ABC has a truly bizarre and disturbing story. Brian Ross reports that a military contractor has encoded hidden New Testament Bible passages on high-powered rifle sites. The contractor is Trijicon, which apparently confirmed the practice.
The biblical references appear as, in one case, 2COR4:6 — an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: “For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.”
The company received $660 million under a contract to supply 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps. It has other contracts with the Army.
U.S. regulations prohibits proselytizing of any religion. Moreover, such additions to military equipment should violate the contract which presumably did not ask for biblical citations with gun sights.
The use of biblical citations will only reaffirm the view of many that the U.S. went into Iraq and Afghanistan on a “crusade.” This view was magnified by Bush calling its a crusade and later citing Biblical passages to convince other leaders that this was a worthy, if not divinely ordained, effort. His subordinates appeared to keep Bush in a Biblical mindset by adding prominent quotations from the Bible in reports on the war, here.
In my view, this raises serious legal questions that should result in a review of this contract. As a minimum, the contractor should have to pay for the removal of the citations. We have to able to trust contractors not to carry out their hidden or religious agenda as part of a contract with the American people. Just imagine if these were citation to the Koran. If the company wishes to proselytize it should do so with theocratic governments. Perhaps the Swiss Guards that the Vatican need a few sights and citations.
For the full story, click here.
Byron 1, January 19, 2010 at 6:17 pm
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"I am not saying that Paul the Christian killed anyone, I am saying that he was Saul at one time and did some not so good things. He atoned for them as Paul, you are confusing Paul/Saul with the Father/Son/Holy Ghost. "
I'm not confusing anything troll.
That wasn't the topic.
Just because you keep changing the topic to suit your stupidity, doesn't mean I have to to.
“I don’t care if his name was Toby or Kunta Kinte.” -Pinandpuller
You’re either the most ignorant cuss on the planet, or the biggest liar I’ve met in a long time.
One more time troll.
The question was over whether PAUL wrote instructions in the Book of Romans ordering Christians to be killed for transgressions.
I pointed out he did not.
Then troll number 2 showed up and tried to pretend he held their coats, when in fact, that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC.
That was something he did as SAUL, prior to his conversion.
What that means is, SAUL could not have had anything to do with the BOOK OF ROMANS.
Get it troll?
If not I’ll repost my same answers until your thick skull absorbs them.
Prof: ” If the company wishes to proselytize it should do so with theocratic governments”
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I am not saying that Paul the Christian killed anyone, I am saying that he was Saul at one time and did some not so good things. He atoned for them as Paul, you are confusing Paul/Saul with the Father/Son/Holy Ghost.
So Saul became Paul but wasnt Saul anymore? He was born as Saul and died as Paul but between birth and death he was no longer Saul but Paul down the road?
And Paul did nothing bad but Saul did so Paul was not Saul when he became Paul. I think I have it figured out.
ThirtyPercenter
“Every kid who’s ever attended a Christian Sunday School is familiar with Paul the Apostle and his famous conversion on the road to Tarsus to Christianity.”
I think you mean Damascus. Did you write something off the top of your head or are you being dishonest? Ignorant?
“Prior to that conversion he helped persecute Christians. That’s well known.”
That’s why I brought it up.
“His name wasn’t Paul then. It was Saul of Tarsus and he helped persecuted Christians.”
I don’t care if his name was Toby or Kunta Kinte.
“We however were discussing a scripture written by Paul the Apostle, where I pointed out that he did not order anyone to be killed in it.”
Granted. I don’t know exactly why I brought it up. I think it’s because I get a corn kernel every time I hit your buzzer.
“You however tried to discredit that notion, by referencing not the scripture we were discussing, but instead something “Paul the Apostle” never did nor ordered.”
I didn’t try very hard . The Apostle formerly known as Saul most certainly did. You’re the one playing the name game.
“You tried shooting down my correct answer with a falsehood.”
I didn’t really try.
“Either you were ignorant of the fact that Paul used to be Saul,
”
It doesn’t matter what I knew and when I knew it because they are the same person. Yesterday, today and forever.
“and persecuted Christians prior to becoming one”
Which I correctly pointed out.
“or you knew that and simply were being dishonest like the other Christian critics in here.”
Are you saying that I am a critic of Christianity or a critical Christian?
“Which was it?”
You asked me first. Wait…
“Ignorant? Or dishonest?”
Why must I choose?
I can be ignorant when I persecute Christians and dishonest when I convert and change my name.
“The USA is not a Christian nation. We are a nation where there are a lot of Christians. There is a reason for this: separation of church and state.” – William Glaser
Agreed.
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Maybe it is because Saul changed his name to Paul and joined the Church so he is not the same person. Even my last Presbyterian Minister wouldnt fall for that and he was a pretty "liberal" minister." – Byron
Continuing to lie byron won't further your cause.
No one said he wasn’t. But PAUL the Apostle did not EXIST at the time SAUL OF TARSUS was persecuting Christians.
Paul didn't become Paul until the road to Damascus and his subsequent conversion.
No ones talking about the nature of conversion or repenting.
That's another one of your lies.
The issues was about what PAUL THE APOSTLE wrote in the BOOK OF ROMANS (caps for emphasis since you seem to miss these words) , your references to SAUL OF TARSUS are moot.
Paul didn't write in the book of Romans, or any of the epistles prior to his conversion.
Keep moving the goal posts troll, and I’ll keep moving them back.
The USA is not a Christian nation. We are a nation where there are a lot of Christians. There is a reason for this: separation of church and state.
“We are merely pointing out that even though you have atoned for your sins you are still the same person, although washed clean by the sacrifice of Jesus. ” Byron
No one said he wasn’t. But PAUL the Apostle did not EXIST at the time SAUL OF TARSUS was persecuting Christians.
And since the point was what PAUL THE APOSTLE wrote in the BOOK OF ROMANS (caps for emphasis since you seem to miss these words) , your references to SAUL OF TARSUS are moot.
Keep moving the goal posts troll, and I’ll keep moving them back.
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Maybe it is because Saul changed his name to Paul and joined the Church so he is not the same person. Even my last Presbyterian Minister wouldnt fall for that and he was a pretty "liberal" minister.
Since “SAUL OF TARSUS” was not yet a member of the Christian faith, his actions then have nothing to do with the topic we were discussing.
I’ll correct you each time you try to repost your lie.
“Ok, I will go and kill someone and change my name. That way I cannot atone for my action.” -Bryon
Continuing your lie won’t work troll.
The issue was whether PAUL THE APOSTLE ordered Christians to kill other Christians over transgressions.
He did not.
And thus you are once again demonstrated to be not only dishonest, but ignorant about the facts on which you speak.
There are plenty of Christians who speak out against the neoconservative evangelical distortions of the Christian faith.
But no ones hearing them. A complaint I often hear in liberal and progressive blogs.
The irony here of course is the reason no ones hearing them is because they are shouted down and ridiculed in every liberal and progressive blog on the internet.
Not that I cannot handle your juvenile insults and slurs to my faith or my character. But it would be nice if once and a while the “erudite left” actually acted like it.
Ok, I will go and kill someone and change my name. That way I cannot atone for my action.
He was the same person, he may have changed his name and become a Christian and been a good man for the rest of his life but he still did some bad things. His transgressions are not a blight on the Church.
And we, at least I am not, are not saying Christianity is bad because Paul used to be Saul.
We are merely pointing out that even though you have atoned for your sins you are still the same person, although washed clean by the sacrifice of Jesus.
By the way that happy face is way to aggressive but the yellow becomes you.
“Paul/Saul:
was it not the same person? Did he change bodies?
He may be forgiven but he still did the deed.
Just because you are forgiven you still have the same soul, you just get a mulligan not a totally new you with no memories of past deeds.
You sound like you are speaking literally.” Byron
The level of either ignorance and dishonesty between you two is astounding. Soon I will cease to answer your charades if neither of you is capable of an honest, coherent comment.
1. You produce a scripture implying Paul is ordering people to be killed.
2. I point out that he was doing no such thing and did not order people to be killed.
3. Pinandpuller then posts my comment, and challenges it by claiming “PAUL” held peoples coats while they were being killed.
4. I point out that “PAUL” did no such thing, but that was something he did as SAUL, prior to his conversion (hence you cannot leverage the actions of a non Christian and claim these are actions endorsed by the Christians).
Now you’re trying to play semantic games by continually changing the topic, moving the goal posts continually down the field and playing silly games hoping to get a rise out of me.
I entered this blog a week ago and voice my opinion on a matter of Christianity which also revealed my belief therein.
Since then the “liberals and progressives” in this blog have done nothing but insult my beliefs and the faith of millions and lie, twist and distort the scriptures of which they are so clearly ignorant of.
Perhaps when you’re out preaching tolerance for sexual orientation an racial harmony, you might try examining your own ugly prejudice towards people of faith.
“Paul/Saul:
was it not the same person? Did he change bodies?
He may be forgiven but he still did the deed.” – Pinandpuller
So dishonest is your answer?
The statement of mine you addressed was refuting an early scripture of PAUL THE APOSTLE.
In doing so I pointed out that PAUL never ordered anyone to be killed.
Your response ignored the fact that we were discussing “PAUL” in the “EARLY CHURCH” and instead twisted it to be something he had done BEFORE he became a Christian.
Thus your comment was dishonest.
As you are being now.
Well, let’s just get the ball rolling here…
“And the fact that at no time during the early church did Paul ever call for a single person to be killed”…,
No, he just held the jackets of the other guys who were killing Christians.” – Pinandpuller
“And behold, yet another example of someone attacking Christianity by twisting the facts.”
Wow-attacking Christianity by referring to a Jew who converted to Christianity after persecuting Christians. Talk about twisting. Since it’s all about the Gospels why’s your tunic in a twist over Paul?
“We were referring to the “Apostle Paul” and his teachings as the Apostle Paul.
Not his pre-Christian Pagan life.”
Dear Diary,
Today I learned that Pharisees are pagans.
“Paul” never did any such thing.
I knew him before he started using that stage name.
“Paul” was “SAUL’S” converted name after his vision of the resurrected Christ on the road to Damascus. Saul persecuted Christians. Paul did not.”
And Issur Danielovitch wasn’t Spartacus. Right.
You aren’t Roman Polanski, as Byron speculated. You’re more like an American Gigilo and I can’t wait to see what you pull out of your ass next.
I take issue with your previous characterization that I was a troll but congratulations-you converted me hahahaha!!!!!!
Paul/Saul:
was it not the same person? Did he change bodies?
He may be forgiven but he still did the deed.
Just because you are forgiven you still have the same soul, you just get a mulligan not a totally new you with no memories of past deeds.
You sound like you are speaking literally.
Every kid who’s ever attended a Christian Sunday School is familiar with Paul the Apostle and his famous conversion on the road to Tarsus to Christianity.
Prior to that conversion he helped persecute Christians. That’s well known. His name wasn’t Paul then. It was Saul of Tarsus and he helped persecuted Christians.
We however were discussing a scripture written by Paul the Apostle, where I pointed out that he did not order anyone to be killed in it.
You however tried to discredit that notion, by referencing not the scripture we were discussing, but instead something “Paul the Apostle” never did nor ordered.
You tried shooting down my correct answer with a falsehood. Either you were ignorant of the fact that Paul used to be Saul, and persecuted Christians prior to becoming one, or you knew that and simply were being dishonest like the other Christian critics in here.
Which was it?
Ignorant? Or dishonest?
I’m sorry Pinandpuller.
Before you go moving the goal posts further down the field as your other anti-Christian “progressives” have been doing, you’ll need to account for your first misrepresentation.
You said Paul did those things.
I set you straight.
Lets address that before we play the ole shell game, shall we?