Our “Virtuous” Rich

Submitted By: Mike Spindell, Guest Blogger

104248208I believe that it is impossible to deal with any problem until one understands the underlying nature of that problem. The analogy of a Physician treating the symptoms of a patient, but ignoring the cause of those symptoms, comes to mind. We have the medicine to deal with the specific manifestation of an illness like a headache and a fever, but in ameliorating the discomfort of the symptoms, we may miss the underlying pathology. This happened to me last March when shortly after being prescribed a change in the anti-rejection medicines that keep me alive after my heart transplant, I began to get so sick that I needed hospitalization in intensive care. I won’t bore you with the grimy details of this sudden downturn in health, but I must note that my most important bodily functions began to shut down. What is curious about this incident is that my wife, who is internet savvy, immediately began to suggest to my Doctors that I was having a bad reaction to the medicinal change. At first they ignored her as they had Department Heads in Cardiology, Immunology, Infectious Diseases, Neurology, Proctology, Urology and even Dermatology come in to examine me and pore over my medical charts. Finally, in response to my wife’s unfailing advocacy, they returned me to my prior anti-rejection medication. To my Physician’s surprise and possible chagrin the symptoms almost immediately began to abate and within in days I was home from the hospital and on the mend.

While the story above may seem to be far afield from my topic today, I use it to illustrate how even the best minds can be distracted from an underlying pathology by the symptoms it presents. The pathology I want to deal with in this piece is that of our America becoming a country increasingly divided between rich and poor. We are a country at war with itself. That war is one defined by social/economic class and by skin color. The manifestations of the “warfare” are to be seen in our political system and the mock battles between “conservatives” and “liberals” for the soul of the nation. Yet the two dominant parties are both financed, thus controlled, by those who are extremely wealthy. Their party differences seem only to be ones of degree. By degree I mean the Republican’s are in favor of an all out war on those of lower economic status, while the Democrat’s seek to ameliorate the effects upon them, but continue the economic dominance of that miniscule percentage of our people. To my mind the problem of economic inequality in our country is merely a symptom of an underlying psychological mindset of those with wealth and thus great power. Those of us who would change the equation between wealth and class find ourselves fighting the “symptoms” of this class warfare, but these “symptoms” confuse our cause. On a macrocosmic scale the “battles” in this “warfare” are “fought” via political ideologies based on theories by “great” economists and social commentators. To my mind these are “mock battles” because they are involved only in symptoms misdiagnosed by “experts”. Permit me to explain.

Consider the Koch Brothers, whose wealth was estimated in Forbes Magazine to be $36 billion each.  http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/morning_call/2013/09/koch-brothers-net-worth-36-billion.html Were these brothers to stop all economic activity today it would be reasonable to assume that all their progeny and future progeny, would have enough money to not have to work for perhaps 20 generations to come. The simple truth is that barring some heretofore unsuspected catastrophe, that much wealth would allow the bearers to live comfortably through even the harshest social upheaval one could imagine. Even violent revolutions, as those we’ve seen in Russia and in China, were such that many of the wealthiest in those societies were able to escape the “Revolution” with their lives and their wealth intact. Yet these brothers, who are tied for fourth on Forbes list of the “100 Wealthiest American’s, are arguably the most active people politically in this country and their activism is all focused on ensuring the primacy of themselves and their class. What can it be then that motivates people like the Koch Brothers, who have far more wealth than they can conceivably manage to use in their lifetimes, to be so set on ensuring the that their class will be supreme in America and in the world? I suggest that the answer has nothing to do with either politics or economics. I assert that it is a battle of “good” versus “evil”, but that those terms are rendered meaningless if applied in their normal moral contexts.

The leadership in this country’s war against the lower classes are fighting this “war” because they deem themselves to be the repositories of “virtue” and also the most capable, therefore the most deserving people to lead. This is why I believe that we could throw out the normal conceptions of “good” versus “evil” when we try to conceptualize what is going on here. Class Warfare in America is being waged because most of our wealthiest people believe they are acting morally in waging it. They see themselves as representing all that is “good” in humanity and they are fighting the “evil” of those who would take from society without “producing” anything. To understand the basis of the struggle being waged politically in our country, we must understand that it has developed from psychological suppositions, rather than socio-economic principles.

“A study of social class — defined by annual income and by education-level — finds that “Social class rank was positively associated with essentialist beliefs [beliefs that genetics is more important than environment in explaining social class]. … Social class rank was also positively associated with both belief in a just world … and meritocracy beliefs, … suggesting that upper-class … individuals are more likely to believe that society is fair and just than are their lower-class rank counterparts.”

This study,  “Social Class Rank, Essentialism, and Punitive Judgment,”  was published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, and was performed by Michael W. Kraus and Dacher Keltner, two leading social scientists, whose investigations of the moralities that are applied respectively by the rich and by the poor, are contributing importantly to our understanding of society, of politics, of law, and of economics.

“This research found that “Upper-class … individuals were more likely to endorse beliefs that social class is an inherent, stable, and biologically determined social category relative to their lower-class … counterparts. Moreover, this pattern emerged after accounting for both political attitudes and material resource measures of social class. … Beliefs that society is fair and just explained the tendency among upper-class … individuals to endorse essentialist [biological] beliefs about social class.” Thus: the richer and more educated a person was, the more that he thought the world is just, and the more he attributed his being upper-class to his supposed inborn superiority, rather than to the circumstance of his having been born from rich parents who possessed the money to send him to college and perhaps to an expensive university.”

“Rich and educated people were more supportive of punishment as a means of retribution; poor and uneducated people were more supportive of punishment as a means of reforming the criminal and of (via fines, etc.) restoring to the victims what they had lost from the crime. “Moreover, relationships among social class rank, essentialist beliefs, and punitive judgments could not be accounted for by measures of individuals’ material resources or political orientation.” In other words: even “liberal” rich tend to be more favorable to retribution than are “liberal” poor.

In summary: “Upper-class … individuals would be more likely to endorse essentialist lay theories of social class categories (i.e., that social class is founded in genetically based, biological differences) than would lower-class … individuals and … these beliefs would decrease support for restorative justice — which seeks to rehabilitate offenders, rather than punish unlawful action.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Rich-and-Educated-Beli-by-Eric-Zuesse-Deficit-funded-Tax-Cuts-To-Wealthy_Spread-The-Wealth_WEALTH-VS-ALTRUISM-IN-POLITICS_Wealth-Concentration-131202-193.html

Reading the above I think one can begin to limn the outlines of the motivation of the Koch Brothers and their allies. If you give it some thought it makes sense that rich people, especially the Koch Brothers would feel the way they do and act on it. By virtue of their birth they are wealthy beyond belief. They have lived lives where those around them cater to them. They have attended schools surrounded by others from their social class and they have no real experience when it comes to what life is like for the average person. When Mitt Romney gave the advice to college graduates to borrow $20,000 from their father and start a business he was being totally sincere. His father gave him $10 million to start Bain Capital after all. When I first started driving, one of my friends who came from a wealthy and indulgent family, asked me when I asked him to chip in for gas: “Why don’t you have your father give you a credit card, like mine does.” From his life experience how was he to know that my father couldn’t get a credit card for himself, much less give one to me. How then is someone born to great wealth able to understand what it is like to be born without their privileges? To someone like that poverty is merely an abstract concept.

Social Commentator Chris Hedges has even a more jaundiced view of the wealthy stemming from his childhood experiences living and going to school among them:

“Because we don’t understand the pathology of the rich. We’ve been saturated with cultural images and a kind of cultural deification of wealth and those who have wealth. We are being–you know, they present people of immense wealth as somehow leaders–oracles, even. And we don’t grasp internally what it is an oligarchic class is finally about or how venal and morally bankrupt they are. We need to recover the language of class warfare and grasp what is happening to us, and we need to shatter this self-delusion that somehow if, as Obama says, we work hard enough and study hard enough, we can be one of them. The fact is, the people who created the economic mess that we’re in were the best-educated people in the country–Larry Summers, a former president of Harvard, and others. The issue is not education. The issue is greed. And I, unfortunately, had the experience of being shipped off to a private boarding school at the age of ten as a scholarship student and live–I was one of 16 kids on scholarship, and I lived among the super-rich and I watched them. And I think much of my hatred of authority and my repugnance for the ruling elite comes from having been among them for so long.”

“People don’t understand the elite schools, even at the high school level, that they get–the kids get excellent educations, but they learn the whole culture of hundreds or thousands of years of how to rule. And a deep, rich understanding of it. Not only that and George Bush is a perfect example of that. Well, not so much an example of deep, rich understanding, but of how–you know, affirmative action for the rich. And I came–certainly my mother’s side of the family–from lower working class. I mean, people–one of my uncles lived in a trailer in Maine, and certainly people with no means. And I would juxtapose the world I was in with that world. And it was very clear that it wasn’t about intelligence or aptitude.

The fact is, if you’re poor, you only get one chance. If you’re wealthy like Bush, you get chance after chance after chance after chance. So you’re a C student at Andover, and you go to Yale, and you go to Harvard Business School, and you’re AWOL from your National Guard unit, and you’re a cokehead, and it doesn’t really matter. You don’t even really have a job till you’re 40 and you become president of the United States.

So that was what was particularly insidious, how those small, tight elite oligarchic circles perpetuated themselves and promoted mediocrity (because many of these people like Bush are very mediocre human beings) at the expense of the rest of us, and how with money they game the system. And, of course, now we live in an oligarchic state where we’ve been rendered utterly powerless, and the judiciary, the legislative, the executive branches all subservient to an oligarchic corporate elite. And the press is owned by an oligarchic corporate elite, which makes sure that any critique of them is never broadcast over the airwaves.” http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11150

Chris Hedges is somewhat more polemical than I am. Although I come from a lower middle class background, with a father who had been in prison, I have had many wealthy friends in my life. Among them are people I still love and cherish. More than a few came from circumstances humbler than my own to achieve financial success in this world. Rather than begrudge their success I admire it and feel good for them. Some of my friends were born to moderate wealth, but have the insight to see that those less privileged than themselves are also deserving of consideration. Neither of those categories can be seen as representative of the “Rich” I’m discussing here. The fact is that I would have had no occasion in my life to meet, or become friends with people such as the Koch Brothers. The circles in which we travel are so completely different as to be analogous to different planets. In any event it is not my purpose to demonize those such as the Koch’s, but to understand their motivations so that their hold on power which has resulted in class warfare can be fought. An apt question for me would be, given the above, how do I differentiate between being wealthy and being rich enough to be beyond the reach of social norms? Being in fact wealthy enough to create one’s own social norms. My own rough dividing line, with some possible exceptions, is that if you are worth more than $100 million then you are in the league I’m talking about. However, even that standard deserves a caveat.

Robinson Cano, the All Star Second Baseman for the New York Yankees just signed a contract with the Seattle Mariners for $150 million. Alex Rodriguez the team’s putative Third Baseman in working on a contract that has earned him well over $100 million and the contract of Derek Jeter the shortstop is also in the $100 million range. Yet neither of these players will ever have the influence on world affairs of those who I am dealing with. The reason is that the equation of the “rich and powerful” must be tempered by social class considerations. In our society professional athletes may make fortunes, but they are never taken seriously for their wealth. Yet the owners of professional sports teams are taken seriously and even esteemed. This is proven by the public’s disdain by athletes who use their skills to bargain successfully for lucrative contracts. The sympathy of the public has been shown to be overwhelmingly against the athlete and for ownership. The reason is that the athlete is not considered by the general public to be in the same class as the multi-billionaire owner. The athlete is of the “blue collar” class, while the owner is considered a “patrician”. This is a real social distinction that cannot be discounted in examining this subject.

Another factor that I think needs to be taken into account when one looks beyond the “symptoms” of economic class warfare in this country is religion. We know that many of those of wealth who are the greatest antagonists in class warfare in this country are on the surface deeply religious people. How can some devout Christians for instance, based on Jesus’ teachings, believe that the poor and meek should suffer? Let us again turn to the example of Mitt Romney for guidance. Romney, the scion of a very prominent Mormon family was brought up in a world of privilege, living a quite blessed life. Is it any stretch of the imagination to believe that he sees himself and his class as being blessed by God? Why would Mitt doubt that it is through God’s intervention that he is living such a perfect life? Conversely, it is no strain of that kind of logic to see the poor as unworthy and unproductive because the evidence is that they have received little of God’s blessings. Thus when Romney was surreptitiously recorded telling an appreciative audience of people from similarly wealthy backgrounds that “47% of the people in this country are unproductive”, he was also connoting that they deserved their fates. With human’s pervasive tendency to be self-justifying it is quite natural to see the benefits you personally perceived as evidence of not only a “greater plan”, but as further evidence that you are someone who is “above” the ordinary individual.

The feeling that you as an individual have been “singled out” by God has real consequences in a person’s behavior, since if they have “God’s Blessings”, then their actions would be those condoned by God. The fact that almost all organized religion has enjoyed a symbiotic relationship with wealth and power is also not to be dismissed, in that organized religion has long bestowed blessings upon those already privileged. Let’s look at some of the consequences of this today. For one writer the answer to the question of whether the wealth lie, steal and cheat more than the rest of us is:

“yes” — in certain circumstances. The research supporting this conclusion was not conducted by Occupy Wall Street, but at the University of California, Berkeley, where social psychologist Paul Piff and a team of graduate students devised a series of experiments to assess the effect of wealth on ethical behavior. Their paper, published at the end of February in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that the rich are more likely to cut corners than others when confronted with a number of ethical challenges.”

After detailing the studies the author goes on to write:

“The study also tested people’s willingness to accept better grades than they had earned, to lie to job applicants in order to earn a larger bonus, even to pilfer candy from a jar meant for children. In all cases, the wealthier you were the more likely you were to behave badly.

So what’s the deal — are the rich less ethical than the rest of us? Not necessarily, according to Piff. But they do have a greater sense of personal entitlement. If you have money, you come to see it as your due. The affluent view wealth as a virtue, and their own wealth as proof of their own hard work and innate worth. They are rich, in other words, because (in their own minds at least) they deserve it.

And because their feeling of self worth are tied to their ability to acquire wealth, the rich often feel driven to continue to do so — long after their most lavish material desires are met. The insane feeding frenzy on Wall Street prior to the crash may be less about greed than a species of machismo. Money, for the rich, is not just a medium to purchase things; it is a measure of status in that rarefied world where you are judged by the heft of your take home pay.

“It’s not that the rich are innately bad,” Piff said, “but as you rise in the ranks — whether as a person or a nonhuman primate — you become more self-focused.”

And also isolated, cut off from others and from the standards of the community at large, the study concluded. Unlike the poor, who have to rely on their network of friends, family and neighbors to help them get through tough economic times, wealth buys one a certain independence from others. The rich don’t have to make the same compromises and accommodations as the rest of us do. They are accustomed to getting their own way. They are also used to getting away with things. Witness the bafflement, then outrage on Wall Street when it was suggested that the big wheels there who had acted fraudulently should be held criminally accountable for their misdeeds.

Living in a bubble of extreme wealth also fosters what has been called “the compassion deficit.” As one gets richer, it becomes increasingly difficult to identify with those in need. Romney’s statement that he was not worried about the poor, because they are protected by the safety net is a case in point. As the income gap widens, many are losing their ability even to imagine what life might be like on the other side of the divide.” http://www.opednews.com/articles/Do-the-Wealthy-Lie-Cheat-by-Richard-Schiffman-120418-742.html

Yet another study bears out these findings as presented in the abstract from the study:

“Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up laboratory studies, upper-class individuals were more likely to exhibit unethical decision-making tendencies (study 3), take valued goods from others (study 4), lie in a negotiation (study 5), cheat to increase their chances of winning a prize (study 6), and endorse unethical behavior at work (study 7) than were lower-class individuals. Mediator and moderator data demonstrated that upper-class individuals’ unethical tendencies are accounted for, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed.” (Note some of these studies are referenced in the quote above) http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/02/21/1118373109.abstract

Finally there is this abstract of a study published in “The American Journal of Psychiatry” about the psyches of the children of the super-rich:

“Because they have little parental contact, many children of the very rich lack self-esteem and clear role models, resulting in shallow values and pathological narcissism. Low self-awareness and the absence of great suffering work against therapeutic progress, as do the efforts of the parents, who may feel threatened, and countertransference feelings of envy or anger by middle-class therapists. A supportive psychotherapeutic relationship is the most likely means of developing trust and self-discipline in these patients.” http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?articleID=156685

Those who have ready many of my past guest blogs are quite familiar where I stand on the issue of class warfare. What I have been confronted with from some commenter’s in the past is well you’ve described the issue what should we do about it. This post is the beginning of my answering those questions because I think before suggesting solutions we must understand the real problem and spread that understanding as far and wide as possible. For further perspective on the need to spread the message I offer this perspective from an author who uses the love for Dicken’s “A Christmas Carol” and Schulz’s “Charlie Brown who keeps thinking that Lucy will hold the ball for him to kick” as  metaphors for mistaken liberal beliefs on how to confront their opposition:

“Todayʼs liberals and progressives, comprising the Democratic Party, still believe the American conservative who espouses a free market-I got mine-you get yours philosophy can be changed if only shown the damage such a viewpoint engenders. They believe the Dickensian myth that care for others and love of social justice lies just below the surface of callous disregard for the common good. This Charlie Brown naivete pervades the political establishment on the left. Along with their profits, the conservative money-making machine takes this passive hopefulness to the bank, an asset in the painting of the left as creating an underclass of the lazy and dependent. The establishment left is manifestly afraid of conflict and believes that reason, carefully pressed in the service of political argument, can sway their opponents. When Harry Reid finally invoked “the nuclear option,” the reaction from the right was one of disbelief. The left was acting against its own myth of influencing change by reason and sentiment.

Despite Dickens, change did not come to mid-19th century English society through the conversion of the moneyed classes to altruism. It came about through struggle and vision of how economic and technological forces could be used to temper the power and greed of those who would hold onto wealth at the cost of a depressed and growing underclass. What did change Scrooge was his own loneliness in regard to his inability to convince others of the rightness of dismissing a concern for others in the pursuit of wealth. Without Marley to share his philosophy of greed, he became a victim of his own self-doubt. Perhaps Dickens, in fooling us into believing people change of their own accord, did point out a truth that the soft “Charlie Brown” like left could learn in dealing with money obsessed right. Do not be afraid to use power in isolating them in their own obsession. If you want change, then you must become the agent of change. Charlie Brown never did get this central fact of life. He goes on living with disappointment engendered by the hope Lucy will change. Lucy, in her craftiness, realizes she can go on enjoying her one-upping of Charlie Brown by enticing him to hope she will change and become cooperatively nice. She knows it is not going to happen. Change is the responsibility of the one wanting change.

The promise of hope and change proclaimed in the 2008 elections has been blocked by an unchanging minority in the legislative branch of government with the collusion of moneyed interests and gerrymandered voting blocs. Hoping for change will change little or nothing. It is the hopers who must change finding the courage to risk upsetting the recalcitrant opponents of a fairer and more just society. Take the ball away from the Lucy’s and use a tee or find someone else who can be trusted to hold the ball in place.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ron-cebik/ebenezer-scrooge-and-lucy_b_4434656.html

When it comes to confronting the reality of class warfare in the United States which is creating an ever widening gap between rich and poor I tend to agree with the author Ron Cebik above. Those who would create a feudal corporate society and turn most of us into serfs will not easily relinquish their power, since as I’ve tried to show they believe that they not only have a right to it, but that they are the only ones competent to hold it. If, as I do, you want to create a just society that feels and acts as if we are all inter-connected, then we all must confront the notion that wealth comes as a blessing from above and that because of that is sacrosanct. The sad seamy truth is that far too often the seeds of great wealth have been sown in a soil of corruption and the fruits of it are quite bitter. The super rich among us are not virtuous people, but unfortunately they do not have the insight to see this about themselves. We must disabuse them of their false notions by clarifying the nature of their game.

Submitted By: Mike Spindell, Guest Blogger

Further articles of interest on this subject:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/class-war_b_4432261.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-silver/jim-himes-hr-992-corruption_b_4426121.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/we-have-met-the-enemy-and_b_4437294.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/11/1262005/-Teen-Kills-4-Judge-LITERALLY-Lets-Him-Off-Because-He-is-Rich?detail=hide

626 thoughts on “Our “Virtuous” Rich”

  1. Bron,

    You are focusing on size. Which – again – is not the appropriate metric. For example: the ACA. The flaw with the ACA is not its size. The flaw with the ACA is that it is a half measure that only partially addresses the underlying social problem while artificially propping up the profits of the failed (in the sense it fails the social compact) business model that is for profit health care insurance. It is a “solution” that is not properly designed to accomplish the actual properly defined goal. By analogy, it’s a band-aid where stitches are required that provides a captive market and artificially sustained profits to the band-aid suppliers.

    Oky,

    Laws only work in combination with enforcement – a coercive element to those who would break the law. Laws without consequences (which happen to come in the form of some kind of penalty, by nature a form of coercion) to back them up are suggestions.

  2. Gene H:

    what point is that? As far as I remember I am a small government type, not no government.

  3. Elaine M. 1, December 20, 2013 at 1:29 pm ,

    Anyone running a small business or be they just a citizen are currently threatened with violence by the govt, through unconstitutional, illegal laws/regs if the Biz/Citizen doesn’t allow the govt to violate the Biz/citizens Constitutional “Rights”.

    I cited 2 cases of the many “Rights” being currently violated by the govt, the 4th & the 5th.

    And haven’t even addressed the govt’s illegal spying.

  4. Oky,

    We CAN understand what William K. Black did regarding the Savings and Loan crisis. That doesn’t mean people can’t also understand how to run a small business in this country. Are you suggesting that no one should own a small business in this country because there are criminals working on Wall Street/for banks?

  5. Oky,

    How did you get to the subject of government violence against citizens from our discussion about two people addressing their experiences with the government while running a small business?

  6. ** Law breaking is punished by violence when necessary. I have no more sympathy for you feeling you have to pay taxes at gunpoint than I would have sympathy for a burglar surrendering at gunpoint. Those taxes are not YOUR money, they are a debt you owe for the use of our infrastructure, laws, and the protections you receive that you refuse to acknowledge. **

    Tony C,

    ** What’s of interest to me is WK Black is a professional & put somewhere between 1200 & 1500 Bank/Insurance Criminal Trash in prison over the S&L crises. And if Bill, (William K Black), wasn’t able to make the public fully understand why they should give a sheeet & how it directly affects them, well then how can anyone else expect to explain it to the public/business? **

    You are currently helping make my point that some of you can not understand or appreciate what William K Black was warning you of so what more could I say.

    He’s far better with words & issues of law then I.

  7. **More complete bullshit. I do not refrain from harming others because there is punishment for harming others, I am not a psychopath or sociopath that is only deterred by the threat of violence. **

    I’m not sure what you are addressing with the above comment.

    What I was addressing was that it is the Govt that makes threats of Violence against Citizens everyday & do in fact commit acts of Violence against the citizens everyday.

    You may not recognize that you/citizens were/are threated with violence by the govt but we are.

  8. Hey . . . what’s that whooshing sound?

    Oh, it’s just the point flying right past Bron again.

    Never mind.

  9. Skipples,

    “Perhaps they will all get together as one big happy family and write laws that protect individual rights instead of legislation that gives certain groups advantage and/or benefits over others?”

    Or perhaps We the People can demand – not ask – that money be removed from the electoral and legislative processes so that Congress does the job as originally designed.

    “It is apparently to much to ask people to do what is in the best interest of the majority, rather than looking out for our own self interest.”

    Said the Objectivist. It’s not too much to ask. You just have to ask the right people. Our current electoral processes which are nothing more than formalized graft attract the wrong people.

    Then you blather on about taxing and spending (and the general welfare although you don’t phrase it that way) in such a manner that shows either you haven’t read or don’t understand the Constitution (probably both).

    “Government is not the solution, it cannot be as it is antithetic to both human nature and individual liberty.”

    The absence of government is anarchy. As I said before, that is a binary, simplistic, uneducated position and desired only children, crazy people, simpletons, those who have not actually seen how thin the veneer of civilization actually is and the consequences when that thin line collapses. I’ve seen what happens first hand when government fails and humans are left to their own devices after Katrina, Skipples. Here’s a hint: it isn’t the Libertarian utopia you think. It’s chaos.

    Government, laws and regulation are necessary to maintain a civilization of any size. Without them limiting behaviors and encouraging others, humans would eat each other. Governments evolved out of two drivers in ancient history: size of the civilization and disasters/disaster mitigation. Laws and government – when functioning and designed maximally – reflect the mutual restraints and encouragements contained within the social compact. We are the only self-predatory species. We will prey upon each other without social restraints.

    It’s our true nature.

    The buffoons who think “well it’d all be hunky-dory if we had absolute liberty” are arguing from a fantasy understanding of human nature. Individuals are capable of great acts of intellect, self-restraint and compassion. Our species as a whole? Not so much. History and psychology tell me so. Government and laws are necessary. There is no society of scale without them.

    The metric of a government’s success in living up to the social compact isn’t size or number of laws and regulations.

    It’s functionality in service of the social compact. It is maximal mutual benefit in exchange for the rights limited from the state of nature by the social compact itself.

    That has always been the proper metric of government function.

    That will always be the proper metric of government function.

    That you don’t understand either human nature in any realistic fashion or understand the nature of civilization as it relates to the social compact is your intellectual failing as evidenced by ignorant statements like “Government is not the solution, it cannot be as it is antithetic to both human nature and individual liberty.”

    Government is a machine. It is what we collectively make it. However, keeping it a democracy and responsive to our rather explicit social contract is a never ending job that requires both a properly educated and vigilant populace. The Founders knew this. Whether there great experiment in making government for the people by the people is a success in the long term or a failure remains to be seen. It’s success is not aided by the simplistic view that government can be done away with.

    Take your simplistic view on standing armies. There are two kinds of army. Either one that adopts a defensive posture with a footprint geared to that task or one that is expansionist with a consequently larger footprint. The former is a necessity of the modern world where other countries who have standing armies could be a legitimate threat that would simply kick the shit out of a militia based system. The later? That’s the kind of military Jefferson warned about. If you want to eliminate waste in government? The place to start isn’t social programs. It’s military spending that funds wars of adventure in the name of private profits of companies like Exxon and Halliburton and oil and oil services families like the Bush and Cheney clans and props up the unnecessarily bloated and self-important MIC.

    Making government work for the common good and the general welfare is the core duty of our social compact along with the usurpation of tyranny. I know this because the Declaration and the Constitution tell me so.

    But government and laws are necessary.

    If you think otherwise, Somalia calls for you.

    You’d be begging to come back to civilization in a week.

    If you live that long.

  10. Oky: That under Abuse of Govt Authority, the govt threatens us all with violence & injury if we refuse to comply to their abuse. So most of us Comply under that direct Threat of harm against us, just as Elaine’s husband & TonyC, (likely), did.

    More complete bullshit. I do not refrain from harming others because there is punishment for harming others, I am not a psychopath or sociopath that is only deterred by the threat of violence.

    I pay my taxes in full and without dodge because I believe in taxation; I believe I have a responsibility to others in society, I believe that without the many protections funded by taxation my net worth and my income would be on par with the median citizen in a third world country, namely near zero, and therefore my society, both in the USA and in many cases the world at large, is my collaborative partner in all my money-making enterprises, and deserves a fair share of my profits.

    When I am partners with others in a business enterprise (and have been many times, and I am seriously examining four new such collaborations this year alone), I do not begrudge them their fair share, and if I am approving the checks I never even consider the fact that they could SUE me for their fair share and collect it with police by violence.

    Law breaking is punished by violence when necessary. I have no more sympathy for you feeling you have to pay taxes at gunpoint than I would have sympathy for a burglar surrendering at gunpoint. Those taxes are not YOUR money, they are a debt you owe for the use of our infrastructure, laws, and the protections you receive that you refuse to acknowledge.

  11. Ole Gene doesnt seem to understand that government is supposed to protect our rights not trample them.

    He also doesnt seem to understand that large organizations become tyrannical in their nature due to the size. They need rules and regulations and methods of doing things which naturally impact other people’s liberty.

    A large corporation has nowhere near the power of large government.

  12. If there is a shred of doubt that the world is totally insane, this will remove it.
    This says it all….
    Pythagoras’ Theorem.…………………………24 words.
    The Lord’s Prayer……………………………………66 words.
    Archimedes’ Principle…………………………………67 words.
    The Ten Commandments……………………………….179 words.
    The Gettysburg Address………………………………………286 words.
    The US Declaration of Independence………………………..1,300 words.
    The US Constitution with all 27 Amendments……………………7,818 words.
    EU Regulations on the sale of Cabbages………………………26,911 words

    The Obamacare statutes together contain 425,116 words.

    1,147,271 Words of Obamacare Regulations

  13. hskiprob, Nice Post!

    I’ve been in agreement with a good deal of what you’re writing. Not everything, but a large amount.

  14. ** Oky1 1, December 19, 2013 at 1:43 pm **

    **
    I wish it wasn’t that way, but it is.

    MERS, Wallst Derivatives, AKA: No certainty of Private Property Title, Zero Ability to insist Business Contracts are Enforced.

    With issues above & others I find it shocking more young guys just don’t turn total criminal if they wish to run any kind of business in this country.

    The only other choice they currently have is to move. **

    I’m sure everyone remembers Professor Turley’s & others recent testimony in front of The House Judiciary Committee on Obama’s/GW (Nazi) Bush’s Imperial Presidencies.

    One of the other lawyers mentioned that the open criminality & lawlessness of the Executive Branch & Regulatory Agencies would cause the public to also just become open criminals.

    To my 1:43 comments in regards to youth & criminal enterprise I find it concerning of the general population’s reaction to overwhelming evidence of DC/Wallst Banks/Insurance co’s open criminality.

    DC polecats & Wallst Banks/Insurance co’s are now openly in Public shouting from the roof tops they are breaking the law, cheating the Citizens, “We the People” & they don’t give a damned if we know it.

    What caused me to write a few thoughts on this subject was the continued general response by some to these issues:

    “Well, we got our piece of the pie so why should we be concerned about official corruption we barley understand anyway.”

    WK Black noted that in this current economic depression that the corrupt Wallst firms were 70 times worst then the Savings & Loans Crises back in the 80s/90’s. And those WK Black comments are around 2 years old & the problems have only gotten worst. Since then it seems he has stopped commenting in public as much.

    What’s of interest to me is WK Black is a professional & put somewhere between 1200 & 1500 Bank/Insurance Criminal Trash in prison over the S&L crises. And if Bill wasn’t able to make the public fully understand why they should give a sheeet & how it directly affects them, well then how can anyone else expect to explain it to the public/business?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_K._Black

  15. If you’d like to explore some of the issues above from a different prospective I’d suggest this video below if you’ve not seen it already:

  16. Ok, I’m writing, let us start at the top.

    We’re discussing the below related issues & if it’s BS or not:

    **Elaine M. 1, December 19, 2013 at 7:26 pm

    Tony C. 1, December 19, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    Nick says: small biz is always in an adversarial relationship w/ the government. The government are bullies and they love to pick on the little guys.

    That is complete bullshit.

    *****

    Once again, I agree with you, Tony. My husband’s businesses didn’t get picked on by the government–nor did my husband have an adversarial relationship with it. In fact, he did business with the government on a number of occasions. He didn’t experience any of the problems that we hear about so often by certain folks who comment on this blog.
    **

    So we’re going to opening the book up that explains the definition of BS in the situation above.

    We start with the “Objective” , The Declaration of Independence.

    That document explains what the people of this nation are trying to build.

    Then we have the “Blueprint” of the directions of how we go about installing the pieces together to build the “Objective”, that is the US Constitution & most importantly it’s “Preamble to the Bill of Rights” & the “Bill of Rights” themselves.

    The “Preamble to the Bill of Rights” & the “Bill of Rights” explains to us the definition we must use in determining just what is “Abuse of Government Authority.”

    And the Preamble to the Bill of Rights displays close to/ or those vary words.

    The issue here is has Elaine’s Husband or TonyC ever suffered any “Abuse of Government Authority” while conducting their business. They claim they didn’t, I claim they did.

    Proving they both suffered at least one Abuse of Govt Authority, which thus makes my case, is very easy.

    Consider the 5th Amendment:

    **

    Amendment V

    [ This is the text of the Fifth Amendment. For an explanatory article, see our Wex page]

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. **

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fifth_amendment

    Now I’m sure Elaine’s husband & TonyC both, every year, signed the USA Income Tax Form just as my wife & I do.

    The point is that the 16th Amendment is a direct Abuse of Govt Authority as proven by the 5th Amendment.

    That under Abuse of Govt Authority, the govt threatens us all with violence & injury if we refuse to comply to their abuse. So most of us Comply under that direct Threat of harm against us, just as Elaine’s husband & TonyC, (likely), did.

    And if you take the time to consider what “Right” the 5th Amendment is giving us you can read the words: “nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,”

    Yet the 16th Amd, under Color of Law, compels us to surrender our 5th Amd “Right” & sign the Govt tax form.

    My case is made that Elaine’s husband & TonyC suffer Abuse of Govt Authority.

  17. We are back to the same basic system flaw, an axis which unless broken perpetuates itself, corruption and a lack of accountability. Since the problem is systemic, the fix is too. It’s not less government or smaller government either. It’s appropriately designed and tasked government which is functionality in service of the social compact; pursuing maximal mutual benefit in exchange for the rights limited from the state of nature by the social compact itself.

    1. Gene H wrote”
      “It’s appropriately designed and tasked government which is functionality in service of the social compact; pursuing maximal mutual benefit in exchange for the rights limited from the state of nature by the social compact itself.”

      “Appropriately designed” is the significant element of his statement.

      The world has been trying to do this for at least six thousand years that we know of.

      And who are going to design this functional system? Special interest groups such as teachers unions, labor unions, oil and gas companies, Monsanto, big pharma, the central banksters, military contractors, the Association of Realtors, the gambling industry, drug cartels, commercial agricultural interests, the poor and disenfranchised, the middle class, The league of Cities, the Chamber of Commerce etc. etc. etc?

      Perhaps they will all get together as one big happy family and write laws that protect individual rights instead of legislation that gives certain groups advantage and/or benefits over others?

      It is apparently to much to ask people to do what is in the best interest of the majority, rather than looking out for our own self interest.

      They then look at the poor and go well, lets tax the rich and we will give that money to the poor. They then say, well lets tax everyone so the poor and middle classes can have free education. We than must tax everyone to set up a military defense system. We then must tax everyone to set up a judicial system. We then must tax everyone to build jails and prisons and a police force to enforce it, We than must tax everyone to protect the commercial lobster fisherman, to curtail private recreational divers from harvesting to many lobsters, We must than tax everyone to subsidies farming interest to keep food cheap. Eventually we get right back to where we are today, with government revenues going to the special interest that kicks back the political system the most causing $100,000,000,000 presidential campaigns and politicians that are lying about how they are going to make the system better, to get elected.

      And people actually believe them!!!!!!

      Government is not the solution, it cannot be as it is antithetic to both human nature and individual liberty. The use of force and coercion against honest people has never worked for prolonged periods of time. Is not slavery and millenniums of military imperialism by the world’s greatest fascist nations evidence of the “beast” that governments create. The Romans, Spartans, British, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, North Vietnamese and Koreans, Japanese, and lets not forget the Americans etc. etc. etc.

      As just one example, It does not take taxation to have a well armed society that can defend against foreign invasion. It does take a standing military to be imperialistic.

  18. Gene: Well yeah, corrupt politicians answer to their owners. That was an overstatement by me anyway; even politicians theoretically answer to the people and the courts.

    But officially speaking, elected persons like Congressmen, Senators, Mayors, even City Council do not have a “boss” except the polls. In most cases they can be impeached for crimes, but typically cannot be fired for failing to perform; they typically have no defined duties or even attendance or voting requirements. A Senator can be in a long term coma and still hold his office until election day. And theoretically, be re-elected.

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