The Other “Big Lie”: Democrats Fuel Doubts Over the Legitimacy of the Coming Elections

Below is my column in The Hill on the increasing claims by Democrats that there is a “plot” to “steal” the 2024 election. President Joe Biden has returned to that claim in his last three major public appearances. In his press conference, President Biden referred to how Republicans want to “change the outcome of the election” and that the next election in 2024 could “easily be made illegitimate.” He added that “the increase in the prospect of being illegitimate is in direct proportion to us not being able to get these reforms passed.” If that sounds familiar, it is because it what the Democrats accused Trump of doing before the 2020 election.

Here is the column:

Napoleon Bonaparte once observed that “History is a set of lies agreed upon.” The problem today is that there is little agreement on what the lies mean when lies attributed to one party are being used by the other party to achieve the same goal.

For months, President Biden, Democratic politicians, and some in the media have hammered away at “Trump’s Big Lie” of the 2020 election. They insist that former President Trump began months before the election to plant a false narrative that changes in election laws were part of an effort to “steal” the election. However, in the last few weeks, Biden and others are pushing their own “Big Lie” that state election laws are now being changed to steal the 2022 and 2024 elections. What is most striking is how these claims are detached from the actual laws themselves — the power of this claim being based entirely upon its repetition rather than its foundation.

After the 2020 election, some of us expressed skepticism over the claims of widespread fraud but waited to see the evidence presented in court. That evidence never materialized and, while I predicted an effort to challenge the electoral votes two days after the election, I wrote that calls to challenge the certification of the election were unfounded factually and legally.

Now it is the Democrats and some in the media who are declaring a “plot to steal” the 2024 election due to electoral changes in red states. The changes are being used as an excuse to federalize elections in the United States, an area that has been largely left to the states. Indeed, these laws are portrayed as such an attack on democracy itself that refusing to curtail the Senate’s filibuster rule is not a vote for preserving a long-protected rule of consensus but being an accessory to “election subversion.”

Biden’s embrace of rage politics has fueled the hysteria surrounding these laws. Last week, CNN’s White House correspondent Stephen Collinson denounced “a nationwide effort by GOP-run states to make it harder to cast ballots and easier to steal elections, which is rooted in ex-President Donald Trump’s voter fraud lies.”

The statement was telling. In responding to Trump’s “Big Lie,” Democrats and many in the media are doing something remarkably similar by claiming these state laws are an effort to steal the coming elections — claims that might fuel anger and violence similar to that seen after the 2020 election.

What is most notable about the relentless coverage of the effort to “steal” the election is the lack of specifics. Indeed, when President Biden has attempted to give specifics, he has received “Pinocchios” from Washington Post fact-checkers. He falsely and repeatedly claimed, for example, that the Georgia law (which he described as “Jim Crow on steroids”) sought to reduce hours to vote. The election law actually does the opposite: It guaranteed that, at a minimum, polls would remain open for a full workday while allowing extended hours commonly used on Election Day.

This month, President Biden pivoted away from the false claim of preventing people from voting to the more Trumpian claim of questioning whether ballots would be counted: “not as to who can vote but who gets to count the vote, count the vote, count the vote — it’s about election subversion, not just whether or not people get to vote.” Any vote miscount allegation can be (as it was with the Trump litigation) reviewed by the courts. Indeed, many of the provisions alluded to by Democrats have been reviewed and — at least temporarily — upheld.

Requiring voter identification has been repeatedly cited as clear evidence of an effort to steal the election. However, 80 percent of the public supports voter identification rules. The courts have overwhelmingly upheld these rules as constitutional.

Nevertheless, the drumbeat of the Democrats’ “Big Lie” continues. This month, Washington Post columnist Paul Waldman heralded Biden for confronting the “Big Lie” of Trump, but claimed that elections were still being stolen: “That dagger is still held at democracy’s throat. The lie about 2020 justifies and enables all the things Republicans are doing now to establish the means and the willingness to overturn the next election.”

Once again, Waldman does not actually state how the elections are being stolen. They just are, he says.

What is most interesting is how this claim is being amplified by Biden and others despite every indication that the public isn’t buying it, with election reforms barely registering on some polls as a major concern for voters. That is the problem with big lies. If the lies are not accepted by the public, they may just reduce faith in you rather than the election. Friedrich Nietzsche observed, “I’m not upset that you lied to me, I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.” Biden seems to be facing such a Nietzsche moment. With polls showing the president plunging and voters turning toward the GOP, there is clearly doubt over whether there really is a “dagger at democracy’s throat.”

There are good-faith arguments over issues like voter identification and early voting. There are also good provisions in the election bill that should be adopted by states. Yet even the Atlantic and some CNN hosts have noted that some blue states have even stricter rules (including Biden’s own state of Delaware), but President Biden is not claiming that Democrats there are trying to steal elections.

States historically have been allowed to develop their own election rules. While many Democrats are calling for the federalization of elections as proof of faith in democracy, these state laws are the product of democratic processes. When President Biden went to Atlanta to denounce the Georgia law, claiming it was part of an effort to kill democracy, he was asking Georgians to support negating a law that Georgians created for themselves … in the name of democracy.

The fact is that democracy is protected by our courts — and by a host of laws protecting the right to vote and banning discrimination against minority voters. What is daunting is that this Democratic “Big Lie” is being promulgated by the president on the basis of fighting Trump’s “Big Lie.” It is like condemning Bigfoot sightings as the basis for creating a federal Bigfoot bureau.

The Democrats’ “Big Lie” may not be convincing the public, but it is clearly convincing the most extreme parts of their party. Lies can give license to those who are predisposed to violence on both sides, from Antifa to the Proud Boys. We have enough lies going into 2024. What we need is leadership.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. You can find his updates on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

420 thoughts on “The Other “Big Lie”: Democrats Fuel Doubts Over the Legitimacy of the Coming Elections”

  1. Dear Gavin Newsom,

    It’s great that you showed up in a t-shirt and jeans, dressed like us peasants, to help clear off the garbage left from months of train looting. However, how about you make a real difference and repeal the Democrat policies that led to months of train looting?

    -Reverse the mandates that led to so many truckers retiring, quitting, or getting fired due to relying on their immunity from recovering from Covid instead of getting vaccinated. That would mean that the container ships off Long Beach could actually get unloaded and shipped somewhere.
    -Reverse no cash bail policies which puts criminals back on the streets to immediately commit more crimes. The results are in. Face them.
    -Get the ultra liberal DAs to enforce the law instead of releasing memos listing all the crimes they will not prosecute, which are avidly read by criminals
    -Lower the felony threshold back down from $950. Right now, thieves are shoplifting and looting with impunity. Store employees don’t want to go to jail making a citizens’ arrest, and the cops won’t show up for most shoplifting, because the DA won’t prosecute. Democrats have created a Mad Maxian dystopia of unrestrained theft. All that’s missing is some dystopian chic face paint, feathers, and deconstructed trash armor.
    -Refund the police so they can fight crime and restore crime fighting units
    -Call in the National Guard if you have to, in order to protect railways, otherwise known as “supply chain conduits”

    Do you want a photo op of “doing something”, or do you want to actually do something? Hint, the latter will require taking responsibility for failed far Left policies, apologizing to the people of CA, correcting course, and admitting that conservatives were right all along.

    1. More of Karen’s unhinged bull. “Mandates” aren’t the reason for a shortage of truck drivers: the Trump pandemic IS. When business was slowed down or stopped due to lower consumer demand and unemployment, this affected the trucking industry and the supply chain, too. Now, with nearly full employment, demand is up, but the supply chain is lagging behind. It will eventually catch up. Blaming Biden and/or Newsom is disingenuous. And, neither the WHO nor the CDC accepts the “natural immunity” argument as being an acceptable replacement for vaccination, which has been studied. You are just repeating more of the crap you heard on Fox.

      Train looting is not the Governor’s fault. It’s clear you hate anyone and everyone who is a Democrat, and that colors everything you believe, including blaming them for people who loot stores. And, have the police been “defunded” in California?

  2. Dems’ 20-Year Narrative:

    2000/election stolen
    2001/elections must be nationalized
    2004/election stolen
    2016/election stolen
    2017/elections must be nationalized
    2020/elections most secure ever
    2021/elections must be nationalized
    2022/election could be stolen

    Election Transparency Initiative

  3. Wall Street Journal Notes Flurry Of Changes Regarding State Election Laws

    Republicans this year have sponsored at least 114 new state laws that make changes to elections, including new restrictions on mail ballots following a sharp increase in voting by mail during the pandemic-era election, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis conducted after many state legislatures have wrapped up their sessions.

    The list of GOP-controlled states that have made changes includes Georgia and Arizona, both states where President Biden won by narrow margins and where tensions remain high as former President Donald Trump continues to advance unsupported fraud claims to explain his loss in 2020.

    Democrats, who control fewer state houses, have sponsored at least 86 new laws that mostly expand access to ballots, such as extending voting by mail in California and Nevada and expanding ballot drop-off boxes in Virginia and Illinois, the Journal’s analysis shows.

    The flurry of new laws at the state level comes as Democrats’ effort to pass federal-level voting legislation has stalled due to Republican opposition in the Senate. Taken together, the changes mean that tens of millions of voters around the country will have to navigate new rules to cast their ballots in next year’s midterm elections.

    Many state laws are already facing court challenges, and some states are considering more changes. Republicans who control the statehouse in Texas are pushing for changes that would broadly tighten voting rules across the state through a special session, though Democratic lawmakers have stalled the process by leaving the state.

    The National Conference of State Legislatures, which conducted its own analysis, says the U.S. this year hasn’t surpassed the number of new state election laws seen in some past years, but that some states adopted lengthy bills in 2021 full of changes.

    Edited From:

    The WSJ treads lightly here; reporting this story in language that won’t offend Trump defenders. Nevertheless we learn Republicans have sponsored “114 new state laws that make changes to elections”. These changes come in the wake of Donald Trump’s ‘big lie”.

    Therefore one needn’t be a political scientist to note the optics of all these changes: “False Election Claims – Changes To Election Laws”. Anyone incapable of grasping these optics is in denial.

    1. This is a six month old article. Yes, Republicans are trying to preserve everyone’s vote and not let the votes be diluted by those who are voting illegally, ballot stuffing or voting numerous times.

      This guy is another who likes multiple aliases and hates election integrity

      There are 50 states so if one expects to correct all the fraud perpetrated by Democrats they might need multiple laws. That would lead to much bigger numbers then we are seeing. Republicans need to pass more election integrity laws in the states.

      1. Before you defend Republicans, where’s the proof that there were enough people voting illegally, or that there was ballot stuffing or people voting numerous times that would explain some “need” to make these changes? There’s no proof of these things, which are lies told by Trump to explain his predicted loss.

    2. Hey Anonymous, you left out the part where a person can simply sign a paper that says they are who they say they are. Your picture is on your ID but your picture is not on a mail in ballot. Another provision put forth by the Democrats is that no proof of residency is required to vote. A mail in ballot is being sent to all residences wether citizens or not. As usual a lot of useful information such as the above is left out. You missed your calling. You should have been a vote farmer so you could learn to harvest all the ballots you can. Consequently due to your lack of properly presenting what the Democrats are trying to do your evaluations must receive four bses on the bs meter. You can raise bulls on your vote farm so you will never run out of bovine defecation.

      1. Thinkthrough Writes:

        “A mail in ballot is being sent to all residences wether citizens or not”.

        Donald Trump’s first act as president was to form a commission to establish that “millions of illegals voted for Hillary”. That commission went NOWHERE and proved NOTHING.

        1. As St. Ronnie once said, “there you go again” You know better than to point out the facts to trumpists. They could care less what the facts are.

        2. So what? You try to prove things that have been proven false all the time. We don’t know how many aliens voted so your argument is not against the fact that illegals voted for Clinton, rather what the exact number was. Do you have a better number?

    3. “Republicans this year have sponsored at least 114 new state laws that make changes to elections, including new restrictions on mail ballots following a sharp increase in voting by mail during the pandemic-era election“”

      “ Democrats, who control fewer state houses, have sponsored at least 86 new laws that mostly expand access to ballots, such as extending voting by mail in California and Nevada and expanding ballot drop-off boxes in Virginia and Illinois, the Journal’s analysis shows.”

      Please explain the difference.

  4. Seriously, I stand in awe! I don’t know how so many of y’all can read the Left’s lies and hypocrisy every day. I’m about to pass out from the “it’s opposite day” insanity. Hang in there, and power to ya. You’re tougher than I.

    1. Some good news for us, Cindy. Have courage!

      Virginia Republican introduces bill to ban abortions at 20 weeks

      A bill filed in the Virginia House of Delegates this week would ban abortions after 20 weeks of gestation except in cases where the pregnant woman is at risk of death or “substantial and irreversible” damage to her health.

      The legislation has a formidable chance of becoming law in a state where Republicans now control the House and the Executive Mansion, and Democrats hold a slim, 21-19 edge in the Senate.

      Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin, who took office last week, said during his campaign that he would support banning abortion at the point when a fetus can feel pain – which other states with similar bans have defined as 20 weeks.

      Youngkin supports exceptions in cases of rape, incest or when the woman’s life is in jeopardy. As filed, the bill does not include exceptions for rape or incest.

      Richmond Times Dispatch

      1. Estovir,

        1st there’s this mouth full of dry oats of data you say you like. ( mRNA Gene Therapy/VAERS ):


        Mike Yeadon – Ex Head of Respiratory Research at Pfizer UK

        Alexandra Latypova – researcher – analyst – Biotech CEO

        Craig Paardekooper – researcher – computer programmer – author – Profile

        Jessica Rose – researcher – analyst – government consultant

        Walter Wagner – consultant on pharma compliance and legal affairs

        “First Do No Harm”


        2nd is the very short of the above presented as warm oatmeal, a bit of honey & milk in a video:

        Evidence That US Government Targeted Red States With Deadly Batches of Vaccine


        Jan 21, 2022
        Greg Reese
        Greg Reese

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          Collapsing Narratives Continue in CV19, Vote Fraud & Fed Fueled Economy
          Collapsing Narratives Continue in CV19, Vote Fraud & Fed Fueled Economy
          By Greg Hunter On January 21, 2022


          Greg’s poll from the site link above:

          Poll: What Do You Think?

          Do you still support Donald J. Trump for re-election?

          Only If Trump admits he was lied to & says stop the shots (96%, 267,355 Votes)
          Yes (2%, 5,658 Votes)
          No (2%, 4,203 Votes)
          I don’t know (0%, 432 Votes)

          Total Voters: 277,648


          Polls Archive

        2. Great news Oky1, My COVID NAA Test came back as detectable today, after 2 Pfizer vaccines last year. I had COVID symptoms back on New Year’s Eve, but was scheduled for a colonoscopy for colon cancer screening for next week. I had to take an official NAA Covid test, as a prescreening. What this means is that my blood is more valuable than bitcoins. With OMICRON convalescent antibodies running in my blood, I am thinking of selling it per pint. Cool huh?


          Get the vaccines, lose weight, exercise, say your prayers and stomp a troll to rid the world of evil.


          1. Glad to hear you like the news.

            Post the Pictures, most us here like pictures. LOL;)

            I should have had a colonoscopy years back but I don’t dare now with the shape/protocols of Hospitals with their bounties on people like me. And the rule is avoid jiggling around old plumbing.

            Having insurance is a threat to life also & then the govt pays bonuses. lol really.

            You’re around all that med stuff, I’ve heard some docs suggest people that have had the mRNA Gene Therapy develop spike proteins in their blood & they should be checked with a D-Dimer Test?

            Different info I’ve seen about the Vaxxed are shedding that crap, I’m thinking about going on ivermectin prophylactic dose couple times a week. I’m still checking.

            I guess you saw England yesterday & Ireland today the govts are ending “All” the CV 19 crap.

            Next Tuesday James O’Keefe Reveals Project Veritas new damning info on the mRNA vax makers.

            BTW: At the current time, using a bit of game theory I hate to say it your uncle in Cuba may soon be better off in Cuba then the US.

            1. You’re around all that med stuff, I’ve heard some docs suggest people that have had the mRNA Gene Therapy develop spike proteins in their blood & they should be checked with a D-Dimer Test?

              The mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy nor do they alter one’s DNA

              It is common and understandable to mock and denigrate that which scares us. The field of Genetics is a very complicated, cerebral and 3D conceptually visual science. Briefly….

              We all have 46 pairs of homologous chromosomes, with 23 coming from each parent. These csomes are found in each of our 30 trillion cells. Each csome is a molecule of double stranded DNA. If we were to remove one csome and lay it on the floor, its length would be 6 feet long. In real life our DNA csomes are wrapped tightly onto a spool called a nucleosome like beads on a string. When it is wrapped, much of the DNA is dense heterochromatin and does nothing. The few regions that are not dense are known as euchromatin and these regions of genetic material hold the template for our phenotype, our physical traits. The DNA becomes unraveled from the spool when epigenetic processes are summoned. So all parts of DNA eventually are summoned and activated. DNA must be replicated throughout our life, to synthesize new proteins. Proteins dictate everything we do. Once DNA undergoes replication, it unzips like a ladder, and needs a new partner strand to make it double stranded again. That new strand is mRNA. mRNA can only function when joined to its identical partner. It is useless and degraded if the mRNA does not match DNA perfectly. One mismatched nucleotide base within mRNA strand. is enough to cause it to be degraded by enzymes. Once perfectly matched to its identical counterpart within DNA, then RNa transcription occurs, followed by translation to synthesize new proteins

              The vaccine introduces an mRNA that is identical to current SARS-CoV-2 viral strains known as Variants of Concern. These vaccine mRNA molecules can not attach, partner or “marry” any DNA in our body because it has no perfect match. The only cells that can use introduced mRNA are specific immune cells. These specific immune cells literally see the foreign mRNA and form antibodies and memory T cells to create a defense against the VOC. It is the predictable and purposeful function of immune cells to create antibodies and memory T cells to attack, neutralize and destroy any foreign substance that invades the body. Thus the mRNA is merely a cue for immune cells to do what they are supposed to do. The mRNA is degraded after immune cells scan it to copy its genetic code to synthesize antibodies and memory T cells. The mRNA technology is fascinating, impressive and brilliant technology.

              Note, some peoples immune system may not react well to the introduced mRNA, just like these people may have a severe and deadly reaction/rejection to blood donations, tissue grafts, organ transplants and medical devices like hip replacement, knee replacement, artificial eye, etc, etc, etc.

              I can understand people being afraid of that which they do not understand. Your statement of not having gotten a colonoscopy for colon cancer screening is a prime example of my previous statement. However, with most of us having computers available in our hands, briefcases and homes, ignorance is no longer a valid excuse. Considering how much time you spend on this forum, you really have no excuse. Own it.

              The following book is an excellent look at how modern medical discoveries did much good for medical pathologies, but also at a price.

              You Bet Your Life: From Blood Transfusions to Mass Vaccination, the Long and Risky History of Medical Innovation

              The author, Dr Paul Offit, MD, is a very well known and respected pediatrician and immunologist. He is supportive of COVID first 2 vaccine shots but not supportive of boosters for most people. He is partial to no one as an eminent scientist.

              1. Estovir,

                Thanks for the book link, I’ll save it back.

                **** There is a simple non-invasive colon cancer test on the market that’s claimed , I think, 98% conclusive that’s fine.

                “Especially” since most all US hospital seemed to have lost all their morals & ethics, just look at them, they a still stuck on Dr Fauci Protocal of Death, I believe. “Run Death is Near” you know how to spell it. lol

                And just as with “All” their other Vaccine Crap they’ve been pushing that I don’t want it, I’ve but one body in this life time & it’s my choice.

                I believe in complete Bodily Autonomy. To believe in anything else means a person is nothing but a slave. And that right there is the biggest threat to this nation & the People’s USC concept, it isn’t understood by so many people in the nation & outsiders that are being brought in. The Bill of Rights” isn’t meant to be a suggestion the Govt/Corporations follow some of the time . ****

                I’d be nice if the govt/Big Prama/DrFauci/Bill Gates etc, had a reputation even the same as John Wayne Gacy, but they don’t.

                ( Considering how much time you spend on this forum, you really have no excuse. Own it.)

                Estovir you push their poison you own it whether you want to or not.

                The Govt & Big Prama has to stop Lying to us & withholding the Data!

                Even at that the public still has a great deal of info that helps us see a small of how Evil these batch of mRNA crap are proving to be.

                I posted here a week back that DARPA, Pentagon, etc, Knew Ivermectin, HCQ, etc, were good treatment for the Bio-Weapon CV19 & thus No risky mRNA Gene Therapy was needed.

                But that wasn’t what the Mad Scientist & Authortian Govts & Courts wanted, they wanted to be Gods.


                Over 1 Million Deaths and Injuries Following COVID “Vaccines” Reported in VAERS as Second Year of “Experimental Use Authorization” Begins

                The deaths and injuries following the experimental COVID-19 “vaccines” continue at an unprecedented rate as we now enter the second year of their “emergency use authorization.” The U.S. Government updated their Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database today, and there have now been 1,053,830 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following COVID-19 experimental vaccines since they were given emergency use authorization in December of 2020. By way of contrast, there have been 914,393 cases of deaths and injuries reported to VAERS following all FDA-approved vaccines since VAERS started in 1990, through the end of November, 2020, the last month before the COVID-19 vaccines were authorized for emergency use. There have been more deaths, more permanent disabilities, and more hospitalizations following the experimental COVID-19 vaccines, than there have been following all FDA-approved vaccines for the previous 31 years COMBINED. This is the most censored news in the United States, and it is based on the U.S. Government’s own statistics.
                Read More



                I’ve posted many times about Dr Fancis Boyle, in the below link, but I think many have ignored it to their own peril. Hell, the 1st 10 minutes is telling.

                Anyone can go to & pull up some of the many Dr Francis Boyle interviews.

                Dr. Francis Boyle joins The Alex Jones Show to expose how forcing the untested lethal mRNA vaccine on the public violates a Nuremberg ruling against Nazi medical experimentation cruelty.


              2. Estovir,

                Jeez, Dr Paul Offit, just from the little I know this guy is either a complete idiot or one evil SOB.

                I’d be betting on the later.

                I see they had up he is on the FDA advisory board. Is he one of the Fm Pfizer exec’s that replaced those other Docs that resign over Morality, Ethics & Principle last year?

                I guess he hadn’t heard, the mRNA Gene Therapies are at least destroying people Natural God Given Immunity temporarly & that the booster are really screwing it up. Is that forever, maybe the Govt/Big Prama could do some studies on LAB RATS and find out & release their DATA?

                BTW: Have any of these Bubble People heard that the CDC recently came out with a notice that the mRNA Gene Therapies do not keep you from getting a virus nor do they stop the spread of any virus.

                So what’s that toxic Graphene Oxide we hear they are putting in the stuff for, we’d like to know.

                I think I’ll pass on the book.

                In the meantime he can stick that crap up his own … let’s say Backside. God forbid I’d curse while the SOB is out to Whack us all. lol;)


                Dr. Paul Offit: ‘There Are No Good Reasons Not To Get A Vaccine’
                Oct 12, 2021

                1. Oky, years ago, I discussed oral agents for diabetes with a physician who was on the approval board when they approved the first oral drug. He stated their concerns, some of which were born out, but they approved the drug anyway, believing it would do more good than harm. They initially stated the positives and omitted the negatives in their discussions. Their conflict of interest was their position on the board trying to do their best.

                  1. Metformin/Glucophage, an oral agent, is today the number 1 drug of choice for newly diagnosed T2D patients. I helped launch it for Bristol Myers Squibb in mid 1990s when it came to the US Market, and I had many mano-a-mano scientific discussions with Endocrinologists. They feared it would cause lactic acidosis. I finally pushed back on them and asked them to show me this “lactic acidosis” patient either in person or in their medical charts. None of them could because they had never seen a lactic acidosis patient. In spite of Endocrinologists fearing Glucophage, and embracing older, failed agents known as sulfonylureas, because it was “comfortable” for them, Glucophage earned global dominance, while sulfonylureas fell out of favor for very good reasons.

                    My mother was diagnosed with T2D before she died, and her primary care / Internal Medicine physician wanted to place her on insulin. I blew a fuse. I went with my mother to her physician appointment, she introduced me, and we went at it. I came at him vigorously, incredulously, scientifically. My mother kept interrupting me, apologizing to her physician about her aggressive son. He finally agreed, stating she would be his first patient on Glucophage. Several years later my mother died from leukemia, and her primary care physician attended the funeral. I had forgotten about him since I deal with a lot of people in medicine. He said he was my mother’s PCP before her leukemia, and he wanted to thank me. Not understanding him, I asked him what he meant. He said, by my mother’s open coffin in the funeral home, that I had made him a better physician by showing him scientific data, clinical studies and challenging him. He said he had never had a patient who was so loved by her son, to the point of pouncing on his antiquated treatment habits. He shook my hand warmly with a tear in his eyes, and then embraced me and left. I was stunned. That was humility.

                    The mark of a homo universalis, the imprint of a Jesuit education, is to be willing, ready and able to talk to anyone, from the illiterate to the person with multiple advanced degrees, about anything. I will engage anyone on any subject matter that they choose. However, I cant fix stupid and will not waste my time therein.

                    1. Estovir, I won’t disagree that the earliest drugs had problems and weren’t as effective as desired, but that is how any developing technology is.

                      Metformin is a widely used, relatively inexpensive drug. I am not trying to infer that it is a good or bad drug, but it does cause lactic acidosis on rare occasions. Since it was relatively new at the time and people were afraid of it, I don’t find it surprising that in your sampling of physicians, none of them saw it. Despite that, I think it may be the number one oral agent prescribed to new diabetics.

                  2. S. Meyer,

                    They just need to be shown a mirror, the same one we all look through.

                    Not to be insulting but to help them/us all move forward, not in hubris.

                    Among other things I’ve been reviewing some old dated stuff that’s bound to come back into view.

                    I’m listening to it all repeated again.

                    Just pass it all along.

                    OT: I seen recently an interesting study on how honey bees communicate. They don’t type.


                2. “The way out of this pandemic is to get everyone vaccinated.” ~Paul Offit

                  Anyone who does not see everything wrong with that statement is a brainwashed idiot.

                  1. Here’s ONE reason Dr. Paul Offit: ZERO liability for the pharmaceutical companies!

                    If you or your child are injured, good luck to you, ain’t NOBODY to turn to in pharma or government. There are currently MILLIONS of reported vaccine injuries and deaths and NONE of these people have any recourse. None. Why? Because the government has made sure the pharma compaies have ZERO liability, cannot be sued for injuries caused by their experimental injections.

                    Here’s another reason Dr. Paul Offit: NONE of the shots being given in the U.S. today are FDA approved — all are still under Emergency Use Authorization. Coercion is illegal.

                    Here’s a third GOOD reason Dr. Paul Offit: these shots are not effective at stopping or spreading infection and they are UNNECESSARY!

                    How about these reasons Dr. Paul Offit? You filthy corrupt, unethical LIAR.

              3. For anyone interested in learning more about how the immune system generates antibodies and memory T cells, I will close with this quote from a science article in “Nature”.

                During pathogenic challenge, the immune system is charged not only with multiplying its effector cells but also with forming immune cell populations that are best suited to efficiently counteract the infection, an outcome achieved through the processes of selection and differen-tiation. That individual innate and adaptive lymphocytes exhibit remarkable heterogeneity in their proliferative potential is attributable to selection. Furthermore, accompanying the robust proliferation of activated lym-phocytes is a differentiation programme that results in a multitude of cell fates. The disparate proliferation and differentiation patterns of lymphocytes during clonal expansion collectively generate reproducible and bal-anced primary immune responses, and also prepare the host in the instance of rechallenge

                Adams, N.M., Grassmann, S. & Sun, J.C. Clonal expansion of innate and adaptive lymphocytes. Nat Rev Immunol 20, 694–707 (2020).

              4. “The mRNA vaccines are not gene therapy nor do they alter one’s DNA…”

                They are not vaccines using pre-covid definitions.

                “The mRNA technology is fascinating, impressive and brilliant technology.”

                These mRNA vaccines have failed to stop the virus…they are neither “safe” nor “effective.” Mandating them is a moral crime.

              5. What the hell, did that guy have a beer in one hand & a vacuum cleaner in the other that caused that many typos or was it those damned Commie Libs? Yeah that’s it, Commie Libs strike again. 😉

                Let’s see how many new typos I can add?


                (Typo Repair attempt)

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                Oky1 says:
                January 23, 2022 at 4:47 PM

                Dr Paul Offit: “There are no good reasons not to get a vaccine”

                I don’t know how much time I have now, but I’ll try to get up what I can in between.

                How many buildings are named after Dr Jeosph Megele the nut job?

                I was shocked to find out some people named a building after Mass Murderer Dr Marice Hilleman. As I know it he did far more damage to Humanity then then even Dr Megele.

                I see Dr Offit & Dr Fauci have ties/training back to Dr. Marice Hilleman, chief of the Merck pharmaceutical company vaccine division.

                More & more info on this subject is being censored from us see it all everyday, but some of the info is still around.

                The evil Azzhole Hilleman is believed by many to have harmed, cause the death, whacked, as many as 100 million world wide. Just listen to him Laugh in the video below Knowing About the Slaughter he Caused.

                Plenty enough reason to completely shut down All of the Current Vaccine Industrial Complex. At least until numerous cross safety agencies were put in place.

                What the Hell About Mankind’s Natural Immunity that Served Us for Thousands of Years so well Before just a 100 short years ago &The AMA & Rockefellers. Maybe they should have been working to reinforce the Immunity God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit & our Mom’s gave us all out the Gate!!!!!!!

                Hell no, they are just Evil!

                At this point the Globalist Vaccines are nothing more then weapons of Genocide World Wide..

                Just look at the 1000’s of Docs/Pros/Nurse worldwide that are standing up, risky careers speaking out about been happening with the mRNA including even the inventor of it Dr Robert Malone.


                Merck Vaccine developer Interview
                Jan 6, 2020
                396 subscribers
                An interview with Dr. Marice Hillman chief of the Merck pharmaceutical company vaccine division. Interviewers laugh at how he made a cancer epidemic from the polio vaccine.

                SV40 was the 40th virus found in rhesus monkey kidney cells when these cells were used to make the polio vaccine. This virus contaminated both the Inactivated Polio Vaccine (IPV) created by Dr. Jonas Salk and the Oral or “Live” Polio Vaccine (OPV) created by Dr. Albert Sabin.
                “Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio vaccine, being made of monkey kidney tissue has been directly responsible for the major increase in Leukemia in this country, states Dr. Frederick Klenner Polio Researcher, USA.

                All health authorities agree that both the Salk Inactivated Polio Vaccine (IPV) and Sabin Oral or live Polio Vaccine (OPV) were contaminated with SV40 up until 1961. The contamination has been estimated to have exposed up to 30 million Americans and millions more in the USSR (where the OPV clinical trials were conducted) and other countries. In 1961, federal regulations went into effect in the U.S. (and similar regulations went into effect in other parts of the world) that required that polio vaccines be free of SV40. The new regulations in the U.S., however, did not require that: 1) the SV40 contaminated seeds used to make every batch or lot of vaccine be discarded; 2) the recently manufactured contaminated vaccines be discarded.

                Using animals as models for human disease is dangerous.

                The cross-species cultivation of vaccines is clearly laden with risks, risks that may be irreversible, carrying consequences too great to endure. This is just one more indication that government vaccine officials have created dangerous public health policies.





                Maybe more…..

                Check out the UN’, World Economic Forum’s on going Plans Like “Event 201”

                  1. Anon,


                    I checked on it earlier, I’ll be looking into it deeper when I get time. Right off the bat I noticed the govt Info Minders had the real info buried under their damned “The trusted News Initiative” Fascist Govt/Old Media/Old Tech Propaganda Crap. Wapo, NYT, MSNBC Lairs. Etc……


                    OAN & Cspan had complete coverage of Sen. Ron Johnson’s panel of experts Docs/pros/nurse today. Below is the biggest clip I have of it as of now.

                    About 47 minutes long.

                    Doctors Find Link Between Covid Vaccine And Cancer


                    Jan 24, 2022
                    The Alex Jones Show
                    The Alex Jones Show

                    A group of doctors and other medical experts gathered in Washington, D.C. on Monday for a panel discussion on Covid-19 hosted by Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI).

                    The specialists include Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Harvey Risch, Dr. George Fareed, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Aaron Kheriaty and Dr. David Wiseman.


              6. Dear Estovir: thank you for a down-to-earth explanation for those who have been deceived into believing that vaccines will alter their DNA, or constitute “gene therapy”. For many people, genetic science wasn’t taught in biology during their high school years, and too many of them rely on alt-right media that tells them lies about what the vaccine is and what it does. Sadly, agencies like the WHO and CDC are also subjects of political attacks, and people don’t trust the recommendations on vaccines. When someone doesn’t have the basic knowledge of cellular genetics, they are vulnerable to believing lies because all of this is unknown to them.

                1. Natacha,

                  Please don’t listen to any Independent (Real) Media & real Docs like the Inventor of mRNA Tech, & a Fm head Pfizer Resp., Vax guy, Ret Dr Yeadon.

                  You just sit right down, relax & have a few Margaritias or maybe Schlitze Malt Liquor more to your taste.

                  And then go back to your govt Info Minder’s “The trusted News Initiative” Fascist Govt/Old Media/Old Tech Propaganda Crap. Wapo, NYT, MSNBC Lairs. Etc……

                  BTW: Did you know Joe Rogan’s podcast is 10 to 20 time bigger then the CNN?


                  Maybe you’d like a Tat? lol

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              7. Any thoughts on why some are so harmed by these vaccines? Why some die within a day or two? It’s like Russian roulette based on the VAERS data thus far.

                1. There is so much info everyone is posting here/elsewhere on this mRNA stuff no doubt most will have to chew it in small pieces.

                  Hell, I just seen up towards the top of Banned.Video someone posted the link to a 5+ hour video it looks like of of yesterdays Sen Johnson’s Round table event.

                  Below is a post w/links from above.

                  The 1st is of what Dr Yeadon & crew reverse engineered that using the govt’s data they believe shows where the deadly/harmful lots of the mRNA dope went & where they think others just had a non-harmful jab of of Saline.

                  I may be about done tonight.


                  Oky1 says:
                  January 21, 2022 at 8:39 PM


                  1st there’s this mouth full of dry oats of data you say you like. ( mRNA Gene Therapy/VAERS ):


                  Mike Yeadon – Ex Head of Respiratory Research at Pfizer UK

                  Alexandra Latypova – researcher – analyst – Biotech CEO

                  Craig Paardekooper – researcher – computer programmer – author – Profile

                  Jessica Rose – researcher – analyst – government consultant

                  Walter Wagner – consultant on pharma compliance and legal affairs

                  “First Do No Harm”



                  2nd is the very short of the above presented as warm oatmeal, a bit of honey & milk in a video:

                  Evidence That US Government Targeted Red States With Deadly Batches of Vaccine


                  Jan 21, 2022
                  Greg Reese
                  Greg Reese


            2. Hi Olly:

              Enclosed please find a link with an animation that illustrates how the mRNA vaccine uses ribosomes to produce viral spike protein. This teaches our immune system to recognize the spike protein of SARS-CoV2. The spike protein is a site specific kind of Velcro that attaches to ACE2 receptors on major organs, like our heart, lungs, and brain. When the virus attacks those organs, that leads to inflammation, and the symptoms of Covid.

              Any mRNA is like a specific page out of a full set of blueprints. It’s directions for a specific protein. Our DNA is our master plans. When we need a specific protein “built”, we read a section of DNA and send out messenger mRNA to the “builder”, the ribosomes. This mRNA does not alter DNA.

              An example of genetic engineering that does alter DNA would be CRISPR Cas9.


          2. Estovir…….I think you meant: “Wash your hands and say your prayers, ’cause Jesus and germs are everywhere”!

    2. Hi Cindy,

      I understand, it looks like multiple bad car wrecks on the highway everyday of the authoritarian Dems & Rinos.

      But there are pieces of good news I see on the real type news outfits that I & others wouldn’t hear from old media/big tech.


      New Va. Gov. Glenn Youngkin cleans house, asks all “diversity” office staffers (liberal fascists) to resign, appoints anti-CRT official

      Friday, January 21, 2022 by: JD Heyes


      I was hoping someone like Trump would have done that on the 1st day & Fired at least a 1/3rd of Fed employees, sorted out who should be re-hire & then Fired & sorted out the next 1/3rd, regardless if some later had to be paid off. Cleaned the whole outfit out.

      That’s why I still even bother, Texas Primary is on March 1st is. The Rinos are making the main run right here for at least Governor, Lt Gov & Attorney General.

      Good Luck finding a Gov that’ll shut the border finally.

      The current Tx Ag commissioner Sid Miller seems ok.

      All I know for sure is I’ve had enough the American hating Bush family & I see George P Bush is running for Texas AG. Texas should send them all back to Connecticut with their blue bloods relatives or back to Europe.

      The question to me is if Louie Gohmert a Ringer or is the current AG Ken Paxton????

      1. Oky1….good to see you! I like Louie Gohmert alot and he’s a Baylor Law grad, which is the mark of a truly intelligent person.
        But in this race, the superior candidate is former Texas Supreme Court Justice Eva Guzman.

        1. I don’t know much of anything about Guzman, I’ll be watching,but I’ve seen a lot of races over the years with many good people in it & then at times they split the vote & the worst one gets in.

          Just pray to Jesus Beto/Bato doesn’t later cheat his way into being the Gov.

          As much time I’ve wasted on politics I should have started gambling on it decades back.

  5. “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

    ― Joseph Stalin

    1. Notice how Joe Biden has been channeling his Stalinistic tendencies as he shouts about who “counts the vote!”

  6. OT


    Whatever will President Susan Rice and Vice President Valerie Jarrett do?

    Their polling is in the cellar, their midterm prospects are nonexistent, and they need an enemy on which to re-focus the voters’ attention.

    They can’t ask Obama for help, he and Kamie are busy filling their empty suits with nowhere plans for nobody (thanks, John).

    Enter Stage Right: Vladimir Putin!

    What America needs right now, as in immediately and for the benefit of the “Suzie and Val Show,” is a good old-fashioned war.

    Look out! They’re gonna draft your daughters this time. Geez, at least “Crazy Abe” kept it to men only, that stinking sexist misogynist!

    Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition.

    We’re all gonna die!


  7. “A federal district judge in Texas temporarily blocked the Biden administration’s Covid-19 vaccine mandate for federal employees Friday as litigation against it moves forward, now leaving the White House’s policy for healthcare workers as its only vaccine requirement still in effect.

    U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Vincent Brown issued an injunction that temporarily halts the policy nationwide, after a coalition of federal employees and contractors challenged it in court. Brown ruled President Joe Biden overstepped his authority by enacting the employee mandate, saying that imposing the policy “with the stroke of a pen and without the input of Congress … is a bridge too far.”


    1. The Constitution blocks vaccine mandates.

      The only people who don’t know are the Justices of the Supreme Court.

      1. The Constitution blocks vaccine mandates.

        Please cite the Constitution wherein, it blocks vaccine mandates?

        Before you get in a lather, I know it doesn’t literally say that. So I agree.

        1. The Constitution blocks vaccine mandates by omission.

          How’s that?

          There is no power provided to impose mandates, there are no “emergency” powers, and “implied” powers are not powers provided by the Constitution; they are desires and fantasies occurring in the minds of those seeking personal power.

          “Necessary and proper” laws apply to sections of the Constitution that do not provide the power to mandate.

          The Constitution provides the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,…but upon probable cause, and the 9th Amendment provides a natural and God-given right to choose healthcare.

          The American thesis is: Freedom and Self-Reliance.

          The closest the Constitution comes to “emergency” powers is the suspension of habeas corpus by Congress in a condition of rebellion (i.e. the CSA “seceded” and did not rebel) or invasion.

          1. 🤣 Damn George, I even quoted your own question and agreed with you and still you felt compelled to rant on. Come on George, you’re on the right side of the equation, think.

      1. The bulk of the Russian accusations were confirmed.They did engage in a campaign of disinformation to try to sway the election for Trump. They did hack the DNC. The Trump campaign was in contact with Russian agents. The only aspect that is still unknown is if Trump himself knew about any of this. Mueller and the Senate report was clear on all of this. The only “hoax” of the “Russian Hoax” was that it was a hoax.

        1. Peter, how are tricks in WeHo? Given you fool no one on these boards about your zillion sock puppet accounts, how do you manage on Grindr? Just curious.

        2. Of course, most of what you say is a lie. But we know that you still push the Steele Dossier.

          Listening to Biden’s speech and what he has been saying, he is destroying NATO’s unity and, at the same time, giving parts of Ukraine to Russia while bringing America closer to a potential war with Russia. Who says Biden can’t do more than one thing at the same time.

    1. Correct. Texas and other states wanted the Supreme Court to address the inconsistent application of Pennsylvania’s and other states election laws. Justice Thomas thought it was a good idea to hear their concerns in open court. The rest used the convenience of ‘nah, we just don’t want to and you can’t make us’ duck and jive.

  8. Let’s see.

    It’s a civic duty to question every election Democrats won. To protest the results. To file lawsuits. But it’s sedition when Republicans do.

    It’s stealing an election unless Democrats can pass a bill to ban voter ID and allow mail in ballots received up to a week after the election.

    It’s a “right” to vote without proving your identity, and proving your identity is Jim Crow on steroids.


    1. More of Karen’s nonsense. Karen: ALL polls predicted Trump’s loss. He never broke a 50% approval rating. He lost the popular vote in 2016. The economy took a steep nosedive under his administration, unemployment was above 10% and his lies allowed COVID to rage out of control It is delusional to believe that he could have won in 2020, so implying that concerns about the validity of a Democratic election victory rises to the level of a “civic duty” just displays the depth and extent of your discipleship.

      Democrats DO NOT WANT TO BAN VOTER ID. This has been explained to you several times. Stop lying about it. Democrats oppose forcing non drivers to go to the BMV to get an ID and refusing to accept otherwise valid forms of identification. Once a voter places the ballot in the mail, s/he has no control over when it arrives, which could be engineered by the Post Office. THE POSTMARK DATE controls, so if it is timely postmarked, it should be counted. As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      1. You are being unfair. They do not know the difference between truth and lies. It is a concept they are unable to grasp. It is like demanding that a dog solve a differential equation, it is simply beyond their comprehension level.

        1. No, Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, and even appointed a commission to try to prove his lie that illegals put the popular vote over the top in Hillary’s favor. Of course, there was no proof, and his challenge went nowhere.

      2. Natacha says “Democrats oppose forcing non drivers to go to the BMV to get an ID”

        Americans oppose Biden’s mandates forcing unwanted experimental shots into our arms.

  9. Jonathan: Quoting Napoleon doesn’t alter the fact of what the GOP is trying to do in the midterms and in 2024. Through gerrymandering and voter suppression they want to guarantee Republicans win. It’s called “cheating”. What Democrats are complaining about has nothing to do with Trump’s “Big Lie”. But you claim: “What is most striking is how these claims are detached from the actual laws themselves”. You cite the new Georgia voting law and say it does not reduce the hours to vote. That’s true but does not begin to describe the mischief the GOP is engaged in when it comes to voting rights in Georgia. In 2020 the election was close, about 11,000 votes. Trump tried to get Georgia election officials to change the vote count but they refused. Trump is now under investigation for voter fraud.

    Georgia’s Republican controlled legislature, learning from the 2020 election, has made a number of significant changes to voting: (1) Drop Boxes–the law limits drop boxes to only 1 per 100,00 registered voters. That will result a sharp drop from the 330 drop boxes in 2020. In Fulton, Cobb and 2 other counties that contain more than a third of the Black population, drop boxes will shrink by 3/4. And now drop boxes must be located inside a polling station forcing Black voter to go to a polling station and possibly being exposed to Covid. This placed an undue burden on the elderly and disabled. In 2020 drop boxes were conveniently placed outside, 24 hours a day and throughout the the evening on Election Day; (2) Absentee ballots–Under the old law a voter could request an absentee ballot as early as 6 months before the election, Under the new law that window has been cut by more than half. In 2020 Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger sent absentee ballots to all voters because of Covid. He got a lot of blowback from Georgia’s GOP because this made it easier to vote! Mail voting proved popular with Democratic voters. Nearly 2/3rds of the 1.3 million absentee votes were for Biden. In addition, the new law requires proof of identity to receive an absentee ballot. In Georgia more than 272,000 voters, mostly Blacks don’t have a driver’s license or state approved ID. This adversely affects the elderly and disabled; (3) State Election Board– the new Georgia law created a new Chair of the Board selected by the GOP controlled legislature that has the power to remove any county election official. This means the Republican controlled Board can install partisan hacks to oversee election counts. All these changes may appear insignificant but in close elections can be effective in depressing the Democratic and Black vote. That’s the whole purpose. Georgia Republicans don’t want a repeat of 2020.

    Throughout the country “red” states are erecting unnecessary barriers to voting. In Missouri you can’t vote by mail unless your ballot is notarized. This places an unnecessary burden on people of color, students, the elderly and the disabled. In California every eligible voter is sent a mail-in ballot. You don’t have to request it. In the time of Covid this makes sense and doesn’t result in widespread voter fraud. Republicans make no apologies for what they are doing. In Wisconsin the GOP controlled legislature has imposed similar voter suppression rules. The GOP makes no apologies. A GOP lawmaker was caught on video saying Republicans need to “cheat like the Democrats” (?). But you bizarrely claim what the GOP is doing is just part of the “democratic processes”. If you really believe this I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell you!

    1. Washington and Oregon also have universal vote by mail – works great – King County has about 1 drop box for every 20,000 voters, all of the ones I have seen have 24 hour access. One town I saw has 1 drop box for about 300 voters seems to me. So far the only “voter fraud” I have seen in the news were by Trump voters. Making people stand in line for 8 hours because they have the wrong color skin is Election Fraud and seems to be a common practice in some GOP controlled areas.

  10. I am compelled to agree on the illegitimacy of elections, and the illegitimacy of the unintended consequences of illegitimate elections – just like the still illegitimate “Reconstruction Amendments” of the tyrant Lincoln.

    The 2020 election was stolen.

    President Donald J. Trump let us down.

    America is in a condition of hysteria, incoherence, chaos, anarchy and rebellion.

    President Abraham Lincoln, without mandate at 38.9%, and as Hitler did, seized power, neutralized the legislative and judicial branches, declared martial law, and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Union.”

    President Donald J. Trump must have seized power, neutralized the legislative and judicial branches, declared marital law, and ruled by executive order and proclamation to “Save the Republic.”

    He didn’t.

    Unlike the barbarian dictator, Abraham Lincoln, President Donald J. Trump failed the Constitution, he failed America and he failed the American Republic.


  11. The R claim about election fraud and stealing the election in 2020 was a lie. The D claims now that the Rs are trying to steal future elections are true. Facts matter. Examples.of new (and some old) R tricks since 2020

    Rs putting partisans in charge of election certifications and reserving the right to reject election results.
    Having less voting machines in minority areas leading to long (multi hour) lines while white areas have short lines.
    Coupled with removing and limiting drop boxes,
    Coupled with limiting main in voting,
    Coupled with bans on one person collecting ballots from others who can’t get to the polls,
    Leads to significant voter suppression.
    Also the GA ban on supplying water to those in the long lines is nakedly aimed at suppressing turn out.
    There is a a county that is now trying to have only a single polling location for the entire county.
    Laws allowing more partisans to be in polling locations to challenge and intimidate voters.

    And there are many more. The truth is that the Rs learned their lessons form 2020 and won’t make the same mistakes. They are putting in place the tools they need to really steal an election.

    1. Can’t stop lying no matter what alias you use.

      To this fascist voter suppression means Democrats are stopped from ballot stuffing.

      All people face similar difficulties at the polls. One goes to the polls, lines up and votes.

      Take careful note: Trump and or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 18 out of 25 cases decided on the merits

  12. 164 comments and counting. Why is that? What is the core problem? If we were being honest, isn’t it about how to provide a voting system that does not disenfranchise eligible (defined) citizens? As far as I can tell, that should be a constitutional amendment and the limit of federal intervention in the process. Then each state is responsible for creating the system within each state. Is any of that fundamentally controversial?

    1. Olly, ‘states rights’ was the same argument used to preserve Jim Crow laws. And perhaps not coincidentally, many of the same states passing restrictive voting laws were defending Jim Crow. But now it’s Republicans instead of Dixiecrats making the argument.

      1. States have the right to create voting laws that do not disenfranchise eligible voters. Period. Merely calling those laws more or less restrictive is subjective and meaningless. You have to articulate how a law disenfranchises voters. Here’s a hint: If you view this problem from the perspective of defending the power of one political party over another, then you are part of the problem.

        1. Please cite the Constitution wherein, “States have the right to create voting laws that do not disenfranchise eligible voters.”

          Article 2, Section 1

          The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

          Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress

          1. States have the right to create voting laws…

            Article I Section 4. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

            10th Amendment. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

            …that do not disenfranchise eligible voters.

            14th amendment. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any within its jurisdiction equal protection of the laws.

            15th amendment. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

            19th amendment. The right of the citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

            24th amendment. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

            26th amendment. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

            I’ll toss in the 9th amendment for good measure. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

            I’ll go with that. But go ahead, tear it up. I’m always willing to learn.

            1. At first glance, you’ve “referenced” a right to vote but you haven’t cited the Constitution wherein any right to vote is actually “provided”.

              Inclusion of the “fake” 14th Amendment is without any substance, significance or coherence.

              As you stated previously, you, like Lincoln, obey only the “good” laws you like; by the same token, I fully reject amendments to the Constitution obtained by employment of brute and barbaric military force and improperly ratified under dictatorship and the duress of brutal post-war military occupation.

              The “manner” of elections is “directed” by 50 State legislatures per Art 2, Sec 1, which has not been repealed to my knowledge – perhaps you perceive two Constitutions.

              “26th amendment. The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.”

              The “entitlement” to vote is “directed” by each of 50 States – again, the “right” is referenced but not “provided” by your litany – there is no “right” to vote provided in and by the Constitution.

              1. but you haven’t cited the Constitution wherein any right to vote is actually “provided”.

                The first 10 amendments didn’t “provide” rights either. It documented rights that prexist any form of government. The additional amendments I cited document rights created by our form of government.

                I fully reject amendments to the Constitution obtained by employment of brute and barbaric military force and improperly ratified under dictatorship and the duress of brutal post-war military occupation.

                And you have the natural right to do so.

                The “entitlement” to vote…

                The right to vote is not a natural right, but rather a right created through the ratified Article V amendment process. It’s a right granted by the existence of this form of government and subject to the voting laws this form of government create to secure the right. Perhaps we could agree to call it a privileged right. 🙃

                1. I take your point that the first 10 didn’t literally provide rights, but Article 2 Section 1, has not been repealed and it provides State Legislatures the power to entitle (i.e. provide) or deny the vote.

                  Perhaps we can agree on a certain duality: A presumptive right to vote as you mentioned, and that “…President[s]…shall…be elected…in such manner as the State Legislatures direct….”

                  Article 2, Section 1

                  The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:

                  Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress

                2. Actually, I don’t have a problem providing the vote as your references mentioned. What seems problematic to me, and I believe to the Founders, is the contradiction of allowing people who receive checks from the government to vote for that government. We all know how they will vote.

                  “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”

                  – Alexander Tytler (paraphrased?)

                  1. What seems problematic to me, and I believe to the Founders, is the contradiction of allowing people who receive checks from the government to vote for that government. We all know how they will vote.

                    I receive a pension and disability check from the government. It doesn’t direct how I vote.

                    More problematic is giving those who derive power from the vote the power to determine how the voting process works.

                    1. You are the exception to the rule. Ever heard of the black vote or LBJ, “I’ll have those Africans voting democratic for the next 200 years.” Yep, he paid ’em. How about the Hispanic vote, oh, and my favorite, women?

                      Read “Tytler.”

                      Why do you suppose the Founders in 13 States generally required voters to be male, European, 21 with 50 lbs. Sterling/50 acres, and why did they effect an 11.6% turnout?

                      Like the Ten Commandments, the Constitution hasn’t changed, and it’s been 234 years, the forcibly imposed and still illegitimate “Reconstruction” and improperly ratified 19th dumbmendments notwithstanding (I know that you know that the ACA is immutably unconstitutional, yet it illegally persists – same for HHS, SS, Medicare, Energy, Labor, Education, etc. – check Article 1, Section 8, for constitutional regulation).

                      Why do you suppose there was no inkling of welfare or a welfare state in 1788, and, today, America is totally and completely a welfare state on the verge of collapse with $30 trillion in direct debt and $250 trillion in unfunded liabilities and fractured society? The judicial branch, SCOTUS, failed to do its duty under the sworn oath of Justices, “Support the Constitution.” This is a personal gift for you – the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution.

                      You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

                      Stay thirsty, my friend (I’m just sayin’).

  13. Turley Denies The Obvious:

    Republicans Are Gaming Election Laws

    New laws in GOP-run states have also placed local election officials more overtly under the thumb of state authorities, enabling Republicans to target the election apparatuses of Democratic-leaning localities. In Georgia, for instance, the Republican majority on the State Election Board can suspend local officials and appoint temporary replacements. County boards have the power to decide challenges over voter eligibility and certify election results, so this law creates a conceivable path for Republicans to influence the results in heavily Democratic counties by disqualifying votes based on challenges to individual voters’ eligibility — or even by refusing to certify results.

    Laws in some Republican-controlled states also now include heavy penalties for election officials who supposedly step out of line. Take Iowa, where officials can now face felony charges for failing to carry out election laws or failing to follow the guidance of the secretary of state, who is currently a Republican. They can also be fined $10,000 for “technical infractions” of their duties. Such rules could have a chilling effect whereby local officials may not govern as they see fit out of fear of being targeted.

    Edited From:


    Passages highlighted in blue are links to specific examples of Republicans changing state election laws to game election outcomes.

    1. I just posted to Enigma a list of the court cases involving the election.

      Take careful note: Trump and or the GOP plaintiff prevailed in 18 out of 25 cases decided on the merits

  14. Unlike lying Trumpists, I don’t call ANY investigation a “witch-hunt.” If Durham has got the goods, so be it. Like Turley, I’m for law and order. The conceit of Trumpists is that they think that Trump and his family and associates cannot legitimately be found guilty by a liberal jury overseen by a Judge appointed by a Democrat. Such trials are rigged.

      1. Again, like Turley, I have faith in our legal system. He reproaches those who accuse judges of being partisan. You have a profound lack of faith in our American way. You must think Turley an Establishment hack for not sharing your deep-seated “Deep State” fears.

  15. Yo yo yo! Listen up y’all!

    This Sunday January 23 in Washington DC

    DEFEAT the MANDATES Rally! 250,000+ health-freedom fighters expected to be there!

    We are on the front lines of the most important battle in history. This is a battle to save our democracy, freedom and civil liberties from the totalitarian cartel that is trying to rob us of our inalienable rights.

    This will be a historic event uniting everyone who wants to reclaim individual liberties, reinstate democratic principles and refuse to comply with un-American mandates. Please join us for “Defeat the Mandates: An American Homecoming” this Sunday in Washington, D.C.

    1. “Yo,” what is that, ebonics? Y’all is Southern, right, or is that ebonics too? You’re confusing at a minimum…you’re so…”diworse!”


      It will be known as the “Pro-Covid” rally. Republicans calculate that obstructing mandates is key to prolonging the pandemic so they can claim ‘Biden failed’.

      1. Prominent Democrats are part of the rally, including Robert Kennedy Jr. It is non-partisan, pro-freedom, pro-civil rights, pro-science, but anti-mandates, anti-coercion, anti-force, anti-discrimination. There have been pro-health-freedom marches like this all over Europe and cities around the world.

        1. Vaccinated and Unvaccinated ALL marching FOR FREEDOM to CHOOSE Bodily Autonomy without being FORCED or coerced by Government Mandates that do NOT recognize natural immunity as better protection than vaccine-induced immunity that has been shown not to last — which is why they require booster after booster to maintain any protection.

          This is a PRO-SCIENCE, PRO-CHOICE, PRO-FREEDOM Rally.

      2. In case you didn’t notice, it was Democrats who obstructed everything during Trump’s time at the helm — they made sure he wouldn’t have a single win and they impeached for far less than what we know Biden and his admin have already done in just one year. That’s a fact.

      3. Biden is ‘failing’ all on his own — no help needed from Republicans. His own incompetence plus his own incompetent cabinet are what we call ‘the Titanic.’

        A reminder that McConnell and a whole bunch of Republicans in both Senate and House helped Biden pass some of his big items like infrastructure. You are simply repeating Biden/Democrat talking points, not to be mistaken for fact.

      4. Last comment…it is curious you assume those “obstructing mandates” are only Republicans and Unvaccinated. Completely wrong. It includes those who are vaccinated, yet still oppose coercion, government force, vaccine passports — including R and D and I. All over the world this is happening. But the media here do not want these health freedom movements gaining traction, so they do not give any airtime showing the demonstrations and protests filling the streets in cities around the world.

      5. “Republicans calculate that obstructing mandates is key to prolonging the pandemic . . .”

        Right. The protests have nothing to do with the barbarity of government forcing an individual to undergo a medical procedure.

        The only ones “prolonging the pandemic” are public health officials (e.g., Lord Fauci) and sundry politicians (e.g., Biden and various governors). They benefit from a never-ending “pandemic” by using it as a rationalization to control people, to receive unearned fame and money, and to deflect from an economy they’re destroying.

        Decent people want to get on with their lives. It’s power lusters who are the pandemic-hucksters.

  16. What happens if John “Dudley-Will-He-Do-Right” Durham says it?

    “Something Wicked This Way Comes”

  17. OFF Topic: Ty Cobb & Joe Jackson:

    Every time I read about these scumbags we elect as politicians and their antics, I need something akin to a divinely inspired rainbow to calm me down and restore some hope. Luckily, I am a member of a old time baseball group that discusses old players, teams, games etc. Today, we were talking about Ty Cobb. Cobb’s granddaughter, Cindy, who is a member of the group, related a not-so-well-known story about Cobb and his adventures in the late 1930s.

    Seems well after his playing days were over, Cobb was traveling through Greenville, South Carolina when he decided to stop in — fresh off Prohibition, mind you — at a local clapboard liquor store and buy a bottle of bourbon. The Georgia Peach entered the humble premises and spied then-disgraced ballplayer, “Shoeless Joe” Jackson, famous (or infamous) to the casual fan for the 1919 Black Sox scandal that had throttled the sport with the taint of bribery and the throwing of World Series’ games. Though Jackson was exonerated in court and played a fabulous Series (BA .375, no errors and pegging a runner at the plate to save a run), his “name was mud” in the colloquial language of the day and he was running a broken down hootch house in Bible Belt South Carolina with his wife, Katie. You tell me about the couple’s financial prospects there.

    Anyway, the ever-confident Cobb stode in and went to the counter and asked for his bottle. Cobb stared at the now aged ballplayer with whom he had maintained a friendship through countless seasons and kept on staring as the proprietor went about his business of selecting, wrapping and writing out the bill all with not a wit of recognition or acknowledgement between arguably the two greatest ballplayers of any era. Finally, Cobb had reached the limits of his patience and bellowed out, “For God’s sakes, Joe, don’t you remember me?” Jackson somberly replied, “Well, sure, I remember you, Ty. I just didn’t think anyone wanted to remember me anymore.”

    I love this story as it reveals so much about the humble Jackson and the generous Cobb who obviously knew about the faux scandal involving the former White Sox player but acknowledged his old friend just the same. Something gratifyingly human about subtle virtue, shining loyalty and shared repect. Our current crop of leaders could learn libraries about class, forgiveness and decency from two old ballplayers in a ramshackle country store on a dusty day in Greenville, South Carolina.

  18. “Napoleon Bonaparte once observed that ‘History is a set of lies agreed upon.’”

    – Professor Turley

    Truer words were never spoken. The momentous, grand “…set of lies agreed upon…” in American history is that of Abraham Lincoln. America survived for 71 years until it was obliterated by the wrath of comrade Lincoln. Denying fully constitutional secession, causing an unconstitutional war of aggression against a sovereign foreign nation, imposing unconstitutional military conscription which sparked the New York City draft riots of 1863, suspending habeas corpus, denying free speech/press, smashing printing presses, imprisoning publishers and political opponents, denying constitutional private property rights, confiscating private property, violating contemporary immigration laws, failing to secure borders, failing to repulse an invasion by illegal immigration, failing to deport illegal aliens, committing election fraud and vote tampering, and, ultimately, improperly amending the Constitution after the destruction and coercion of illegal total war, and under brutal post-war military occupation, are not acts accretive to the spirit and dominion of the Constitution and Bill of Rights in America. Understanding that slavery must and would have been ended by constitutional means, such as advocacy, boycotts, divestiture, etc., the one American statue that absolutely must be torn down is that of Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln never approached being an American hero; Lincoln was the destroyer of America, in his own estimation and by his own admission.

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we lose our freedoms it will be because we have destroyed ourselves from within.”

    – Abraham Lincoln (paraphrased)

    “At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

    – Abraham Lincoln

    After Lincoln’s wholly unconstitutional, tyrannical and barbarian “Reign of Terror,” Lincoln’s “set of lies” lives on as the communist governmental structure in America. Lincoln committed treason by “…adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort…,” which Lincoln did for the benefit of Karl Marx. Lincoln espoused communism and was supported and commended by his mentor, Karl Marx.

    “These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”

    – Abraham Lincoln, from his first speech as an Illinois state legislator, 1837

    “Everyone now is more or less a Socialist.”

    – Charles Dana, managing editor of the New York Tribune, and Lincoln’s assistant secretary of war, 1848

    “The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world.”

    – Karl Marx, In His Letter To Lincoln, 1864

    Anti-constitutionalist and anti-American Abraham Lincoln’s “set of lies” lives on, awaiting correction.

    “[We gave you] a [restricted-vote] republic, if you can keep it.”

    – Ben Franklin

    You couldn’t.

    “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

    – Declaration of Independence, 1776

    You should.

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