I recently wrote how public educators and unions were methodically killing public education. The best example this week comes from New York where a school board committee has solved the dismal math and reading scores for children in the system . . . they lowered the standards. This is not the first system to gut its standards rather than improve its quality of education. As teachers and unions object to school choice, they continue to make the case for private education. Parents are increasingly voting with their feet. The board is simply calling the lack of proficiency “the new normal” and changing the standards. Done.
New York will permanently lower the math and reading proficiency standards after embarrassing results in state testing. It is akin to shortening the 100 yards dash to 50 yards to stay competitive on speed.
“A scoring committee that reports to the Board of Regents said Monday that they must take into account the results of last year’s tests for students in grades three through eight. Some schools posted shocking results — in Schenectady, no eighth grader who took the math test scored as proficient. And the scores for the third through eighth grade tests throughout the state were much lower in 2022 than in 2019, a result no doubt of the absence of in-person learning during the first year and beyond of the COVID-19 pandemic.”
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In a perfect world, public school performance differences among the states would regress toward the mean as the lower-performing states improved. So, in recent decades, it has been disappointing to see a decline in California’s public schools as a result of immigration and an exodus of higher-performing students. And now, even more disappointing, is the lowering of performance standards in New York’s public schools as a strategy to hide racial disparities.
Pretty soon, this will be happening at med schools.
“Pretty soon, this will be happening at med schools.”
Tragically, that train of toxic ideas already left the station:
“After years of lowering standards for applicants, medical schools are more diverse than ever before. Yet new studies show that many students are struggling, putting their future patients and careers at risk. Rather than revisit the means by which they are pursuing diversity, however, the medical elite want to double down on their failing course.” (https://www.newsweek.com/diversity-delusion-comes-health-care-opinion-1725699)
Commenters who compare NY’s educational horrors to content controversies in Florida would be thrilled to see Americans of color eager to attend every protest of the white man’s evils, even if most won’t show due to those racist Three R’s, readin’ (maps and road signs must be read), ‘ritten (got to write down those important dates and times), and ‘rithmetic (need math to manage money).
“A scoring committee that reports to the Board of Regents”
Making the case to get the State-level out of education. And, making the case for parents and taxpayers to actually pay attention to the education of children and to reshoulder their responsibilities in local public education. The system is floundering because of too much bureaucracy, NGOs etc getting their sticky fingers in the mix, and perhaps worst of all a lack of attention by the community at large (especially by conservatives–very few Hillsdale-oriented conservatives out there, sadly).
Not knowing or even thinking about the purposes of education is Ignorance and a piece of that Doom the Ghost of Christmas Present warned of.
Certainly more effective than old fashion grade inflation.
Idiocracy was a cautionary tale not guidebook.
They can’t teach your children properly but in Florida they have tried to groom your child. This book was banned in public schools in Florida. https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Gender_Quest_Workbook.html?id=xpIfCwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&gboemv=1#v=onepage&q&f=false. If you want to give this book to your kid do it but don’t indoctrinate my kid.
So many of these schools are not schools for the “public” – but are government schools. Schools that engender larger government, that have teacher unions in control, that make sure everyone gets that trophy and no student’s feelings are hurt with accurate but poor grades (in classes or on tests). If one thinks NY is bad, you should live in New Mexico and learn about the terrible failures of many of its government school districts – and D-led state that has now created a new cabinet level job to make state government bigger and education at the hands of government worse.
THE INJURIOUS TENDENCY OF DISCORDANT INTERMIXTURE
“The student body at the schools served by New York City Public Schools is 14.6% White, 24.7% Black, 16.1% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 41% Hispanic/Latino, 1.2% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.5% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.”
– U.S. News & World Report
“Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom?”
“If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here.”
– Thomas Jefferson
“The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.”
– Alexander Hamilton
“[There is no particular need for the U.S. to encourage immigration] except of useful mechanics and some particular descriptions of men or professions.”
“The policy or advantage of its taking place in a body (I mean the settling of them in a body) may be much questioned; for by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them.”
– George Washington
“[Emigrants from Scotland…typically brought with them certificates from] the religious societies to which they belonged that testified to their good character, [something similar must be required of all those wishing to settle here].”
– Rufus King
Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802 (four confirming iterations)
United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof…
Please watch the 2006 film – “Idiocracy” – it predicts the future accurately
Equity = everyone equally dumb
‘No child left behind’ leaves all children behind. One student suffers every student suffers. That’s only fair… right?
Diversity, Inequity, Exclusion (DIEversity)
Equity in law and governance is the absence of bias and/or favoritism, no matriculation affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.
Lowest common denominator.
Well, since I was a kid growing up the South we knew those NY yankees were dumb for calling us such but we had no idea they were stupid, too. Thanks, “yous guys” for edifying we simple country folk in the ways of sophistication. We’ll enjoy your lifestyle crash landing, y’all.
Jonathan: You complain that what is going on in NY is “killing public education” and is gutting “its standards rather than improve its quality of education”. What you don’t want to discuss is conservative FL Gov. DeSantis’ “anti-Woke” agenda that is dumbing down the quality of education in spades in the sunshine state.
The Florida Citizens Alliance, a conservative group supported by DeSantis, is calling for the rejection of 28 of the 38 textbooks reviewed for use in FL schools. The FCA rejected one McGraw Hill 5th grade textbook because it mentioned slavery–no less than 189 times. Horror of horrors! Another 8th grade textbook was rejected because it gave too much attention to the “negative side” of the treatment of Native Americans. FCA thought the textbook should give more emphasis to NA acts of violence–like the Massacre of 1633 when Powhatan warriors killed 300 English colonists. Studies Weekly, that serves younger children in FL with weekly science and social science subjects, had a story dealing with Rosa Parks. In SW’s first version it clearly stated: “The law said African Americans had to give up their seats on the bus if a White person wanted to sit down”. In a subsequent version called for by the FCA crowd, the phrase was changed to read: “She [Rosa Parks] was told to move to a different seat”. No mention of segregation and racism as the reason Parks had to give up her seat. Just a few examples of how DeSantis’ “anti-Woke” agenda is having a negative effect on the quality of public education in FL schools. Add to this is the fact that teachers are being censored and penalized for not adopting the new “anti-Woke” teaching standards. Hundreds of book titles have been removed from school libraries.
All this is happening in violation of FL law that mandates the teaching of race and the racial history of the country. DeSantis just ignores the law when it serves his political purposes. Now if you were really interested in improving public education you would address how DeSantis is “killing public education”. I guess not because when conservatives do it that’s OK.
Your president showers with his daughter. He favors the mutilation of small boys and girls. He is in love with murdering the unborn. He is in favor of live sex acts by men dressed as women in front of children. You are all degenerate freaks. Your version of “knowledge” and education is destroying the Nation.
I call em evil, for short.
So, ,dumping books that were not-so-thinly-veiled porn, and others that fomented racial hate, is dumbing down? Let’s wait for the test scores before you say things like that, maybe?
Talk to your financial adviser, your doctor & your lawyer & see if you should move your money to one of important special banks like JP Morgan, Wells Fargo then you can rush down & get Dr Fauci’s latest 2 mRNA shots.
Parents don’t want their young children exposed to pornography and pediphila – go suck on that and stop criticizing Florida.
Once again Dennis McIntyre never discusses the content of the books he says are banned in Florida schools. Here’s a list of the books that Dennis doesn’t want you to know about. https://bookshop.org/lists/58-books-banned-from-walton-county-fl-public-school-libraries. If you like you can choose to stay in the dark with Dennis.
Dennis – let’s check the standard test scores for Florida students in a couple of years and see if Florida is in front of or behind the national average. I would bet that they will be ahead. You also fail to make any connection between “the FCA crowd” and any actions taken by Gov. DeSantis.
This was about NY- try to stay focused…. typical democrat attempt at deflection= denied, thanks for playing.
Allow Mr. McIntyre to govern schooling and graduates will always be at the ready to join a march against evil whitey, but they’ll never make it because even if they’ve successfully hid their car from the repo man (balancing a budget is so racist), they’ll get lost on the way because they won’t be able to read the road signs.
So, you’re opposed to a balanced approach in teaching history?
Dennis McIntyre wrote, “Jonathan: You complain that what is going on in NY is “killing public education” and is gutting “its standards rather than improve its quality of education”.” and then McIntyre projectile vomited an anti-DeSantis whataboutism deflection screed that had absolutely nothing to do with what Jonathan Turley posted and absolutely nothing that McIntyre wrote contradicted anything that Turley wrote. Your comment is PURE deflection.
Seriously Dennis, is trolling your paid profession or are you just an over-enthusiastic hobbyist?
Sir, the peasants are revolting.
They certainly are.
Are they? School board meetings in my area get retirees worried about the budget and taxes and a few liberals supporting the reimagining of education. Where are the patriots? Where are the traditionalists wishing to preserve or rebuild an education worthy of a free people? Do they think everything is fine and dandy or good enough? Are they going along to get along? Are they too busy?
I do not see the peasants fighting to make sure their kids are learning grammar and writing or research, geography, History, the Great Works in literature or music or art, etc.
Essentially no one comes to ask hard questions about this or that policy or the curriculum or the materials and resources being used. I wish they would.
So, is it the perspective of Mr. Or Mrs. Tweedy? 😉 I say with a wink and a breaking heart. I pray it becomes Mr. Tweedy’s perspective.
I do not see the peasants fighting to make sure their kids are learning grammar and writing or research, geography, History, the Great Works in literature or music or art, etc.
Perhaps that’s because your eyes are closed. News reports with video of such parents at school board meetings are legion. Usually they take the form of protests against radical gender ideology, pornographic books, and anti-American propaganda, and for the traditional subjects you mention.
“Perhaps that’s because your eyes are closed.”
Glad that people are waking up in those areas.
Those videos are not representative, unfortunately. Even if a district does not have woke nonsense in the classroom, that does not mean they are teaching the Great Works. Are the kids learning Shakespeare? More than just Romeo and Juliet? Are they learning Longfellow, Thoreau, Hemingway, Twain, Tennyson, Whitman, Whittier, Hughes, Sophocles or Wilder? Are they learning about Marathon or Thermopylae? Justinian? Marcus Aurelius? The Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Aztecs, Incas, the Chin, the Mongols? Do they know anything of Cicero, Seneca, Plutarch? Sir Francis Bacon or Leuwenhook?
How can we have great ideas if we know nothing of the past? How can we see the mistakes of the present and be better than forebears, while still recognizing we stand, perhaps unsteadily, on the shoulders of giants.
For want of an education, a nation will be lost.
“Perhaps that’s because your eyes are closed.”
You are correct Oldman. Prairie’s eyes are closed. The last I looked 50,000 children were denied placement in a NYC charter school. That is because the world doesn’t sing to her tune. The teachers union, Democrat Party and school boards are more intent on indoctrination than having educated children. Thus while Prairies eyes are closed another 50,000 students won’t get the needed education. They are just the tip of the iceberg.
You are changing the subject, S. Meyer.
There are conservative districts and what I say is true.
The whole nation does not look like the catastrophe of NYC, thank goodness! Break up the NYC school board so it is more governable. It is too big.
No locale is ungovernable, though, no matter the size, if the people of these places do not participate. If the people do not participate, then we have lost the republic and we are living in only what appears and not what is. 🙁
” Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death’s dream kingdom”
Madison’s eyes? Jefferson’s eyes?
We should bow our heads in shame.
But, then, convicted, we should stand and make it right. “Do not go gentle into that good night.”
“The whole nation does not look like the catastrophe of NYC, thank goodness!”
Some are better and many are worse. However, 50,000 students being denied a requested education is larger than the total of students in many cities. We can learn from NYC what was done right ,and how the teacher’s union and politicians react to providing a better education for students.
You have all sorts of suggestions when a proven solution exists and your suggestions have been made yearly, but 50,000 students a year are denied an education. Don’t you think it is time to change your rhetoric? Think of what Einstein said about repeatedly doing the same thing.
” If the people do not participate, then we have lost the republic “
That is your defeated attitude. I people don’t participate, educate the young so they do. But, your answer is to keep doing the same thing and failing every time.
“how the teacher’s union and politicians react to providing a better education for students.”
Parents are failing their children by not shouldering the responsibility of making sure they get a good education. If you do not have a good education yourself, look to those who do. Ben Carson’s mom cleaned rich people’s homes. She noticed they did not turn the TV on much. She noticed there were shelves of many sorts of books. Things changed in the Carson household at that point. He was expected to read library books and give reports about the books. His mother made sure he wasn’t running around at all hours.
Poor as dirt pioneers made sure their kids aimed for a good education because they cared and they paid attention.
It seems you disagree that the NYC school district should be broken up? 50,000 families can make a heck of a difference in smaller school districts. Hard to improve things if a district has MILLIONS of kids. Then the district is run by special interests and agendas rather than taxpayers and parents.
Do you know the size of the New York City school districts? I don’t think so. Do you know who controls the New York City school district? I don’t think so.
50,000 students were asking for charter schools in New York City which controls the education of the students has done a little except to make it more difficult for them to get a place in the charter Thank you so much school.
It is not just charter schools that make the difference. It is the competition something our socialized school system doesn’t offer. And why do you want to prevent competition when that is the basis for capitalism and the public school system is the basis for socialism?
“50,000 students were asking for charter schools in New York City which controls the education of the students has done a little except to make it more difficult for them to get a place in the charter Thank you so much school.”
Break up the centralized control. Let the people in areas of no more than 2000-4000 kids/district control the education. Do not allow party lines be declared as people run for school board so the main focus has to stay on the kids and the quality of education. People won’t bother to look into what people are running on if all they have to do is look to see if there is an R or a D or a whatever after their name.
“The City School District of the City of New York is the largest school system in the United States, with over 1.1 million students taught in more than 1,800 separate schools. The department covers all five boroughs of New York City, and has an annual budget of $38 billion. The department is run by the Panel for Educational Policy and New York City Schools Chancellor.”
It seems to me that you do not want to break this up into more manageable (by the people) bites. Why isn’t this a good idea? Why does this department need to cover all five boroughs? Are the boroughs themselves even too big for this job? What about even smaller sections?
“It is not just charter schools that make the difference. It is the competition something our socialized school system doesn’t offer.”
It is NOT the competition. It is the sense of purpose; it is the structure, consistency, and discipline; it is the expectations; it is the breadth of knowledge and the reasons for learning it and how to make use of that knowledge at many levels–for the pleasure of just knowing what is in the world to how complex things work so we can best confront, manage, and scale challenges in the many arenas of our lives, etc.
“And why do you want to prevent competition when that is the basis for capitalism and the public school system is the basis for socialism?”
That strikes me as an oversimplification. Our public school system fits into the system and structure of a constitutional republic. It is Jeffersonian.
“Break up the centralized control. ”
What do you think your public school system is? Centralized control.
“It seems to me that you do not want to break this up into more manageable (by the people) bites. ”
It seems you do not understand what manageable bites are.
“It is NOT the competition. It is the sense of purpose; ”
So says every socialist.
“it is the structure, consistency, and discipline;”
Where are those features in NYC public schools? They exist in the charter school system.
“That strikes me as an oversimplification. Our public school system fits into the system and structure of a constitutional republic. It is Jeffersonian.”
Is it Jeffersonian to graduate illiterate and innumerate children from high school?
“What do you think your public school system is? Centralized control.”
Not if it is confined to small locales/towns. People know each other. They elect their neighbors.
Control gets wrested from people the larger the system is and the more detached it is from the voters and taxpayers. School board members in towns see and interact with those who elected them when they go to church, the grocery store, local district events.
“Is it Jeffersonian to graduate illiterate and innumerate children from high school?”
Jefferson would probably say the people of NYC broke the system. He’d probably wonder why kids weren’t being failed and held back a grade if they couldn’t pass. He’d probably wonder why the parents weren’t expecting better and holding the schools to account. In NYC it looks to me as an outsider that everyone is just a number, including the public schools. Easy to get lost and ignored in a system like that–you’re just a number at a number. That’s a kind of innumeracy–when the numbers don’t really mean anything anymore; in that system, they don’t mean neighbors to the people at the top.
“Not if it is confined to small locales/towns. People know each other. They elect their neighbors.”
I specifically limited the argument to NYC schools where scientific studies exist. You are changing the subject. If a school system is fantastic, who would such change?
“Control gets wrested from people the larger the system is… ”
You don’t know the systems except superficially where you live. Don’t pretend you do.
“Jefferson would probably say the people of NYC broke the system. He’d probably wonder why kids weren’t being failed and held back a grade…”
You don’t know what Jefferson would do. Did he mention K-12 in the Declaration of Independence? It would be helpful if you read more about Jefferson and colonial times. Jefferson and our forefathers were educated in a private system and voluntary associations. There was only minimal government involvement that occurred in certain colonies.
““It is NOT the competition. It is the sense of purpose; ”
So says every socialist.”
I disagree. That does not follow. Everyone needs a sense of purpose.
Schools need to know to what purpose they educate students, then they have a worthy goal. Right now the focus is on getting good scores on standardized tests and being “career-ready”. That’s it? No self-governance? No building of wise and good and well-rounded individuals? Educated just enough to think you maybe ought to vote? Students should be educated to aim to wrestle with ideas and problems as the Founders did and that takes curiosity, broad knowledge and an ability to communicate.
What kind of education is necessary to build a free person? It is not just the accumulated knowledge or the skills, though important. It is also the perspective of what role do you play in life? What role should you play in a self-governing constitutional republic? Should you take a back seat, letting others determine the direction of your life? (No.) Do you ask questions? (Yes.) Do listen to others, too? (Yes.) Do you stand up when help and leadership is needed? (Yes.) Do you shoulder responsibility? (Yes.) Do you search for the Truth of the matter in all things, especially asking this of yourself? (Yes.)
“I disagree. That does not follow. Everyone needs a sense of purpose.”
One does not exclude the other. Public schools have a purpose, educating children, but they have not fulfilled that purpose. Competition provides a means to the end.
Stop telling us what schools should do. You failed to provide an answer to the 50,000 students in NYC. You are promoting a failed socialist system linked to political indoctrination. Your words are meaningless and without appropriate action.
“We can learn from NYC what was done right ,and how the teacher’s union and politicians react to providing a better education for students.”
In the end, it is still the school board that makes the final vote. If they are not aware of what is going on in classrooms or do not have enough conversations about what is going well and what isn’t, then it is awfully difficult to make changes. Perhaps administrators shouldn’t be so enamored of educational fads. Core Knowledge isn’t a fad; it seems to have the old fashioned idea that knowledge matters, writing matters, mastery matters, the best and most important of what the world has to offer, past and present, matters–and, too, that what beget our country matters.
“50,000 students a year are denied an education. ”
Denied to them by whom? There are public schools available. A huge part of the quality of your education is what *you* make of it. Are they making the most of them? Are they going to class? Doing their homework? Taking extra time to study and learn? Are their parents encouraging them to deepen their knowledge? Are their parents expecting them to stay home and finish their homework–maybe even do a little extra? I met an immigrant who not only made sure his kids stayed inside to finish their homework before going to play with friends, he also expected them to read the next chapter, too. He expected mastery and worked with his kids–even when English was not their first language. His kids hated his high expectations and strictness at the time–but, they all went to college and got advanced degrees in things like neuroscience.
So, who, exactly, is denying these kids an education? If a bunch of power-playing, prestige-chasing cronies are on the big board, then voters need to call a referendum to vote them out, perhaps call on the city to break up that big board so smaller areas (no more than 2,000-4,000 students per district) are in control of their own education.
“Don’t you think it is time to change your rhetoric?”
No. I will not promote charter schools when they run counter to the function of a republic, put more power and money into corporations, and treat taxpayers as a feeding trough.
” If the people do not participate, then we have lost the republic “
“That is your defeated attitude. I people don’t participate, educate the young so they do. But, your answer is to keep doing the same thing and failing every time.”
It has nothing to do with attitude–it is an observation. People must participate in a self-governing society. Our constitutional republic rests on we the people. We choose from amongst ourselves representatives to discuss and vote on legislation. Those representatives cannot as effectively fulfill their duties if we the people do not pay attention to proposed legislation and communicate to them our thoughts about said proposed legislation. The representatives may themselves have trouble keeping up with all the reading that must be done, not to mention thinking about the pros/cons of the proposed legislation. How can they possible think of every ramification by themselves? They are only supposed to be representing a wider group of people–people who are *supposed to* be paying attention to and thinking about these things too! Perhaps too much legislation (too many proposed rules) are coming before these boards, councils, and legislatures–that certainly may be the case with the likes of entities like ALEC or other NGOs crafting things for their own agendas.
My answer is to preserve the structure of our constitutional republic and keep the power in the hands of the people. My answer is to keep the structure of schools more or less the same but to change what is taught within the walls so that we are preparing young people to shoulder the responsibilities of adulthood–one of the very most important of these responsibilities if of citizenship and all that entails. It ain’t just about voting.
“In the end, it is still the school board that makes the final vote.”
You have placed the commune above the individual. There are families of 50,000 students waiting for a chance for a better education, and your only answer is to continue the same depriving millions of students of appropriate education.
That is how socialism works. Deprivation. All of your talk that follows doesn’t enhance the education of these students
>“50,000 students a year are denied an education.
>>Denied to them by whom? There are public schools available. A huge part of the quality of your education is what *you* make of it. ”
We are talking about young children. They haven’t learned how to research, much less read.
Your statement, “quality of your education is what *you* make of it. ” is ridiculous.
“I met an immigrant who not only made sure his kids stayed inside to finish their homework before going to play with friends, he also expected them to read the next chapter, too.”
Congratulations. You met someone who understands what is needed. That is what the charter schools demand, but where the public schools fail.
“My answer is to preserve the structure of our constitutional republic and keep the power in the hands of the people.”
Your answer is a failed socialized system that lacks competition where the treatment of students is equally bad.
“It ain’t just about voting.”
Did you never hear of voting with your feet?
“We are talking about young children. They haven’t learned how to research, much less read.”
Presumedly these children have adults in their lives who also buy clothes and food. If these adults are having trouble reading and researching, they should find someone who can help them. Surely someone in their neighborhood or a nearby church can read.
“break up that big board so smaller areas (no more than 2,000-4,000 students per district) are in control of their own education.”
What are your thoughts on breaking up the NYC Dept of Ed so they aren’t trying to educate over a million kids? Put the responsibility on neighborhoods with neighborhood schools.
“Presumedly these children have adults in their lives who also buy clothes and food. If these adults are having trouble reading and researching, they should find someone who can help them.”
They found a better solution, charter schools. Some of them have children in public schools and charter schools because of the lottery system and not enough space permitted in charter schools. The parents did as you suggested, but you wish to prevent them from acting on behalf of their children. You are more to blame than those parents.
“What are your thoughts on breaking up the NYC Dept of Ed so they aren’t trying to educate over a million kids? Put the responsibility on neighborhoods with neighborhood schools.”
You don’t know how the NYC Dept of Ed functions, so don’t pretend you do.
The LAUSD is about to call a full strike on Monday, the Hell that teacher’s unions care about ANYTHING but money.
Every [unPlanned] Child Left Behind
I wonder how things would be if fetuses could vote?