The Biden ‘Brand’: Devon Archer Reveals the ‘Niceties’ of Influence-Peddling

Below is my column in The Messenger on the new evidence supplied by Hunter Biden’s close friend and former business associate Devon Archer. The effort of Rep. Dan Goldman to spin the damaging testimony spiraled out of control as it did in his prior effort to question IRS whistleblowers. Goldman is demanding that any further investigations stop immediately after a key witness showed that President Biden has been lying for years in denying that he had any knowledge of his son’s foreign dealings. Archer discussed over 20 calls from Joe Biden and the use of the calls to “sell the brand.” The second Trump impeachment was launched on the basis for a single phone call, but Goldman insists that the millions that were received by the Bidens, the countervailing whistleblower testimony, the proven false statements, and the allegation of bribery are all insufficient to ask any further questions.

Here is the column:

“There were niceties.” That description by Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) of calls between President Joe Biden, his son Hunter, and Hunter’s foreign business associates may, strangely, be the most accurate thing the freshman congressman has ever said.

The almost-two-dozen calls — detailed by Hunter Biden’s close friend and former business partner, Devon Archer, during a closed-door interview Monday with House Oversight Committee investigators — were indeed “the niceties” of influence-peddling. The calls presumably were intended to show that Hunter Biden could deliver his father and to support what Archer called “the brand.” Hunter had no relevant experience or appreciable business skills, but he had the vice president of the United States on speed-dial.

The selection of Goldman as the only committee Democrat in the interview was ironic. Goldman was a Democratic staff attorney when the House impeached Donald Trump in 2019 largely on the basis of a single telephone call to the president of Ukraine. Now, however, Goldman is calling for an immediate cessation of any further investigation, in an almost comical display of denial and deflection.

Goldman helped demolish Biden’s long-standing defense in another hearing just a week earlier. In an effort to defuse the testimony of two IRS whistleblowers, who said Hunter received special protection from their criminal investigation, Goldman tripped the wire and elicited testimony that Joe Biden may in fact have spoken with his son about foreign dealings — something the president has denied for years.

Goldman said that “Joe Biden came to say hello at the Four Seasons hotel to a lunch that he [Hunter Biden] was having” with Chinese energy company executives. He then read from the record how another Hunter associate, Rob Walker, described the origins of that meeting with the Chinese to get his father to stop by: “Hunter told his dad that ‘I may be trying to start a company or try to do something with these guys.’” As with the twenty-some phone calls, Goldman dismissed Joe Biden’s sudden appearance as a fatherly drive-by.

On Monday, Goldman tried to dismiss a trusted Hunter Biden partner who was detailing how the then-vice president was critical to selling “the brand.” The new spin was to admit that the senior Biden did speak with Hunter’s business associates but only to exchange “niceties” when he was put on speakerphone at meetings and dinners. Goldman noted that Archer testified the elder Biden did not discuss “any business dealings or transactions” and said it would be a “preposterous premise to think that a father should not say hello to people that the son is at dinner with.”

What is truly preposterous is Goldman’s suggestion that these figures would have discussed corrupt deliverables on a speakerphone in restaurants. That was not the point of the calls. The point would have been that Hunter and his team were selling access, and the calls with his vice president/father confirmed that he was deliverable.

In Washington, influence-peddling is an art form, and the Bidens appear to be political Rembrandts. Demands are conveyed through as few people as possible. For example, Archer reportedly detailed how, in 2015, Mykola Zlochevsky and Vadym Pozharski, two executives of the Ukrainian energy firm Burisma, pressed Hunter to “get help from D.C.” to fire a Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption. Archer reportedly said that Hunter, Zlochevsky and Pozharski stepped away to make a call.

That is how it is done — not on a speakerphone in a popular restaurant filled with political and media figures while ordering more breadsticks.

Then-Vice President Biden, who oversaw U.S. support for Ukraine, later made a billion-dollar aid package dependent on the prosecutor’s firing. The prosecutor was promptly fired, as Joe Biden himself later bragged.

That is why Hunter allegedly could tell Chinese business associates that “The Bidens are the best at doing exactly what the Chairman wants.” What that corporate chairman wanted, of course, was influence.

It increasingly appears to have been no idle boast. The very things that Rep. Goldman and others are citing is what has long made the Bidens — in the minds of many — the first family of influence-peddling. Business associates were told to use code names for Joe Biden like “the big guy,” according to reports, and used a labyrinth of accounts to transfer money to family members, according to House investigators.

Democrats have demanded to see evidence of direct payments to Joe Biden, which would be an amateur-hour move. The accounts of the president and vice president are some of the most scrutinized in the world, subject to reporting requirements and vulnerable to congressional subpoenas.

Finally, Hunter’s laptop emails detail a variety of alleged benefits to the Biden family. One referenced a 10% cut on a deal for the “big guy.” Other arrangements included free offices for Joe and Jill Biden and donations to foundations linked to the Bidens.

Devon Archer’s new evidence apparently brings this picture further into focus: As Hunter and his partners pitched “the brand,” Joe Biden apparently supplied the bona fides by stopping by lunches or calling into dinners.

That would be all that was needed to net millions of dollars.

In weeks to come, Congress is expected to release information on additional foreign payments going to the Biden family from additional sources. That’s the value of branding. As Starbucks founder Howard Schultz once observed, “If people believe they share values with a company, they will stay loyal to the brand.” It appears that the Bidens shared some values with the foreign oligarchs and operatives who embraced their brand. The rest was — well, in the words of Rep. Goldman, just “niceties.”

Jonathan Turley, an attorney, constitutional law scholar and legal analyst, is the Shapiro Chair for Public Interest Law at The George Washington University Law School. 

259 thoughts on “The Biden ‘Brand’: Devon Archer Reveals the ‘Niceties’ of Influence-Peddling”

  1. When Trump said that Hunter Biden received 3.5 million from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow he was right. Hunter responded by saying that she gave the money to Rosemont Seneca and that he was not the owner of Rosemont Senaca.

    Rosemont Seneca Partners, LLC
    Hunter Biden’s Rosemont Seneca financed a company that partnered with Peter Daszak, Shi Zhengli and the Wuhan lab.
    Hunter Biden, Joe Biden’s son, and Christopher Heinz, John Kerry stepson, formed Rosemont Seneca Partners, a private equity firm in 2009 with their friend, Devon Archer. The three friends established a series of related LLCs.[1] It was anchored to Rosemont Capital, the alternative investment fund of the Heinz family fortune.[2] The fund grew quickly. According to an email revealed as part of a Securities and Exchange Commission investigation, Rosemont described themselves as “a $2.4 billion private equity firm co-owned by Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz,” with Devon Archer as “Managing Partner.”
    Hunter and Joe think that we are too stupid to figure out that they were receiving millions from Russian, Ukrainian, Romanian and Chineses oligarchs. Like Professor Turley says there is much more to come in the months ahead.

    1. TiT,
      I think it was Tom whom I was responding to about what leftists Democrats do when faced with uncomfortable things like facts, they pretend it never happened.
      The NYT getting a Pulitzer for their so-called reporting about the Steele Dossier that turned out to be a hoax. Why havent they given that one back? If asked, do those reporters quietly cough and quickly change the subject?
      Of course they do!
      And on pigs, I would bet mine are more intelligent then most leftists Democrats. You can dress one up, put lipstick on it and they all can still see (more like smell) that is a male.

  2. For a while, Democrats loved having cognitively impaired Joe Biden as president, because he was an empty vessel into which the most extreme, leftist policies could be poured. The oligarchy is now learning that, when the vessel is a human being, it can never be truly empty. In the case of Joe, it seems the vessel contains a toxic personality, a reckless addiction to shaking down foreign officials for bribes, and a wife hell-bent on holding onto power.

  3. “China Hands Rare Death Sentence to Former Asset-Management Head”

    Lai Xiaomin was found guilty of bribery, embezzlement and bigamy; his punishment comes as crackdown on the financial sector intensifies

    – Wall Street Journal, Jan. 5, 2021

    “Lai Xiaomin: Criticism of death sentence on former Chinese tycoon” (condensed)

    The death penalty handed out to a former Chinese finance chief found guilty of corruption has been heavily criticised by human rights groups. Lai Xiaomin was arrested in 2018 on charges of taking 1.8bn yuan (£200m, $280m) in bribes over a 10-year period. It is one of the most severe sentences to stem from President Xi Jinping’s anti-corruption drive. Human Rights Watch said “China is clearly taking a major step backwards.” Chinese officials said crimes committed by Mr Lai were during his time as chairman of Huarong Asset Management. The financial firm was set up in 1999 to to take bad debts off China’s largest state-owned banks. On Tuesday, a court in the northern city of Tianjin, said his crimes had “caused serious losses to the interests of the country”. “Imposing the death sentence on Lai Xiaomin for financial crimes, such as bribe taking, is outrageous and unacceptable and clearly violates China’s commitments to respect international human rights standards,” Phil Robertson, Deputy Asia Director at Human Rights Watch told the BBC. Mr Robertson said the death penalty should be immediately commuted to prison time. “By imposing this sentence, China is clearly taking a major step backwards on rights in what appears to be an effort to create fear among businessmen.” Human Rights Watch calls the tactic ‘killing the chicken to show it to the monkeys’ so it “makes an example of one person to instil obedience in all the others.” Yaqiu Wang, a China researcher at Human Rights Watch, added that President Xi “has little intention to end or slow down the campaign” to stamp out corruption. Human Rights Watch added that it opposes the death penalty in all circumstances as “inherently cruel, and believes it violates of the right to life and fundamental dignity that all human beings possess.” The group has called on the Chinese government to impose an immediate moratorium on its use.

    – By Justin Harper, Business reporter, BBC News, 6 January 2021

    1. @ TiT,

      While its a bit dated… I wonder if they will correct even this reporting.
      Read the last couple of paragraphs.


  4. Dan Bongino

    The democrats are correct:
    Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the “brand,” the “big guy,” and “the chairman,” the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, the video of Joe Biden bragging about firing the Ukrainian prosecutor, and Hunter’s statements that he’s giving his dad half his income, there is NO evidence of Joe Biden being involved.
    Good call guys. 👍

    4:03 PM · Jul 31, 2023

  5. You get just one guess why James Comer skipped his panel’s big Biden Probe interview with Devon Archer. It’s not hard to get the guess right but it does require honesty…

  6. The only positive thing about the totally not at all stolen election of 2020, to my mind, was that Democrats et al would be able to experience that which they thought they wanted. I naïvely believed this would bring them to their senses. Instead, 3 years in, we have hard evidence of breathtaking corruption by the Biden Corp. as well as a Stasi-esque weaponization of the rotting corpse of what used to be the finest justice system in the world, and your Democrat commenters remain as symbiotically attached to the orange-man-bad-narrative as an infant to its pacifier. Perhaps that metaphor actually explains the phenomenon. The worse things get in the Biden fairy tale, the more the intellectual terrible two’s need to make Trump the big bad orange wolf. At least Professor Turley, while not actually admitting he voted for the wrong guy, is no longer singing hymns to illusory Biden “unity.”

    1. This is a brilliant comment. I don’t know who the author is, but the allusions are spot on. The reference to the Stasi is chilling. Many thanks.

    2. Deboluccia,
      Well said.
      I recall all the claims of the adults returning to the room, bringing back norms etc.
      Where are the adults?
      Where are the norms?
      A president who cannot take any serious press conferences, has to take pre-written questions from only friendly MSM? Who can barely read from a teleprompter (End of quote)? When the press do try to ask hard questions, aids shout them down and escort them out like a flock of sheep. A president who has spent more time on vacation than any other.

    3. Are we still depositing garbage in public about the “weaponization of the DOJ” after reading the details in the Trump indictments? Does the name Jeff Clark ring a bell? Obviously some people are single minded in their pursuit of distortion.

  7. ATI (Anonymous the Idiot, soon to be deleted) admits he doesn’t know what the strategic oil supply was for. It was drained by the corrupt and financial dope Biden.

    Like Biden, the morally and intellectually deficient ATI doesn’t know when the price will be low enough to make money on selling our strategic oil to our enemy China.

    We will likely lose money on the transaction, and the strategic oil supply will have to remain low until Biden is replaced.

    Democrats drain strategic supplies, whether it is oil in Biden’s case or Pandemic supplies in the case of Obama. They never replace what they removed making America weaker when those things are suddenly needed.

    These are things ATI is too stupid to understand, so it is good his posts are deleted, but I wish him to remember, this post will remain.

      1. I just paid $5.15 for regular unleaded here in San Diego county. I know, I know, but my wife won’t agree to leave her mom alone in this commie state.

    1. @Anon
      Its worse than you think…

      The GOP will have to replace the reserves for a loss.
      Dems will go out and blame the GOP for that loss.
      MSM will support the Dems due to their bias.

    2. “LOL!!! I never said that.”

      You have no grasp of the facts and you lie all the time. You admitted that in an earlier post. Here your blatant stupidity tells everyone you don’t know what the strategic oil supply is for. If you knew you would have said Biden shouldn’t have drained it.

      Your reply will probably be deleted so I am posting it before your reply.

  8. Jonathan: I have a Q for you. Do you really think the alleged “Biden family corruption scandal” compares in any way with what Jack Smith laid out last night in his 4 count criminal indictment of DJT–his attempt to violently overturn a legitimate election to stay in power? “Influence peddling” is not a crime but even there the MAGA Republicans have been unable to prove any of their claims. Hunter Biden has always been a private citizen. He was, unlike Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner, never a member of the Biden administration and has never had any role in the policies of the Biden administration. “Influence peddling” was the hallmark of the Trump administration. Three days after Kushner left the WH he received $2 billion infusion from the Saudi government. That’s bribery on a vast scale never seen before–because one of Kushner’s jobs was to protect the Saudi Royal family. Why is it that you have never discussed that “corruption”?

    Putting that aside what are we to make of Jack Smith’s latest indictment of DJT. I am on other legal blogs and the big Q is why Smith only named DJT as a defendant? There were a ton of other people Smith could have named in the attempt to overthrow the 2020 election results. The consensus among legal experts is that Jack Smith wants a speedy trial. If Smith named DJT’s other co-conspirators it would have slowed down the process. We see that in the Mar-a-Lago docs case in S. Florida. Getting lawyers for all the named defendants takes time and they often have conflicting trial schedules. Jack Smith didn’t want that to happen in this case. It was a brilliant strategic move by Smith and his team. Keep it simple. Notice also Jack Smith did not charge DJT for his incendiary speech on Jan. 6 just before the insurrection. He didn’t want to give DJT the opportunity to raise First Amendment issues. The whole case will be not on what DJT said but his criminal acts.

    And all the six unnamed co-conspirators in the indictment know who they are. Some have already testified before Smith’s grand jury. All have probably received “target” letters. So what is Jack Smith up to? His legal team has told all the co-conspirators that unless they don’t come clean and tell the truth, they will be named a future superseding indictment. DJT also knows who all the unnamed co-conspirators are you know he will try to get them not to flip. He will do with them what he did with Carlos DeOliveira–pay their legal fees to keep him “loyal”. But that is going to put more severe strain on DJT’s Save America PAC that has already paid out over $40 million in legal fees for DJT’s defense–and those huge payouts only cover the first half of this year!

    You know who I feel sorry for? The poor MAGA suckers who DJT will be sending new email solicitations asking for more money for his legal defense fund. When will they finally get buyer’s remorse?

    1. “Jonathan: I have a Q for you. Do you really think the alleged “Biden family corruption scandal” compares in any way with what Jack Smith laid out last night in his 4 count criminal indictment of DJT–his attempt to violently overturn a legitimate election to stay in power? “

      That claim of yours that never held water is disproven again by documents showing as late as Jan 4 Trump felt crookedness occurred in the election and there was satisfactory evidence to prove it. That makes Smith’s claim go down the drain something yours do as well.

      Your remark wasn’t very bright.

      1. @Anon
        Worse than that.
        Smith raised the point that several lawyers and trusted friends told Trump that he lost. Those lawyers gave him some legal advice.
        Smith ignored the fact that other lawyers (which IIRC are named as unamed co-conspirators) gave him differing opinions.

        Trump relied upon legal advice and there is ample evidence to show that Smith can’t prove the required mens rhea.

        The case falls apart before it gets started.

        Smith should be disbarred over this misconduct.

      1. When an anesthesiologist passes gas, one doesn’t feel a thing.

        When Dennis passes gas, we all have to leave the room.

    2. “his attempt to violently overturn a legitimate election to stay in power”

      Just STFU, seriously. WTF kind of moronic apparatchik do you have to be to even have that kind of thought enter your head, let alone type is and hit send?

      I’m guessing you’re a dual-citizen-esque POS sponging off the system.

      Oh, and don’t ever feel sorry for me, I don’t have to look into a mirror and pretend that killing babies, being a racist, and ruining every nice place my people run isn’t reality – or worse, that profiting from it justifies it.

    3. The fact that it is so expensive to defend yourself against criminal charges made by the federal government is a real concern to me. The average person has no option but to plead guilty and accept a plea deal. Prosecutors have unlimited resources as taxpayers fund the bill, but defendants have to fund their own defense. So, the choice is bankrupting your family or go to jail for a few years. That is not justice. Somehow, we need to bring balance in the process. Also, prosecutors should be personally liable for bringing frivolous or extremely weak cases.

    4. criminal indictment of DJT–his attempt to violently overturn a legitimate election to stay in power
      Dennis the retard never bothered to read the 4 counts of the indictment…Or, as always, he’s just lying, because fact get in the way of his lies.

  9. There were niceties.

    Niceties? Hunter Biden was to influence peddling as Ghislaine Maxwell was to underage sex trafficking. They groomed their targets with the promise of a deliverable by their client. I have no doubt when the Sound of Freedom style movie is made about the Biden Crime Family, it too will be denounced as a QAnon conspiracy.

  10. because words matter…


    THE FBI’S SECRET infiltration and subversion of the racial justice movement in Colorado was challenged Tuesday in a lawsuit alleging that federal and local law enforcement officials abused their powers when they targeted left-wing activists in the summer of 2020.

    This is a prime example of spreading misinformation. The FBI were merely inquiring about the weather and wishing to discuss niceties

    Next these conspiracy freaks will allege the FBI orchestrated these peaceful demonstrations and inserted FBI agents within these groups! Such theater and drama

    Multimillionaire Dan “heir to Levi Strauss” Goldman has been contacted to provide more details

  11. Everytime I see Dan Goldman I laugh. He’s not dumb; his mind is sailboat fuel. He makes Dan Quayle look postively Einsteinian! Exactly what you get when you cross a Levi Strauss heir with the rear of the animal on the Levi’s patch.

  12. (OT, sort of)

    Bidenomics: Vehicle repossessions and home foreclosures are skyrocketing. As are personal and business bankruptcies. The latest “beneficiary” of Bidenomics is the Yellow Corp, one of the country’s largest trucking companies, which just went bankrupt.

    As Biden drains America’s spirit, so he bankrupts her economy.

  13. It’s shocking that New York would send goldman to DC. They are usually much better at picking full-blown clowns.

  14. Someone is lying! How to sift out facts to determine what is and not a lie is impossible. This leaves us the citizens to make a decision about the creditability of which Cretan to believe. In the instance of Jack Smith Special Prosecutor and his track record, he most likely is making whole cloth out of fiction. Next Devon Archer, in evaluating his statements, I look what he has to gain or lose by offering his testimony. Not knowing the total scope of his testimony it’s again impossible to know if he reflects the character of a Cretan or not, but we all know that all Cretans are liars. Continuing with Archer some facts have come out with the publication of Hunter Biden’s laptop which one would assume to be factual and could support what Archer had to say, but again we do not know the total scope of his interview with the House Sub-Committee so making a final determination whether he is or isn’t a Cretan is subjected to creditability. Again I go back to what does he have to gain or lose through his testimony. Next Presidents Biden and Trump and their individual creditability! Do either have starling character, I believe not. But, and this in my opinion is big but, which of these presidents is being persecuted by the other. So many attempts to soil the reputation of one by the legislative and judicial systems controlled by one party, makes one wonder whose is in charge of the Cretans in Washington DC?

  15. Strange
    Illegal Chinese Bio Lab Discovered in Central California

    According to a declaration from Humero Prado, Assistant Director of Fresno County Public Health, which was filed in superior court, investigators discovered that one room of the warehouse was used to produce COVID-19 and pregnancy tests. In other rooms, investigators found blood, tissue and other bodily fluid samples. They also found thousands of vials that contained unlabeled fluids.

    1. Weapons designed to do harm, of course. If any of these Chinese are not born or naturalized The rest should be remanAmericans, they should be immediately deported. The rest should be held in jail until their VERY PUBLIC trIal.

  16. Dear Prof Turley,

    The 2024 election is heating up. On the one hand, candidate Biden is battling (i.e. trying to ignore.) a flood of baseless congressional MAGA hat impeachment inquiries. On the other, candidate Trump is facing an endless stream of DoJ MSNBC superseding J6 indictments (btw, wasn’t Trump already ‘impeached’ for that? double jeopardy? ).

    You’re right though, they impeached the wrong guy the 1st time. Phoned it in.

    So, this is how it’s going to be. From now on until the bitter end [or a legitimate election 2024] .. . come hell or high water.

    * meanwhile, candidate Biden has declared Victory for freedom and democracy in Ukraine .. . but those crazy Russians refuse to Lose

  17. Donald Trump was impeached for inquiring about Joe Biden’s quid pro quo with Ukraine. Joe Biden bragged on camera that he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired. Hunter’s former business partner, and his emails, indicate that Burisma execs wanted Hunter to have his father get rid of that prosecutor. Trump got impeached for asking about it. Nothing happened to Joe Biden.

    Joe Biden kept boxes of documents that were supposed to go to the National Archives, including some classified information, in his unsecured garage, next to his Corvette. He also sent boxes of such documents to his think tank, the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and global Engagement. Coincidentally, the classified docs coincided with the topics the think tank studied. Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, paraphrased and sometimes quoted classified documents in his emails peddling his father’s influence. The syntax was completely different than his usual low brow communications. Nothing happened to Joe Biden. Trump kept documents that the National Archive requested. They were kept in a secured room at Mar-a-Lago, which he consulted with the FBI about security. He disagreed that they should go to the NA, as he wished to keep them as souvenirs. Upon inspection, classified documents were found, which Trump claimed to have declassified, as was his purview as president. Trump’s lawyers were disputing both the classified status, and the NA’s right to them, when the FBI sent an armed predawn raid to seize the documents. They posed boxes of documents with his vanity magazine cover staged, to make it look more damaging to Trump. Nothing happened to Joe Biden, while Trump has been criminally indicted for having those documents. Guess he should have kept them in his garage?

    There is evidence that the DOJ has protected Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden, by slow walking Hunter’s investigation, and offering him an incredible plea deal, while selectively going hard for Trump. The FBI has blatantly protected Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Hunter Biden, while going hard for Trump.

    It does not take 4 years to investigate an average American for money laundering or bribery, when all the evidence is readily available in the suspect’s surrendered laptop, and former business partners are begging to testify. People go to prison for matters that involve thousands. Millions passed through the Biden family’s hands. Still, nothing has happened to Joe Biden.

    Democrats control the 3 letter agencies, creating a One Party bureaucracy. The power of the state.

    1. The power of the state .. . and the wholly-owned major media subsidiaries.

      *in effect, the state impeached Trump, the 1st time, for just thinking/asking about Biden. .. and the media called out for more.

    2. Karen S: No. Please stop it. The first impeachment was for trying to leverage aid to Ukraine that was approved by Congress in exchange for ginning up lies about Joe Biden. You are downplaying what Trump actually did–there were witnesses. He wasn’t “asking” anything–he was trying to withhold aid approved by Congress. That was proven. USA Today reports the following abour the Ukrainian prosecutor matter:

      “At the heart of Congress’ probe into the president’s actions is his claim that former Vice President and 2020 Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden. But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim. It wasn’t because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden’s son; it was because Shokin wasn’t pursuing corruption among the country’s politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.” So, you have it exactly backwards.

      Joe Biden did NOT deliberately steal classified documents–Trump did–not only that, he lied about returning them, moved them around to prevent his lawyer from returning them, tried to erase security footage, and flashed them around to show off for young female staffers. He may also have sold or given them to the wrong people–we’ll never know. Biden asked that all of his records and papers be searched for classified documents, and that any that were found be immediately returned. Mike Pence did the same thing. No comparison whatsoever. Stop repeating the lie about the ability to “declassify” documents–that’s not true, never was true. Only the agency that classified the document can declassify it, and the PRA is not a defense. There is NO evidence that the DOJ was protecting Hunter Biden, either. An independent SC was appointed, and he charged Hunter with failing to pay taxes and gun possession. Republicans, who know Trump is a total crook and is going to prison, keep trying to push the narrative that there’s a “Biden Crime Family” that is selling access–all without anythng resmbling proof. Unlike Trump, Joe Biden is hands-off the DOJ. The things on the laptop are not proof of anything. To prove money laundering or bribery, you need a paper trail–money moved from one account to another, a wire transfer, checks–something–and some benefit conferred in exchange–and there is no proof of any of this. There’s no proof that “millions passed through the Biden family’s hands”. The reason it’s taking “4 years to investigate” is that they cannot come up with any evidence, but Republicans can’t let it go. Disciples like you need something to push back against the mountain of evidence against Trump–something to back up Mark Levin.

      And, here’s a very inconvenient fact for you Cult 45ers: ALL of the prosecution witnesses in the latest indictment are REPUBLICANS–no Democrats.

      1. Like St. Ronnie said….”There you go again” Gigi, the cult could care less about the facts and you know that. Turley having lost all credibility with his peers, now only writes for and to the cult 45 crowd.

      2. My foreign born mother always said that Americans were the most gullible people she had ever met. You are proof. Here is a way for you to ferret out truth. Either leave out the PARTY involved, or switch it to the other party as you read or listen, THEN check the facts. What on God’s green earth do you do with all the material in the laptop? The ‘government’ kept the truth of its legitimate existence from the American people BEFORE the election and arranged for internet media to be BANNED or DEPLATFORMED should they dare to discuss or mention it. (If Trump kept knowledge or facts from you, what would be your reaction?). EXPLAIN how ANY of that is okay in America? Right and wrong are not political.

      3. Karen S: No. Please stop it. The first impeachment was for trying to leverage aid to Ukraine that was approved by Congress in exchange for ginning up lies about Joe Biden.

        I rarely read the gigi, cut and paste, but this stuck out.

        President Trump was required by law, to assure Ukraine was sufficiently shutting down the on going corruption in Ukraine. The President was in fact following the letter of the law, before allowing the money approved by Congress.

        Stupid is as stupid does.

        1. Iowan: No, you are wrong. Congress appropriated the money. Trump withheld the aid and then tried to shake down Zelenskyy to gin up dirt on the Bidens. Lt Col Alexander
          Vindman testified: “As the top Ukraine expert on the national security council (NSC), Vindman was on the 25 July phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. He planned to testify that a call summary released by the White House is accurate: “As the transcript is in the public record, we are all aware of what was said.”Vindman took concerns to NSC lawyer
          Vindman planned to describe multiple scenes in which White House discussions about Ukraine policy, including discussions with Ukrainians, were interrupted by an insistence that Ukraine announce baseless investigations tied to Biden. “I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a US citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the US government’s support of Ukraine,” Vindman planned to say. Vindman planned to describe how on multiple occasions he took his concerns to the top lawyer for the national security counsel, as at least one other colleague did.”

          This is the reason Trump got impeached.

          1. Iowan: No, you are wrong. Congress appropriated the money. Trump withheld the aid and then tried to shake down Zelenskyy
            The law required a successful audit of Ukraine before the aid was sent. While that was complete, the President, with plenary power of the Executive Branch, suspended the transfer to audit the audit. Something that is not reviewable.

            Now you have been corrected the second time stop spreading the lies.
            Your too stupid to learn, but lots of readers to this blog do learn from facts I provide.

      4. “. . . to leverage aid to Ukraine that was approved by Congress . . .”

        You mean like the aid to Ukraine, approved by Congress, that JB leveraged to fire the prosecutor investigating his son’s company?

        That is called extortion.

    3. Reply to Karen S —

      There are and will be a lot of unanswerable questions about this Administration to come. But regarding ‘Secured Classified Documents’ there is some research you may want to do in regards to Henry Kissinger’s tenure.

      (This was probably before your birth)
      IN the waning days of the Nixon-Ford Era when Henry Kissinger left his post as: Sec. of State AND National Security Advisor AND the Chair of “The Forty Committee” (it Oversees Covert Ops) all of which He held simultaneously (The only one to have done this), He carted off truckloads of Documents to the Rockefeller Estate at Kykuit Hills (New York).

      Now, you can say that Kykuit Hill is not a “Secure Facility”, especially in those days. And the Archive had made it’s contentions, as a matter of fact a case was brought all the way to the Supreme Court, whereupon by 1-Vote it was decided that: He could not keep them (Documents), nor did He have to give them back (said Documents). As a result there was a compromise with the Library of Congress and Archive of the period.

      This may be a good area of Legal Research to look into, for reference.

      Speaking of Mr. Kissinger’s activities today, I find it ‘curious’ that the Biden Administration would send him to China to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping,but yet in terms of ‘Open Government’ the meeting subject matters were kept under wraps, as was Xi meeting with Janet Yellen and Jamie Dimond. In addition to, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu up coming visit.

      Henry Kissinger is a very complex Individual, at 100 years old, and being a Man with a lot of Skeletons in the Closet (Nixon’s, Ford’s, Bush’es 2x~Cheney, Clinton’s, Obama’s, now Biden’s Admins), Why the China Trip ???

    4. Not to mention that the more aged Republicans have been doing the same things doe decades. How many times do you think McConnell has greased the skids for his wife’s family, or other CCP that he has come to know? I’m conservative, and want ALL the old guard out, DEM or REPUB, unless they can PROVE that they are NOT corrupt. According to Truman, all you have to do is look at their bank accounts, though it’s a little more complicated now.

    5. Karen S.
      As always, well said and spot on.
      The corruption is plain to see by all. The emperor has no cloths and is as corrupt as the day is long on the summer solstice.

  18. Incitement was everything. Trump was impeached for incitement but incitement is not included in the charges. The real crime that he has been indicted for is saying bad things. For four long years Hillary Clinton has said that the Trump election was not legitimate but she has never faced an indictment for exercising her right of free speech. The Democrats got there plans from Victor Chavez and Fidel Castro. When it comes to Trump and free speech the Democrats say that maybe China has it right.

    1. It certainly seems as though they did take a page from Mao’s playbook–The Little Red Book (which, incidentally is available on Amazon for $16.99). I’m not a Trump fan by far, but when he made the ill-advised comparison of his indictmentS to Nazi persecution, he might have been instructive if he had compared the unprecedented-in-the-USA indictments of former presidents who are current candidates to the Nazis in early 1933 when they went after political rivals and non-compliant journalists. The National Socialists knew they had to wipe out opposition before they could proceed with their more heinous crimes which began shortly after. The first prisoners of the first concentration camp–Dachau which opened on March 22, 1933–were journalists and political enemies (members of the Communist party, the other side of the Socialist coin). But Trump, as we know, is not one for teaching moments. Trump is for Trump and he’s his worst enemy. A comparison to Mao or Chavez would have gone over better and been quite accurate except for the fact that Mao and Chavez would have had him in a torture chamber by now.

    2. Thinkitthrough: Sorry to burst your bubble–but Trump is not being indicted for “saying bad things”. He is being indicted for DOING bad things. Have you read the 45-page indictment? Probably not or you would not be making, as usual, such ridiculous statements!

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