The Vatican appears in need of a serious media consultant. Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, the Vatican’s permanent observer to the UN, has issued a defense that boils down to insisting that implicated priests were not pedophiles but homosexuals who liked young boys — and besides no more than five percent of priests had sex with children . . . and Jews and Protestants do it more.
Tomasi made his confrontational statement following a meeting of the UN human rights council in Geneva, insisting only 1.5%-5% of Catholic clergy were involved in child sex abuse. Tomasi seems to think that the faithful can rest assured that the likelihood that the priest will sexually assault your child is only 5 out of every 100 priests. Those are odds that are viewed as more than adequate in Vegas.
He also insisted that it is more likely that your child will be abused by Protestant or Jewish religious leaders — making the Catholic Church a virtual safe zone if you are going on purely the average likelihood of a rape. That could lead to a new campaign: “Go Catholic: We are Statistically Less Likely to Rape Your Child.”
Besides, Tomasi insisted “[o]f all priests involved in the abuses, 80 to 90% belong to this sexual orientation minority which is sexually engaged with adolescent boys between the ages of 11 and 17.” He insisted most of the accused priests are homosexuals who simply liked younger partners.
The angry response came after Keith Porteous Wood of the International Humanist and Ethical Union accused the Church of covering up child abuse and being in breach of several articles under the Convention on the Rights of the Child: “The many thousands of victims of abuse deserve the international community to hold the Vatican to account, something it has been unwilling to do, so far. Both states and children’s organizations must unite to pressure the Vatican to open its files, change its procedures worldwide, and report suspected abusers to civil authorities.”
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Buddha, you cannot defeat me. I have already pulverized your argument. You sound like a broken record. You “cherry pick” the argument as you see fit. You have been thrashed, deal trollbait..
wayne,
You’ve already admitted the RCC is involved in a cover up.
Your feelings about the “organization” or your homophobic bigotry are really irrelevant except to further illustrate the poor quality of your thought and analysis. Neither of these are relevant because they are your opinion and not fact.
Yeah, we’ve heard it. So what. You’re a Papist homophobe. Other than being revolting, there’s nothing wrong with that. It was your choice. But you need to get this through your skull.
This is a law blog. They broke the law, you admitted it. You will NEVER win defending them given that scenario, not in this place.
If you really need to act out this RCC Defender Fantasy of yours, how about moving it over to a Catholic site. Or even better, an Anti-Catholic site. They’ll argue your dogma until you’re all just as happy as pigs in slop.
But here, all you do is end up looking like a loon, wayne. Seriously, move to a more appropriate venue for your interests. The way you are doing it now makes a much sense as a Barbershop Quartet playing Sturgis.
Try this one:
http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2006/11/bad-websites-catholics-should-avoid.html
It has a large list of anti-Catholic websites. The provide the list so “good Catholics” can avoid them, but hey, you’re Mr. Go Kick Ass for the Pope. Your time would be better spent at any one of them instead of here, a law blog. Don’t you think?
Your issue is you are in the wrong venue, wayne. You always have been. No one here cares much one way or the other about your RCC other than they are COMMITTING CRIMES which even you acknowledge. You’ll never win here because quite simply the facts are against you and this is a law site, not a pro or anti Catholic site. Law. Don’t care about the church. You want to wage war against those who have it out for the RCC?
Check out that list. It’s a pretty large list. It should be more than enough challenge for you to out and do whatever it is you think you are doing for the Pope. And you are doing neither him nor the RCC any favors by staying here.
You’ve been here since before me and that’s a long time. You have yet to win a single argument and you ALWAYS end up in the exact position you are now. Why is that? You do have some very rudimentary skills despite often acting like a puerile closet case, yet you cannot make the sale on your arguments.
Maybe it’s because you are in the wrong place.
Go to some site you have a chance of victory at – where the topics are actually conducive to your concerns. Because the longer you stay here, the more pitiful, desperate and masochistic you look. Please feel free to stay and look foolish, I really don’t mind as negative examples are always useful, but don’t you ever get tired of just getting hammered? Don’t you want to win some time?
Maybe you should try a different field. This one hasn’t worked out for you. See, you consistently mistake people for disliking Catholics when the people on this site dislike criminals of any religious persuasion. That you’re a homophobic bigot just makes an object of ridicule because 1) hatred is anti-Christian and 2) it’s primitive ignorant behavior based in fear and hate, not fact. That is a fatal flaw to carry in a venue where many of the opposition are trained to not only explode illogical arguments but discredit speakers for bias – a perfectly valid tactic.
Look, I’m not trying to run you off because quite frankly I don’t care about you enough to even try. Your periodic little outbursts are actually kind of amusing, just not in a way you should appreciate. But what I am suggesting is that you’d have more success and find more appropraite threads and more like minds to your own at one of those sites I provided in the link above. You’d be happier and so would the Prof at not having to edit the BillyWayne Journal of Antagonistic Catholicism when this is a LAW BLOG. We’d loose some entertainment in troll bashing, but hey, everyone needs a change sometime.
Think about it.
Sorry Mike, you have it in “reverse”. The institution of the Church is “good”. The teachings help people live better lives. The “gay mafia” you mentioned is the “cancer” within the Church that is causing the scandal and has caused many pepole to lose their faith due to irresponsible Bishops ordaining men, who they knew should have not been ordained, your logic is disordered Mike.
Billy,
You’re coming closer to reality with this:
“you know what is also HORRIBLE? The Church continuing to “ordain men” who are “blatantly homosexual”, who molest underage boys….”
However, you still don’t quite get that it is the institution that is to fault and not some “Gay Mafia” within it. This is true of all religious institutions, of all faiths, that have bureaucratized to any degree, including my own. The establishment of any overarching religious institution that claims to be arbiter of a “true faith” and collects tons of money, will eventually lead to control by “religious politicians” who are more self involved, than pious. From that will come behavior such as this, which is more about the cover-up than the crime and makes a mockery of any claim to moral authority.
Mike, Mike, earth to Mike….. I believe that these “rotten priests” should be in prison. Remuneration needs to be made to “all” the victims! Now that this is covered lets’ address the PROBLEM. The ordination of “blatantly homosexual men”, who continue to bring scandal upon the Church because they “molest underage boys”! When they are “screened out” before admission, the “problem” will inexorably change! The “moron bishops” who have ordained these “criminals” should be laicized! They should also have “never been ordained”, due to their proclivities..
Billy,
Who cares if they are HOMO’s I have read a book that suggested Jesus may have been married and BISEXUAL. So why the problem with men having sex with men if they consent? I don’t care for it but it is a choice. Where I do have a problem is when they involve little children. That is where I draw the line.
Mike S. your “smoke screen” is as pathetic as buddhas and AY’s It is horrible, that the Church has covered up this “crime”. I have answered your question, I agree it is HORRIBLE! Guess what Mike? You know what is also HORRIBLE? The Church continuing to “ordain men” who are “blatantly homosexual”, who molest underage boys….
“Mike S. your statistics have nothing to do with DSM. The statistics have to do with priests molesting boys”
Billy,
Those were your statistics, not mine and I’d like a link as to the percentage of choir girls to choir boys in the last forty years. I think that would resurrect my point.
Your admission:
“McFly, the criminal acts are covered up by rotten bishops, who never should have ordained these homo/pedo priests in the first place, you lose jack. Buh bye troll….”
Is disingenuous because the entire RCC as an Institution covered up these crimes and not just some rogue Archbishops. You don’t think that the entire hierarchy knew, from the Pope on down, that millions of dollars in hush money to settle lawsuits quietly was being paid and that Priests were being snatched out of venues to hide them from the authorities?
Where you miss the boat on all of this, so caught in the net of your own belief, is that I’m not personally saying the RCC is evil, or even that they don’t do some good in the world. I personally believe that their stand against capital punishment is a courageous one and they are the only anti-abortion religion that by doing so remains logically consistent. The RCC has also done much to help the downtrodden and advocated for the poor in the world and that is also a good thing. However, in this instance their actions have been so morally indefensible, that it negates their ability to preach morals and ethics to anyone.
The reason the bishops cover this “muck” up is because, guess what? They are also HOMOSEXUAL!
Mike, read the links I have provide by the priests who are “insiders”.They admit that homosexuality is “rampant” as well as “pedophilia”. The reason the priests are molesting the boys is because they are homosexual in “orientaion”(we covered this before). The crime they are committing is “pedophilia”, they ONLY molest boys because that is what they like sexually! Staitically over 95%, because they are HOMOSEXUAL. If you were to meet or watch some of these men “interviewed on television”, guess what? They act gay and even admit to being homosexual.
Billy “1” Buddha and Mike S. “0”. Mike S. your statistics have nothing to do with DSM. The statistics have to do with priests molesting boys. Coincidentally, “alter girls” have beem serving priests in most parishes for many years, almost “ZERO” have been molested, in fact I can’t find any statistics sayin any have. Why ? Because the “homosexual priest” who is doing the molesting “ONLY” likes boys. The truth is liberating MIKE S. I think you attended the same Boobcatcher U. as buddhatroll.
AY,
That was last night. I have yet another engagement this evening.
In summary,
THE CHARGE (Buddha): October 2, 2009 at 6:47 pm
The RCC is currently engaged in helping felons escape justice as to avoid civil liability for crimes done by “employees under their control.”
THE ADMISSION (billywaynejoebobtrollpants):
We agree, “troll”, the church has covered up pedophilia and payed out a bumper crop of cash, McFly! My contention is that they are doing this because the “wayward priests” in the church are homosexual in orientaion and committing acts of pedophilia, stop the “smoke screen troll”…
FINAL SCORE:
Buddha – 1
billy – -1 (0 with one red card for homophobic slurs unrelated to the charge)
“Just type in (on any search engine, Pedophiles and Homosexuality”. The data is staggering). 1) Fox news.com “Shanley co-owned Gay Hotel in California.2) Gay Culture in Catholic Church grows Link: Gay Culture in Catholic church grows.3) Link: Confessions of a Gay Priest by David France.”
http://www.medem.com/?q=medlib/article/ZZZUZRUZGLC
http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/pedophiliaTR.htm
Billy,
Since you, not I put such store in the DSM IV the links above might remind you that it does not link homosexual behavior specifically with pedophilia. As for your assertion:
“The question that I stated was “homosexuality and pedophilia are linked” within the church priesthood”, based upon the “disproportionate number” of male on male molestation with priests and underage boys.”
This is not credible statistically considering how many male youths are Altar boys. That number is disproportionate to the availability of young females to these same number of Priests.
However, that whole argument by you is irrelevant even if you were correct. The real basis of discussion here is the RCC condoning pedophilia by ignoring it and trying to cover it up. That is the essential immoral and unethical behavior in question and the RCC’s role in it is shameful and disgusting. The accusations made by the Archbishop above are a weak attempt at refusal to accept responsibility for abetting horrible crimes that have maimed to psyches of countless youngsters. That is fact, not bigotry.
“The truth is so “liberating”, it will set you free. Buddha, I have yet to have “my response”.”
Buddha, can take care of himself but why should he or I give you the response you seek when you have not answered the central question we posed as I stated above:
“Most annoying about Billy/Waynes posts here has been that he has never once answered the question that Buddha and I posed which is how do you justify the protection and cover-up of these Priests by the RCC?”
Buddha,
I think you were asked out on a date or at least some form of entertainment?
Come on, troll-o-Pope. Tell us how the RCC isn’t covering up crimes now that you’ve admitted that they are. I’d like to see you eat your own feet up to the knee.
McFly, the criminal acts are covered up by rotten bishops, who never should have ordained these homo/pedo priests in the first place, you lose jack. Buh bye troll….
Denial, ughhh, de nile dee riva dat ruins threw e jipped. rite?
“Buddha, We agree, “troll”, the church has covered up pedophilia and payed out a bumper crop of cash , McFly! My contention is that they are doing this because the “wayward priests” in the church are homosexual in orientaion and committing acts of pedophilia, stop the “smoke screen troll”…”
That reads as 1) an admission and 2) yet another attempt to slur homosexuals because of the criminal acts of employees of the RCC.
Now what was that you won again?
When it comes to reason, logic and facts it is apparent now. I graduated from UCLA and you graduated from “Boobcatcher U” Or is your “ignorance and unbelief” coming from some other source..