I recently asked, in light of the free speech implications of the second federal Trump indictment, when the price is too high for those who seek to jail the former president. The chilling answer is found in a new report out of the University of Chicago showing that almost 12 percent of the population, representing 30 million people, believe that violence is warranted to prevent Trump from assuming the presidency. That is almost double the number who believe that violence is warranted to ensure that Trump does become president.
As discussed in The Guardian, the Chicago Project on Security & Threats survey found many Americans are embracing violence as an option for political change.
We have watched as rage has risen in the country. It is often celebrated by one side or the other. I previously discussed how a scene like the recent confrontation on the floor of the Tennessee House perfectly captured our “age of rage.” Protesters filled the capitol building to protest the failure to pass gun-control legislation. Three Democratic state representatives — Justin Jones from Nashville, Justin Pearson from Memphis, and Gloria Johnson of Knoxville — were unwilling to yield to the majority. They disrupted the floor proceedings with a bullhorn and screaming at their colleagues.
It is a scene familiar to many of us in academia, where events are regularly canceled by those who shout down others. The three members yelled “No action, no peace” and “Power to the people” as their colleagues objected to their stopping the legislative process. Undeterred, the three refused to allow “business as usual” to continue.
Nobel Laureate Albert Camus once said, “Insurrection is certainly not the sum total of human experience but … it is our historic reality.” Those words came to mind when Tennessee’s House of Representatives expelled two members accused of disrupting legislative proceedings in what some called an “insurrection” or a “mutiny.”
Only a few days before the Tennessee House floor fight, a confrontation occurred off the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives in Washington which captured perfectly this new political reality.
Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.) was shown on videotape screaming about gun control in the Capitol as his colleagues left the floor following a vote. Various Democratic members, including former House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), tried to calm Bowman. However, when Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) asked Bowman to stop yelling, Bowman shouted back: “I was screaming before you interrupted me” — which could go down as the epitaph for our age.
The problem is that political figures on both sides are attempting to harness this rage. They are playing a dangerous game. Trump’s inflammatory tweets are an example. Likewise, former Democratic National Committee deputy chair Keith Ellison, now the Minnesota attorney general, once said Antifa would “strike fear in the heart” of Trump. This was after Antifa had been involved in numerous acts of violence and its website was banned in Germany. His son, Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison, declared his allegiance to Antifa as riots raged in his city last summer.
Unleashing such rage is difficult to control and often those leading the mob find themselves later pursued by it. This is why, during the French Revolution, the journalist Jacques Mallet Pan warned, “Like Saturn, the revolution devours its children.”
Jonathan: You’re right. the “Age of Rage” is all around us. Case in point. You know that DA Fani Willlis down in Fulton County Georgia is about to hold the Sword of Damocles over DJT in her vast RICO conspiracy indictment of him and his co-conspirators. For those not up to speed the former Lt. Governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan, is going to testify before Willis’ grand jury tomorrow. He is an outspoken opponent of DJT’s attempt to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia. That has put DJT in a fit of “rage” and this is what he just posted about Duncan:
” I am reading reports that failed former Lt. Governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan, will be testifying before the Fulton County
Grand Jury. He shouldn’t. I barely know him but he was, right from the beginning of his Witch Hunt, a nasty disaster for those
looking for those looking into the Election Fraud that took place in Georgia…”
DJT had other “nasty” things to say about Duncan but you get the drift. DJT’s attempt to intimidate Duncan is what we call in the law–a “per se” violation of Georgia’s witness tampering statute–Title 16-10-93. Is there any chance Fani Willis will NOT be adding an additional charge against DJT for attempting to intimidate a potential witness? And is there any chance Jack Smith is not also paying close attention to what is going on in Georgia?
Why are you even bothering to engage conservatives rationally? They don’t care, and they’re not about to start caring
LOL LOL LOL — Ask an adult to explain to you what “attempting to intimidate a potential witness” means, because it doesn’t mean what you “think” (for lack of a better expression).
Dennis can’t fathom the idea that character assassination isn’t the same thing as actual assassination. Not everyone’s the same hot-house flower he is, thank goodness.
I just looked up GA’s 16-10-93,and for someone who claims to be the former editor-in-chief of law review, he surely does not understand, especially the BIG WORDS like “per se.”
Ralph de Minimis: Read the Georgia witness tampering statute–Title 16-10-93–and then explain why it doesn’t apply to what DJT told Jeoff Duncan. Telling a witness not to testify IS witness tampering! LOL
Joe Biden and his family are leaving this Friday for yet another vacation, this time for a luxury week in Lake Tahoe where his motorcades and security will disrupt everything during the high summer season at Tahoe. Joe Biden can do whatever he wants and it literally does not matter one iota to the media sycophants.
Can you even imagine what the fake news would do if Trump and his family headed off to yet another vacation while all this upheaval was going on?
The fake news would DESTROY the Trumps for going on vacation.
Biden? Not a critical word.
In case Dennis doesn’t understand the situation, it’s called DERELICTION of DUTY.
LOL. Trump averaged visits to his golf courses every 3-4 days for his entire presidency.
Taking an afternoon for golf is not the same as lounging on a beach while the world burns. Trump worked 24/7. Joe Biden is a LAZY entitled pos. No comparison.
You’re deluded.
Whoever “liked” your comment is deluded.
Joe Biden just took 10 days off to lounge on the beach.
Then he spent the past long weekned lounging on the beach again, not arriving back to DC until Monday afternoon.
Then he will “work” a couple of days before flying off to yet another family vacation.
Joe will almost certainly have Hunter flying with him on AF1, so their corruption and entitlement will be In Your Face on yet another weeklong luxury Tahoe vacation. Joe Biden thinks he is a dictator.
The man is a lazy, corrupt, entitled, nasty, demented, lying, criminal sack of sh*t.
The entire country sees what pos’s Biden crime family actually is: 100% despicable.
Are you joining Biden on his next vacation to Tahoe this Friday?? He lives on vacation whilst America burns to the ground and YOU still protect his grift. YOU deserve everything you are going to get because of his policies. Hope you enjoy your KARMA.
Joe Biden has never done anything in his adult life but suck off the government tit and abuse his political office for personal gain.
Geoff Duncan testified today instead. At leas two more witnesses are waiting to testify. Everyone is working late today.
Dennis – here is the relevant part of the Georgia statute you cite:
“Universal Citation: GA Code § 16-10-93 (2020)
a. A person who, with intent to deter a witness from testifying freely, fully, and truthfully to any matter pending in any court, in any administrative proceeding, or before a grand jury, communicates, directly or indirectly, to such witness any threat of injury or damage to the person, property, or employment of the witness or to the person, property, or employment of any relative or associate of the witness or who offers or delivers any benefit, reward, or consideration to such witness or to a relative or associate of the witness shall, upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.
b. 1. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to use intimidation, physical force, or threats; to persuade another person by means of corruption or to attempt to do so; or to engage in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to:
A. Influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding;
B. Cause or induce any person to:
i Withhold testimony or a record, document, or other object from an official proceeding;
ii. Alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal an object with intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding;
iii. Evade legal process summoning that person to appear as a witness or to produce a record, document, or other object in an official proceeding; or
iv. Be absent from an official proceeding to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or
C. Hinder, delay, or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer, prosecuting attorney, or judge of this state of information relating to the
commission or possible commission of a criminal offense or a violation of conditions of probation, parole, or release pending judicial proceedings.”
https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2020/title-16/chapter-10/article-5/section-16-10-93/
There is nothing here about insults being a form of “witness tampering”.
The argument from the Demo trolls that Trump is tampering with witnesses by publicly insulting them is, first of all, nonsensical since it is likely to have the opposite effect, and, second, ineffective since it is out in-the-open, thus leaving any pro-Trump testimony open to impeachment. But the argument has the sinister object of attempting to control the speech of critics of Democrats. Insult is threat, justifying a violent triggered response and treatment as a crime. Therefore, stay silent.
BTW, I have never heard of the per se analysis being applied to criminal law beyond posssibly traffic tickets. It may be applied in torts or even contract law. But in criminal law? A per se label imposes automatic liability, regardless of intent. That is not a characteristic of criminal law.
He’s witness tampering by telling the witness not to testify.
Trump never made a threat. He offered an opinion. Free speech.
by what statute? Incidentally, he is not “telling” anyone to not testify. “Telling” suggests control over the person, e.g. a parent over a child. Trump has no control over the former lieutenant governor.
Dennis does not speak legalese. He speaks troll, as in copy/paste George Soros / Media Matters talking points. I find legalese refreshing, and troll-speak is γρεεκ to me! 🇬🇷
LOL. You speak troll-speak quite fluently.
Dennis, you might be interested in these comments from Duncan after his testimony today:
https://nitter.net/bluestein/status/1691219740847411201#m (this is a Twitter sub, so people without Twitter accounts can view the embedded video of Duncan)
Damn, I wonder why most Americans hate trump supporters so dang much, what a mystery. Anyway, time to go back to antagonizing literally everyone who isn’t a Trump supporter! See you guys in 2024!
It seems hard to believe, but the facts since 2016, state otherwise. The US Justice System is hopelessly broken. There is no excuse for what the GA court did but here we are….so incredibly disillusioning that this is the new broken USA. Democrats are making more enemies by the week with their Machiavellian machinations.
Georgia court website publishes, then takes down, list of criminal charges against Trump
https://apnews.com/article/trump-georgia-election-investigation-grand-jury-willis-d39562cedfc60d64948708de1b011ed3
We used to laugh at Banana Republics; now they are laughing at us.
This isn’t your grandfather’s liberal party. They:
• favor the military-industrial complex (Ukraine)
• favor more power and money for multinational corporations (covid vaccines)
• favor the erosion of civil rights (covid lockdowns)
• favor violence for political ends (this story)
• favor of censorship (everything in academia, downplaying Twitter files, Facebook files)
• favor child sex trafficking (antipathy toward Sound of Freedom movie – see The Guardian and Rolling Stone)
• oppose the working man (antipathy toward Rich Men North of Richmond – see Seattle Times and Rolling Stone today)
The world has lived with the latest fake election in the US for nearly 4 years.
Never again, whatever that might take.
1960 was “faker” and 1860 was the disastrous aberration in which “Crazy Abe” became a tyrant and dictator with a whopping 39.8% share – the rest, the brutal and wholly unconstitutional “Reign of Terror,” is history.
but there were four Presidential candidates in 1860. 40% of the vote in that field was impressive.
You need to say what was fake about it. Back it up with facts. Otherwise, it’s just bluster to be ignored.
“Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship”
Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook restricting a story about Joe Biden’s son during the 2020 election was based on FBI misinformation warnings.
– BBC News
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– Freedom of the press was not intended to effect the suppression of election information and evidence of corruption by a candidate by mainstream media.
– The election must be accomplished on one DAY.
– Vote-by-mail is not only insane, it is unconstitutional.
– States were intended to restrict the vote by their legislatures.
– Voters must present at a polling place and be identified.
Read the Constitution, not the communist manifesto, comrade.
Meanwhile, even as an army of corrupt DOJ lawyers tries to bastardize the law to take out the political competition, Fake President Joetard is free to hit the 2024 campaign trail between beach vacations and naps:
Well now, is that not interesting. It appears ATS tried to comment as some other handle that we have never seen before. I replied to his comment but lo and behold, his and my comment got deleted . . . How marvelous!
Thank you Darren!
Darren can check IP addresses and assess whether the IP address belongs to a high fraud risk ISP that abusive trolls and scammers use worldwide. It is a truly dark web that exists and we see their abusive work hourly. OTOH, I can read just a few words and determine the authorship. The paid DNC troll uses the same key signature words that rarely anyone else uses, regardless of the zillions of sockpuppet accounts. They are so stupid in that their English utilization is embarrassing and the discursive arguments make Daffy Duck look like brilliant
Except that I also tried to post something about the same time to which you are referring, and it disappeared into the void as if I never tried to post it, and I’m not ATS (whatever that means).
I dunno, Professor. Despite polls at the time, only 15% of the population was needed to successfully tell it’s government to ‘shove it’ in the late 18th century. Perhaps this deja vu all over again is past due.
Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
Here we go again: another disastrous Trump indictment. It’s downright pathetic that Fulton County publicly posted the indictment on its website even before the grand jury had finished convening. Since the four prosecutions against Trump are using novel & untested legal theories, it’s fair game for him to do the same in defense: immediately file a motion to dismiss for a constitutional due process violation for publicly issuing an indictment before the grand jury had actually signed one. He should make a strong argument on these grounds & it would send a powerful message to the ever-expansive prosecutorial police state. As someone who’s running for President against Trump, I’d volunteer to write the amicus brief to the court myself: prosecutors should not be deciding U.S. presidential elections, and if they’re so overzealous that they commit constitutional violations, then the cases should be thrown out & they should be held accountable.
Ending rancid governmental and judicial corruption and political persecution is very important.
It is also very important to mention that Vivek Ramaswamy stated unequivocally the he would destroy and remove the entire “administrative state,” which means every unconstitutional governmental organization that unconstitutionally exercises power and expends taxes for anything other than debt, defense and general Welfare, regulates anything other than the value of money, the flow of commerce among States, and land and naval Forces, and nullifies the comprehensive, sole and singular power of owners to “claim and exercise” dominion over private property.
Vivek Ramaswamy is so right and clearly a far better American than many, if not most.
The death sentence for Louis XVI was prepared before his trial.
Wouldn’t that 12% comport pretty closely with the proportion of the population who identifies as extremely liberal, i.e., the leftists among us?
Why are Americans disagreeing? The people are to be totally, completely and maximally free and the government is to be severely and rigorously limited and restricted.
The communists (liberals, progressives, socialists, democrats, RINOs, AINOs) have no desire or intention to obey the fundamental law of the United States. They deny freedom and impose the dictatorship of coveting, stealing and redistributing other people’s success, money and status. The Constitution and Bill of Rights hold indisputable dominion. Read them. The people are to pursue their own happiness freely; they are to totally and solely control their private property, and regulate only through their consumption or boycott.
The entire communistic American welfare state is unconstitutional including, but not limited to, admissions affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.
Article 1, Section 8, provides Congress the power to tax ONLY for “…general (all, the whole) Welfare…,” omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual Welfare, specific Welfare, particular Welfare, favor or charity. The same article enumerates and provides Congress the power to regulate ONLY money, the “flow” of commerce, and land and naval Forces. Additionally, the 5th Amendment right to private property was initially qualified by the Framers and is, therefore, absolute, allowing no further qualification, and allowing ONLY the owner the power to “claim and exercise” dominion over private property.
Government exists, under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to provide maximal freedom to individuals while government is severely limited and restricted to merely facilitating that maximal freedom of individuals through the provision of security and infrastructure only.
That one does not like freedom and prefers governmental control, tyranny and provision, does not nullify the fullness of the freedom provided by fundamental law in America.
Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto 59 years after the adoption of the Constitution because none of the principles of the Communist Manifesto were in the Constitution. Had the principles of the Communist Manifesto been in the Constitution, Karl Marx would have had no reason to write the Communist Manifesto. The principles of the Communist Manifesto were not in the Constitution then and the principles of the Communist Manifesto are not in the Constitution now.
A society of laws must strictly adhere to the laws. The vote was to be restricted by State legislatures. One man, one vote democracy is invalid, impossible and always devolves into dictatorship, in this case, the dictatorship of the proletariat.
The Supreme Court is egregiously and high-criminally derelict and negligent in addressing and resolving issues per the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Government exists to extend freedom as far as is possible so that those same freedoms can be enjoyed by posterity — indefinitely.
The definition you cite only cherishes maximum freedom for those living now. We know what the consequences of that “us first” definition would be — more freedom now at the expense of those who come later….in terms of national debt, pollution of the food chain, pollution of water resources, spreading diseases, failing to adequately educate youth to take over responsibilities, using up finite resources.
Your definition is also vague about the equal distribution of freedoms among the currently living. Very few societies have distributed rights and privileges evenly, as was the case when Marx wrote Das Capital. His was a lame answer to the problem, no doubt. It’s taken great vision and sacrifice and 2.5 centuries to achieve the level of human rights and freedoms Americans enjoy. Ours are the envy of most countries.
I totally reject the “natural law” claim that freedom is a natural state of humans. Go to a place like Somalia where government is weak to test that concept. You live under constant fear of gangs and warlords taking your property, your livelihood and your life. Warring tribal gangs is the “natural” state of mankind — government provides a civilizing force where actual freedom can be exercised. Thugs and criminals act with “freedom”, but since the same impulse to steal and victimize cannot be exercised equally among a population, it doesn’t pass the smell test as real, sustainable freedom — that which is being maximized across population — including posterity.
Our definitions of freedom are very different. Yours is asymmertical and egocentric, more concerned with your freedoms than those of others. Mine is egalitarian — and comes with serious responsibilities to defend posterity’s options not being narrowed.
Yes, freedom viewed selfishly is likely going to be greater than under my egalitarian definition. But mine is more secure against excesses and overreaching.
Do you see the difference?
“…SECURE THE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY TO OURSELVES AND OUR POSTERITY,…”
Yours is communist and irrational and in diametric opposition to the literal, verbatim, manifest tenor of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
The scary thing is: I don’t think you even know that.
You are nuts!
The 12% = 30,000,000 is incorrect unless the population is only 250,000,00.
Is this merely coincidence?
– 12% African-Americans
– 250,000,000 Americans
– 80,000,000 illegal alien invaders
___________________________
“It’s the [law], stupid!”
– James Carville
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Like the Constitution and Bill of Rights, the Founders legislated immigration. The Founders’ design and intent for immigration law, the Naturalization Act of 1802, “…any Alien being a free white person,…may be admitted to become a citizen…,” was arbitrarily, tyrannically, and unconstitutionally nullified by despotic and brutal military force in 1863; later, not one but three impossible-to-ratify constitutional amendments were rammed through in a cataclysmic, non-conducive environment of brutal, post-war military occupation and oppression.
After the mass illegal immigration of 1863 and immediately subsequent to President Eisenhower’s “Operation Wetback,” the onset of “The Greater Mexico Reconquista” commenced (i.e. Jus soli was written in the 14th Amendment to be applied to and for the sole benefit of slaves, not illegal alien, foreign invaders).
To induce subconscious acceptance, the government later began forcibly insinuating images of 12% of the population in 100% of the frames on TV and in films for the purposes of communist brainwashing, propaganda, and indoctrination.
The 1960s, saw the destruction of the growth of the population of Americans and the end of baby-making by American women, placing the American fertility rate in a “death spiral” as more Americans die than are born.
If you discount children under 13 and retirees as not suited to violent political activism, I think you come out around the same figure (12% of those who could physically resort to violence).
I think such a survey seriously overestimates, because most of those saying “yes” are fantasizers who would quickly change their minds if law enforcement broke in the opposing direction.
Psychologist Amos Tversky (a pioneer in game theory) demonstrated that the way people think about a hypothetical situation (and respond to a questionaire or experiment) depends greatly on what they have at stake in the way they answer. If nothing is at personal stake, you get false bravado. If they have to something to lose (like a money wager), you get a much more reliable answer.
The number of Craig Robinsons in the US is vanishingly small, but the media will gladly aggrandize those numbers in the viewer’s mind to get clicks.
And nutser!
It’s very fortunate that militancy, and the warlike-paranoid mindset that engenders, is afflicting < 20% of the US population. I applaud Univ. of Chicago for this kind of quantitative survey, because the mainstream media are loathe to report anything that undercuts one of their pet conflict narratives.
The 30 Million must mean the numbers of government and people that can be paid to be violent. Overall if we go to violence to stop Trump from becoming President that will lead us into CW2. I feel the same if the 2024 election is stolen again. It will be clear that the government is not working and the country needs to be rebuilt.
Trump attempted to steal a 2nd term based on pushing out a massive lie. Looking back at Trump’s crossover into politics, he was amazed and delighted at the traction gained by his “birther” campaign to delegitimize Obama’s presidency — it demonstrated the power of the well-crafted false narrative to unify those who want to believe it.
In the intel-sector, this is known as psyOps.
The Iraqi Shiites used psyOps to dupe the Bush Admin and Congress into overthrowing Saddam Hussein, at great cost to the US Treasury, 4000+ lives, and our global reputation.
The question we need to solve is: how far exactly does the 1st Amendment go in protecting fraudulent political infowarfare? I think most people find that kind of public manipulation well outside the protection of “free speech” —
and incompatible with “the consent of the governed” (which presumes informed consent, not nudging with falsehoods).
The solution is NOT government prosecution of deceitful infowarriors, but rather lawsuits similar to the way Nicholas Sandmann got CNN/WaPo to back down and pay up.
You are wrong.
How many people voted for Trump because he raised a question about Obama’s birth certificate?
“It’s the [non-natural born citizen status], stupid!”
– James Carville
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Obama will always be ineligible because he can never be a natural born citizen because he was the son of a foreign citizen.
Being a natural born citizen is a constitutional requirement and it was defined in the legal text and reference of the era, the Law of Nations, which was referenced in Article 1, Section 8, incidentally.
To wit,
“To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;…”
Clinton was the source of the birther narrative.
Lurker here. I see a lot of trolls are active today.
Boy,– talk about everyone throwing cream pies at each other, watch this video, starting at @ 3:42 frame, where the intelligent voice/speech interpreter misinterprets Comer’s statement regarding “the IRS whistleblowers” –as “the Irish whistleblowers.” Watch the translated captions scrolling along at the bottom of screen….
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-oversight-chair-comer-unloads-on-hunter-biden-special-counsel-appointment-this-is-a-joke/ar-AA1fg0aI
Forget our Monday Trolls.This is our best LOL today. Hope the video doesn’t start a war with the Irish rebels!
Is this the future of AI?
AI has nothing on the AP. Atlanta is bracing for potential Trump indictment.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/atlanta-braces-for-potential-trump-indictment/vi-AA1fgLNe?cvid=93598aa19d6d4dbeb21313b378c0d5f7&ocid=msedgntp
*literally, no one – other than the myriad media – in Atlanta is bracing for a potential Trump indictment .. . so get ahold of yourself and keep your shirt on.
Jonathan: It only took two days for DJT to violate Judge Chutkan’s admonition to his attorneys to keep their client from continuing to attack and threaten witnesses, prosecutors and the judge in the case Jack Smith has brought over Jan. 6.
In the hearing on Friday over the protective order Judge Chutkan admonished John Lauro, one of DJT’s counsel: “What the defendant [DJT] is currently doing—the fact that he’s running a political campaign has to yield to the orderly administration of justice. If that means he can’t say exactly what he wants to say about witnesses in this case, that’s how it has to be”. Chutkan went on to explain to Lauro that DJT has free speech rights “But the right is not absolute…Defendant’s free speech right is subject to the release conditions imposed at arraignment and it must yield to the orderly administration of justice”.
Hopefully, Lauro explained all this to his client. Apparently, DJT didn’t get the memo because this is what DJT just reposted on Truth Social by a MAGA supporter, Mike Davis:
“Judge Tanya Chutkan–an Obama leftwing activist judge in DC, whose husband also got appointed by Obama as a DC
judge—openly admitted she’s running interference against Trump”.
Now in every other case when other criminal defendants, like crime bosses, threaten witnesses, prosecutors or judges, their pre-trial release is revoked and they will be put in pre-trial detention until the trial. It’s unlikely Chutkan will do that in this case although she should. Why should DJT, now a private citizen, be treated any differently? What Chiutkan will probably do is that on 8/28, when there is the trial setting hearing, she will agree with Jack Smith that the trial will be set for early 2024 as a necessary step to try to keep DJT from his further attempts to taint the jury pool. DJT is learning a hard lesson. If he thought he could get the trial postponed until after the election–forget it! Don’t fool around with this law and order judge in DC!
LOL. Facts always attack liberals.
chutkan is a partisan hack, an affront to justice.
“If that means he can’t say exactly what he wants to say about witnesses in this case, that’s how it has to be”. It doesn’t, she’s a liar and a moron. That’s why obama planted her there.
Judge Chutkan is a partisan hack? What’s your evidence? Because she’s thrown J6 attackers in prison?
What J6 attackers? I don’t think she threw the cop who killed the un armed protester in jail.
These: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
I didn’t see the murdering cop in that list, just innocent protestors protesting on public property unlike the rioters of the summer of 2020.
The juries disagree that those criminals are innocent. Many chose to plead guilty and didn’t even go to trial before a jury.
And the cop who killed Babbitt wasn’t found guilty of murder. Sorry that your connection to reality is so weak.
She’s jailing PROTESTORS even the prosecutor isn’t requesting jail for. Of course she isn’t asking the prosecutors to speedily bring charges against many of the identified participants that haven’t been charged… She is a hack.
Simply because your feeling were hurt by them, doesn’t make them ‘attackers’.
She’s jailing convicted criminals.
You keep pretending your clown court is doing justice. The heirs of the bolsheviks are no better than their forefathers, who also convicted many people they deemed criminals. EABD.
“Mr. Trump, like every American, has a First Amendment right to free speech, but that right is not absolute.”
– U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan
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Affirmative Action Judge Sista Chutkakahn is a partisan hack because she violated fundamental and statutory law, usurped power, abused the power of her office, subverted the Constitution, took the law into her own hands, and spontaneously amended the Constitution, bypassing the constitutional amendment process, which provides Americans the absolute, unqualified freedom of speech. Freedom of speech cannot be arbitrarily qualified or denied by here-come-da-judge Chutkakahn in her banana republic court. Sista Chutkakahn has no power to legislate, modify legislation, or modify legislation through “interpretation.” Sista Chutkakahn has no acumen to assimilate and assess the law correctly.
Additionally, is this even a valid, legitimate judge? Is it conceivable that a component of a pool of 12% of the population could outperform a component of a pool of 83% of the population? Throw the best and brightest of 12% of the population into an unbiased, impartial, non-affirmative action arena to, ostensibly, compete with the best and brightest of 83% of the population. What’s gonna happen? In the NFL, it’s solely and singularly merit that matters, eh?
What the —- is going on here in America?
Well whatta you know, ole chutkan is an ex-Boies Schiller attorney (w/Hunter Biden). She also waited a month to recuse herself from the Fusion GPS trial…gee, wonder why? Speculation is that she was able to bury the financials before she skedaddled.
Trump is engaged in witness tampering.
Take your own meds.
“Judge Tanya Chutkan–an Obama leftwing activist judge in DC, whose husband also got appointed by Obama as a DC
judge—openly admitted she’s running interference against Trump.”
LOL LOL LOL — By what stretch of who’s twisted imaginiation does that constitute a “threat” ? ? ? Do you even know the difference between criticism and a threat?
Dennis likens “DJT” to a crime boss to make his argument. You know, like those crime bosses in movies who threaten their rivals by insulting their taste in literature. Or by ridiculing their daughters for having poorly-publicized coming-out parties. Or by disparaging their sartorial sense for wearing white after labor day. Or by otherwise just hurting their feelings.
Well, he is about to get indicted under Georgia’s RICO law, so that comparison is not entirely unwarranted.
He would have to be convicted first. It always amazes me how you filthy communists always manage to forget that part.
Yes, and Al Capone’s primary offense was tax evasion.
True, like Hunter’s primary offense is bringing the ‘regulatory business into the private equity world.’
It always amazes me how you filthy communists…
I knew I liked you for a reason!
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The short video clip about Michael Faraday on Youtube was excellent. Thanks for the recommendation
LOL — and we know Trump is “about to get indicted under Georgia’s RICO law” because the lawless organized crime syndicat that Georgia calls a “court” awlessly released the grand jury findings BEFORE the grand jury found them.
“The Office of the Fulton County Clerk of Superior and Magistrate Courts has learned of a fictitious document that has been circulated online and reported by various media outlets related to The Fulton County Special Purpose Grand Jury.
“While there have been no documents filed today regarding such, all members of the media should be reminded that documents that do not bear an official case number, filing date, and the name of The Clerk of Courts, in concert, are not considered official filings and should not be.
“Media members can expect to be notified of any/all filings in real time and will be provided access to filings via equitable communication.
“As the official custodian of various county records, the Clerk of Courts understands the sensitivity of all court filings, especially those that are at the forefront of the national spotlight and remains committed to operating with an extreme level of efficiency, accuracy, and transparency.”
Jonathan, I think your post breaks it down in another perspective.
There are those whom 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 to stay withing the bounds of the Rule-of-Norms.
and
There are those whom 𝐝𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 to stay withing the bounds of the Rule-of-Norms.
Both ‘personalities’ are encompassed within; Democrats, Republicans, and Others.
One more try:
There are 𝐂𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐥 ways to Argue and 𝐔𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐥 ways to Argue, and they are within all Camps.
All I do know at this time is:
that 𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐝𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐕𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐕𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞. That said, if things come to a Head and the ‘breaking point’ is reached, perhaps it is meant to be.
𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐭, that speaks for itself. Sometimes … Something needs to Die in order for Something to Grow. I’ve read The Founders (T. Jefferson)* thought that the Constitution was designed to rejuvenate Itself. But if We have a broken One [𝐊] then a New Social Contract will require a Paradigm Shift. for propagation.
We’re getting closer to the Technology to enable that, That’s to say a Paradigm Shift is coming, and perhaps that may encompass the Globe (or just here).
The ‘new revolution’ may not be one that you are familiar with or recognize.
Lets not try to kill Ourselves before that has a chance to happen. Hope for the Best
* A Letter From Thomas Jefferson To James Madison. Shays’ Rebellion — a sometimes-violent uprising of farmers angry over conditions in Massachusetts in 1786 — prompted Thomas Jefferson to express the view that “𝐚 𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧𝐠” for America.
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/a-little-rebellionquotation/
I’m just Say’in,
“Sometimes … Something needs to Die in order for Something to Grow. I’ve read The Founders (T. Jefferson)* thought that the Constitution was designed to rejuvenate Itself. But if We have a broken One [𝐊] then a New Social Contract will require a Paradigm Shift. for propagation.”
That is a most interesting idea. And one I think I could to a degree agree with, but only to a degree.
I would say the Constitution could use a update.
However, I would say so in limiting government over-reach as it applies with modern times. Be interesting to see if the good professor and like minded professors could use the original Constitution as a base but write the new one addressing current issues like clarifying the 1stA with a note about the government involvement in censorship via proxy.
Clarifying the 2ndA, firearm ownership as a right in the need of a secure populace from a tyrannical Federal government and government over reach. “Well regulated,” reflecting the meaning when it was originally written i.e. the people whom make up the militia being armed and trained.
And you better believe put in an additional Amendment concerning term limits for Congress.
Unfortunately, our leftists friends would want to rewrite the Constitution to promote government over reach. They would want the government in every aspect of our lives from the bedroom, the kitchen, our speech, how we live our lives, how we raise our children, what we eat and where it comes from, how we spend our own money and more. Our leftist friends would seek to pervert the Constitution into a woke leftist dystopia.
That is what we have to fight against about.
UpstateFarmer,
Ok, I understand your points, to me, that’s just inching-along. What you suggest is more than a [K] Update or new Bill-of-Rights, however it is manifested, you would use the Tools in the ‘Toolbox’ of the current Constitution.. (Bravo, it make sense)
Here’s what my post was leading to:
In its day, the Constitution was written with a Quill. Over the years it has been Amended and ‘updated within the framework’ provided by the Founders. (Toolbox)
Today we have technology that far exceed that of the Quill. That said, Its the force behind the Quill (Thoughts) that matters.
We also have had ‘Trial and Errors’ over the same time and a pretty solid ‘recorder-record’ of this History.
We can use this history to write a new Constitution, that eliminates the errors and imbalances, and make improvements.
So a new Social Contract written 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 this technology (Human and A.I.) and 𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐲 this technology (Immutable Blockchain Declarations), can be instituted across the “Lands” by our current transmission methods (Internet).
At first glance to the Reasonable Man, that sounds like something from Outer Space.
Imagine what the ‘Constitution’ must have made People feel when it was first Published across the Lands.
It must have been like something from the Future. Many People were illiterate in that time, just as Today many People are illiterate to the ‘science’ of computer-network-cryptography. The [𝐊] parchment was an Enigma from the Future.
The Point is; what Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, et.al. came up with 𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐓𝐢𝐦𝐞.
And 𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐝 well for “We The People” for 234 Years. Now “We The People” are a Global Community, it portends that a New Social-Contract is necessary.
We will have a ‘revolution’ however it may not be the Blood & Guts Revolution that you may recognize. A ‘Revolutionary’ Digital-Social-Contract [𝐝𝐊] is now possible.
I can’t tell you how that would look, but I can tell you that there are bright young Constitutional Students that will be the next Digital Forefathers.
this thread reads like: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
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Estovir, You can only see 1 Angel dancing on the head of a pin. The 1 right in front of You.
250+ years ago there were some People that knew they had an opportunity to change things, and They did.
Because of Their ‘spirits’, there is no limit to the number of Angels that could fit on the head of a pin.
Sorry your glass has been half-empty, would you like me to pour you some more wine?
I’m just Say’in,
That is a very interesting perspective.
Something to think about while out doing chores.
Thank you for your thought provoking comment.
That was me.
Fat fingered the email address again. Still on my first cup of coffee.
So UpstateFarmer you have three (3)
” … However, I would say so in limiting government over-reach as it applies with modern times.
Be interesting to see if the good professor and like minded professors could use the original Constitution as a base but write the new one addressing current issues like: ….”
1. Clarifying the 1stA with a note about the government involvement in censorship via proxy.
2. Clarifying the 2ndA, firearm ownership as a right in the need of a secure populace from a tyrannical Federal government and government over reach. “Well regulated,” reflecting the meaning when it was originally written i.e. the people whom make up the militia being armed and trained.
3. And you better believe put in an additional Amendment concerning Term Limits for Congress. (and AGE LIMITS including the Presidency and SCOTUS)
I would add:
4. The Presidency would consist of a Council of 7 (7 Presidents) 1 of which is First among Equals for 1yr. and then rotated.
they would have a 1 time term of 7 years. (Swiss Style)
5. House of Representatives would be restructured to be a 1-to-1 Representation by A.I., Bills would be decided on aggregate demand.
6. Senate would be restructured to represent Metroplex-Areas demarcated by Population Centers (Cities not States)
7. Taxation (Flat Tax – Sales Tax) Tax Laws could be overhauled.
8. A Forth Branch of Government established around Finance (dissolve the Federal Reserve, Banking structure, and Wall Street Market connections as it is known). replace with a Pier to Pier Financial structure with regulations instituted by A.I.
There are so many areas to be re-addressed. All 3 Branches of Government can be ‘updated’, a 4th added, Checks and Balances, Cross Checks ….
Just when I thought, -as a little kid-, that the world was a great place and I was living the time of my life, my parents literally told me that there was no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny, that we were not the the most [$$$ secure] family in the world, and that little ole me could no longer run around outside without a shirt on, like my brother did.
Truly a sexist and unforgivable wrong committed upon me. Yes, -pure, undiluted, actionable sexism. I howled for days in the outdoor heat, and from then on, ALSO had to complete weekly indoor chores (dusting the furniture and shelves) to EARN my sustenance. My parents never gave in, and I thank them for that.
Just when I thought America had grown and matured to the point of equilibrium and homeostasis, the MEDIA and political forces tell me that America is NOT a good place or honorable or fair and just or worthy of continued existence. I notice outside forces tugging at the edges of its woven fabric, pulling out threads one by one and making holes in my surrounding environs.
Ah, but I truly believe that the VAST MAJORITY of good, honest, value-holding Americans respect each other and live honorable lives. We know our social compact of “natural rights” and we know our correlative duties to secure them.
If that is true, we must therefore ask ourselves, “then who or what are these external forces constantly goading, stoking, creating polarity, discord, and unrest?”
-And why?–what do they hope to gain from it?
Once you answer the first, then you know the answer to the second.
-And those early Neanderthal/Denisovan members of the human species formed social compacts and did it all without shirts on!
“…the Chicago Project on Security & Threats survey found many Americans are embracing violence as an option for political change.”
Well, Doc, it worked in the late 18th century for the betterment of “The People”. Maybe it’s time for lightning to strike again for the same purpose, betterment of and for “The People”. It might be, “…the only way to be sure”, if you know what I mean.
JAFO – a little rebellion in France in 1789 destroyed that country as a great power. In times of trouble and instability, the worst people rise to prominence.
French revolution was no-win because the people had neither a Constitutional foundation nor a couple hundred years under it’s belt in practice like we have now. The elitists literally lost their heads, yes, but there was no ‘backup’ ready to reestablish lawful order afterwards because there was basically, no ‘law’ to defend at that moment in time.
Our situation today is quite different than circumstances in 1789. The grifters need to go, for sure. We can’t afford to keep them and their grifting ways around much longer. However, there are enough People today that can get us get back to Founding Principles should the worst come to fruition. Not easily, of course, but more doable than what the French suffered then.