The news continues to grow worse over global warming. The Peru meeting revealed new research showing that time is running out for humanity to act on climate change. Now to new reports indicate that we may have underestimate the rate of loss on the huge ice sheet of West Antarctica — new calculations under global warming could mean a rise in global sea levels of as much as 23 feet. That would create massive changes in the coasts of the world.
The research indicates that prior computer modeling efforts did not capture the full dynamics of what is happening with these ice sheets during global warming. The difference is immense when one considers that the Greenland ice sheet is 656,000 square miles long with an average thickness of over a mile. If that ice melts at a faster rate, it would result in costly global changes, including the loss of cities and islands.
The more complex models shows that the dimensions of the topography and melting factors should result in a much faster meltdown.
The first new study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences by scientists at the University at Buffalo and several other institutions, used laser altimetry to measure almost 100,000 elevation points atop the Greenland ice sheet. The result is confirmation of a much higher melting process of about .68 millimeters of annual sea level rise rather than the previously estimated .29 millimeters per year.
A second student in Nature Climate Change by Amber Leeson from the University of Leeds looked at “supraglacial lakes,” which form atop the Greenland ice sheet. These lakes suddenly vanish through “moulins,” or crevasses, that plunge to depths far below the ice sheet. The study indicates that these lakes (which hold greater heat) will become more extensive with global warming and, through draining, accelerate melting.
There of course remain those who refuse to accept the vast majority of scientific researcher and experts on the fact of climate change. However, the concern is that we are passing a redline that divides an unpleasant world from an uninhabitable one.)
The result from Lima is being heralded as an improvement in securing agreement but the details show a substantial lack of consensus, including a refusal of countries to agree on a uniform way of accounting for emissions cuts. That is a critical issue since goals are meaningless if there is not uniform measuring of cuts. It was still more productive than past meetings but scientists warn that time is of the essence as the world continues to debate the most basic elements of a system of reduction of emissions.
Source: Washington Post
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http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,918620,00.html
WEATHER: The Big Freeze
Monday, Jan. 31, 1977
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Why had the rain turned white? Startled millionaires wintering in their baronial mansions in West Palm Beach, Fla., peered closer last week at the miracle that was falling from the skies and discovered—could it be?—yes, the substance was snow, the first ever reported there. Since mid-November, pedestrians in Dallas, unaccustomed to such hazards, have been slipping on sleet-slicked sidewalks. Meanwhile, a series of blizzards has smothered Buffalo this winter with an astonishing 126.6 in. of snow.
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Msjettex, I never realized that TIME was a peer reviewed journal! My bad obviously. If you take this article seriously, I can understand why you cannot understand the fact of global warming.
Darren, You are pandering to a dissembler who was called on his dissembling. READ THE RECORD. He called myself and others “haters” based on lies and lied about myself and others. I proved his lies. I did so directly, and in my estimation, prudently. I IGNORED this trolls vapid, incessant and taunting questions to me for 5 months. Then he blatantly lied. That is what should be unacceptable to you! Don’t be an enabler. If someone is going to LIE about me, or to me, they get both barrels. Good bye and good riddance. But, we know he’ll be back, just under another name. Then, you can coddle him once more.
Max1: When humans call me a dirty dog then I just curl me ears and ignore the astardBays. Being on a blog is like being on a log on the Mississippi. Sometimes, like Huck and Jim, one has to roll off and hop on another log and keep on cruising down river. It where the Ohio runs into the Mississippi that one has problems. One can turn north and end up in the deep South in Cairo. Or one can keep heading south and end up in Arkansas like Hillary did. Never the Twain shall meet. But, stick around Max and just let the water roll off your back and ignore the caped cruisaders. We gotta deal with Bushell3 which is coming soon to a theatre near you. Just watch where you step there can be itShay anywhere and one can not always blame the dogs.
When Bushell3 gets voted in the global warming thing will get speeded up because we will have a nuclear war. Who wins will be determined by who gets flooded out quicker.
Mr Turley,
I’ll continue to support you and your hard work.
I can not support your blog site. Freedom of speech comes with little accountability here and is far too welcoming to disruptive people who get off on abusing your site to bash others here. I am not the only one who’s encountered this and as long as the trouble makers persist, others, too, will be driven off. It is a trend… and not a good one. Perhaps you will ban those who’ve abused your site and that would be a good thing for others who happen to feel they may want to say something and contribute as adults with out the fear of childish pranks from some regulars here. The names and accusations thrown around by particular people is intolerable and just can’t be entertained by me any longer. There is no respect here. Good bye and good luck.
Max-1
I hope that at some point you can return here to offer your views and suggestions. You have an important voice that is representative of many others and it is something that I welcome.
As in any case where there are those who have rather unacceptable forms of address it is best, though I recognize difficult, to simply ignore them. There are always going to be those who are . They are really the minority of those out there. Most others are informed and objective. We write articles and comments for those who have a proper approach to the issues, for they are four orders of magnitude greater in number.
I sincerely hope to see you here once again.
Darren
To the science deniers here… good bye.
My time is up. You enjoy making life miserable for others with your sophomoric attacks. Many times in life we meet people who just can’t or won’t grow up and insist on bully tactics. I hoped that Mr. Turley would have cleaned up this childish b.s.
I know where I am not wanted.
Our future is in our hands and some prefer secured cabins on the Titanic.
Enjoy you voyage.
You’ll applaud and congratulate yourselves with greatest self congratulations at my departure, when really it’s all one big circle jerk here nowadays, anyway.
Good bye, I’ve overstayed my unwelcome.
I think it is clear that climate science is an ongoing process of discovery. Lots of $$$ make it tempting to be shady about conclusions. The sun’s variability ( just that one factor ) could move earth’s climate in either direction. The sun is NOT totally understood.
I keep my house at 13C in the winter and I A/C one room in the summer. I drive my car 5K miles per year ( 35 mpg ). I recycle more than you can imagine, I use materials I find in dumpsters for home repair. Just because I like to.
Years ago I completely blew my impact contribution to the ecology by ( reluctantly ) having two children with a woman I am no longer married to. That is two more life-long consumers who along with me and 7,000,000,000 other consumers are altering the earth forever.
Gus in Denver #ActivistFantasies
Jim, The bigger issue is that Max is factually incorrect. I busted on JT regarding his environmental philosophy on this thread, and another thread, TODAY. And, I’m on the record numerous times doing the same over the last 2 plus years. Further, this guy lied on the CIA thread, which I documented. He’s not worth engaging. I almost always ignore his vapid and incessant questions to me. But, I felt compelled to expose his lie on the CIA thread and his factually incorrect assertion here. Some people don’t have the gravitas and seek negative attention, the only type they are capable of getting. So, I urge completely ignoring this discredited person.
The process of science is settled; not all of it’s conclusions are. Although, some findings of science will not be proven wrong. Such as the Earth is essentially spherical.
No the world’s governments would not interfere Gigi, because most of them like ours, are bought and paid for by BIG OIL and they instead pump out propaganda saying that global warming from greenhouse gasses is not happening.
I smell propaganda and political deception of the people whenever money is involved. This latest scare tactic has led financially strapped countries to contribute millions-billions of dollars to the global warming cause. For what? To line the pockets of scientists, politicians, and world government who are enhancing this hoax.
If we have passed the proverbial red line, as one blogger stated, then our world governments would be putting a ban on driving on certain days, putting more electric/natural gas run public transportation on the streets of cities, designing towns where people walk everywhere, and more. But then those countries would be even bigger big brother governments controlling peoples lives. Of course, most government officials love this idea.
The UN has also put their finger in the money pie, so all these big government entities get richer and the taxpayer continues to suffer.
There are too many scientists on both sides of this issue, so more studies are needed.
Max-1 – “Dear Nick
What is Mr Turley’s post if not propaganda, yes?
I mean, I agree with him and you and your H8R clan berate facts and call people names. Yet, reserve such H8 not for Mr Turley. Cake and eat it too?”
Who’s calling anyone names? But you played the typical liberal card, we don’t agree with you so we are haters or if your cool H8R’Z. I don’t usually address Mr. Turley because he doesn’t to my knowledge engage in discussion.
does anyone do the math? 0.68 millimeters is .0268″. Lets at least put a rise of 0.0268″/year in perspective. It would take hundred years to raise the sea level 2.5″. In 500 years it would rise 12″.
I would think that in the next 500 years we will have sufficient technology to reduce carbon emissions if that actually is the cause. The 800 pound gorilla in the room which everyone seems to ignore is the sun.
Global Warming is a political philosophy.
New Studies: Global Warming To Cause Much Faster Melting In Antarctica With Possible Rise of 23 Feet In Sea Levels
This is very old news. Earth’s sea levels have risen roughly 383 feet (and rising) over the preceding 20,000 years since the beginning of the end of the last ice age.
Climate alarmists know no bounds in attempting to bamboozle a scientifically illiterate people with fear into believing that human generated co2 emissions are driving Earth’s climate and sea level rise.
Excerpted from:
Sea Level Rise, After the Ice Melted and Today
By Vivien Gornitz — January 2007
Massive ice sheets covered parts of North America, northern Europe, and several other regions during the last ice age. This huge volume of ice lowered global sea level by around 120 meters as compared to today. After the ice sheets began to melt and retreat, sea level rose rapidly, with several periods of even faster spurts. The first such spurt may have started about 19,000 years ago, at which time ocean levels rose 10-15 m in less than 500 years.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/
“How much “science” do you know?”
Max,
Settled or unsettled? Do you want that in gallons, metric tons, credit hours, words read? How about oodles?
As with most topics in this blog, a good sense of smell is what is really necessary.
DBQ, I know, I know. This is my 5th trip to Mexico and 2nd bout. I know the Marriott where we stayed was safe. We went downtown and I had a margarita in a bar owned by an American ASU grad. Knowing how sketchy PaulS is, I should have known better than order a margarita! The guy had a big Sun Devil tattooed on his calf.
Sandi,
Amazing. What makes you think JT hasn’t based his opinions on facts from sources he trusts?
Professor Turley, my husband has a degree in Physics and years with the Navy, an officer on a nuclear sub. Getting a degree in physics is no big deal now. But the years of nuclear study with the Navy, along with the fact that if you study physics, you do so for the rest of your life, gives him more knowledge than most. His Christmas list has yet another book on the subject.
In your very first paragraph you used the word “underestimated.” The “estimated” portion of that word is key. In the 79’s we were going to be frozen by now, totally. It was “estimated” that the states if Washington and Oregon would be under glaciers, the CA coastline gonel. I don’t remember much more, but Time had it as a cover story in 1975ish. Since they were totally wrong then, why are the “estimates” now given such credibility?
I listened to an hour on Fox wth a British (frankly, don’t remember his title) gentleman and Ambassador Bolton debating this on Glenn Beck’s TV show. My husband watched also, no Glenn Beck fan, but a natural interest in the discussion. So while most of your fans are yelling about Glenn Beck’s anything, he hosted is all. But there were charts and statistics,mumbo jumbo to me, but completely understood by my husband. When over, my husband said it was the best explanation of what was being argued he’d seen. We kept it on our system, but something happened and it was lost. I’m sure Fox would make that available to you. Without commercials, it’s probably 45 minutes of well-used time. The difference for me was the facts. Charts of ocean changes, temperatures, etc. But understandable to me. I wish everyone could see it.
Will mankind do something to make our planet unhabitable? That is certainly possible. But we cannot control weather. The temperature, storms, where water rains, nature rules that. This is all “chicken little” to me. But more importantly it’s a way to give power to governments. To control what you do and how you live, because government and some scientists believe.
What we decide must be done might make slaves of everyone in 100 years,because government can control everything. Education in physics and nuclear energy nosy be denied. That is my only fear. What will governments do to keep power for certain members of society and not others. Let Peru do what it wants. Let every country do what they want. We cannot force them. And we would be complete suckers to have destroyed the best country in the world.
And, I’m doing this running to the bano after getting Montezuma’s revenge.
I TOLD you not to drink the water or use the ice cubes.
:-O