The courthouse in Lahore Pakistan was the scene of a shocking act of religious violence, even by the standards of the Middle East. The family of a pregnant woman stoned her to death in front of the courthouse in Lahore, Pakistan after she married a man against their wishes. This “honor killing” occurred when Farzana Parveen, 25, showed up to contest the abduction case filed by her family against her husband. The father had filed the case on the ground that their marriage was not approved by him and therefore was a case of abduction.
Parveen feel in love with Mohammad Iqbal, 45, and they were engaged for years. However, the family withheld its consent and under Muslim traditions, even though she is an adult woman, she was to be subject to the arranged marriage of her father’s choice. She refused and married Iqbal. Some twenty family members, including her father and brothers, waited for her outside of the courthouse in broad daylight when she arrived with her husband. The family fired shots in the air and tried to snatch her from Iqbal but she resisted.
The family grabbed bricks from a nearby construction site and in front of a crowd of onlookers and in front of the courthouse, they stoned her to death. It is not clear what the court police was doing during this melee. One would have thought that shot fired in front of a courthouse would have brought a police reaction from inside. Stonings take time and yet no police intervened. There is no account of anyone in the crowd intervening. A woman was stoned outside of the high court of Pakistan in broad daylight without any record of an attempted intervention from anyone.
She was three months pregnant.
Iqbal said that they fell in love after the death of his first wife but that the family were insisting on his paying a great deal of money for her.
Her father has claimed that this is an “honor killing” and sanctioned by Islamic law. He is quoted as saying “I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it.”
Source: Big Story
pakistanis dont encourage adulteration and fornication. In this case i dont know about the real matter what it would be, the parents may be wrong and would be accountable before Allah for what they did. In Islam the willingness of women is prerequisite for marriage, without her consent marriage is haram and not acceptable.. And do not say any thing about the leader of the prophets Mohammad Peace be upon him. No man on earth has led a pious life like him. A mercy for all universe…. Dont see at the muslims they may be wrong, look at the Islam itself that is always true and right.
Kishi
Coming soon to an America near you.
Pakis are animals; heathens under the curse of the Pedo Prophet Muhammed.
Cal – you are using Western morality to lay that charge. It was perfectly legal in his time.
“qbal said that they fell in love after the death of his first wife but that the family were insisting on his paying a great deal of money for her.”e
This just in: The husband murdered his first wife.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1109354/husband-of-woman-stoned-to-death-murdered-first-wife
Simms, Iqbal is the husband. Did the father Mujahid ever say anything about this?
The link you offer indicates that Iqbal also admits to strangling his first wife to death because of his love for Farzana, the daughter who was just stoned to death. The story just keeps getting more bizarre. At least we can now better understand why the family did not want 25 year old Farzana Parveen to marry 45 year old Mohammad Iqbal.
Given yet another act of sheer barbarianism from this part of the world, is it any wonder that Israel defends itself in the manner it does? Now, consider the additional fact that our so called leaders are attempting to negotiate with countries like Iran on nuclear weapons. These folks stone people to death. Think they would have any qualms about lobbing a nuke here and there? Ponder that gem. http://www.thepoliticalspectator.org
davidm:
You can place me in the camp of those who believe this incident has something to do with property rights. It is not about a lack of filial piety. If you read the story closely, you will note that the “dishonor” of which the father complained arose from disagreement over the consideration offered by the suitor. This was a mercantile exchange and the family did not believe that the price was right. Furthermore, one can respect the advice and counsel of one’s parents and still choose a different path after thoughtful consideration. That is not in itself evidence of rebellion and unthankfulness. Finally, the notion that I may punish you in order to serve as an example to your siblings is a gross violation of my duty to treat you as an autonomous moral agent.
Mike Appleton wrote: “You can place me in the camp of those who believe this incident has something to do with property rights. It is not about a lack of filial piety. If you read the story closely, you will note that the “dishonor” of which the father complained arose from disagreement over the consideration offered by the suitor. This was a mercantile exchange and the family did not believe that the price was right.”
I did not see where the FATHER complained about the consideration offered by the suitor. Can you point it out for me or offer a quote from the father?
The husband made the assertion that the family wanted to fleece money from him, but I saw nothing from the father along those lines. The father, Mujahid, said, “I killed my daughter as she had insulted all of our family by marrying a man without our consent, and I have no regret over it.”
The father had filed in court that the husband had abducted his daughter. The woman was going to court to defend her husband against her family. That should tell you something there.
The fact that there were 20 relatives gathered who stoned this woman in broad daylight with a crowd of people watching and doing nothing about it suggests that it was about much more than a father wanting financial perks from the suitor. To get 20 relatives in agreement with you, she had to have been working around the parents wishes and was likely acting in rebellion to them.
Furthermore, Islamic law does not consider women property. Here are two links to Islamic discussion about women’s rights:
http://islamicfaq.org/equality/index.html
http://www.islamawareness.net/Women/naik_women.html
That this unfortunate woman was stoned isn’t really the point. The position of her father would be no more acceptable had he settled for a good flogging. What the story illustrates is that in a large part of the world women and children are still regarded as chattel, a cultural norm from which we ourselves are not all that far removed. (After all, we are still reading arguments that female rejection of a loser is to blame for the latest killing spree.) Changing that fact will require many generations and much education. In the meantime, governments in countries like Pakistan will quietly tolerate such cultural practices because they cannot effectively stop them.
The infestation of the minds of infants, with the fairy tails of religions, is the most permanent and debilitating of corruptions, yet it is accepted as wholesome parenting worldwide*!* Very few ever throw off that brainwashing in their lifetimes? A model for mind and population control if there ever was one…
Darrel – <blockquote.The infestation of the minds of infants, with the fairy tails of religions, is the most permanent and debilitating of corruptions, yet it is accepted as wholesome parenting worldwide*!* Very few ever throw off that brainwashing in their lifetimes? A model for mind and population control if there ever was one…
So, which religion did you leave? Although I did not know that fairies had tails until now, thanks for the info.
“Pregnant Woman Stoned In [sic] Death In “Honor Killing” in Broad Daylight In Front of Pakistani High Court”?
No.
Pregnant Woman Stoned [To] Death In “Honor Killing” in Broad Daylight In Front of Pakistani High Court BUILDING?
Yes.
And please save me the, “But you’re missing the point” rants. No, I’m not. This tragedy should be reported here, but that does not excuse sensationalizing it with a misleading, attention-grabbing headline.
Davidm2725, I am not an Islamic scholar so I’ll have to take your advice and look at those quotes from the Koran myself. With that said, from looking at the quotes I am not sure what they mean or what they are referring to. Do they call for killing a daughter because of her choice in spouse? Anyway, my main point is to what end are we working towards? Do we want to, and do we even think we can, get 150 million Pakistanis (or even a billion and a half Muslims) to change they religion? Or can we afford to cut off relations with all Muslims and Muslim countries, including individuals, cultures, and countries that are more progressive than the examples we have here from Pakistan (while not addressing the issue with non-Muslims from similar cultural milieus that engage in similar practices, e.g. regressive Hindus or Christians and Animists in East Africa that practice FGM)
mimi wrote: “Do they call for killing a daughter because of her choice in spouse?”
No, it has nothing to do with her choice. It has to do with her relationship with her parents. For a child to choose a spouse contrary to the advice and counsel of her parents means that she basically has to cut off her parents from relationship. Look at the whole dynamics of it. Instead of honoring her mother and father, she will rationalize reasons why she does not need to listen to her parents, and a family facture is created. The parents see their child in obstinate rebellion and unthankfulness toward them. Thus, according to the Koran, killing her is not manslaughter or murder. Killing her is the justified response before Allah. It helps send a message to prevent other children from dishonoring their parents and choosing to walk in rebellion and unthankfulness toward the ones who gave them life. Some people mistakenly think this has something to do with property rights and treating people as property. It really is not that at all. It is an honor killing in response to rebellion and an unthankful child.
Where is clashes with our civilized culture is that we believe the parents are wrongly taking the law into their own hands. We believe children should be allowed under law to rebel against their parents, and to be as unthankful as they want to be. The secularists do not believe this is a matter for law, but for psychologists and qualified medical professionals.
Holier-than-thou racism at work:
(What Were/Are “The Crusades”).
Karen S
And cue the apologists who claim that Christians and Americans in general are just as bad. Every time.
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The alternative is holier-than-thou racism, which is hatred clung to until it is putrefied to the point of searing the conscience.
It’s time to put Pakistan on the same level as North Korea, no Pakistani immigrants, trade Let them slip back into the dark ages
Gosh, it’s annoying when people express differing opinions.
And cue the apologists who claim that Christians and Americans in general are just as bad. Every time.
We need to start putting our money where our mouth is. We can condemn Sharia Law and honor killings all day long, but as long as we continue to give enormous amounts of aid to these countries that allow such behavior, we are really voting with our dollars.
That poor woman. The family who killed her can rot for all I care.
Outrageous
Excuse me. Where do you people live? Have any of you noticed that California is now Pakistan, China, India, Mexico, South Korea, Philippines, Iran, Ethiopia, Iraq, Vietnam, etc., etc.? There are about 200 million Americans in this country and that number has been diluted with 100 million foreigners of various “religious” beliefs. Many locals don’t use English. The coming inflation will erode the “middle class” and the barbarians are at the gate. Given the ambition and zeal of Muslims and the timidity, indecision and vacillation of Americans, Sharia law, or variations on the theme, and practices like stoning will have dominion in this country in the near future. You may want to consider classes to help you adapt.
Cultural expectations are very powerful. Atrocities can seem as natural as apple pie. How is the stoning of this woman worse than CIA torture and killings at Abu Ghraib and around the world? It’s most likely not their daughters, but the act is just as abhorrent and the suffering just as great.