Many cops, attorneys and others have used the classic good cop/bad cop tactic to try to force concessions or confessions. The key of course is not to admit that you are just doing good cop/bad cop. That seems to have escaped Iranian negotiators in the ongoing nuclear program talks who have been giving interviews bragging about how they are screaming at American and other diplomats in a good cop/bad cop ploy. Hmmmm. It is nothing like a man screaming like a lunatic to convince you that he and his country should have access to weapons-grade nuclear material.
Part of the tactic does not appear to be an act. This appears to be the signature style of Iran’s foreign minister and lead negotiator Javad Zarif. His shouting and screaming is so loud that security repeatedly came bursting into the room out of concern that there was a violent breakout. Western diplomats have been sitting back to allow Zarif to blow himself out in each of the tirades. In one incident, European Union Foreign Policy Chief Catherine Ashton assured worried security officers that it was just Zarif again and that everyone was used to it.
What really caught my eye however was that Zarif’s unprofessional outbursts were openly discussed in the Iranian press and that the Iranian team also has been discussing how they are tricking Western diplomats with the use of the good cop/bad cop tactic. No doubt, Kerry and others never heard of this tactic even though every kid watching old cop shows is well-versed in it.
Iranian diplomat Abbas Araghchi discussed how Zarif “shouted” at Kerry in a way that was likely “unprecedented” in the history of U.S. diplomacy. That appears to be a good thing and a source of pride. He then went on to brag that he and Zarif play the roles of “good cop, bad cop” to “baffle the Western diplomats” and keep them uneasy. Clever.
As if to show the triumph of Iranian diplomacy, Araghchi said that after Zarif yells at Kerry and other diplomats there is largely silence in the room except for “one or two very respectful sentences.” They appear to mistake shocked and embarrassed silence of diplomats with people are cowed by the brilliant screaming and pounding of Zarif. They will see the same reaction to people raving on the New York subway. Few people call the guy screaming about the microchip in his brain in the Penn Station “a master negotiator.” However, they may now wonder if he is an Iranian diplomat.
Source: LA Times
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In what way have I moved any goal post? I have repeatedly said that Iran should not have nukes. No suicide bombers should have nukes, either. I am unhappy that Pakistan has nukes, but there’s nothing I can do about it. At least they pretend to be our ally. Except for the whole hiding-Osama-bin-Ladin thing.
But the government does not hold press conferences about destroying the West like they do in Iran. Because if they did step up that rhetoric to be a real and present danger, things would change in a hurry.
You may be right that Iran will be nuclear weapons no matter what, but there is no excuse for apathy, doing nothing while it happens.
After the Holocaust, the world was ashamed at what they allowed to happen before they got involved.
Karen: But Taliban does say that all the times, and its birth is Pakistan and is backed by the Pakistan government in case you did not know.
Paul: I stated the fact about who used the Atom Bombs. One can keep on justifying why we did that but that is not the point of my post. Under the same breath one can also justify why we had concentration camps for the Japanese then. Facts do matter. I am sure you are aware of that.
Teji – we also had camps for Italians and Germans. Both were released later than the Japanese. BTW, only the Japanese on the West Coast were interned. There was a line down the center of Arizona, if you were east of that line you were not interned, if you were west you were. Oddly, the Japanese in Hawaii were never interned. So, I put it at the racist attitude of the governor of California at the time and FDR who signed the order.
Are you still trying to explain how it’s perfectly reasonable to arm Iran with nukes?
You are also clearly not aware that I consistently declare we should vote with our dollars instead of financially supporting countries that abuse human rights. Yes, flag burning is common in Pakistan, but the government of Pakistan has not pledged to annihilate us. If it did, obviously, that would be greatly concerning because they have nukes. They would also need to have no respect for the lives of their own citizens, because it would be suicide to any country that nuked us.
Karen: LOL, you are good at moving the goal post after having been educated about the facts. You are mistaken about the Pakistani government,one more faux pas in your understanding of Pakistani history.
Please respond to my questions in my other post to create a better understanding within yourself. It would be too naive on your part to think that ISI had no idea if Osama was living in Abbottabad, which is an army garrison, the same way you are naive about the Taliban.
BTW, do you know what a Madrasa means and what is its place of origin?
When you go to Hajj, pass through Pakistan to cultivate more understanding. 🙂
Please read my post again about Iran. No one can stop anyone from learning hence gaining knowledge. No one can stop Iran or any other country from having Nuclear energy. It is nothing but a pipe dream.
Lastly, learning something is not a bad thing but rather to the contrary.
Iranian Negotiators Brag How They Are Artfully Tricking Western Diplomats With A Good Cop/Bad Cop Tactic
Seeing that the Iranian government is a signatory (1968) of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) the Iranians as per Article IV of the NPT have no need to negotiate in any way shape or form in regard to the peaceful uses of nuclear power. (As insane as that may be based upon the inability of man to safely dispose of radioactive waste associated with the nuclear fuel cycle).
The hypocrite signatories of the NPT driving the specious negotiations still have tens of thousands of operational/deliverable nuclear weapons in direct contravention to the NPT Article VI which calls for “negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament”
The US government the world’s leading hypocrite signatory of the NPT is now planning on spending hundreds of billions of dollars to retro-fit it’s existing nuclear weapons, launch facilities and delivery vehicles. This modernization program comes on top of the trillions of dollars the US government has wasted over the preceding 70 years in the development, manufacture and deployment of nuclear weapons.
If I were an Iranian negotiator I would be yelling too.
“Persons prone to stereotyping aren’t all so bad – I’ve even dated a few,,,” But seriously, folks, we are looking at this through the sterilized microscope of Roland Hedley at the Baghdad hospital, on a routine fact-checking mission: “Any word on those aborted fetuses littering the hallways as renegades steal the machinery for roadside IEDs, Roland?” “No, it seems someone decided to stifle the Ambassador’s daughter’s right to free speech!”
Why, yes, I am. It was horrible. The Japanese had vowed to fight down to the last man, and destroy us. So we made the decision to nuke them. It was horrible, and may it never occur again. A human catastrophe.
So let’s just arm every homicidal maniac with a nuke, right? Is that the lesson we’ve learned?
If Pakistan starts declaring death to America, we’ll be in trouble, won’t we?
Shall we just give Nukes willingly to Iran, then, and cross our fingers that they didn’t really mean it when they said they would immediately destroy the West and Israel?
Sound like a reasonable gamble to you?
Sorry, but if someone says he wants to kill me the moment he can, I don’t hand him the weapon to do it with.
Karen: History does not seem to be your forte.
1. Where did Taliban take birth?
2. Are they still trying to kill us or not?
3. How much money do they charge us for all the trucks that pass through their Pakistani territory to Afghanistan for our supplies?
4.. Where was Osama when he was killed by our forces?
5.How much money do we hand to the PAkistani government?
And lastly, if you are not aware, ” Death to America” and burning our flag is very common in Pakistan.
So, what’s your point?
Karen: And I am sure you are aware which only ONE country used atom bombs.:)
Teji – You know how many lives were saved dropping those two atomic bombs?
60+ years and we still have people going back to when we used nuclear bombs twice. The world saw what those bombs do and then Chernobyl. Both were good lessons in the horror of nuclear weapons. The first to use them will set off a chain reaction destroying the world as we know it. Why does Iran want one? Israel. Just to make them nervous or to actually use them?
Did Hamas send out leaflets saying, hey, we want to fight the bad guys, so please get your innocent women and children safely away? Nope. They target them on PURPOSE. CHILDREN!!! The shame. Allah Himself must be crying.
Hamas fired 150 rockets from Gaza into Israel AND rejected a cease fire before Israel struck back. And even then they warned in advance.
Here’s the BBC showing some of the images of the devastation of Gaza were from Syria and Iraq.
Compare Hamas’ behavior towards civilians, both Palestinian and Israeli, with Israel’s and Hamas fares very badly:
I asked if you if you were for or against extremism. You refused to answer. And then you said suede bombing was for the weak and helpless.
And then you’re mad at my reaction.
You are completely misinformed about Israel. Yes, it is a tragedy when an innocent child is killed. Did I qualify it that it had to be a certain child? No, I did not.
When a Palestinian holds a child up in front of himself, and runs shooting through the street, who is at fault for the harm to the child?
I HAVE been following the crisis very closely. During WWII, we carpet bombed Germany, hitting civilians and soldiers indiscriminately. When Israel is going to bomb, they carpet the city with notices begging them to leave. Hamas is ON VIDEO telling them to stay so that there will be civilian casualties.
What other country can you name that warns where it is going to bomb, begging civilians to get out of the way?
You know who was helpless? The Jews praying in a temple when terrorists burst inside and hacked them with meat cleavers.
They were PRAYING and they were killed.
And did the Palestinian community condemn such a cowardly, reprehensible act? Nope. They partied in the street and passed out cookies.
Extremism has really swept the region. I pray that moderate Muslims get control.
Thank you, Karen for proving my points.
Refusing to answer my questions then excusing what Israel does, then justifying Israel’s murder of defenseless women and children while claiming to fight for women and children, putting false words in my mouth to frame me exactly as your islamphobia demands, then displaying A HUGE level of intellectual and moral dishonesty by circling the same fallacies, the same accusations where most of them have been disproven…
You have confirmed that you do not really care about human beings, you only care about Islam and framing it as dangerous and evil, just like your idol Ayaan Ali.
To summarize your point, when a Palestinian kills an israeli, it is horrific, yet when Israel kills 2000 palestinians, mostly women and children, it is justifiable! Wow! WOw! WOW! Fascinating! If you justify the following, then friend, you have lost the right to any claim to humanism!
Okay, read the following and let me know what you think. I am sure you’ll manage to rationalize it, which will confirm, once more, my points all along.
Note: This was only during the recent Gaza invasion, does not include 60 years worth of Israeli war crimes against the Palestinians.
Here is a summary of the crimes, as defined in the Rome Statute, that Israeli leaders have committed and U.S. leaders have aided and abetted:
(1) Willful killing: Israeli forces have killed nearly 2,000 Palestinians (more than 400 children and over 80 percent civilians). Israel used 155-millimeter artillery, which, according to Human Rights Watch, is “utterly inappropriate in a densely populated area, because this kind of artillery is considered accurate if it lands anyplace within a 50-meter radius.”
(2) Willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health: Nearly10,000 people, 2,500 of them children, have been wounded. Naban Abu Shaar told the Daily Beast that the dead bodies from what appeared to be a “mass execution” in Khuza’a looked like they were “melted” and were piled on top of each other; assault rifle bullet casings found in the house were marked “IMI” (Israel Military Industries).
UNICEF said the Israeli offensive has had a “catastrophic and tragic impact” on children in Gaza; about 373,000 children have had traumatic experiences and need psychological help. The UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) said: “There’s a public health catastrophe going on. You know, most of the medical facilities in Gaza are non-operational.”
(3) Unlawful and wanton, extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity: Tens of thousands of Palestinians have lost their homes. More than 1,300 buildings were destroyed and 752 were severely damaged. Damage to sewer and water infrastructure has affected two-thirds of Gazans. On July 20, Israeli forces virtually flattened the small town of Khuza’a; one man counted 360 shell attacks in one hour.
Reconstruction of Gaza is estimated to cost $6 billion. Israel shrunk Gaza’s habitable land mass by 44 percent, establishing a 3 km “no-go” zone for Palestinians; 147 square miles of land will be compressed into 82 square miles. Oxfam described the level of destruction as “outrageous … much worse than anything we have seen in previous [Israeli] military operations.”
(4) Willfully depriving a prisoner of war or a civilian the rights of fair and regular trial: Nearly 2,000 Palestinians were arrested by Israeli forces during July 2014, according to the Palestinian Prisoners Center for Studies. Prisoners include 15 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council, about 240 children, dozens of women, journalists, activists, academics and 62 former prisoners previously released in a prisoner exchange.
Israeli forces executed many prisoners after arrest, either by directly firing on them, refusing to allow treatment or allowing them to bleed to death. More than 445 prisoners are being held without charge or trial under administrative detention.
(5) Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population, civilian objects, or humanitarian vehicles, installations and personnel: “The civilian population in the Gaza Strip is under direct attack,” reads a joint declaration of over 150 international law experts. Israeli forces violated the principle of “distinction,” which forbids deliberate attacks on civilians or civilian objects.
Israeli forces bombed 142 schools (89 run by the UN), including six UN schools in which civilians were taking refuge. Israeli forces shot and killed fleeing civilians (warnings, which must effectively give civilians time to flee before bombing, do not relieve Israel from its legal obligations not to target civilians). Israeli forces repeatedly bombed Gaza’s only power plant and other infrastructure, which are “beyond repair.” Israeli forces bombed one-third of Gaza’s hospitals, 14 primary healthcare clinics and 29 ambulances. At least five medical staff were killed and tens of others were injured.
(6) Intentionally launching attacks with knowledge they will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or long-term severe damage to the natural environment, if they are clearly excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage: The principle of “proportionality” forbids disproportionate and excessive civilian casualties compared to the claimed military advantage gained in the attack.
The Dahiye Doctrine directly violates this principle. Responding to Hamas’ rockets with 155-millimeter artillery is disproportionate. Although nearly 2,000 Palestinians (over 80 percent civilians) have been killed, 67 Israelis (all but three of them soldiers) have been killed. The coordinates of all UN facilities were repeatedly communicated to the Israeli forces; they nevertheless bombed them multiple times. Civilians were attacked in Shuja’iyyah market.
(7) Attacking or bombarding undefended towns, villages, dwellings or buildings, or intentionally attacking religious, educational and medical buildings, which are not military objectives: On July 20, Israeli forces virtually flattened the small town of Khuza’a; one man counted 360 shell attacks in one hour. Israeli forces bombed 142 schools (89 run by the UN), one-third of Gaza’s hospitals, 14 primary healthcare clinics, and 29 ambulances. Israeli shelling completely destroyed 41 mosques and partially destroyed 120 mosques.
(a) With the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group: Palestinians, including primarily civilians, and Palestinian infrastructure necessary to sustain life were deliberately targeted by Israeli forces.
(b) The commission of any of the following acts
(i) killing members of the group: Israeli forces killed nearly 2,000 Palestinians.
(ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group: Israeli forces wounded 10,000 Palestinians.
(iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its destruction in whole or in part: Israeli forces devastated Gaza’s infrastructure, knocking out Gaza’s only power plant, and destroying homes, schools, buildings, mosques and hospitals.
Crimes against humanity
(A) The commission of murder as part of a widespread or systematic attack against any civilian population: Israeli forces relentlessly bombed Gaza for one month, killing nearly 2,000 Palestinians, more than 80 percent of whom were civilians. Israeli forces intentionally destroyed Gaza’s infrastructure, knocking out Gaza’s only power plant, and destroying homes, schools, buildings, mosques and hospitals.
(B) Persecution against a group or collectivity based on its political, racial, national, ethnic or religious character, as part of a widespread or systematic attack against any civilian population: Israeli forces killed, wounded, summarily executed, and administratively detained Palestinians, Hamas forces and civilians alike. Israel forces intentionally destroyed the infrastructure of Gaza, populated by Palestinians.
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said: “the massive death and destruction in Gaza have shocked and shamed the world.” He added the repeated bombing of UN shelters facilities in Gaza was “outrageous, unacceptable and unjustifiable.”
(C) The crime of apartheid (inhumane acts committed in the context of an institutional regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over another racial group, with the intent to maintain that regime): Ali Hayek, head of Gaza’s federation of industries representing 3,900 businesses that employ 35,000 people, said: “After 30 days of war, the economic situation has become, like, dead. It seems the occupation intentionally destroyed these vital factories that constitute the backbone of the society.”
Israel maintains an illegal barrier wall that encroaches on Palestinian territory and builds illegal Jewish settlements on Palestinian lands. Israel keeps Gazans caged in what many call “the world’s largest open air prison.” Israel controls all ingress and egress to Gaza, limits Gazans’ access to medicine, subjects Palestinians to arbitrary arrest, expropriates their property, maintains separate areas and roads, segregated housing, different legal and educational systems for Palestinians and Jews and prevents mixed marriages. Only Jews, not Palestinians, have the right to return to Israel-Palestine.
Although the Rome Statute does not include the crime of collective punishment, it is considered a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which constitutes a war crime. Collective punishment means punishing a civilian for an offense he or she has not personally committed; it forbids reprisals against civilians and their property (civilian objects).
Ostensibly to root out Hamas fighters, Israel has wreaked unprecedented devastation on the people of Gaza, killing nearly 2,000 people (more than 80 percent of them civilians) and destroying much of the infrastructure of Gaza. This constitutes collective punishment.
On Aug. 5, 2014, veteran Israeli military advisor Giora Eiland advocated collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, saying: “In order to guarantee our interests versus the other side’s demands, we must avoid the artificial, wrong and dangerous distinction between the Hamas people, who are ‘the bad guys,’ and Gaza’s residents, which are allegedly ‘the good guys.’” That is precisely the strategy Israel has employed during Operation Protective Edge.
Israel’s occupation of Palestinian lands also constitutes collective punishment. Israel maintains effective control over Gaza’s land, airspace, seaport, electricity, water, telecommunications and population registry. Israel deprives Gazans of food, medicine, fuel and basic services.
po – you forgot to list the Hamas war crimes. Fair is fair.
And, yes, I have followed the crisis in Israel, watched video of Palestinians using human shields. It’s pathetic.
Hamas and the PA have both admitted that they will never accept the existence of a non-Muslim state. Never. Israel can keep giving them land, and they will never be satisfied. I have heard with my own ears these repeated statements.
How do you negotiate with someone who only craves your death? Meet them halfway?
“By the way, it is widely recognized, by honest folks that is, that suicide bombing is the tool of the weak and powerless.”
Ummmmm. No. There is no excuse in this Earth for bombing innocent civilians, including children. I recently watched a video where a terrorist deliberately ran over a 3 month old baby. Another where the driver blowed into a crowd of civilians at a bus stop and stabbed women to death.
I don’t care if you are campaigning to end the abuse of innocent puppies. You don’t deliberately kill a child and call yourself brave.
The lowest cowards destined straight for hell murder children waiting at a bus stop in the name of the cause. Gutless wonders hold a child up in front of themselves as a human shield as they run through the street, shooting at Israeli soldiers.
I cannot believe you are excusing this, but that explains a lot. You have refused to answer what I believe to be an easily answered question – are you for or against extremism. Failure to answer is assumed assent.
Thank you for clarifying.
Are you for or against extremism? For or against Sharia Law? For or against violence in the name of Islam? For or against the destruction of Israel? Do you believe that any criticism of extremist Islam is anti-Islam or wrong in some way?
Do you believe that non-Muslims have to right to complain about what extremists are doing? Do you feel that Muslims like Ayaan Ali have no right to complain because that is unIslamic or makes her an apostate? Do you support attempts to silence Ms Ali?
For example, I was raised Catholic. When the pedophile priest scandal broke, I was loudly outraged and complained. That did not make me anti-Christian or anti-Catholic; it made me right.
I will gladly answer your questions, again, AFTER you answer mine before.
To help you out, I’ll repost them below:
If you refuse to be blind to extremism, then see the extremism of Israel when members of the Knesset call for the massacring of Palestinians, of rabbis here and there calling too for the massacre of Palestinians and the rape of their women, see the bombing of 4 hospitals in Gaza, including a children’s hospital. see the bombing of 4 boys playing soccer on the beach, see the blowing up of civilians and the ambulances coming to their rescue. See the settlers who come to a village, protected by the Israeli army, take over home and land, uproot the trees, shoot some young people, lock up others. See that in Israel, if you are not Jewish, your marriage is not recognized by the state. See that for every “terrorist” act you blame Palestinians for, Israelis have done 10 you refused to see. See the orthodox jews who are driving Israel social and political policies that demand all the land, and subjugate their own women, who are not allowed to pray at the wall.
See, see the US government your government invading countries and destroying them at the tunes of thousands of pounds of bombs. See Falluja, where every newborn is disformed and misshapen, thanks to the US army weaponry and its use of depleted uranium, against rules of war. See the hundred of thousands of dead Iraqis thanks to your government, the chaotic environment it created and the vacuum in which sprung up ISIS.
If you are gonna see one, see all, for otherwise, friend, you are being hypocritical.
The centrifuges were for enriching uranium to the levels used to make a nuclear bomb. Peaceful nuclear energy does not need those levels.
Okay, go tell that to Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea and then get back at me about Iran!
And apparently you are unaware that it is well documented that Hamas uses human shields. They hide weapons at UN schools who employ Hamas teachers. They use ambulances to transport terrorists and bombs.
Actually, Karen, that is BS. The UN itself investigated and found that THERE IS NO PROOF THAT HAMAS USED HUMAN SHIELDS.
WHat is has found however, is that Isreael does in fact use Palestinians as human shields. There are pictures to prove it too. How do you address that?
I am awaiting your answer.
Are you also suggesting that Israel is allowed to blow up hospitals and ambulance because, supposedly, they transport bombs?
So the number of women and children killed inside ambulances and hospitals deserved it?
For someone who supports the causes of womanhood, you can justify this?
What about the 4 children on the beach, there was no ambulance there?
Also, if you are going to keep riding that dead horse of yours about them and us, and Israel and Palestine and shariah law and the like, address my issues above, so we can go on from there.
Otherwise you keep reiterating the same fallacies you have been since I first met you here and refuse to address any of my questions.
By the way, it is widely recognized, by honest folks that is, that suicide bombing is the tool of the weak and powerless. People who have the power do no kill themselves to harm others. The US and Israel need not for they can just lob bombs and missiles upon a trapped people, no need for suicide bombing.
Non-muslims pioneered it, and it is only recently that it has been used by muslim extremists. Matter of fact, Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, strongly forbids suicide.
Who is the extremist? The one who blows up a cafe or the one who blows up a whole city, and hospitals? Where are your tears for the over 2000 civilians killed in Gaza by Israel? Where is you horror and your anger?
Where is your anger and furor at the 1000000 Iranians killed by Sadaam with the support of the US?
Where is your anger and rage at the hundred of thousands of Afghanis killed by US forces, including the 17 people, mainly women and children killed by one US army man? Is he a terrorist too?
Islamist terrorists have killed a fraction of the number of people killed at the hand of the US, show your horror to that!
A man, Albert Woodfox, has served 42 years of solitary confinement, show your outrage at that.
A black man/kid is killed by police every 28 hours in this country, show your outrage at that.
Otherwise, Karen, your outrage is selective and seems to focus solely, laser beam like, on Islam.
You’re repeatedly telling me I hate Islam every time I criticize extremists for beheading people in the name of the faith does not make it true. It is a poor reflection on you.
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