For years, the media shredded Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway for a statement on Meet The Press interview on January 22, 2017, in which she defended White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on attendance numbers at the inauguration. Conway insisted that, while Chuck Todd was citing one set of numbers, Spicer was giving “alternative facts”. The statement produced a firestorm of ridicule that the Trump White House was constructing an alternate reality. That is not the response however to the repeated misrepresentations of the Georgia election law by President Joe Biden — false statements criticized even by the Washington Post. Likewise, there was little response this week when Press Secretary Jen Psaki defended the alternative facts presented the White House and some media outlets, even after another major newspaper called out the same false statements about the law.
During an interview on ESPN, Biden repeated his claim that the law is “Jim Crow on steroids” and added: “Imagine passing a law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in line to vote, can’t do that? C’mon! Or you’re going to close a polling place at 5 o’clock when working people just get off?”
As we previously discussed, it is hard to “imagine” because it is not true and the White House knows that it is not true. I will not repeat the clearly false claim about closing polling places early. As the Washington Post noted, “the net effect [of the Georgia law] is … to expand the opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them.” The use of the provision to suggest a reduction in voting hours was a knowing misrepresentation by those seeking to justify the federalization of election laws in Congress. Despite being called out on the false statement, President Biden continues to repeat it.
The water claim is equally disingenuous and false. The law does not prevent people from giving water to those standing in line. The law allows “self-service water from an unattended receptacle” for voters waiting in line. It also allows anyone to give water or food to any voters outside of limited area around the polling place. The change in the language followed complaints in the last elections that campaigns were circumventing the rules by distributing water and food within the limited area. It makes no sense to bar people from politicking in the area if they can display the same political identifications in approaching people in line for the purpose of giving away free food or drink. Instead, it allows for non-partisan distribution of water in these receptacles. If the concern is truly for the waiting voters, it should not matter that the water is distributed without a political affiliation.
Recently, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (AJC) became the latest newspaper to issue a correction on the same claim made in a story on the law. The newspaper added at the end of a story on liberal filmmaker and actor Tyler Perry criticism of the law the following:
CORRECTION: A previous version of this story said the new law would limit voting hours. On Election Day in Georgia, polling places are open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., and if you are in line by 7 p.m., you are allowed to cast your ballot. Nothing in the new law changes those rules.
However, the law made some changes to early voting. The bill adds a second mandatory Saturday of early voting for general elections but removes two weeks of early voting before runoffs.
Psaki was confronted by Fox News with Biden’s continued false statements about the law and she proceeded to double down. In a remarkably disingenuous moment, Psaki responded “It standardizes the ending of voting every day at five, right? It just gives options. It gives options to expand it, right, but it standardized it at five. It also makes it so that outside groups can’t provide water or food to people in line, right?”
The points are ridiculous and Psaki knew it. The law made mandatory the full day of voting to guarantee those hours while allowing the same option of other states to remain open until 7 pm. The change was meant to prevent shorter hours under a prior ambiguity in the law.
Yet, there was no hue and cry over “alternative facts.” Biden is supporting a boycott of a state based on false assertions about a law and most of the media is complicit in maintaining that false narrative. There are aspects to this law that may warrant such opposition by not the two primary reasons cited by Biden.
Psaki’s alternative facts are now part of an alternate reality being constructed in Washington with the help of an enabling media. Take the push by Sen. Majority Leader Chuck Schumer for the MLB to play its All-Star Game in New York. Schumer insists that in New York “we are working to make it easier, not harder, to vote.” However, New York has some harsher rules than those contained in Georgia. For example, there are fewer early voting days than Georgia and a restriction on passing out food and water over $1 in value to voters in line. New York also requires an excuse to request an absentee ballot.
So, if Georgia is “Jim Crow on steroids,” what is the New York law?
The insistence that this law is worse than the Jim Crow laws is to misrepresent history. The Jim Crow laws involved raw and open racial segregation and discrimination. The defeat of these laws were a defining moment in our struggle against racism.
Once again, there are legitimate issues to be discussed on voting systems, including the effort to federalize election laws. However, we need to have that debate with an honest and accurate factual foundation. Law professors and commentators who were vocal in denouncing the false legal claims of the Trump administration are silent today. At the same time, some like former Clinton adviser Marc Elias have been criticized for using offensive arguments to push the campaign against Georgia.
When Conway made her comment, a group of law professors led by Georgetown Professor Abbe Smith filed a bar complaint against her. The complaint was in my view completely meritless, but received widespread acclaim. (For the record, Conway is a former student of mine from George Washington University).
Psaki is not a lawyer but the silence on her defense of these false representations by the President is deafening. Trump made false claims about the size of his inauguration crowd. This is a false claim about a law being used to support a boycott of an entire state (and a major argument for federalizing state election rules). One would think that the call for accuracy would be even greater in this context.
One of the most common complaints about the Georgia law, is that blacks and other minorities don’t have, can’t get, don’t know how to obtain, yada yada, ID material – drivers license, non-driver state ID, utility bill, etc. If I were in one of these demographics, I would be insulted by this line of gobbledygook.
Some Americans of all races have difficulty getting an ID. Generally these are older people who were born at home rather than in a hospital.
https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-01-2012/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html
Those are the people targeted by “ballot harvesting” and exactly the way fraud takes place.
You provide no evidence, and even if your claim were true, it doesn’t change the fact that some US citizens — especially older ones — do not have government issued photo IDs and have difficulty obtaining them because they weren’t born in a hospital.
Ballot harvesting should be illegal in all states.
Feel free to lobby your members of Congress and your state legislators.
Your opinion still doesn’t change the fact that some US citizens — especially older ones — do not have government issued photo IDs and have difficulty obtaining them because they weren’t born in a hospital. My opinion is that all adult US citizens should be able to vote, except those who’ve engaged in election fraud.
This is ridiculous. The number is small and if they haven’t voted in all these years why would they all of a sudden vote?
We know the answer. Democrats want to stuff the ballot boxes with people that never intended on voting.
“if they haven’t voted in all these years why would they all of a sudden vote?”
You seem to be assuming that your “if” is true, when it may well be false for a good fraction of them. We shouldn’t be making it hard for citizens to vote.
Not a very intelligent answer. If they have been voting there is no problem.
It is easier to vote then get on an airplane. It is easier to vote than get a license to drive a car. It is easier to vote than it is to do most things. There comes a point where your argument blends into a self-serving argument that you want to be able to augment the number of votes for the party of your choice. If you believe in one vote one person, your argument is pathetic.
“If they have been voting there is no problem.”
There might be a problem if a state now requires a state issued photo ID and they don’t have one. If the state makes it a requirement, the state should be required to help all citizens get IDs, even if they have no birth certificate because they were born at home.
“It is easier to vote than it is to do most things.”
For too many people it’s harder to vote than to do a lot of things. Most people don’t have to stand in line for 8 hours for anything they normally do, yet some people have to stand in line for 8 hours to vote.
No problem with the state helping people get a valid ID. There are very few people where that might be difficult but it is manageable.
As I said before, what happens locally is caused by relatively local people so the people waiting in line for 8 hours ( a bit of an exaggeration on your part) should be voting for other representatives. Look at the complaints regarding Baltimore and then check out who their local politicians are.
How do they get their stimulus money? You need ID to open a bank account.
Not everyone has a bank account!
Some citizens get stimulus money via an EIP card, similar to the cards used for SNAP benefits.
This is BS for the most part, but a wonderful piece to grab and convince the Stupid.
If those people were part of the voting public before they gave up their licenses, the information still exists.
Many served in the military. I guess they served as undocumented fodder. Many bought homes. I guess they paid only cash out of pocket. Many had credit cards. I wonder if that was provided to the undocumented as well. Many were in jail so they have an identifying history as well. But ,but, but cry the Stupid, they have no birth certificates.
Stupid people like to think that people interested in voting can’t satisfy voter ID requirements. That is BS. Only a small handful have difficulty and all the groups interested in their votes could help them get whatever ID is needed. It is not a big deal.
Dealing with incompetent fools is tearing this country apart.
We should both make an effort to ensure that only legal voters vote AND an effort to ensure that it’s easy for legal voters to register and vote.
It’s bad for the country when people promote falsehoods, and everyone who does this (whether Biden, Trump, or others) should correct their errors and should be corrected by the media.
Psaki says the word “ah” in or after each sentence she speaks.
That’s because she’s mentally challenged…but she’s been affirmatively actioned, so no problem.
…and every statement has the tone of a question.
“About Those Armed Protestors At The Capitol… The Georgia Capitol”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/about-those-armed-protestors-capitol-georgia-capitol
“A half dozen heavily armed militia surrounded the state legislator who was arrested last week for assaulting a state trooper, presumably to protect her from another arrest. It was surreal. There was no clash between the leftists and the state troopers although we saw one trooper with a rifle. There were a half dozen more who were similarly dressed but not openly bearing firearms.
If Cannon has received threats requiring this type of security, providing it requires licensure in the state. If not, the rank hypocrisy of her allowing this on her behalf is pretty astonishing. Here she is at the March for Our lives in 2018, which advocates for gun control, including outlawing the very guns these individuals are carrying”
That leftist is as you not hypocrisy walking…. do as I say not as I and my peeps do. Duly noted. Wonder if they are as inept as the NFAC crowd was with their accidental discharges upon their own drones.
We should regulate gun ownership at least as well as we regulate car ownership: require licensing, registration, and insurance.
Why?
Because they’re as dangerous as cars.
The left doesn’t want to abolish cars. They do want to abolish guns and gun owners.
We’re keeping our guns.
“They do want to abolish guns and gun owners.”
Nope.
Requiring licensing, registration, and insurance doesn’t abolish guns or gun owners.
You should really stop pretending to read people’s minds. You’re bad at it (as are we all).
For the record, many of us who are concerned about climate change would like people to drive less, especially in gas-using vehicles.
We won’t believe you.
When you cling to a falsehood, it says that you prefer willfully ignorance to learning.
When you spew and cling to falsehoods and propaganda it says you prefer and push willful ignorance and deceit in any form in place of learning except what your dogma allows. That is the social fascist left in America today.
Over 36, 000 auto deaths
Over 11,000 gun homicides and most of those homicides occur in Democratic areas with strict gun control.
If one wants to reduce gun homicides get rid of Democrats and foolish people that act like they know a lot but know near nothing..
Those 36, 000 auto deaths aren’t restricted to homicides, so you shouldn’t be counting only gun homicides. Maybe you just don’t care about people who die from gun suicides and accidents. Knowing you, you’ll falsely assume that someone who commits suicide with a gun is as likely to kill themselves by other means. Guns are more lethal, and many people who survive suicide attempts do not go on to kill themselves by other means, so preventing gun suicides matters. Except to you.
People that are intent on committing suicide and do so generally will find a way with or without a gun.
Knives and similar items might kill more people than guns.
We know where most of the gun killings occur. They occur in Democratic strongholds that have strict gun control. That tells us that your policies are the reason there are so many deaths by guns.
Guns also save people’s lives and for all we know they might save more than the number of gun homicides. Take a look at areas where people have guns at home. Home invasions are much rarer.
During the horrid times blacks needed guns and wanted them to protect themselves. If my history is correct Democrats wanted gun control to prevent blacks from owning guns to protect themselves. You aren’t a racist are you?
“People that are intent on committing suicide and do so generally will find a way with or without a gun.”
As I predicted: Knowing you, you’ll falsely assume that someone who commits suicide with a gun is as likely to kill themselves by other means. As I already pointed out, if someone attempts suicide and fails, they generally do NOT attempt it again –
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/survival/
It matters that it not be easy to obtain especially lethal means, like guns.
“Knives and similar items might kill more people than guns.”
More people commit suicide using firearms than any other means –
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
More people commit homicide using firearms than any other means –
cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
“Guns also save people’s lives”
So do vehicles, by helping people get to ERs. But we still require a license, registration, and insurance for vehicles.
Look at how hard you’re working to make excuses for not requiring simple analogous regulations for guns.
” if someone attempts suicide and fails, they generally do NOT attempt it again –“
If someone sticks a loaded gun in their mouth and pulls the trigger they won’t be trying again. A lot of people are more ambivalent and take pills or do other things and are discovered. Why didn’t they choose jumping off a high building, bridge, gun that are more certain? The selection process pays a part in the results you see. Still others that die from suicide were in homes where guns were in responsible hands like law enforcement personal and they kill themselves as well. I guess you want to get rid of guns for law enforcement as well. Not smart but that would be consistent with your ideas.
I am not saying that some that use a gun to kill themselves would have been successful if no gun were available. It’s the numbers that count and you don’t have them because we do not have a random study. In any event a lot more lives could be saved from gun violence in the inner cities if Democrats were not running them. Yet, you don’t want to get rid of Democrats from these areas so the deaths mount up every day.
Then again we had 70,000 die last year of drug overdoses and most of them are young. Yet, Biden has opened the border to drugs, human trafficking, forced prostitution, gangs, Covid and other things that are killing people all over, but you don’t care about any of that do you.
Only a liar like you, Allan, reads “a license, registration, and insurance” and pretends it means “get rid of guns,” much less “get rid of guns for law enforcement too.” I’ll go back to ignoring you.
Anonymous the Stupid, you have a history of contradiction and Stupidity. You applaud Cuomo’s Emmy on one day and then you deny its existence on the next. You are a Putz.
You chose to speak out of both sides of your mouth.
“Because they’re as dangerous as cars.”
Over 36, 000 auto deaths
Over 11,000 gun homicides
The numbers don’t match your rhetoric.
Now you call me a liar. Your ideas of restriction of second amendment freedoms is a path. Most people don’t mind certain restrictions but when dealing with liars like you know that the “path” you set means the second amendment disappears.
” I’ll go back to ignoring you.”
This is another lie. The Fighting Gerbil likes to fight but doesn’t have the brain to discuss. Please ignore me. I already mostly use an anonymous label when dealing with you and you and everyone else knows that I believe all anonymous labels should be tossed in the garbage. That is where you belong.
The good question “Why?” has already been asked. However, one can own a car without auto regulations. There seems to be a lack of understanding of the law.
SM
One is a privilege that is regulated by the state. The other is a natural right that is protected from the state.
So, GFY.
No rights are unlimited, Olly. Freedom of speech is protected from the state, but perjury, defamation, incitement, child p0rn, and copyright infringement are still illegal. Are you going to argue that there should be no regulations on speech, simply because of the First Amendment?
The Second Amendment isn’t unlimited either. SCOTUS has said this explicitly: “the Second Amendment right is not unlimited.” For example, guns are prohibited in schools, and felons can’t own guns. I doubt that SCOTUS would find it illegal to require licensing, registration, and insurance.
As for “GFY,” gee, what a grown-up way of expressing your disagreement. Take your own advice.
You leftists have enjoyed the reliably passive conservative response for far too long. Those days are over. You are an enemy to this country and you deserve no degree of civility.
So yes, GFY.
I’m no more an enemy of the country than you are, Olly, and your “GFY” continues to be childish. Grow up. Notably, you are silent about the facts I presented, presumably because you cannot contest them and aren’t grown up enough to admit it:
I’m no more an enemy of the country than you are, Olly, and your “GFY” continues to be childish. Grow up.
I said this country, you pathetic troll. You couldn’t even bring yourself to deny your status. Too late now.
Grow up? GFY. I’m done playing by your rules. You traitors need Conservatives to be civil. You need us to remain in our predictably lawful space. All the while, you Leftists operate everywhere else. While Conservatives fight to defend this country, you Leftists have nothing to defend. You’ve got nothing to lose. You had the luxury of knowing what our boundaries were and then exploited them. No longer.
LMAO if you think the conservatives here have ever been civil, Olly. You’ve long told people to “GFY.” Your pals Art Deco, Allan, mespo, Young, etc., all insult people.
You can clearly continue to insult me, but it only points out that you’re not adult enough to have a civil disagreement. Have whatever opinions you want. Your opinions don’t count for any more than mine.
Also LMAO that you still can’t bring yourself to deal with the facts:
“Your pals Art Deco, Allan, mespo, Young, etc., all insult people.”
They mostly insult Anonymous the Stupid because Anonymous the Stupid is nasty and a liar.
I doubt that SCOTUS would find it illegal to require licensing, registration, and insurance.
You think its a good idea for the govt to license and register enumerated rights. Have to have a govt issued license to be a reporter, or publish information .
Your demanding churches get a license from the govt?
Pretend the power you want government to wield, is in the hands of President Trump.
States require voters to register to vote.
“Pretend the power you want government to wield, is in the hands of President Trump.”
Odd that you argue for placing gun registration, licensing and insurance in the hands of the federal government. Per the 10th Amendment, these would fall to the states (just like car registration, licensing and insurance, and voter registration), not the federal government.
Your argument is an equivocation.
Perjury, defamation, et al. are illegal because they violate another person’s individual rights. Owning a gun, without first being compelled to secure government’s permission, is not a violation of any other person’s individual rights.
Further, the free speech “limitations” you mentioned are not “regulations.” They are objective laws that protect individual rights.
What your equivocation actually argues for is the abridgement of free speech, by arguing that media companies should be compelled to receive government permission before they exercise their right to free speech.
With respect to individual rights, such as the right to own guns, the principle is this: A free man exists by right. A slave exists by permission of the government.
“Perjury, defamation, et al. are illegal because they violate another person’s individual rights.”
Perjury might violate another person’s individual rights, Sam, or it might be perjury against the state. Incitement doesn’t violent another person’s individual rights. So if you’re going to make that argument, deal with the full range of speech limitations I mentioned, and deal with them accurately.
“the free speech “limitations” you mentioned are not “regulations.” They are objective laws that protect individual rights.”
Sometimes they protect individual rights and sometimes they’re regulations.
“What your equivocation actually argues for is the abridgement of free speech, by arguing that media companies should be compelled to receive government permission before they exercise their right to free speech.”
That’s a false inference on your part.
“A slave exists by permission of the government.”
Do you think car licensing, registration, and insurance enslaves anyone?
Do you object to it being illegal for individuals to own nuclear, chemical and biological weapons?
“Do you think . . .”
You do not grasp the life-and-death difference between an inalienable right and government permission. You do not grasp the fundamental difference between an objective law and a government regulation. You do not understand the basic function of government. And you certainly do not understand what constitutes the violation of a right.
The rest of your hair-splitting nonsense is uninteresting.
The right to drive a car is not guaranteed by an amendment to the Constitution.
Duh. No one said it is.
2nd Amendment rights are not unlimited, as I already pointed out.
I don’t have to license, register or insure a car… Do I? I can buy a car from a private citizen and never do any of those things.
Unless I take it on government controlled byways.
The actual argument is: Voters should have to go through all the hoops concealed carry permits and gun purchases demand.
You must live in a different state than I do. My state requires insurance for all cars, and license and registration are required both on public roads and on publicly used private property.
“Voters should have to go through all the hoops concealed carry permits and gun purchases demand.”
First, many states won’t grant concealed carry to anyone who applies, so your proposal results in an unconstitutional restriction on voting rights.
Second, you don’t say if you’re agreeing to the reverse:
Will you agree to registration, like voter registration?
Will you agree to a waiting period, as exists in between the last day to register to vote and voting in many states?
[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. […] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power—obviously they get offended—they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.
Yuri Bezmenov
Anytime the Democrats whine about an election law it is because they know it costs them votes that they would otherwise enjoy despite the fact they were made by in-eligiible voters or were harvested or paid for by the Democrats.
They are so used to cheating during elections that any effort or measure that is put in place to make the integrity or accuracy of the vote….they do as they always do….lie, deny, deflect, and do so with the full aid ad support of the Media.
A couple of fact checkers posted their Pinnochio Awards but then refuse to go after the lying being done with the White House and other Democrats.
I grew up during the Jim Crow era….and remember my Parents taking me along with then every /Election Day….and standing in line with a lot of folks…..mostly just Blacks and Whites….and all of the Adults discussing issues and candidates while slowly stepping closer to the entrance of the Polling Station. Perhaps our neighborhood was fortunate, enlightened, or just typically average. What I do know is there were no Hispanics….but then there were no Spanish Language Radio Stations, no enter “2” for Spanish recordings, no Taquerias, and no cabbage or tobacco pickers (we did it ourselves).
Times change and so do people as they are a product of our environment.
We are seeing changes in our Country that are very disturbing…and shall lead us to a very nasty end unless we find a way to turn it around.
Ethics in Journalism and the Media returning to their mission statement issued to them by the Founding Fathers is the most effective means for that to happen.
They need to tell the real Truth, kill Fake News of every kind, and most importantly speak truth to power no matter who it is and no matter what party they belong, or what issue it pertains to when they do.
What Human Relationship can prosper on anything but the truth?
Lack of truth kills the trust we have in others and without trust there is no hope.
Simple question for Professor Turley: A Quinnipiac poll taken after Biden was Inaugurated shows that 76% of Republicans believe the false claim that the 2020 election had widespread voter fraud. Yesterday, Trump issued the following statement: “”Why is it that every time the 2020 ELECTION FRAUD is discussed, the Fake News Media consistently states that such charges are baseless, unfounded, unwarranted, etc.? Sadly, there was massive fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election.”
In December, Trump’s press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany said “The chances of Biden winning Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin independently after President Trump’s early lead is less than one quadrillion.” Trump has vowed to end the political careers of every Republican who voted to certify Biden’s Electoral College victory. Loeffler & Perdue demanded that Georgia’s Secretary of State, Raffensperger, resign when he verified Biden’s victory in Georgia.
What’s your best guess about why a majority of Republicans believe an indisputably false claim about election integrity?
“What’s your best guess about why a majority of Republicans believe an indisputably false claim about election integrity?“
Because election integrity was sacrificed by Democrats and large portions of the country were effected. It’s that simple.
SM
Here is the whole bill as passed
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/01/us/politics/georgia-voting-law.html
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/29/josh-holmes/facts-about-georgias-ban-food-water-giveaways-vote/ This is what PolitiFact says. By the way, this reminds me of the old days when Democrats gave voters pints of whiskey and told them how to vote.
https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/200015 Here’s the law. Read it for yourself.
Oops, wrong URL! This is the right one – https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201498
Jon, when are you going to wake up and realize you’re part of a party of liars?
semiwangjoe ; when are you going to see what a shill you are ?. You sir are the elite of the lying zeig heil demoratzi party. You are the premier type of indoctrinated toady of the prog left. You vomit out lies , halftruths and fall in line like a good apparatchik droogie when robot mouthpeices liks saki verbally puke out lies and propaganda. You lap it up hysterically. VOTER ID. Not willy nilly mail by vote early and often with no verification. If we had strict voter ID this last federal election nobody would be questioning the outcome either way it may have gone. But with fat stalins like stacy abrams and corporatacracy gouls like facefug , goofoogle , twat-r , and any woke corporation getting behind the zeig heil woke march they can not have clear open voter ID. See it foils their agenda to make it always a messy vote count and be able to flood the “systems” with stacy abrams sized vote drops in the middle of the night.
So liars like yourself support continued chaos and suppression of legitimate voters. Your hypocrisy and marching orders are duly noted.
The lies are only half of the problem. The other half of the problem is that if an individual refuses to believe the lies, they are at risk for being targeted for being “canceled.”
This isn’t just about pushing a political viewpoint. It is a program to extinguish the ability to say or believe anything that lacks “official”/woke approval.
And demonization of Georgia for its voting law is a very clear warning shot to any other state that might be thinking about following Georgia’s lead.
Republicans say it’s “cancel culture” for MLB to move the All-Star Game, but not for Republicans to call for a boycott of the League.
Yesterday, Trump said “It is finally time for Republicans and Conservatives to fight back- we have more people than they do- by far! Boycott Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines, JPMorgan Chase, ViacomCBS, Citigroup, Cisco, UPS and Merck. Don’t go back to their products until they relent.”
Don’t pretend that “canceling” only occurs on one political side.
Don’t pretend that “canceling” only occurs on one political side.
Hey tool, the act of canceling (boycotting) is not isolated to the Left. However, doing so because it desires to intimadate and control peaceful, law-abiding citizens, is absolutely a uniquely Leftist tactic.
Huh. Your opinion implies that you think the shareholders and workers at “Major League Baseball, Coca-Cola, Delta Airlines, JPMorgan Chase, ViacomCBS, Citigroup, Cisco, UPS and Merck” are not peaceful, law-abiding citizens. Because Trump — and those who join him — are absolutely trying to “intimadate and control” just as much as those on the left who call for boycotts.
Oh yea, it’s definitely on both sides as of this morning. The cancel war has officially begun.
When I heard about Georgia, I decided I will not buy from Nike, Gillette, Coke, MLB, NBA, Delta, and Citibank, so I guess I agree with you completely.
I stopped watching late-night TV a long time ago because they’re not funny anyway. I already use alternative search engines to Google, and I’m using Bit Chute instead of YouTube more and more.
I might use the NYT as a birdcage liner. I still need to be practical.
Diogenes,
I found the above comment you wrote got shunted into the “Moderation” filter. It almost certainly was due to the use of the text “Bit Chute” without the [Space] character which when concatinated, forms a proscribed word.
Obviously this was unintentional, but it never-the-less led to some inconvienience for you. I edited and restored the comment. In the future, you and others might want to be careful to when mentioning the video provider to be deliberate in calling it “Bit Chute” so that it doesn’t get flagged into moderation.
Admittingly, I had to laugh at how Bit Chute might not have recognized that in Australia, they commonly refer to Sport Utility Vehicles as “Utes” (pronounced YOOT) so for them it might be a double-entendre.
Thank you, Darren. I appreciate the intervention and all you do for the professor and the rest of us. Happy Easter 🙂
JT himself is lying about the law. It prohibits giving food and drink to anyone in line, no matter how far they are away from the polling location. And the “unattended receptacle” exception is only for water and can only be provided by poll officers. And no one can make any reasonable argument to why this even needs to be illegal. Lets also notice how the law does not do anything to make the lines shorter.
This law is voter suppression.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html
Molly – read the bill do not go by anyone else’s interpretation , including the NYT, the Times actually has the full text available.
All states have electioneering laws in place regarding a certain distance from the polling places, that range from 10 ft – 300 feet.
Beyond that point , campaign people can be present , food,drinks available etc.
No other state bans giving food and water to those in line. and the law does include everyone line line “(3) Within 25 feet of any voter standing in line to vote at any polling place.”
Read the law: lines 1885-1889
Next Molly will complain about the brand of water in the open receptacle.
SM
It allows for poll officials to put water out for those in line. So what?
Molly, we have all read your previous posts and we know that you fabricate. The “water” part of the statute is no different than those in over 30 states and you either know it or should know it.
This is all about voter ID, plain and simple. The left wants to be able to cheat in elections and anything that makes it harder to cheat is being called racist.
The same control freaks that want to mandate vaccine passports are calling voter ID racist and yet YOU NEED AN ID TO GET A VACCINE!!! Molly, please explain this hypocrisy.
The bill has much, much more then voter ID in it.
“The bill has much, much more”
Then as proof Molly will say: “ The bill has much, much more, The bill has much, much more “
What Molly won’t provide is what is “much more”. LOL
SM
Mollygoon ; oh dear lord. You must practice parroting lord senile darth baizou biden of chyna….. follow his every vacant word , his every stammered croaking of lies. Lay off the koolaide already. This Georgia law is about VOTER ID…… and the left voter fraud gig ability just got hindered greatly. Butthurt much on that ?.
Not only are you a lying SoS, the law doesn’t prevent a voter from bringing their own snacks and beverages.
Why do people need food and water in line?
Because if you have to wait in line for hours, you may become hungry or thirsty.
You sound like a 12 year old. ‘Give me my bottle’ while screaming hysterically.
No one stops water from being available or served by poll watchers. Ask a conservative to save your place. Unlike a liberal he will.
You sound like a troll.
You sound like the Fighting Gerbil who fights but has no bite.Your responses have no content, but we expect that from a Gerbil.
MG- “It prohibits giving food and drink to anyone in line, no matter how far they are away from the polling location.”
Seriously? Are they there to cast a vote or have dinner? Have Americans become weak candy ass?
You do understand that some people stand in line for HOURS waiting to vote, right?
And YOU understand, don’t you, that some people CAN get water and/or snacks while waiting in line, right?
Anonymous, you really can’t do that if it means losing your place in line.
The law makes it illegal for anyone other than poll workers to give away water or food to any elector standing in line. The self serve receptacles are NOT required to be offered it’s only an option.
Where lined stretch around a block or two there would need to be additional poll workers literally roaming the mine offering water. Many counties don’t have the budgets to hire extra people.
There’s a loophole though. The law only specifically says that no food or water may be given away, what it does not prohibit is selling it. Anyone can get around the prohibition by offering bottles of water for $.01 and still be legal.
Anon-Yea right just like you were waiting HOURS for Easter Bunny.
As a non-Christian, I’ve never waited for the Easter Bunny, Margot.
If you don’t know that some people wait in line for hours to vote, Margot, educate yourself. An example of news reporting about it –
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/extremely-long-lines-at-the-polls-one-woman-says-she-waited-close-to-10-hours
It’s easy to Google other examples.
Long lines in minority areas is something they like, hence this part of the law. They want to make the act of voting as unpleasant as possible.
Since a lot of these problems are local they should complain to their neighbors who they put in office. Take a look at Baltimore as an example.
SM
You sound absolutely helpless.
It’s so obvious that many leftists, including Psaki and Biden, are illiterate morons.
Anon, the stupidity of what is happening today is getting more and more frustrating. From hearing about Joy Reid and Joy Bahar, Morning Joe, Don Lemon and Brian Stelter…it just gets dumber and dumber.
The Democrats have gone from people like Dean Acheson to people like John Kerry and Tony Blinken. heck, these morons even make Hillary Clinton look good. Hillary was corrupt but she wasn’t a moron.
Let’s be honest; the political left’s propaganda doesn’t give a damn about the truth.
Steve: “Let’s be honest; the political left’s propaganda doesn’t give a damn about the truth.”
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Yes it does. They are determined to smother it.
You’re not being honest yourself, Steve, so it’s ironic that you start off with “Let’s be honest.”
There’s dishonest propaganda from some people on the right and left and in the middle. There are honest arguments from other people on the right and left and in the middle. On average, I doubt that people on the left are any less honest than people on the right or people in the middle.
Biden has essentially “ cancelled “ the state of Georgia. What state will be next – is it your state?
It will be interesting to see the location of the MLB all star game chosen by , well, whoever chooses that.
What parameters will they use, ergo will they do a deep dive into the voting laws of each state ? What benchmarks will the state need to have in place that meets the “approval” of MLB ? Is the board of MLB now the arbiters of what voting laws should be in place in the states ?
We shall see
“Biden has essentially “ cancelled “ the state of Georgia.”
What nonsense.
And right on que, the Lefties respond with: “But Trump…”.
The anger, moral flexibility, defensiveness is astounding.
Guys, wrong is wrong.
Many of us have acknowledged that Trump is a liar.
But the Lefties keep coming back to Trump as if that makes Ms. Psaki honest.
No folks. Both Pres. Biden and Ms. Psaki are liars.
I guess you Trumpists don’t like being lied to anymore than we did by Trump and the Republicans and Fox, Newsmax OAN, Infowars and Qanon. You’ll have to forgive the Democrats from ripping a page out of Trump’s playbook. By getting a taste of your own medicine, perhaps you’ll think twice about lying to us in the future.
Ha Ha Ha What a weak, laughable, childish comment. So agree you with article that the President on down are lying and the media is complicit. Thank you, ‘Jeffrey’ (are you 10, or 12?)
Jeff, try to understand the difference between lying about the size of a crowd vs calling voter ID Jim Crow. Imagine the difference between lying about your net worth vs cancelling a state over voter Id and calling half the country racist.
The left is giving cash to only Black farmers in the midwest, giving cash to all poor people in Oakland EXCEPT white people and the governor of VT is giving POC first shot at the vaccine, a life saving medicine, AOC wants to give reparations to people that were held at the border and the left wants whites that came here after slavery to give reparations to Blacks that came here after slavery. This is apartheid against a majority and it could only happen in a leftist United States.
Hullbobby, what you say is correct. Why do you think Jeffrey **can’t** understand what you are saying?
I have never denied that most, if not all, Democrat and Republican politicians lie. Instead of pretending for the past 4 years that he was not, I’m relieved to read that you now concede that Trump had been a chronic and habitual liar! Hooray! Finally!
Jeffery, you don’t seem to understand the difference between lies and puffery. Obama and Biden have lied about serious things. For the most part Trump has been more honest and transparent than any other president in recent years.
Right now you are trying to establish a lie with your last comment because you have difficulty discerning what is important from what is trivial. In fact when you and your ilk were asked about the significant lies of Trump as President you guys always fail to deliver generally referring to a link that is meaningless or making comments that are lies themselves.
You are effectively making the same argument as Turley. Turley is pointing out that your side only cared about untruthful statements when it could use them to hammer Trump. Now that your side makes untruthful statements, you make excuses. You pretend its somehow justified to lie because “the other side” did it first (which of course is an absurdity in itself).
Democrats have been lying since 1787. They lied when they pretended black Americans were subhuman so a tiny fraction of the population could enslave them. Democrats lied to get the income tax amendment ratified. They lied to pass Social Security. They lied to pass Medicare. They lied to pass Obamacare. They lie when they advocate killing preborn children by calling it “women’s health.” They lie when they say “words are violence.” They lie when they say men who like playing dress up are women. They lie when they claim we are experiencing a “climate crisis” (the world is adding about 2 billion tons of new land based biomass every year – the equivalent of two green continents the size of North America just since 1980; farmers produce record grain yields almost every year; and emissions of six major pollutants tracked by the EPA have declined over 77% since 1970. Oh, and humans have never experienced a standard of living as high as it is now. Some crisis.)
Gun homicide rates have declined 50%. Your side lies and calls it an epidemic. Your side lies when it intentionally conflate ILLEGAL immigration with immigration. It lies when it calls illegal immigrants “undocuments”. (They have documents, just not the documents required to be here legally.
And on an on.
Every single progressive policy is built on a stack of lies.
Trump lied. Mostly about stupid stuff. Stuff to puff up his own image. Democrats ALWAYS lie about important policy. They lie to enact immense, society changing policy that becomes impossible to reverse using the normal political process. Then blame Republicans when those policies fail.
Your party is pure evil. The sooner you and the rest of the country understands that the better off we’ll all be.
Jeffy ; That you and your ilk bask in the lies of your senile baizou puppet and his propagandakommando appartchiks is the very kind of filth and lies dangerous to America , and all Americans. We had a secure border , we had a military that was ruled and directed with a fair bit of common sense , we had a grasp and plan to deal with china. And what do we have now…. a porous open border with a torrent of illiterate illegals being encouraged to flood America by a partisan political machine in the middle of a pandemic . We now have a military run by an azzhat hell bent on ferreting out anyone whom does not tow the politics of it’s master…antithetical to what our military I supposed to do or be , thank you leftists for that regressive vomit there. And china , yes there is that. Senile lord darth baizou biden of chyna… taking the CCP coin via family and friends. Allowing the communist disease to grow like a virus in our institutions , poisoning our economy and culture as long as they get their filthy lucre. So no jiffy we are not getting a taste of our own medicine” , we are getting a taste of the social fascist demoratzi left’s medicine they are using to poison America to kill off patriotism , free thinking and freedoms to make their social fascist utopia. Oh the hypocrisy of the demoratzi zeig heil party…there is that for sure .
Moreover, Turley is lying because he will not acknowledge that Trump and the Republicans are justifying this rush to pass new voter laws because they claim the election was stolen by massive voter fraud. While Turley claims that he did not fall for the Big Lie, he pretends that Trump and his followers were acting in good faith in contesting the election. Turley has criticized Trump’s 1/6 speech as reckless, but he has never acknowledged the months of Trump’s and Republicans’ lies that set the stage for the storming of the Capitol. The reason is clear- Turley has a conflict of interest. His employer Fox News is being sued for billions for championing that Big Lie, and the last thing that he wants to do is to concede that fact. He dare not honestly comment on the defamation lawsuit against Fox for fear that he will lose a very lucrative career at the cable network.
Turley, as an employee of Fox, you have no moral standing to point your finger at the misrepresentations of anyone or any organization. Fox is far worse than the outlets you criticize. Now, it is being sued, and you dare not defend it….
JS
Your comment accusing Turley of lying is plain low class.
There are lots of other ways to say it without going into the gutter (“I disagree”, “You are mistaken”).
Turley loves this blog – look at his pride in it’s success and the effort he makes.
We love this blog – look at how many of us read/comment.
Then you post an ugly comment like that and pull the whole thread down.
Show some class by sending Turley a retraction/apology.
@Monument,
It is lying when one deliberately withholds the truth, i.e., he will not mention that Trump, et.al., cling to the Big Lie. My respect for Turley has evaporated sadly ever since he signed on with Fox. In my opinion, he might as well be working for OAN. He will never live down that decision among his intellectually honest associates. And while I would otherwise agree with his criticism of the mainstream media for their misrepresentations, I could not care less what he thinks when he ignores far worse lying by his colleagues at Fox. Has Turley ever criticized Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham for their untruths??? Well has he?
Troll sat alone on his seat of stone,
And munched and mumbled a bare old bone;
For many a year he had gnawed it near,
For meat was hard to come by.
Done by! Gum by!
In a cave in the hills he dwelt alone,
And meat was hard to come by.
This is pure foolishness based on ignorance and arrogance.
” Has Turley ever criticized Hannity, Carlson, Ingraham for their untruths???”
What you are really asking is has Turley criticized them for their opinions? If you wish to criticize their opinions, do so. Don’t expect Turley to do that for you. You don’t even understand the basis behind this legal blog. Did you note the word legal? Tell us what important or unusual legal issue would be important for Turley to discuss with regard to opinion programs. Tell us the lies other than the fact that you throw a temper tantrum because their opinions differ from yours. Their opinions should differ widely from yours. They are smart.
S.Meyer,
Turley should hold his Fox News colleagues to the same standard of honesty that he does Fox’s media competitors. I demand nothing more and will accept nothing less.
Turley actually has. The problem for you is that Fox is a better news media than the rest of the MSM. Turley deals mostly with legal issues which is what draws people to the blog. He is not out to bash Trump or Biden. He is there to see the Constitution upheld. Turley hasn’t changed from what he has always been, center left and a civil libertarian. The Democrat party has moved far left and whereas in the past civil liberties was an important part of the party for many, today the left has no concern over free speech etc.
You can blame Republicans if you wish for I don’t like the vast majority of them but they have not done the damage the Democrat Party has done in recent years.
Jeffrey, you might like authoritarian type government or socialism. That is your opinion which is respected, but when you comment you need to provide a bit of meat to explain your position while looking at how a singular position negatively impacts things you might treasure.
JS
If your respect for Turley has evaporated, then you should move on.
Staying to attack a writer who you don’t respect (and his readers), moves from debate to trolling.
Not trying to insult you, but that puts you in the same class as Joe Friday; not company that a smart man keeps.
You notice the Loony Left attacks Turley personally….and do not debate the issues in any intellectual manner….as they simply are not equipped to do the latter but are amply fortified by their own embrace of so much they know but is patently false that drives them to the former.
I sometimes disagree with Professor Turley but very much enjoy and appreciate his providing this forum as place to debate important issues.
What I detest are those who cannot debate but come here and inject their drivel into the conversation knowing their own motives are base and despicable but do so anyway.
An intellectually honest person does not do that.
“Show some class”
Class is not seen on the left.
S. Meyer
And we all know that Trump was a class act…
Jeffrey, Trump has his faults, no one denies that but he fulfilled or tried to fulfill his platform. None of the Democrats in recent years have done that. He did a good job though some criticize based on a lack of knowledge.
If you like cancel culture banning, a MSM that substitutes editorial for news and has pushed lies that is fine with me. It means you don’t care about the American democratic Constitutional Republic. A lot of people out there today have put their wits away and haven’t bothered to take a close look at the world.
Go ahead, support China that has concentration camps and a totalitarian government. Support China that has broken the agreement on Hong Kong and just removed their freedoms. Go ahead support China that is encroaching on all its neighbors and building military installations in waters of foreign nations. Go ahead Jeffrey, keep complaining about Turley while forgetting about the facts and the world we live in.
MonumentColorado – I second your motion.
Well, the first big lie was uttered by Stacey Abrams, followed by the second big lie by President Donald Trump, and now we have the THIRD big lie uttered by President Biden, Delta, Coca Cola, JP MOrgan, Major League Baseball and I am certain there are more captains of industry to join into the lie.
Way to go America !
Anyone pushing the “bigger lie” , that the election was NOT stolen by Dems, CCP and the MSM stooges. Those mush heads are either very very stupid, or just plain LIARS. case closed
Hi ‘Jeffrey’, thanks for the Red Herring. Apparently you agree with Mr Turley.
The Big Lie started when Obama weaponized our intelligence institutions and the DOJ. That is an unadmitted scandal of the left. Lies and deceit are typical in authoritarian nations. The petty patrons of that type of society are Stupid, just as they are in this country.
“While Turley claims that he did not fall for the Big Lie”
Says the troll who earlier this week accused Turley of never stating whether or not he believes the election was stolen.
If you’re going to troll, at least try to pay attention.
Walworths,
I said that Turley has NOT condemned Trump and his followers who DO believe AND continue to push the Big Lie!
jeffy , I think you need to lay off the prog koolaide on sunday mornings. Maybe stick with decaff sweetened with truth….that artificial prog sweetener in your yellow koolaide is really screwing with your perception of reality causing you unmitigated self flagellation at your own expense , and the public laughter…which is about all I can commend you for.
The Governor of Georgia should call a nation-wide-press-conference and in his conference he should not hesitate whatsoever call
President-Lying-Ass-Piece-Of-Shit-Biden, A LIAR. He should put this to bed once and for all for the entire nation by proving that not only Biden but the CEOs of American Express / Delta Airlines, etc etc etc are all flat out liars.
And do not hesitate whatsoever during his speech to say repeatedly, President Biden IS A LIAR. CEO of American Express Stephen Squeri is A LIAR!! CEO Ed Bastian of Delta Airlines IS A LIAR!!! in fact he should have a list ready with every CEOs name AND CALL THEM ALL, LIARS. D do not mess around with the words by going soft. No soft mealy mouth weak ass language. Be blunt, be direct. Be FIRM, And be strong. America, IS STARVING FOR STRONG MEN.
Your garden-variety American is fed up with weak ass, punk-ass girly men. I will close with this, recently a black piece of scum released a music video of being screwed in the ass by Satan and released it to America’s youth. Predominantly the age group of 17 to 8. According to the WSJ. That article about this individual gathered over 2500 comments in less than eight hours.
The writer of the article said they have not had that much traffic on an article in 20 years. Everyone posted a comment was screaming ass mad and wants this black-ass-piece-of-scums-scalp. America is fed up with stuff like this, and fed up with men with no balls, standing by why women get beat down by black, scum, thugs. WEAK NO LONGER CUTS IT!!!
The Georgia law and the Republicans who passed it is not ambiguous about its goal, voter suppression! Turley you really need to come up for air. You have sunk so deep in the Trump swamp that you don’t even listen to Republicans when they tell you exactly what they are doing and why!
You are an idiot
Time to pull your head out of Rachel Maddow’s behind. Read the law you despicable lout.
“The Georgia law and the Republicans who passed it is not ambiguous about its goal, voter suppression! “
Then it should be easy for you to prove. You won’t for the reason stated earlier.
SM
iNJUSTICE HOMEY…..what a pile of bunk you just screeched there. How is demanding Voter ID raciss or oppressive ?. It’s not and you flat out know it. You belch out the baizou biden lie “oh dear god no water” like a good little apparatchik parrot……homey want a cracker ?. The only swamp in DC is the deep state swamp , aka baizou biden’s peeps. It’s pathetic people like you drink that swamp water mixed with baizou koolaide.
Still waiting for a real example of voter suppression existing in Georgia. They just repeat the same nonsense.