driving forces behind today’s “War On Poverty”.

‘Defenders of inequality typically do their musings at a high, fact-free level of abstraction. CNN columnist John Sutter last week brought America down to inequality’s ground level, with a remarkably moving and insightful look at the most unequal county in the United States, East Carroll Parish in Louisiana.

In East Carroll, the rich live north of Lake Providence, the poor south. The two groups seldom interact. East Carroll’s most affluent 5 percent average $611,000 a year, 90 times the $6,800 incomes the poorest fifth of the parish average. Such wide income gaps, Sutter shows, invite “gaps in empathy.”

“Looking across Lake Providence from the north,” as he puts it, “can warp a person’s vision.”

One example of this warped vision: East Carroll’s rich see food stamps as an “entitlement” that rots poor people’s incentive to work. Yet these same affluent annually pocket enormously generous farm subsidies. In 2010, East Carroll’s most highly subsidized farmer grabbed $655,000 from one federal subsidy alone. The average food stamp payout in the parish: $1,492 per person per year.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-Heartless-People-Simpl-by-Sam-Pizzigati-Greed_Teaparty-Teapartiers-131104-969.html 

East Carroll Parish in Louisiana is a microcosm of the conditions throughout our country. We see those that consider themselves the “producer” in this country missing totally the point of how they have had their own form of entitlement, in this instance farm subsidies, which as most students of politics know have become almost impossible to eliminate even though the bulk of the subsidies go to our huge Agri-Business industry. Providing a complement to Mr. Pizzigati’s article was another one that I read this week at http://www.opednews.com  by Paul Bucheit which was titled: “How the Supperich Are Abandoning America”

“As they accumulate more and more wealth, the very rich have less need for society. At the same time, they’ve convinced themselves that they made it on their own, and that contributing to societal needs is unfair to them. There is ample evidence that this small group of takers is giving up on the country that made it possible for them to build huge fortunes.

They’ve Taken $25 Trillion of New Wealth While Paying Less Taxes

The 2013 Global Wealth Databook shows that U.S. wealth has increased from $47 trillion in 2008 to $72 trillion in mid-2013. But according to U.S. Government Revenue figures, federal income taxes have gone DOWN from 2008 to 2012. Even worse, corporations cut their tax rate in half.

American society has gained nothing from its massive wealth expansion. There’s no wealth tax, no financial transaction tax, no way to ensure that infrastructure and public education are supported. Just how much have the super-rich taken over the past five years? Each of the elite 5% — the richest 12 million Americans — gained, on average, nearly a million dollars in financial wealth between 2008 and 2013. http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-Super-Rich-Are-Aba-by-Paul-Buchheit-Billionaires_Capitalism_Greed_Wealthy-131104-612.html

There is literally so much supporting material for the fact that the economic fortunes of the wealthiest American’s have grown exponentially since the beginning of our new century that all one has to do is Google it. At the same time there has been this unprecedented growth in wealth, those who most benefitted from it have paid less and less taxes, while deriving benefits from government programs such as the “oil subsidy”.  In the 50’s and 60’s when only the affluent could really afford to fly the term “Jet Setter” developed for those who were wealthy enough to travel to Europe, or Bali, on a whim. There developed a culture of those people who lived their lives bathed in sybaritic luxury and could nonchalantly suggest to their friends to meet them in Paris for the weekend. As the separation of Americans on the basis of wealth has grown the “Jet Set” has become what is really the “Expatriate Set” who have homes all over the world and indeed consider themselves to be “Citizen’s of the World” rather than just plain Americans. Is it any wonder than that when they deign to even think of those less fortunate then themselves? Many of those thoughts are laden with disdain against those “unwashed masses” many of who they would see as readers of this blog.

“For the First Time in History, They Believe They Don’t Need the Rest of Us: The rich have always needed the middle class to work in their factories and buy their products. With globalization this is no longer true. Their factories can be in China, producing goods for people in India or Europe or anywhere else in the world.

They don’t need our infrastructure for their yachts and helicopters and submarines. They pay for private schools for their kids, private security for their homes. They have private emergency rooms to avoid the health care hassle. All they need is an assortment of servants, who might be guest workers coming to America on H2B visas, willing to work for less than a middle-class American can afford.

The sentiment is spreading from the super-rich to the merely rich. In 2005 Sandy Springs, a wealthy suburb of Atlanta, stopped paying for most public services, deciding instead to avoid subsidizing poorer residents of Fulton County by hiring a “city outsourcer” called CH2M to manage everything except the police and fire departments. That includes paving the roads, running the courts, issuing tickets, handling waste, and various other public services. Several other towns followed suit.

Results have been mixed, with some of CH2M’s clients backing out or renegotiating. But privatization keeps coming at us. Selective decisions about public services threaten to worsen already destitute conditions for many communities. Detroit, of course, is at the forefront. According to an Urban Land Institute report, “more municipalities may follow Detroit’s example and abandon services in certain districts.”

As this year draws to a close we again see a battle shaping up in Congress, led by the “Tea Party” controlled House over cutting both Social Security and Medicare. The conservative propaganda machine abetted by a corporate media has turned these programs into “Entitlements”, when they are really insurance funds. Not one of those in Congress trying to choke off these programs will ever have to rely upon them in their old age, nor will the corporate sponsors, of which most of our Congress people have become “wholly-owned subsidiaries.”

“They Soaked the Middle Class, and Now Demand Cuts in the Middle-Class Retirement Fund. The richest Americans take the greatest share of over $2 trillion in Tax Expenditures, Tax Underpayments, Tax Haven holdings, and unpaid Corporate Taxes. The Social Security budget is less than half of that. Yet much of Congress and many other wealthy Americans think it should be cut. These are the same people who deprive the American public of $300 billion a year by not paying their full share of the payroll tax.”

However, those clamoring for these cuts among the elite believe they are justified in paying less taxes because they “made it on their own” and this reflects a false, self-serving view of the historical realities:

“They Continue to Insist that They “Made It on Their Own”. They didn’t. Their fortunes derived in varying degrees – usually big degrees – from public funding, which provided almost half of basic research funds into the 1980s, and even today supports about 60 percent of the research performed at universities.

Businesses rely on roads and seaports and airports to ship their products, the FAA and TSA and Coast Guard and Department of Transportation to safeguard them, a nationwide energy grid to power their factories, communications towers and satellites to conduct online business, the Department of Commerce to promote and safeguard global markets, the U.S. Navy to monitor shipping lanes, and FEMA to clean up after them.

Apple, the tax haven specialist, still does most of its product and research development in the United States, with US-educated engineers and computer scientists. Google’s business is based on the Internet, which started as ARPANET, the Defense Department’s Advanced Research Projects Agency computer network from the 1960s. The National Science Foundation funded the Digital Library Initiative research at Stanford University that was adopted as the Google model. Microsoft was started by our richest American, Bill Gates, whose success derived at least in part by taking the work of competitors and adapting it as his own. Same with Steve Jobs, who admitted: “We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.”

Companies like Pfizer and Merck have relied on basic research performed at the National Institute of Health. A Congressional Budget Office study reminds us that The primary rationale for the government to play a role in basic research is that private companies perform too little such research themselves (relative to what is best for society).”

What we see now is a world where businesses and the wealthy that own them, consider themselves multi-national, which means they are untied to any government and owe no government their allegiance. What goes unmentioned though, as expanded upon above, is that the source of wealth for many of our “elite” and the corporations they control is in our case the American government which they’ve captured. The same America that had to bail out the banks and Wall Street from the results of their own excesses and the same country that goes to war to protect their private oil interests.

As a Final Insult, Many of Them Desert the Country that Made Them Rich: Many of the beneficiaries of American research and technology have abandoned their country because of taxes. Like multinational companies that rationalize the move by claiming to be citizens of the world, almost 2,000 Americans, and perhaps up to 8,000, have left their responsibilities behind for more favorable tax climates.

The most egregious example is Eduardo Saverin, who found safe refuge in the U.S. after his family was threatened in Brazil, landed Mark Zuckerberg as a roommate at Harvard, benefited from American technology to make billions from his 4% share in Facebook, and then skipped out on his tax bill. http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/How-the-Super-Rich-Are-Aba-by-Paul-Buchheit-Billionaires_Capitalism_Greed_Wealthy-131104-612.html My thanks for this article go to commondreams.org.

The some of the Elite of this country, whether inherited, or self-made believe that the rest of us exist merely as appendages for their comfort. They view the great mass of us with disdain. Their world-view is self-serving and self soothing and from my perspective they are entitled to believe anything they choose to believe. What they are not entitled to in my opinion is to play a being “Robin Hood” in reverse. They have taken and taken from the American people, they control our government and this need to stop. I’m neither a socialist, a communist, nor a fascist. I don’t believe in an enforced equality of wealth in society. What I do believe in is a society that treats everyone equally before the law. I believe in a society that is empathic towards all of its members. I believe in a society that cares for, nurtures and protects all of us. Perhaps I am a Utopian at heart in my beliefs. Whatever I am though, my anger at the way this country is being stolen from its citizens by powerful people who take but never give, is great. You all can have plenty of money and still take care of your responsibilities to society as a whole. That is why I suspect something more is afoot. Our corporatist elite has the money and has the control, what they seem to really want it to have the total subservience of all who they think themselves the better person. This is not necessarily a sociopathic disorder, but the difference between these points of view and sociopathy is so minimal as to be ignored.

Submitted By: Mike Spindell, Guest Blogger.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Are-Heartless-People-Simpl-by-Sam-Pizzigati-Greed_Teaparty-Teapartiers-131104-969.html

http://www.opednews.com/articles/How-the-Super-Rich-Are-Aba-by-Paul-Buchheit-Billionaires_Capitalism_Greed_Wealthy-131104-612.html

Articles on CEO’s being sociopaths:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2011/06/14/why-some-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/

http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/98184-some-ceos-sociopaths.html

http://www.sott.net/article/261942-One-terrorist-a-million-psychopaths-eight-million-sociopaths

http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2011-07-20/etc_stack31__01__popup.jpg

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/08/as-many-as-12-million-americans-are-sociopaths.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/profiling-ceos-and-their_b_245373.html

 

155 thoughts on “Selfish or Sociopath, Does It Make a Difference?”

  1. @Tony – Also calling yourself a liberal does not tell me much about you. It is an adjective or adverb that modern society has turned or changed into a noun without a “specific” definition. Same as conservative. There is such a wide degree of beliefs between liberals, as with conservatives, that it is almost a useless term. You need to tell me if you are a communist, socialist or fascist which I believe are the prominent “statist” positions. I would like to know how much you embrace private property rights and when your are willing or not to acquiesce your rights for the public good.

  2. Skip: Socialism and Communism are not the same thing. You are right, Communism will never work. You are wrong, socialism works great and has been going strong for quite some time. Socialist countries are the happiest on Earth, they are the best educated on Earth, they are the healthiest on Earth, and they have higher GDPs than the USA.

    Your definition of “not working” is not working correctly.

    1. Socialism and communism are a lot more similar than most think, often times embracing many of the same policies and principles, like public education, central banking, regulation of communications, transportation, socialized medicine and ownership of prominent industries like energy. I am writing a paper on this very issue, 7 pages thus far and growing, that I would like to bounce off you guys once I’m done.

      One needs to be very careful when using the short term results of political policies, especially when running up deficits that place the liabilities on the future. A 30 year snapshot of a society may not be sufficient for showing how well a society is doing or it’s long term future, as some of the negative ramification of it’s current policy are being ignored or hidden. As Wikileaks and many whistleblowers are showing us in our society, government has long hidden many of the mistakes and corruption even going to the point of manipulating statistics on crime, unemployment and GDP. The government arbitrarily and without a social debate abandoning the publishing of M3 is an example but there are many more.

      Both socialism and communism place the group (society and/or community) in the advanced legal priority, negating especially individual property rights in favor of the so-called common good. Where as, free enterprise and libertarianism place the individual in the advance legal priority over the society and/or community. The difference between communism and socialism is therefore more how the state interviews, with the major difference being with communism, attempting to eliminate individual property ownership and rights. I go in to much more detail but it is interesting how I have objectively analyzed the various divisions within the study of political economy, as our forefathers called it.

      1. “I go in to much more detail but it is interesting how I have “objectively analyzed” the various divisions within the study of political economy, as our forefathers called it.”

        hskiprob,

        The flaw in you proposition begins with the fact that you are not “objective” and due to that your analysis is grossly simplistic.

        1. @Mike Spindell. – The flaw in you argument is simple. You have no facts to support your premise. You have not read my paper since it is not yet published.Another logical fallacy Mike and I’ve told you to stop it more than once. It makes you appear to be malicious and ignorant. Why even write something if you have so little to say that is worthless to everyone. Unwarranted criticism? I do find it ironic of you criticizing me of being “grossly” simplistic. Is this what you really want to break down to; writing worthless barbs at one another. You can do better then this.

  3. Skip,

    You’re hilarious. Most socialist countries are doing better than the U.S. by any standard you want to measure them by.

    Except perhaps ignorance, but you seem like your trying to corner the market on that.

    1. You stated: “You’re hilarious. Most socialist countries are doing better than the U.S. by any standard you want to measure them by.”

      I am very interested in your analysis of the “any standards” and how you would measure than up. Please support you statement.

      As far as the US doing poorly. I agree. We’re fascist. The question you can’t ethically answer is why we are doing so poorly. When you can do that, let’s communicate some more and please be specific. Don’t give me the lack of structured regulation either. Everything is highly regulated. How well the regulators do their jobs is another issue as is who regulating what.

      The failing of the various socialist movements have always been their inability to recognize the “Contraindications” of their statist policies and I think more importantly the inability to acknowledge that the oligarchs control the system and that you cannot beat them at the game they control no matter what political system you enact. The majority always ends up “over the long term” getting screwed under statist policies.

    2. Somebody just sent me this for about the 5 time. Does anyone know if it’s true or not. What about LA and New York?

      The United States is currently 3rd in Murders throughout the World .

      But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans ,
      the United States is 4th from the bottom for Murders.

      These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws
      in the United States and all 4 Cities are controlled by Democrats.

      However — It probably would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data.

  4. hskip:

    the trade schools would be good but the jobs are all overseas now.

    Although good jobs like welder and machinist are going begging.

    1. Hey Bron, We’ve crushed a large portion of the lower and middle classes in the country, so let keep doing the same things and HOPE for better results. There’s 14,000 scientists “working” at the NIA so there are plenty of people working, just not in productive jobs. Many have never considered what continuing government employment does to the overall economy, especially when deficit spending is done to pay for the employment. It not only creates a divide between the private and public sector, (socialists & libertarians) it continues unwarranted price supports for the false economy prosperity being created. The potential economic boondoggles are almost endless.

  5. hskiprob: Yes. If I think it is better to teach a person how to fish rather than give him a fish, I’m greedy?

    Yes. Is there a reason you cannot do both, feed somebody so they don’t starve while teaching them to fish? Why is it one or the other?

    Besides, part of what we “liberals” want to do is make education free, which is precisely “teaching them to fish,” but the selfish routinely condemn free public education as theft, too.

    As a liberal, I think all sorts of trade schools should be free, paid for by the public; we all benefit from a stronger economy and less desperation if everybody can learn to do what they want to do and are best at. How is teaching somebody to weld different than teaching them to fish? Or teaching somebody how to safely operate a bulldozer, or build a cabinet?

    And while we are teaching them to fish, wouldn’t that be pointless if they cannot afford to eat, and cannot afford to attend class because they are to busy stacking boxes to earn money for food and shelter?

    You can (metaphorically speaking) teach them to fish and give them fish to eat, and in the end increase the total supply of caught fish, and make fish cheaper, and make them more productive and good tax payers so your share of “teaching them to fish” is minimized by a larger pool of skilled fisherman that contribute with you, and therefore a much smaller pool of unskilled people that need to be fed.

    The way to minimize the welfare we have to pay a generation from now, and for all generations, is to strategically pay more welfare now that acts as an investment in future self-sufficiency.

    1. 50 years of social programs:
      U.S.: 49.7 Million Are Now Poor, and 80% of the Total Population Is Near Poverty.

      Yea happy; Socialism and Communism has never worked and they will never work. A pig is still a pig no matter how you try to dress it and thinking that “you” and your gang of morons can macro manage the economic affairs of a entire society takes a fool. You and your cronies fit the bill. At least your starting to get bits and pieces of the puzzle. Just remember, there is nothing worse than an old warn out socialist trying to convince the world that statism and the redistribution of wealth is the great savior of our world.

      You are the ones that need to be taught how to fish or else you’ll end up like the 50 million above. I’m already because I’m unwilling to suck off the tit of labor of other people. I’d rather be poor than be a part of the den of thieves.

  6. Skip,

    “Somebody please help this poor ignorant soul.”
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    You could help us help you by making more sense when you post. I’m sure you’re clear on your meanings when you write, but it’s not always the case for the rest of us.

    Here’s something I did get, though, and it’s a point your friend DavidM made on another thread, which is how your grandmother came to this country, orphaned with no support system, and lived to a ripe old age, doing just fine without any of the social safety measures that higher taxes support. DavidM claims that he lived on a food budget of $7 a week and survived perfectly well.

    You know, people managed to survive the atom bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and lived for many years to tell about it. But just because someone survived an atomic bomb doesn’t mean we should put anyone else through that experience.

    Your grandma lived long. Now, it could have been genetics or it could have been due to living in a cold weather climate, where live expectancy has been shown to be higher, but there’s no telling how much better her life would have been if there had been a better social system in place. Ironically, 1903 was a time when there was a great deal of agitation for social programs in this country.

    I think your like one of these snotty rich kids who’s had it easy for so long that you take the security and stability of our social systems for granted; you’ve not only forgotten what the struggle was about, you’ve forgotten there was a need for struggle.

  7. hskiprob,

    I tend to quote experts and yes sometimes they have differing views which conflict to some degree.

    But I share the sources so you and others can know for yourselves.

    My knowledge or opinion alone is not intended to be either ultimately persuasive.

    Or offensive.

  8. @Dredd, It just like that comment you made to me yesterday, I believe and give a lot to the less privileged I just don’t want government making those decisions for me using my money.

  9. After growing up in a wealthy family Chris Hedges now has this perspective:

    The inability to grasp the pathology of our oligarchic rulers is one of our gravest faults. We have been blinded to the depravity of our ruling elite by the relentless propaganda of public relations firms that work on behalf of corporations and the rich. Compliant politicians, clueless entertainers and our vapid, corporate-funded popular culture, which holds up the rich as leaders to emulate and assures us that through diligence and hard work we can join them, keep us from seeing the truth.

    (Truth Dig, emphasis added). More argument for the germ theory of government perhaps.

    1. Dredd, you appear to have some keen insights into the socio-economics of our world, like the post above but then you sometimes say things that contradict that insight. We both know that we have been bombarded by various political memes, and yet you seem to fall prey to some of them. I’ll be more specific as I read your future posts. I don’t want to go back and uncover them.

    2. To bad this blog doesn’t place the reply just below the post you are replying to so that people can read both the original post and the reply. I’ve noticed I’m relying to things I have to go back to in the email to read the original post. It reminds me of Mike’s and my arguments – way to far apart.

  10. The inclusion of Donald Trump in the mix of sociopaths was misplaced. He is one or two up the alphabet so to speak and is a psychopath. A psychopath is further down the insanity trail so to speak and must be handled with handcuffs and leg chains. That is why he is called The Donald. He is one of a kind in NYC and not to be immolated. Mutilated maybe.

  11. Mike S posited an alternate view:

    Rather than argue back and forth about the negative effects of CEO sociopaths on this society as the root of so much dysfunction, my readings this week suggest another theory that would provide a simpler explanation of why it seems that so many in this country have so little compassion and empathy for the less fortunate among us.

    The photos show people who are experiencing power, by wealth, and by being in a government office.

    Two recent studies indicate that education and exposure to power will alter the person’s brain or mind:

    Even the smallest dose of power can change a person. You’ve probably seen it. Someone gets a promotion or a bit of fame and then, suddenly, they’re a little less friendly to the people beneath them.

    So here’s a question that may seem too simple: Why?

    If you ask a psychologist, he or she may tell you that the powerful are simply too busy. They don’t have the time to fully attend to their less powerful counterparts.

    But if you ask Sukhvinder Obhi, a neuroscientist at Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario, Canada, he might give you another explanation: Power fundamentally changes how the brain operates.

    Obhi and his colleagues, Jeremy Hogeveen and Michael Inzlicht, have a new study showing evidence to support that claim.

    In 1776, Adam Smith famously wrote: “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.”

    Economists have run with this insight for hundreds of years, and some experts think they’ve run a bit too far. Robert Frank, an economist at Cornell, believes that his profession is squashing cooperation and generosity. And he believes he has the evidence to prove it.

    (Abiotic Evolution: Can It Explain An Origin For The Toxins of Power? – 2). The two separate studies offer another view of how the brain changes in a particular educational environment as well as an environment of power.

    The old adage “power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” comes to mind.

  12. Note this:

    Contemporary understanding of the pervasive interplay of genetic and environmental influences in determining behavioral outcomes of various kinds argues against the likelihood that any psychiatric condition, including psychopathy, is entirely “born” or “made.” Rather, based on what is known about related conditions, it seems likely that (a) psychopathy has multiple etiologies and (b) constitutional influences will both shape and be shaped by environmental influences (Waldman & Rhee, 2006).

    (Sage Journals, “Psychopathic Personality, Bridging the Gap Between Scientific Evidence and Public Policy“). It is not so that the psychopaths who make their way into government, then oppress the weak, are born that way in terms of genetics.

    The astute doctors who are practitioners, which I posted videos of up-thread (Dr. Fallows, Dr. Maté, Dr. Wilkinson. Dr. Sapolsky, Dr. Gilligan), indicate that psychopaths are not born that way because of genetic configuration.

    Which means that our society develops them, beginning with how mothers take care of the fetus, how the world treats them, and their personal individual choice and practices during their life.

    It is all “fixable” in other words.

    A kinder, gentler nation will have fewer psychopaths.

    1. “A kinder, gentler nation will have fewer psychopaths.”

      You mean, as in enslave me to pay for the health care of a junk-food nation?

  13. Oky1 1, November 16, 2013 at 5:02 pm

    OS,

    I’m amusing myself with my thoughts on my handling of this issue.

    I’m writing what my opinion is 1st & then going back & checking other info hoping I’m somewhere in the ball park on small important prices of it.

    Please don’t let me work on your airplane engine using this method of bolting the parts together 1st & then later checking the assembly instructions after you’ve taken off. 🙂
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    Yep.

    Just imagine the nomenclature.

  14. OS,

    I’m amusing myself with my thoughts on my handling of this issue.

    I’m writing what my opinion is 1st & then going back & checking other info hoping I’m somewhere in the ball park on small important prices of it.

    Please don’t let me work on your airplane engine using this method of bolting the parts together 1st & then later checking the assembly instructions after you’ve taken off. 🙂

  15. **by Effie Orfanides – in 40 Google+ circles
    Nov 7, 2013 – A new body part has been discovered by doctors in Belgium. … See also. Top News. Two Belgian surgeons have discovered a new human … **

    https://www.google.com/search?q=news%2C+Doctors+find+a+new+body+part

    While we’re entertaining the issue of what the difference between a sociopath and psychopath is I’ll throw this out for OS, et al.

    As noted in the news above the medical community isn’t closed to new discoveries, ie: they just found a new body part on humans. Same with the APA, they change definitions all the time.

    I also often see people brag in public that they are proud to be greedy, I hope they are not trying to impress me & really just how greedy are they?

    This is from a personal experience, as I’ve mentioned I used to enjoy raising German Shepards, still do if I could.

    I noticed one day what I believe is the difference was between a sociopath, psychopath & a normal person is.

    1. A psychopath is someone who will kill a box full of puppies for no reason at all because he’s a bat sheeet crazy lunatic.

    2. A sociopath is someone just as much of a crazy lunatic as a psychopath, but he can control himself & he kills the box full of puppies for no other reason then the greed of making money from it. He understands exactly what he did & why.

    3. A normal doesn’t want to kill the box full of puppies for any reason, but after taken the pups to a vet finds out that a dog disease has infected the pups & the property. The pups will die a slow & painful death anyway so the owner, with great sadness has to decide to be merciful & put the pups down.

    I still feel sad about the pups, but that’s life.

    Some could claim my opinion is anecdotal, yes but that’s what my research & personal experiences leave me believing.

  16. sociopaths are usually uneducated, unemployed people who do NOT try to ingratiate themselves to those whom they wish to hurt. They act whenever they feel they’ve been insulted. they tend to be loners with few friends.

    psychopaths are usually educated, employed, and spend a lot of time trying to gain the trust of their intended victim. UNLIKE sociopaths, they carefully plan their attacks. Socopaths act on the spur of the moment.

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