In the day long events commemorating January 6th, Speaker Nancy Pelosi made a telling statement to her fellow members and the public at large. Pelosi declared “It is essential that we preserve the narrative of January 6th.” Part of that narrative is that this was not a riot but an “insurrection,” an actual “rebellion” against our country. Pelosi’s concern over the viability of that narrative is well-based as shown by a recent CBS News poll. The majority of the public does not believe that this was an “insurrection” despite the mantra-like repetition of members of Congress and the media. The public saw that terrible day unfold a year ago and saw it for what it was: a protest that became a riot. (For full disclosure, I previously worked as a legal analyst for CBS News).
Not surprisingly, the poll received little comparative coverage on a day when reporters and commentators spoke of “the insurrection” as an undeniable fact. Yet, when CBS asked Americans, they received an answer that likely did not please many. Indeed, CBS did not highlight the answer to the question of whether the day was really a “protest that went too far.” The answer was overwhelming and nonpartisan. Some 76% believe that this was a protest that went too far.
That, however, was not one of the four options to the matinee question featured by CBS. It did not allow the public to call this a riot when it asked them to describe “What happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021?” Why? There was the ever present “insurrection” and “trying to overthrow government.” However, the other two options were “patriotism” or “defending freedom.” That is perfectly bizarre. The most obvious alternatives to an actual rebellion in a violent clash would be a protest or a riot. However, the public was simply not given those options.
The result was predictable. Some 85% of Democrats dutifully checked “an insurrection” or “trying to overthrow government” while only 21% and 18% of Republicans agreed respectively. For those who did not see the riot as an act of patriotism or defending freedom, they were simply left without a choice.
The poll perfectly captured the state of our media. There is no choice. Using the term insurrection is now a litmus test. In the age of rage, one’s legitimacy is based on your volume and fury. After the attack, I wrote that this was not an insurrection, but it was a desecration of our constitutional process. When I have used “riot” in columns, I have received a torrent of emails objecting to the characterization as proof of being an apologist or “Trumper.”
Yet, “insurrection” and “sedition” are legal terms. They have a meaning. The FBI investigated thousands after January 6th and charged hundreds. Not one is charged with insurrection or sedition or conspiracy to overthrow the country. The vast majority are charged with relatively minor offenses of trespass or unlawful entry or property damage- the type of charges that are common in protests and riots.
None of that takes away from the disgraceful conduct of these people or the legitimacy of their prosecution. It is simply not an insurrection. This was a protest fueled by reckless rhetoric that was allowed to become a full riot by a shocking lack of security preparations by the Capitol police and the District of Columbia. A large national guard deployment was rejected and critical intelligence not shared by officials planning for the long-planned protests. Again, the fault still remains with the rioters themselves but this would have remained a protest if Congress had taken obvious steps of fencing and guard deployments. Indeed, those measures were used previously in Lafayette Park when the White House security was almost breached by rioters.
Yet, there remains a determined effort to keep the “insurrection” narrative “preserved.” The New York Times recently declared “Every Day is Now Jan. 6.” This is not simply important for political purposes. Democratic members and groups are again calling for members (and Trump himself) to be disqualified from running for future offices under the 14th Amendment. The “disqualification clause” was created for actual rebels who attempted to overthrow the government in the Civil War. Self-described “pro-democracy” advocates like Marc Elias believe that nothing says democracy like barring people from voting for the candidates of their choice.
If January 6th was an insurrection, then members challenging the electoral votes were little more than Confederate rebels. As with villages in Vietnam, it seems that democracy will be saved by destroying it.
The problem is that the public is not buying it. Even when the public is not given the choice by CBS of calling this a riot rather than an insurrection, the truth emerges like water finding a way out. The poll also shows the limits of not just Speaker Pelosi but the mainstream media in preserving such narratives. Despite the endless drumbeat of coverage referring to the day as an “insurrection,” the media cannot get the public to ignore what they witnessed — any more than getting viewers to accept reporting on largely “peaceful” protests with images of burning buildings in the background. When the media was instructed to call the violent riots of prior summers “protests,” the effort to “preserve the narrative” failed with almost comical results. This is why the “Let’s Go Brandon” movement is as much a criticism of the media as it is the President.
The failure to “preserve the narrative” is due to the fact that media is now locked into echo chambers of their own making. We have seen the rise of advocacy journalism where the narrative, not the news, controls the reporting. As Stanford journalism professor Ted Glasser explained “journalists need to be overt and candid advocates for social justice, and it’s hard to do that under the constraints of objectivity.”
The media, however, has become less and less relevant to public opinion. Despite the censorship of social media companies and the support of a legion of willing academics and experts, the coverage is largely self-contained. Most networks and newspapers have effectively written off half of the country. They are singing to the choir. That is reflected in the CBS poll. The public was given the same options that viewers are given every night on network and cable programs: either call this an insurrection or join the Proud Boys and call it an act of patriotism.
The disconnect is dangerous. The effort to disqualify Trump or Republican incumbents is unlikely to succeed. That will not diminish the damage. Indeed, it will only further fuel the anger and, yes, the potential for violence on both sides. Despite the CBS poll, there is a choice for the public. It can still reach its own conclusions . . . increasingly without the help of the media.
Is only the narrative of the left to be scrutinized and called out for bias and hyperbole?
I abhor silbermanism
Armed with ny-ties and a couple of hollow flag poles.
Bet you didn’t know the republic was so fragile!
The insurrectional insurrectionists were insurrectionally insurrectioning the resurrection of DJT that Obama, Clinton and MSM conducted an insurrection.
Revolving revolting revolutionaries revolutionized revulsion for the republic.
If they were intersectional insurrectionists, the insurrection would have been downgraded to “mostly peaceful” protest.
Looked like insurrection to me.
Still looks like insurrection.
I don’t care what it was as long as it pisses leftists off.
Bill Carson, didn’t you used to pledge allegiance?
Fascist!
What it looks like to a blind man.
Then you don’t know the true, legal, lawful, and just meaning of the word.
Kate, I looked up the definition of insurrection in a law dictionary.
Now tell us what a Fedsurrection is.
That’s because you don’t know one wit of law, David.
mespo727272 — Very whitty.
DBB:
Me: Witty
You: Witless
Love the parallel structure!
In which we learn that mespo727272 does not understand plain plane geometry and also does not know how to spell. The latter is a handicap for a lawyer who needs to understand that tarts are not torts.
“. . . mespo727272 does not understand . . .”
What on earth are you talking about?
His use of “parallel structure” has nothing to do with geometry. It’s a rhetorical device.
And what word did he misspell — the “!”?
Mespo misspelled “whit” in his original response and then missed DBB’s joke about it being “whitty” in reply. DBB is still joking about homophones with his “plain plane” comment. Do you really need these jokes spelled out for you?
; -)
ATS, you are always looking for something so I will give you something to occupy yourself. It is good for others as well,
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“. . . misspelled ‘whit’ in his original response . . .”
Missed that.
The “geometry” joke, or whatever it was intended to be, is not worth untangling.
Turley rejects the beliefs of Trumpists here:
“Many of us have denounced Trump’s speech as reckless and wrong. Indeed, I was tweeting my objections to the speech as it was being given. Moreover, I opposed the congressional challenges to the electoral votes from the outset, rejected Trump’s claim that the electoral votes could be “sent back,” and praised Vice President Pence for defying Trump. Yet, none of this is license for Congress to rampage through the Constitution with the same abandon as last week’s rioters did in the Capitol.”
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/01/13/the-case-for-a-trump-censure/
Moreover, Turley believed Trump’s 1/6 conduct WAS impeachment-worthy:
“I viewed this second impeachment as justifiable but poorly executed. There was an attack on Congress and Trump bore great responsibility in this disgraceful incident. My opposition to the second Trump impeachment was primarily to the use of a snap impeachment without even a hearing or chance to amend the language. I also had serious misgivings over the language of the article while I recognized that Trump’s conduct overall could be legitimately viewed as impeachable. I think that the House could have allowed for a hearing and an opportunity consider the implications of the language which I believe was too sweeping. In the end, the language secured just 10 Republican votes. A more tailored article may have secured even more votes and a motion for censure might have secured a majority of both parties.”
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/01/14/georgia-rep-pledges-to-file-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/
Turley does not agree with you Trumpists. Never forget that.
The truth about Turley’s views must hurt you. He abhors Trumpism. Maybe you should start listening to him.
As a pundit, Turley is not expected to agree with anyone, just make a case and support it, which he seems to do pretty well…
Vespev,
And it is clear that Turley rejects Trumpism and has no regard for Trump the man if his past ridiculing of him is any indication.
I can forget what I want. It’s a free country and I completely disagree with him. He’s wrong. Trump’s actions were NOT impeachable. I listened to the speech. I saw the ballot thefts. I saw the vote rigging. Schummer threatened the SCOTUS, where is his impeachment?
Turley is an Impeachment scholar. If he says that Trump’s conduct was impeachable, then it WAS impeachable!
There is no way to paint what happened at the Capitol on 6 January in a good light. It was despicable and criminal.
Adding perspective, there were approximately 700,000 protesters legitimately voicing their concerns. There were approximately 2000 people involved in the riot. Of those approximately 700 charged and the identified felons is so far less than 90. Those charged were 0.1% and the felons were 0.012%. So this needs a little perspective.
My father was a WW2 veteran in the Pacific Theater of Operation in harm’s way for three years. For the VP to even try to compare this to the events of WW2 is an insult to the memory of the tragedy that resulted from Pearl Harbor and the bloodshed and hardships endured by those who were there.
What happened I those seven hours is a misfortune of boneheaded and myopic thinking and lack of foresight.
Kimberley Strassel’s column in today’s edition of The Wall Street Journal says it all.
This is more of a poor attempt at a self coup. Trump pressured election officials to change results and pressured his VP to unilaterally decertify the electoral college votes. Trump lost and his own hand picked audits showed he lied.
Incorrect. Trump asked officials do perform their Constitutional duty to deliver honest election, which this was not. He asked them only to look at the EVIDENCE – the same EVIDENCE Democrats spent billions of dollars and hours working feverishly to prevent anyone from seeing – like any good criminal.
This is our first illegitimate administration in history. Hopefully it is our last, and after the 2022 election Republicans impeach both imposters.
It seems to me that many officials, including Trump appointed judges, Trump’s own AG and Secretary of Homeland Security, Republican state attorney generals in states with Trump supporting Republican governors looked at the SAME EVIDENCE and came to the same conclusion — Biden beat the pulp out of Trump fair and square. Only those trapped as they orbit around their sun — Trump — are unable to see and acknowledge this — less it hurt their dear leader’s ego. However, it would have been an illegitimate administration if Trump had succeeded in getting Attorney Generals and other state officials to find votes for him — as he did to the Georgia AG. Remember when he asked him to “FIND” about 11,000 votes for him?
How much more corruption does Trump need to show you before you break out of his orbit?
A summer of political violence was memory-holed because it was decided that election fortification was necessary by any means necessary.
Try to keep up
Nobody outside of the Arizona Audit actually looked at the evidence.
He didn’t say that. The NYT (or whomever it was) had to correct the record. You are so misinformed it’s scary.
This is what I find disinteresting about the debate over the legitimacy of the 2020 Presidential election; individuals throwing out empty words about “evidence”. In the future it would help everyone if concrete proof was presented. Thanks. And while you’re at it, why were no other election results from the 2020 election: national, state or local, ever questioned?
They could only pull off one coup, not the whole down balot and that part of what is the proof – it’s never happened that so many SWITCHED in some cases and went R but with pres they went for Biden!
That was my thinking, too. There is no way Republicans swept the down ballot elections like they did and yet Biden miraculously got the votes for POTUS in those same places. We are now seeing precisely what the dems would have done if they had the time to meddle all the way down the line.
Watch the Rand Paul interview with Stephanopolos and see if you can find the vids from the election day and night where people are doing the fraud or talking about it. I think it’s Heritage Foundation that has webpage dedicated to publishing all the voter fraud indicted cases.
Nope, he didn’t lie. Check it out for yourself. He exaggerated but the horror of many thousands illegal ballots is real, even if their removal from the count wouldn’t result in a “landslide” for Trump.
To believe that the event of January 6, 2021 was an Insurrection or a Seditious act stretches their meanings beyond the limits. To even define it as a Riot takes an imagination without bounds. Obfuscationist’s would be a more precise description of the accusers. They are endeavoring to cast a putrid odor on the citizens who were allowed into the Congressional chambers by security and then call them trespassers. Jailing these suppose trespassers for an extended time without due process or the right to a speedy trial. This is WRONG in all regards whether you are from the left or right politically. History will not be kind to those in authority who used the events of January 6th to punish the participants.
As President Ford said “If the Government is big enough to give you everything you want, it is big enough to take away everything you have.” Including your FREEDOM.
It was an attempted coup.
If only it were true we would have law and order in the streets, functional and working public schools, a vibrant economy and a professional press
If only
@Sammy said: “It was an attempted coup.”
No. It was a protest of the coup.
That’s more accurate.
Hahahahaha…. You’re afraid of a couple of nuts wearing viking horns???
ArtA, note how Anonymous the Stupid will respond from an address he knows will cause his comment to be deleted.
He has a lot of tricks up his sleeve but no brains. God only knows how many names he has posted under today, including the anonymous and deleted ones. This blog is his life.
I disagree. I think it was a very successful coup.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Omg, please study actual coups.
Fortunately, we have a framework for what the dissolution of a large country looks like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union#1990
I believe we are going to see something very similar. State by state are going to secede and/or declare independence and not a single shot need be fired.
A war is not necessary, nor desirable. With sufficient will at the state level, and sufficient weakness at the federal, this country can peacefully dissolve.
Will CA join with China? Will China “insist” that it does? Will a “Berlin wall” be put up around CA? Vote Republican and DEMAND those in gov “Bring it” when it comes to saving our republic!
Are you really a war hero?
So I take it that if I were to break your windows, come into your home and bash you on the head with a flag pole you would call me an obfuscationist? I’m afraid that history will not be kind to you and supporters of the former pompous, egotistical, selfish, lazy, sore losing president.
In CA and other blue areas you are often not proscuted for such a crime. Are you good with Antifa and Blm?
Does the name really mean that much, Turley, or in any manner exonerate Trump from his calls for sedition? I know that it is a Fox talking point that there wasn’t any “insurrection”, but what happened that day, and whose fault is it? If the Trump disciples were merely “protesting”, they didn’t need to break down barricades, beat up police officers, forcefully break into the Capitol, urinate and defecate all over the place, smash doors and windows, deface John Lewis’s memorial, enter Congressional offices and steal papers and laptops, erect a gallows, chant “hang Mike Pence”, or invade the floor of the House, to disrupt Pence from accepting certified vote totals, which was merely a ceremonial act.
Why did the faithful do what they did? Trump began lying about his “landslide victory” being stolen even before Election Day, and has lied about losing ever since. He went on unprecedented “Stop the Steal” rallies to rile up the faithful and encouraged them to go to Washington, promising “it will be wild”, and telling them “if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country any more.” He told them to “hope Mike Pence does the right thing”, which in his mind was to ignore the law and refuse the ceremonial acceptance of certified vote totals. He told them he would be with them, which was a lie.
What was their intention? To try to force Congress to keep Trump in power and thus overturn the results of the 2020 election. Now, what, exactly is it called when a group of people forcibly disrupt the functioning of our government for the purpose of installing an election loser in order to defeat the will of the American people? If that’s not an insurrection, then what it is?
A riot.
The word insurrection says there was a plan on n place. No one has identified any plan or planners. It was a riot but use of that charged word allows the DOJ to deny the assisted their rights of due process. That kind of governmental excess should concern anyone who cares about our republic.
There WAS a plan in place, and the details of the planners, who all was involved, etc. are being investigated. There was actually a Power Point presentation on how they were going to do it. Hannity had advance notice. The conspiracists had a room at the Willard Hotel, across from the White House, that they worked from. Yes, I know Tucker, Hannity and Ingraham haven’t covered these facts, but they are facts.
This protest, like most protests, was “planned”. Organizers had Powerpoint presentations, busses, clipboards, hotel rooms and 2 way radios (not to mention a website and social media presence). None of that implies an “Insurrection”.
Every protest movement has a political outcome they desire – that isn’t insurrection either.
Peaceful protests often turn into riots when troublemakers in the group perceive weakness or inaction on the part of law enforcement.
This is similar in many respects to the legal definition of “assault” which involves a “credible” threat of violence. A quadriplegic shouting “I’m going to kill you” from his hospital bed isn’t assault. A bunch of angry rioters saying “I’m going to stop this steal” isn’t an act of insurrection.
The Justice Department, under the direction of Joe Biden’s Attorney General Merrick Garland, looked carefully at Title 18 and the relevant case law and concluded that they had no reasonable chance of convicting rioters of Insurrection.
If they charged the rioters with Insurrection and lost in court (as they almost certainly would have) – it would kill the “Insurrection” narrative.
You may not like Mr. Turley but he is a legal scholar who understands the law extremely well and I think his analysis is pretty solid.
This sounds remarkably like all that secret information Schiff had that conclusively proved Trump colluded with the Russians. There was a coup and it was successful in November when the Democrats stole the election, destroying any proof, and relying on the judicial branch’s (understandable) reluctance to interfere in election results.
“MOVE FORWARD.”
“Get to the front line dammit!”
– Covert operator with earpiece and megaphone on the stairs above.
The Feds hit man, Ray Epps, organized and directed the planned riot.
Joe Rogan:
It wasn’t singular.
There was entire cadre of agent provocateurs.
“MOVE FORWARD.”
“Get to the front line dammit!”
– Covert operator with earpiece and megaphone from stairway above.
And the head guy was an FBI agent/asset Democrat who was instigating it!
yet
The “faithful” did what they did because they are tired of living under a smug, heartless and utterly indifferent progressive aligned ruling class that refuses to give them even an ounce of sympathy and instead takes active and open measures to culturally cleanse their way of life from the continent.
The “faithful” were living under Trump rule at the time. And, no, there were never be any sympathy from the majority of Americans for Neo Nazis, The Proud Boys, the 3%ers, the white supremacists and the other Neanderthals who are loyal to Trump. Their “way of life” is death and has no place in a democracy.
Alec Baldwin killed more people than the 1/6 peaceful protestors
Try learning something about the hell that Dems have turned Dem states (many were once wonderful conservative) into. Our free consitutional republic, based on individual God-given natural rights, some of which are identified in the “Bill of Rights” is the way of LIFE, not DEATH.
Biden has tried to turn other states into hell as well starting big time with his enemies.
“Biden bends to DeSantis, sends additional monoclonal antibody treatments to Florida
Florida governor has demanded Biden administration “get out of the way” of Florida’s efforts to provide early treatment.” JTN
Those treatments are useless against the omicron variant.
Well, if the BLM “protester” were merely protesting, they didn’t need to vandalize business, set fire to police stations, assault other people, etc. but they did, so . . . And I guess you were o.k. with Pelosi telling people during the BLM riots that there should be uprisings, or Cuomo who said that nowhere does it say that protests have to be peaceful. Shall we go on?
First off, the VERY FIRST “BREAK IN” was done by a guy named Epps and HE yelled and called for the breaking into the Capital. HE has not been arrested, just briefly checked out (his phone got a cursory glance) and it’s because he’s an FBI agent/asset undercover who instigated it. Some knew who he was and yelled “FED, FED, FED” in response to his yelling to go to the Captial and break in (you can hear people yelling “Won’t they arrest us if we do that?” and “We can’t do that, it’s against the law”). Pelosi is hiding 14,000 hours of video from 1/6! There was only one place where there was “urine and defication” (there’s plenty in my deep blue big city on the sidewalks!), not “all over the place”. Only 1 or 2 laptops, etc. were taken by a very small group of individuals. The doors and windows were the ones they used to get in (emmergecy “doors” in windows) and a father and a son and friends had a noose and were yelling for Pence. Did you see actual gallows? I’ve never seen that. Pres Carter and SOS Baker did deep research into the huge fraud potential of mail-in ballots and I’ve seen the illegalities and irregularities. I don’t think Trump won by a landslide (and now it seems that an FBI plant in the WH staff came to Trump with evidence of a “landslide” that was bogus, ON PURPOSE, to get him to freak out. It’s the SAME GUY who farmed the bogus Steele dossier around DC, including to Obama and his WH). But I’ll tell you one thing, I watched the campaigns, primaries, and I’ll never believe in 20 MILLION YEARS that Biden got 81 million votes! And I saw the irregularities and illegalities myself and I think probably neither got to 270 electoral votes and then a vote is done in the House (which Trump probably would’ve won as there’ s more red states than blue). Trump’s rederic sounded EXACTLY like the Dems in 2016 and 2017! The Dems in the exec. branch actually called themselves the “revolution”!!! And Schummer said to fight like hell to save “our democracy” (we are actually a constitutional republic and not an “our democracy” – the founders HATED “straight up, mob rule, democracies”.). I’ll tell you what the intention was because it’s been talked about A LOT (but the Dem Marxists who never saw an election they didn’t want to rig – listen to the undercover vid that exposes that!) won’t report on that), the intention was to get a forensic audit done, that needed to be done and is now proving illegalities and irregularities enough to give the election in some states to Trump. As for Trump’s comment of “or you’re not going to have a country anymore?” Oh, heck, we’re getting close to him being ACTUALLY RIGHT AGAIN!
Read Grima Squeakersen’s comment below.
Another well-reasoned, objective take on the events of January 6, from Glenn Greenwald:
The Histrionics and Melodrama Around 1/6 Are Laughable, but They Serve Several Key Purposes
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-histrionics-and-melodrama-around
“The number of people killed by pro-Trump supporters at the January 6 Capitol riot is equal to the number of pro-Trump supporters who brandished guns or knives inside the Capitol. That is the same number as the total of Americans who — after a full year of a Democrat-led DOJ conducting what is heralded as “the most expansive federal law enforcement investigation in US history” — have been charged with inciting insurrection, sedition, treason or conspiracy to overthrow the government as a result of that riot one year ago. Coincidentally, it is the same number as Americans who ended up being criminally charged by the Mueller probe of conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election, and the number of wounds — grave or light — which AOC, who finally emerged at night to assure an on-edge nation that she was “okay” while waiting in an office building away from the riot at the rotunda, sustained on that solemn day.
That number is zero…”
All the reason I did not watch the fear-mongering whine fest.
Greenwald – always on point. The Four Horsemen of Classical Journalism: Greenwald, Jilani, Taibbi, and Tracey. Actually I’d add one more to that list, he’s out in Detroit but I can’t think of his name at the moment.
Maybe you’re spacing on Charlie LeDuff.
Another objective, well-reasoned take on the events of January 6 and the media flaggellation of the BIG LIE, by Glenn Greenwald:
“The number of people killed by pro-Trump supporters at the January 6 Capitol riot is equal to the number of pro-Trump supporters who brandished guns or knives inside the Capitol. That is the same number as the total of Americans who — after a full year of a Democrat-led DOJ conducting what is heralded as “the most expansive federal law enforcement investigation in US history” — have been charged with inciting insurrection, sedition, treason or conspiracy to overthrow the government as a result of that riot one year ago. Coincidentally, it is the same number as Americans who ended up being criminally charged by the Mueller probe of conspiring with Russia over the 2016 election, and the number of wounds — grave or light — which AOC, who finally emerged at night to assure an on-edge nation that she was “okay” while waiting in an office building away from the riot at the rotunda, sustained on that solemn day.
That number is zero…”
[B]The Histrionics and Melodrama Around 1/6 Are Laughable, but They Serve Several Key Purposes[/B]
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-histrionics-and-melodrama-around
Substack. Him, Taibibi, Weiss, they’ve written good articles on this subject (and many more).
The Democrats. They’re hysterical. Over-sensitive. Straight up lie about everything. Its a complete separation from this reality – the fantasy world they live in. Problem is they, they’re enacting policies based on this fantasy world that are just making everything worse for everyone around them.
“Grima Squeakersen” has written some very good comments/responses today.
it’s been downhill since the ‘ garden insurrection ‘ …….
Yep, Yesterday, by all accounts where I am (and I live in a blue state) was pretty much a nothing burger to *everyone*. The dems really screwed the pooch by over investing in the young, radical left. There are not nearly as many of them as they’d imagined. That they did it out of greed and power is simply despicable. In my neighborhood in 2020 we had exactly one ‘Bernie’ sign, and I am not rich.
Despite the endless drumbeat of coverage referring to the day as an “insurrection,” the media cannot get the public to ignore what they witnessed — any more than getting viewers to accept reporting on largely “peaceful” protests with images of burning buildings in the background.
Democrats cannot come to grips with the fact a majority of Americans remain immune to the gaslighting tactics of the mainstream media. When they see with their own eyes months of rioting, arson, assault and murder, and they are told these are “peaceful” protests, they have that as a legitimate baseline by which they can measure the event on January 6th. They don’t need to be told a narrative. They’ve condemned the 2020 riots as well as the 1/6 riot. What is abundantly clear, is there was far more coordination and damage in every 2020 riot than there was on 1/6. Pushing a narrative that this event was a threat to our democracy was never going to succeed with a majority of Americans that witnessed Democrat-supported chaos in 2020.
The planners of the 1/6 attack were in direct contact with senior White House officials who saw it as a last ditch effort to overturn the election. Ya, that is a major threat to democracy.
The planners of the 1/6 attack were in direct contact with senior White House officials who saw it as a last ditch effort to overturn the election.
Are you in possession of evidence to substantiate that claim?
Ya, that is a major threat to democracy.
So let’s play out this “insurrection” narrative. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of “mostly peaceful” and unarmed protestors descend on the capitol to overturn an election. What specific action(s) were they threatening to take that would have threatened our democracy? Kill a congressperson? Attempted assassination of Rep. Scalise certainly didn’t concern Democrats that it was a threat to democracy. Arson, destruction of government property? Didn’t concern Democrats in 2020 that it was a threat to democracy. Assault and murder of law enforcement personnel? Doesn’t to this day concern Democrats that it is an assault on our democracy. Take over and claim the Capitol building as an autonomous zone, perhaps chain themselves inside the government building? Didn’t concern Democrats in 2020 that it was a threat to our democracy.
Well?
Their goal, with the backing of the White House and the Republicans, was to stop the certification of the EC vote and prevent Biden from becoming president.
I get it, you bought the narrative. Now, explain how rioters on January 6th were going to influence the decertification? Decertification was never going to be a result of rioters, It was never going to be a result of a desire by the White House or Republicans. Certification was always going to be a result of a constitutional process that has survived “threats” for 230 years. If you were truly concerned about threats to our democracy, take off the partisan blinders and look at all 535 members of congress and figure out whom among them are are honoring their oaths of office.
” Now, explain how rioters on January 6th were going to influence the decertification? Decertification was never going to be a result of rioters,”
Good for you Olly. You stayed on target and handed the hot potato back to him. The only response will be ‘a mmm well um…Trump um… Now he will run away. Along with being a liar, he is a coward.
In In Trump Time, Navarro says the riot was the last thing they wanted. Their only hope was the debate in Congress and a vote that would send certification back to certain states for further investigation.
Daniel, without question, what you said is what some of the more sophisticated may have wanted. However, I believe the average person who traveled to Washington DC wanted his voice heard.
Almost no one protesting wanted a riot or violence. Violence was most likely a result of a false flag operation by the left aided by the FBI. I keep looking at the Michigan kidnapping and some other actions of the FBI that tell me we have seen a bureaucracy out of control..
You again display your Trump discipleship by using the phrase “false flag operation by the left aided by the FBI.” You aren’t qualified to speak for what the “average person who traveled to Washington DC.” There still is no evidence that the FBI, Antifa, or any group other that Trumpsters were involved. THAT lie is a “false flag”. If all they wanted was to be “heard”, why the calls to “hang Mike Pence”? Could it be they were responding to Trump’s calls to get Pence to “do the right thing”, which was to pretend he had the power to refuse certified vote totals from each state? If all they wanted was to be “heard”, why beat up the Capitol Police, push past barricades, smash doors and windows, ignore commands to “cease and desist”, why invade the floor of the House, crap and pee all over the place, deface the John Lewis memorial and steal papers and laptops? They were trying to stop Biden’s victory because Trump told them to do so, pure and simple, and it failed. This was not a “protest”–they were trying to “Stop the Steal”, just like Trump told them they should.
Epps is on video inciting those there to breech the Capital over and over and over again and he was never indicted. He and another have been kept out of jail, while ALL OTHERS have been rooting in mold and dirt infested cells; some being tortured. A handful (4 or so) were calling to hang Mike Pence. Do you know the USA Constitution? Do you know of the nuances and what is allowed? Again, Epps helped push past the short “bicylcle lock-like” fence that was there (it was NOT a “barriade”, it was short and not connected together; it’s like what you see at a concert. I SAW IT IN A PICTURE WITH THE 500,000 who were there protesting). Why did so many NOT tell them to stop?? Why did so many escort them in or just allow them to walk in? NO, THERE WAS NOT “PEE AND CRAP ALL OVER THE PLACE”, that is a lie. How many papers and laptops were stollen and by how many people. And Trump never “told them to do it”, Ray Epps did and the one Antifa/BLM guy (he admitted it under oath) who was yelling “We can do this” and “Lets burn the place down” and he is now doing time for his actions (since he’s a Leftist, he’ll get out soon).
What I was speaking to was the idea that Trump was behind the riot. It was the last thing he wanted, according to Navarro who helped advance the argument to send certification back to a few states for investigation.
Let him say it under oath.
Same for Stephanie Grisham, who said that Trump was “gleefully watching” the rioters, saying “look at all of the people fighting for me.”
Didn’t they do that under Obama too? To make him look tough on Islamic extremism (words which they forbid to be spoken in the WH)?? I read that there was an older Muslim who nearly needed a walker to walk and yet they got him for trying to set off a bomb but it turns out the undercover FBI did EVERYTHING (planning, gathering materials, making it) except for taking it to the place (I think they arranged transporation though!!) where it was supposed to be detonated …..and then they nabbed him!!!
If you are talking about the FBI, I think they were forced to change their ways in the 90’s, but obviously the FBI is getting worse and worse. The FBI should be closed down and rebuilt under another law enforcement agency. It is too corrupt.
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These are lateral thinkers that float on whatever rhetorical narrative moves them. If they bothered to go vertical, and started digging into the narrative, they would find a very thin crust of emotional manipulation hiding undeniable truths. Sadly, as Bezemov warned, this is a reality many of these folks will never enter.
Calling something a “narrative” is dumb and does not turn objectively true statements about historical events into a story that could have many different interpretations. The coup very much could have worked. The fact that it did not, or that all participants did not have a clear plan does not make it any less of a coup.
Calling something a “narrative” is dumb and does not turn objectively true statements about historical events into a story that could have many different interpretations.
You’ll have to take the use of that “dumb” word up with Pelosi, it’s hers.
The coup very much could have worked. The fact that it did not, or that all participants did not have a clear plan does not make it any less of a coup.
And voila! You’ve now proven proving your entire first statement on it’s head. Apparently that “dumb” word is effective. Now it’s a failed coup, because…………………………..crickets.
The above statement uses circular reasoning and demonstrates a mind that lacks critical thinking skills.
HAHA. Not true. And since Dem leftists in Trump’s administration DID have a “clear plan” on how to get Trump out of the WH, was it also a coup?
What they wanted was non-certification by hanging Mike Pence and disrupting the proceedings. I see you bought the Fox like narrative that these were no more than tourists parading through the capitol with confederate flags, moose head outfits, Pelosi’s lectern, etc.. Just a walk in the park.
I see you bought the Fox like narrative that these were no more than tourists parading through the capitol with confederate flags, moose head outfits, Pelosi’s lectern, etc.. Just a walk in the park.
Sure, with the exception that every notable personality within FoxNews has denounced those participating in the rioting.
Olly, you Trumpsters are the ones who live in the fantasyland that the majority of Americans agree with you and support Trump. “We” Americans never did and never will. This attempt to get you to believe that your views are in the mainstream is part of the Fox News discipleship indoctrination process. After all, how embarrassing is it that you believe the lies of a bloated narcissist whose bruised ego causes him to lie, bully, cheat, and attempt to force himself on Americans after getting voted out of office and setting a record for low approval ratings? Democrats did not support and never defended any protests that turned violent. Another Fox News lie, as is the false comparison between BLM protests and the Trump-induced effort to force Congress to install Trump as dictator for life, all based on lies. Olly, when are you going to show us proof of Trump’s “landslide victory”? It’s been well over a year now. Where is the proof? If you don’t have it, then tell me why you still believe.
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FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE DNC CONVENTION IN 2020 NOT ONE SINGLE SPEAKER BROUGHT UP THE RIOTS, NOR DID THEY CONDEMN THEM; AND MANY DEMS ENCOURAGED THE RIOTERS! And the rest of what you said is filled with lies and nonsense too!
@iowan2 re: ignorance vs stupidiy – I would qualify willful ignorance as a variety of stupidity, which is an inability to learn. I don’t think it much matters whether the inability is innate or not.
Great analysis, JT.
I admire your focus on: Facts matter. And the meaning of words is important.
Said well
Thank you.
@David Blaska re: what was the purpose? You ask that as if you think the entire event was scripted in an attempt to produce a single, predetermined outcome, previously decided by consensus of the participants. I’m not certain whether you are dishonest in that, or merely naive. Mobs don’t work that way, they gather and mill, some people shout slogans, and some seemingly innocuous act will start a stampede. Likely this mob was instigated in part by FBI informants, but most of the constituents probably iintended to merely show support for the LEGITIMATE inquiries into whether the election was or was not conducted fairly, and according to law. The lying media are terming those inquiries as part of an insurrection. That is the classic Soviet BIG LIE.