United Nations Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn Trump’s Announced Embassy Move To Jerusalem

170px-Emblem_of_the_United_Nations.svgDespite the threat that the Administration was “taking names” of any country that voted to condemn the move of the United States embassy to Jerusalem, Some 128 countries voted to do so.  Only nine voted “no” with another 35 countries abstaining, including Mexico and Canada.  Our allies of France and England joined in voting for the resolution.  The nine negative votes came from US, Israel, Guatemala, Honduras, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau and Togo.

Screen-Shot-2017-12-21-at-7.38.24-PM-e1513878910566-640x400US Ambassador Nikki Haley issued a direct threat against what is the vast majority of the United Nations:  “The United States will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in this assembly . . . We will remember it when we are called upon to once again make the world’s largest contribution” to the United Nations.  Haley also suggested that the vote would be considered in whether the United States is asked “to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit.”
Putting aside the merits of the controversy, it strikes me as a problematic argument to advance that we pay into the United Nations so long as they vote the way that we dictate.  It belittles not just the institution but our allies.
Here is the resolution:

The General Assembly,

Reaffirming its relevant resolutions, including resolution A/RES/72/15 of 30 November 2017 on Jerusalem.

Reaffirming the relevant resolutions of the Security Council, including resolutions 242 (1967), 252 (1968), 267 (1969), 298 (1971), 338 (1973), 446 (1979), 465 (1980), 476 (1980), 478 (1980), and 2334 (2016),

Guided by the purpose and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,

Bearing in mind the specific status of the Holy City of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for the protection and preservation of the unique spiritual, religious and cultural dimensions of the City, as foreseen in the relevant United Nations resolutions,

Stressing that Jerusalem is a final status issue to be resolved through negotiations in line with relevant United Nations resolutions,

Expressing in this regard its deep regret at recent decisions concerning the status of Jerusalem,

Affirms that any decisions and actions which purport to have altered, the character, status or demographic composition of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal effect, are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with relevant resolutions of the Security Council, and in this regard, calls upon all States to refrain from the establishment of diplomatic missions in the Holy City of Jerusalem, pursuant to resolution 478 (1980) of the Security Council;

Demands that all States comply with Security Council resolutions regarding the Holy City of Jerusalem, and not to recognize any actions or measures contrary to those resolutions;

Reiterates its call for the reversal of  the negative trends on the ground that are imperiling the two-State solution and for the intensification and acceleration of international and regional efforts and support aimed at achieving, without delay, a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions, the Madrid terms of reference, including the principle of land for peace, the Arab Peace Initiative and the Quartet Roadmap and an end to the Israeli occupation that began in 1967;

Decides to adjourn the tenth emergency special session temporarily and to authorize the President of the General Assembly at its most recent session to resume its meeting upon request from Member States.

167 thoughts on “United Nations Votes Overwhelmingly To Condemn Trump’s Announced Embassy Move To Jerusalem”

  1. The main nitwit who started all this American involvement was Woodrow Wilson. He proclaimed that “We Must Make The World Safe For Democracy”.
    We need a President who will strive to make America Safe From The World.
    End all foreign aid.
    Abandon the United Nations and NATO and SEATO or what ever that third one is called.
    Pull out all troops from around the world.
    End sanctuary cites. Wall them off if need be.
    Build a Wall on the southern border of the U.S.
    Throw out illegal aliens.
    Or kill them.
    Make America Great Donald! Or we will find someone more radical than you are.

    1. And put Liberty Second on the list. Not First. Liberty is for those who deserve to be free.

    2. We need a President who will strive to make America Safe From The World.

      Have Americans always been this cowardly? I seem to remember a time when they didn’t tremble like a bunch of terrified rabbits (with guns).

  2. Nikki Haley is a petulant immature child. A national embarrassment.

    “Though at first glance it sounds straight out of The Onion, Nikki Haley has formally invited the 64 countries who either voted ‘against’ or abstained (or just didn’t show up) for Thursday’s UN General Assembly vote on the Jerusalem resolution to a “friendship” party.”


      1. I’d read that Netanyahu’s coalition did extremely well among Jewish voters in the occupied territories garnering huge majorities in the last elections.

        How did they do among non-Jewish voters? Who knows? They couldn’t vote because they’re not Jewish.

        That’s not democracy. That’s not even close.

          1. Hardly. But that’s besides the point.

            Unless, of course, you’re taking the blatantly Jewish supremacist route and arguing that not being Jewish somehow equates to being a felon. How very Israeli of you.

            Tell us: Was South Africa a democracy too?

              1. Ahhh… Collective guilt and punishment. That was a pretty popular concept in Europe in the 1930s. It’s strange (and disturbing) that so many descendants of those murdered as a result of that argument would so eagerly embrace it in the 21st century.

                But voting rights in the occupied territories aren’t determined by membership in the PLO or Hamas – or conviction any crime. It’s solely based on being Jewish or not. So is not being Jewish is some sort felony?

                  1. “shoot every damn one of the gang”

                    Does that mean those actually lobbing the “rockets” or does that also include punishing the families of suspects and those of the same religion/ethnicity?

                    Because the latter sounds a whole lot like Sippenhaft. To quote an expert on the concept:

                    When they placed a family under the ban and declared it outlawed or when there was a blood feud in the family, they were utterly consistent…. This man has committed treason; his blood is bad; there is traitor’s blood in him; that must be wiped out. And in the blood feud the entire clan was wiped out down to the last member. And so, too, will Count Stauffenberg’s family be wiped out down to the last member. Heinrich Himmler, 1944

                    Of course, the concept of collective guilt and punishment is far older than the Third Reich. For some, it is even a cornerstone of their religion. Of course, the Israelites of legend only wanted to kill every first born non-Jewish child in Egypt while modern Israelis (and at least one of their defenders) apparently want to “shoot every damn one of the gang.”

                  2. Nope. American English from childhood. You should try it.

                    We actually spell out our words and try to make cogent arguments instead of resorting to cryptic abbreviations when the bloodthirsty bigotry of an argument is exposed.

                    1. Is it official Hasbara training to so desperately try to change the subject when your arguments have been found wanting or is that just your own personal style? And the only thing you could come up with is that I can’t speak English? Very. Weak. Sauce.

                      I’m done with you. Have a nice day.

                    2. fiver:
                      I just implied that either you can’t comprehend basic English or that you have employed some non sequitur hyperbole in rebuttal having no logical reply to make. Can’t blame you: it’s tough defending terrorists on rational grounds. Somehow, you did manage to prove Samuel Johnson utterly wrong though. Patriotism isn’t the last refuge of scoundrels, injecting little kids and old people into the debate in a transparent appeal to emotion most surely is.

                    3. Typical Hasbara cowardice – yet still a bit too obvious (your training is slipping). You wait four hours to respond despite otherwise being active on this and other threads on this site; you still refuse to address the nearly effortless destruction of your bloodthirsty propaganda; and yet you still have nothing other than to try to sneak in yet another ad hominem attack.

                      So? What is it? Are Israeli, Himmler’s – and, quite obviously, your – notions of collective guilt and punishment valid… or not? (like you’re not going to run and hide… again)

                      But be careful, not everyone believes that only the self-proclaimed “Chosen People of God” deserve basic human rights (btw, I just talked to God; She said you were full of it). Not everyone believes in Jewish Supremacy; most don’t. Most people, including many, many American and Israeli Jews, still believe that all human lives should matter equally – even if they are not Jewish.

                      I’ve obviously changed my mind. I’m not done with you yet. Bigots should still be fought even when they are so easily and repeatedly beaten. But, for now, I’m going to relax, then sleep. I’d wish you a good night, but the thought of your wet dreams of “shooting every damn one” of the goyim is really a bit much.

                      All I can do is wish you peace. As-salāmu ʿalaykum.

                    4. Anyone who uses the term “hasbara” as an ad hominem is a pro-Nazi, pro-Islamoterrorist, and an anti-Semitic creature of the lowest order. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. So, Mepo, none of your arguments based on facts and evidence will gain any traction with fiver. He is what he is and there’s no changing what he is. So even if you perfume a pile of crap, it’s still a pile of crap.

      2. Americans, living in an oligarchy, are in no position to judge other nation’s political structuring. 67% of Americans oppose the recently passed tax bill that rewards Trump’s benefactors. Trump is President despite a majority of the people, voting for his opponent. Trump and Congress, similar to the intent of Christie’s orange pylons, used the tax law to punish people in the states that supported his political rival.

          1. She doesn’t even know what oligarchy means. She just sticks it in every comment like it’s a high value Scrabble word.

            1. Janet Yellen, when asked, appeared unwilling to rule out the description of the U.S. as an oligarchy.

          2. The American people had become fed up with oligarchy. Trump’s election was the voters jumping from the frying pan into the fire.

        1. Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not “like[] to stone women to death” despite the commands of the Bible.

          But that’s no surprise. I live in the 21st century not in some bigoted, genocidal, Bronze Age time-bubble. In my world (which is spherical, not flat), stoning people is an atrocity and not a sign of holy devotion.

            1. I reject most “law” stemming from the Torah. To me, your inter-Semitic squabbles are merely an excuse for barbarism that enlightened human society has rejected for centuries.

              I’ll not be dragged into a fight between equally barbaric bigots, and I’m humiliated that my country has eagerly embraced intervention on behalf of the barbaric bigots who hate and demean us the most.

              “Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created.
              In Israel, death has no dominion over them…With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but (God) will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant…That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew. Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.

              Ovadia Yosef, Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel 1973-1983, founder and long-time spiritual leader of Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Shas party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef#Non-Jews'_role

              “A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail”

              Dov Lior, Chief Rabbi of Hebron and Kiryat Arba in the southern West Bank and head of the Council of Rabbis of Judea and Samaria. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel#Religious_racism

              Sharia law is nothing. A bogeyman. No Navy. No Air force. No nukes. And, most importantly, little to no influence on my country, its media, or its laws.

              Hasbara lies and money, on the other hand, affect me and my country in many ways.

              … and I wholly reject the notion that the U.S. should be an Israeli donkey.

              1. In other words ,fiver, you accept Sharia Law and Its barbaric treatment of women and subjugation of other people’s. You don,t reject the Muslim Brotherhood memorandum calling for the west’s destruction.

                At least you are honest and let people know who you are and what you intend to do.

                Everyone should take note.

                1. Nope.

                  I completely reject Sharia or any other religious law including the barbaric treatment of women by fundamentalist Muslims, Christians and Jews.

                  Thought that was pretty clear. Didn’t my last comment post correctly? It looks fine now.

                  Do you accept the fundamentalist notion that “a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail”? Or that non-Jews place in the world is “to serve the People of Israel”?

                  Or are these some of the religious “truths” that you’re just not allowed support in public?

                  1. No, your statement was deliberately guarded attempting to downgrade the effects of Sharia law explaining it had no nukes and Sharia was nothing when it is indeed very significant and dangerous. Such rhetoric is quite clear and the revised statement sounds more like taqiyya (lying) than honesty. Your quotes represented a dishonest characterization of a people whose collective actions have been mostly peaceful and very productive. The actions of the Islamists and those that promote or support Sharia Law and the Muslim Brotherhood are quite different as we can note in the violence that we see along with the threats that are constantly made.

                    I take note that you didn’t bother to disassociate yourself from the Muslim Brotherhood.

                    I take individual comments such as the ones you quote above as stupid comments of stupid individuals that do not represent their own people.

                    1. If it’s good for the goose it’s good for the gander.

                      You are all over this thread (and I’m sure other threads) labeling all non-Jews with the comments of a radical few, yet, when it’s pointed out that the Israeli right despises 98% of Americans (and all other human beings) simply for not being Jewish, you whine about the unfairness.

                      Repeatedly, you have accused me of supporting the Muslim Brotherhood despite quite explicit denials, and despite the fact that none of my comments even remotely suggest such a thing. Why is that? Surely your hasbara (lying to the goyim) training gives you more options… unless, of course, it doesn’t.

                      I suppose that when you’re defending a totalitarian, bigoted society to an audience of those hated and degraded by that very same bigoted society, lies and false accusations are all you’ve got.

                      And when in the heck did Israeli society become “peaceful”? Since the imposition of the state of Israel on the world, what is the longest time period in which Israel has not attacked its neighbors? Israel still fear mongers about nonexistent Iranian nukes (while U.S. media conveniently never mentions Israel’s nuclear program stolen from the U.S. by traitors with a singular loyalty), yet Iran hasn’t attacked it’s neighbors in well over 100 years.

                      In its entire history, I doubt the state of Israel has even gone 100 months. But, hey, as the Torah teaches, killing the non-Jews and taking their stuff makes Yah·weh very, very aroused.

                      Burn any teenagers alive lately? ‘Cause your God (the very same God worshiped by the Muslim Brotherhood) seems to love that stuff. I’d take note that you haven’t bothered to disassociate yourself from this monstrous fictional entity.


                    2. fiver – wasn’t there an Iran-Iraq War? And Iran is generally considered to have nukes along with a couple of other countries that deny it. There are countries we know have nukes and countries we suspect have nukes. Iran is in the suspects group.

                    3. You are all over this thread … labeling all non-Jews with the comments of a radical few,”

                      Fiver, that is a crock of sh-t. I don’t look at Jews as the dominant culture. I label terrorists and those that threaten others for what they are. I don’t separate people by religion or race rather I separate them based on what they practice and how they interact with others. The following statement from the Muslim Brotherhood is quite clear and doesn’t indicate peace and goodwill.

                      “grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions. ”

                      You like to play with words and your rhetoric got you in trouble. One can easily see from your rhetoric what type of person you likely are. You can try and convince one differently, but that is your task.

                      The history is quite clear. The Balfour Declaration did not cause the conflict between Arab and Jew. In fact, all citizens including Arabs live free in Israel, something they could not do elsewhere in the area. Arabs even exist in the Israeli Supreme Court and in the Knesset.

                      Coexistence was felt to be beneficial to all Arab leaders and the League of Nations except for the extremists such as Jerusalem’s Mufti Hajj Amin Husseini who allied himself with Hitler and would have been glad to exterminate all the Jews alongside Hitler.

                      The Arab Nations chose not to accept a boundary that limited the State of Israel to the smallest spec of an area in the vast Middle East where most of the land was nothing but desert absent of oil. All conflict could have ceased in 1948, but for those that either wished to drive the Jews into the sea or kill them all.

                      You talk about Israel as an aggressive nation when all it has tried to do is protect its sovereignty and its people from the attacks on all three of its borders, by countries that vastly exceeded Israel in size and population. Gaza was turned over with the infrastructure intact only to be destroyed by the Arabs living there and used as an area to send missiles back into Israel against the Israeli people which include Arabs and Christians. Remember Israel is the only democracy in the area.

                      If you are serious about peace and tolerance then surely you will state that Israel has a right to its borders and no surrounding state should be attacking Israel such as we see from Hezbollah and Hamas. So let’s put the mouth in charge. Let us hear you say that Israel has a right to its borders and to live in peace determining its own internal rules and regulations without any threat of attack from the people that surround the Israeli nation. If you agree with those words then we have something to talk about.

                    4. Fiver, I note in another response to mespo you called him a coward for not responding. He is far from a coward, but should we hold you for the same type of cowardice?

                      You were asked:

                      If you are serious about peace and tolerance then surely you will state that Israel has a right to its borders and no surrounding state should be attacking Israel such as we see from Hezbollah and Hamas. So let’s put the mouth in charge. Let us hear you say that Israel has a right to its borders and to live in peace determining its own internal rules and regulations without any threat of attack from the people that surround the Israeli nation. If you agree with those words then we have something to talk about.

                    5. “Allan – Merry Christmas. BTW, I am just doing this to buy your love. 😉”

                      Paul, Send money.

                      Merry Christmas.

  3. Two questions. What was the final vote after the security council had their turn? And anyone here anything on the vote count continuation results in Alabama?

  4. Besides flunking history is there anythng else you arent proud of in your life. “But my programmer sez.”

    Ahhh it’ s machine part time get out the gease gun.

  5. Jonathan usually you are right on but this time you are out in left field! I could have died in Vietnam or my father and his five brothers could have died in WW 2! We have done enough in wars , natural disasters and charity to express our opinion! These countries cannot pick and choose their battles when for many of them they might not exist without our sons and daughters, our wealth and our respect for humanity! I think you better reevaluate your opinion on this matter!

    1. I think JT got a little too comfortable with the American flag as a doormat. Give him a minute to catch up with the transition back to a great America.

      And, thank you for your service.

      1. Depends on your service to whom or what. Our service was to The Constitution and nothing else. Those of you who rejected the social contract or compact at that point lost your citizenship no matter the amount of service. Simple as that.

    2. Two issues immediately come to mind after perusing your middle-school quality missive. 1) in the internet, nobody knows you’re a dog. Restated less obtusely, your claims of anything whatsoever have the same validity as the ranting of the guy washing windshields on the corner. 2) anyone who served in the United States military did so at the behest of the United States government, no matter what type of misleading spin you use in an effort to seem relevant.

      This is to “stories? I got a bunch of stories” catto

      1. Marky Mark Mark – you were either drafted or you volunteered. Some volunteered before they were eligible for the draft like Audie Murphy, our most decorated soldier of all time. Did you serve? Have you been under fire? Have people been trying to kill you on a daily basis? Have people lobbed grenades at your house? Can you actually defend yourself in a streetfight? Where you bullied as a child? Only the last one do I think the answer is yes.

  6. Is Turley going to post about Trump’s first use of his power to commute prison sentences? It is a money laundering case (2008). Federal authorities raided the guy’s plant. They found “389 illegal immigrants”.

    Relative to Trump’s talking points, he’s all hat and no cattle.

    1. Don’t know? Have to read the background and cites. I see as usual you carefully did not include them.

      1. “An Iowa state jury cleared him of criminal charges he knowingly used underage immigrants.”

        1. Owners of an egg farm in a midwest state were cleared of similar charges. The owners claimed they didn’t know that their labor contractor was using immigrant children in the plant, despite the owners operating the facility.
          Germans didn’t see the Nazi atrocities. Vision can be selective.

      2. )
        Your intellectual curiosity doesn’t go deep enough to warrant an internet search and to read different perspectives on the subject? Quoting Trump, “Sad”.

  7. I hope the world is receiving the message that: if you want the U.S. to support you in your dispute, DO NOT kill American soldiers and murder American civilians. We are not the British. We will not be turning the other cheek and giving in to your terrorist demands.

  8. Trump’s has made more friends in the world in one year, more then Dubya made in 8. WINNING.

  9. Did it go before the Security Council? It’s meaningless anyway because of the veto power. The UN is meaningless anyway. It’ s just where the PolitBureau moved when Putin and company kicked out the USSR leaving the US left nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

    1. Ah; the ghost of the “America Firsters” who coincidentally loved them some Hitler. Sieg heil “government control first”

  10. In the nations against the Jerusalem move we can move our embassy’s to coastal or tourist towns and/or close the embassies.
    All this foreign aid from America has to stop. We have poor people in America. We need medicare.

    1. Food. Since the left insists thousands of children are starving in the USA and the left insists one of seven US families is ‘food challenged’ which means by their definition unable to put three meals a day on the table for at least one day a year. ha ha. their words not mine. A food bank or pantry on every corner. What the hell are we doing shipping food to other countries? Or is the left lying. and by left I mean the socioilogists non science practioners working in that particular area nation wide.

      They say one thing then fail to accomplsh anything so can’t have it both ways. ….

      That’s just one area to save a lot of money. Paying their utility bills is added on to the regular payments too and side money going to their myriad organizations.

      So how about paying 1/135th to the General Assembly Budget. and one fifteenth of the Security Council Budget and since we have veto power one fifth of that adminsitrative cost. Something along those lines.

      1. It comes under the War On Terror Resolution by the Government of The United States of America and the UN has no authority over any sovereign government nor does the World Court.

        1. The ICC can arrest anyone.

          “Under the Rome Statute, the ICC can take jurisdiction over a national of even a non-party state if he or she commits a crime in a state party’s territory. The US vehemently objects to this, but it’s nothing new. Under well-established principles of international law, the crimes being prosecuted in the ICC — genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity — are crimes of universal jurisdiction.

          The doctrine of universal jurisdiction permits any country to try foreign nationals for the most egregious crimes, even without any direct relationship to the prosecuting country. That means other nations can bring US leaders to justice for war crimes and crimes against humanity. *”

          US Military and CIA Leaders May Be Investigated for War Crimes
          by Marjorie Cohn
          Professor Emerita at Thomas Jefferson School of Law


          1. Didn’t find that anywhere in the Constitution. The rule then is stay out of the Rome and the Vatican.

            1. A War of Aggression against Afghanistan violates the United States Constitution, the United Nations Charter and the principles of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

              “Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution says that any treaties signed by the United States becomes part of the supreme law of the land. In other words, ever since the United States signed the United Nations Charter back in 1945, our nation has been legally bound under international and domestic law to obey all articles of the Charter of the UN. This is why it’s so important to study the Charter – many people don’t realize that a violation of the Charter is also a violation of the U.S. Constitution.”

          2. Related to this, darth Cheney doesn’t seem to leave the US very often… “Mr. Dick, please step out of the line , sir.”

  11. Here are our true friends:

    1. Guatemala

    2. Honduras

    3. Marshall Islands

    4. Micronesia

    5. Nauru

    6. Palau

    7. Togo

    The rest are our enemies, rivals or our cowardly friends. We get to decide that

    Are we truly hated by the rest?

    As Victor Hugo said in his essay “Villemain”:

    “You have enemies? Why, it is the story of every man who has done a great deed or created a new idea. It is the cloud which thunders around everything that shines. Fame must have enemies, as light must have gnats. Do not bother yourself about it; disdain. Keep your mind serene as you keep your life clear.”

    1. Always give great respect to the tiny nation of Palau. The first discussion of anti-Semitism ever held within the walls of the United Nations was sponsored by Palau. One would have thought that such a conference would have occurred much sooner, but it didn’t because anti-Semitism is so widespread. Other nations originally sponsored the conference but were intimidated leaving only Palau as a sponsor. (great diving opportunities).

      The United Nations charged for that conference and permitted anti-Israel signage all over the areas the attendees had to walk by. That is the nature of the UN whose Human Rights Commission’s board has typically been filled with the worst human rights violators in the world.

  12. Woe is we!!! We only pay 25% of the UN operating budget. Let’s see how independent and principled the “No Jews Never” crowd is when they have to cover the shortfall. Most of those third worlders couldn’t afford a decent latte at Starbucks without their UN stipend.

    1. Holy Cow? We pay 25%? We should only pay our percentage of the world population. What is that? One percent?

      1. one over one thirt yfive or three quarters of one percent. One might make the case for one fifteenth of the Security Council budget but if you subtracted the utility bill and extra police etc service bill and a few odds and ends like that going unpaid they might retain sewage and sanitation but not fresh water and electricity.

    2. Then is it all Jews all the time? What would the USA think if the UN gave approval to another country to just take territory & move right in? Then decide the invading force has a right to force the original owners out or just occupy them? Don’t think that would go very far. So why do we entertain it in the Middle East? Why do we allow Israel to do whatever the hell it wants? So it can just survive on occupied land.
      Why is it so hard for some people to have empathy for the Palestinians? Just give Israel everything because the bible said it’s their homeland? The Germans created it so maybe they should solve it.
      BTW, did you see when Trump was in Israel & said he just came from the Middle East? Good times.
      As for the UN, isolationism works well…worked very well for the USA into WW2.

      1. Isolationism as a policy was abandoned by Woodrow Wilsonin 1814 and then he sent troops to war four times before being replaced.

      2. The Palestinians had their chance in 1947-48. They chose wrongly. History is unforgiving.

      3. Thank God you are Notanamerican. Haven’t they taught you history where you come from? Are library cards forbidden in your country?

        The Jews occupied Israel for thousands of years. In fact, the Jews lived elsewhere in the Middle East as well until they were killed or forced to leave without any of their possessions. Here is what I wrote to Autumn. If you wish a serious discussion I am open to that. I have no gripe against you personally, but what you stated was very wrong. By the way for the most part, Britain decided the boundary lines of most of the Middle East. Unfortunately, boundaries are generally determined by war.


        Autumn, is what you are saying that it is OK to have a country in the Middle East where Jews are forbidden, but it is not OK to have the State of Israel that is a democracy where Jews, Christians, and Moslems can live at peace together? Do you realize that the Arab citizens of Israel have complete rights and are represented in the Knesset and on Israel’s Supreme Court? Are you saying that it was OK that Jews were killed and forcibly evicted from Arab lands being forced to leave all their possessions behind? You realize of course the Arabs that left Israel did so on their own accord and were not being killed. Those that remained are now citizens and even serve in the Israeli army. A forgotten fact is that the number of Jews forcibly expelled from Arab lands was equivalent to the number of Palestinians that left on their own accord. There is no Jewish right of return to the Arab lands they were forced to leave under the threat of death.

        A bit of history on the Balfour Declaration of 1917. It did not cause the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israeli’s. The League of Nations endorsed the Balfour Declaration. This endorsement was similar to the Ottoman Empire’s communications on the subject and it was accepted by Palestinians and Arab leaders who felt coexistence was beneficial to all. Extremists on the Arab side, unfortunately, gained power. During WW2. Jerusalem’s Mufti Hajj Amin Husseini allied himself with Hitler and was very encouraged by Hitler’s war against the Jews and the extermination of half their population.

        Don’t forget Jews have continuously lived in Israel over 2,000 years before Mohammed was born. Also, don’t forget that all too often anti-Zionism is a cloak for anti-Semitism because the objective is that the Jewish people in Israel be driven into the sea. Finally (re your comment about some prominent Jews), remember that just because one is born a Jew doesn’t make what they say any more important than anyone else. A good number of prominent Jews supported Stalin and all the killings under Stalin. Their Jewishness took second place in that slaughter and so it is that some Jews will promote their leftist identities over their Jewishness along with any sense of decency.

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