144 thoughts on “End of the Road?”

  1. Blouise, Glad I did not debate today. Have been around and around the tea party debate with so many people on here that I have lost track of whom and when. Watching baseball, and the Texas Rangers are leading 7-3 in extra innings. They say game 4 is the most important so we shall see.

  2. Blouise,

    When time permits (yes, I was and am working), I’ll sift through this thread, but thanks for those links… And maybe you could work something out with HenMan — I could use those bobcats for a few days… Drop them in NY on your way home from Boston?

  3. Questions to which one won’t accept honest answers one doesn’t happen to like aren’t as honest as one might hope. The “known positions” attributed to Obama earlier are for the most part not in fact Obama’s positions. That matters.

  4. HenMan,

    You’ll learn … disagreeing means you don’t get it … I disagreed once, months ago, and didn’t even do any name calling … just disagreed and stated why. I was told that my posts would no longer be read, nor responded to. I was even told that it would be best if I no longer read her posts.

    You can imagine the fun I’ve been having since then. πŸ˜‰ Today she broke her own rule … I love it!

  5. Woosty’s still a Cat
    1, October 12, 2011 at 6:35 pm
    Henman i wouldlike to see a picture of your Bobcats……

    hubba hubba

  6. Mike,
    Great question. Any of the current Teapublicans would be just as far right or farther right than Obama on Security and Rule of Law issues, but they would many times worse on every single social issue, especially for women.

  7. Mike S.,

    Do you really think Obama hasn’t been a disaster for this nation? I laid out an honest set of questions to S.M. above. In that post I laid out known positions that Obama has taken. This was from yesterday’s thread concerning JT’s interview on NPR. In that, JT called obama a disaster for the nation concerning civil liberties.

    It would be nice if you would discuss this issue with me without any personal attacks. I’m willing to have a conversation with anyone here but I’m not willing to have a nasty exchange. Life is too short for that.

    1. Jill,

      Look in the mirror when talking about personal attacks. As for Obama, would McCain have been better or worse? Or don’t you care?

  8. Mike S.,

    My neighbor is a tea bagger. He works very hard in a program to prevent the trafficking of young people in the toledo area. It is a huge problem here. Yes, he really sucks.


    You don’t understand what I’m saying so we’ll just leave it at that. I have no idea why I should fear you and your baggy pants! That just seems silly.

  9. Mike Spindell1, October 12, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    “To fail to comprehend that difference, is to expose that ones empathy for those getting screwed, is theoretical rather than visceral.”
    yup for sure!

    you say things just right!

  10. Jill-

    This story was originally about confusing street signs. Your allegation that Blouise and I highjacked this thread is not correct. The comments were all about the street signs until David and then you started talking smack about Obama- (not that I object to that).

    I was about to comment favorably on your 11:01am post until you accidentally drove the train off the the tracks and caused me a “What the hell is she doing?” moment.

    Your comments about Obama needing to have his usurpations of illegal powers curbed to, among other reasons, prevent them from being used by a possible future Tea Party President, were right on the mark.

    Your comments of 4:23pm however, are absolute nonsense. I don’t have hatred for the teabaggers, just disrespect. People who work against their own interests and carry signs saying “Keep the Government Out of My Medicare” are too stupid to be a threat to our country. The Whigs are a greater danger and smarter, too. I don’t lie awake at night worrying about a non-existent threat.

    You said, “I notice that neither one of you (HenMan and Blouise) even comment on JT and Glenn’s condemnation of liberals for their support of the exact same illegal policies as teabaggers support.”

    Where the hell have you been for the last two years? I rip on Obama all the time. I just recently used reams of electronic ether paper debating with Swarthmore Mom over her willingness to vote for Obama, if necessary, as the lesser of two evils vs. my attitude of “find a Primary challenger” and “throw the bum out”.

    You apparently want me to be a propagandist for the left. I’m not a propagandist, I’m a happy old fart with a pair of baggy pants and a slapstick. And bobcats- badass bobcats with rabies and paranoia. Don’t mess with them- they’re dangerous.

  11. McCain probably would have gone to war with Iran as he was singing about bombing Iran.

  12. The irony thickens!

    There’s no chance of Obama going to war with Iran, for several reasons, not the least of which is that we couldn’t win, it would totally screw up everything we’re trying to do in the region, etc. (There wasn’t even a realistic chance of that under Bush, for equally obvious reasons, but the same people were certain Bush was going to do it just the same. Funny thing is that the level of certainty remains constant no matter how many times the predictions fail.) The point of playing up this plot is to increase diplomatic pressure on Iran.

  13. Dennis-

    The “Soc.Security check” is what’s known as “poetic license”. The rest of my comment is, of course, all true.

    I, too, got through Basic Training by curling up in a ball and sucking my thumb. That, and the saltpeter in the mashed potatoes.

    (And a salute to Bette Noir for her earlier comment and my derivative joke.)

  14. Been fun but gotta go … big meeting on veto referendum here in Ohio … fight the teabaggers’ redistricting plans

  15. From Greenwald’s third update, an important link: “…Why the plot doesn’t add up

    But Iran specialists who have followed the Islamic Republic for years say that many details in the alleged plot just don’t add up.

    “It’s a very strange case, it doesn’t really fit Iran’s mode of operation,” says Alireza Nader, an Iran analyst at the Rand Corp. in Arlington, Va., and coauthor of studies about the Revolutionary Guard.

    “When you look at Iranian use of terrorism, it has some very specific objectives, whether it’s countering the United States in Iraq or Afghanistan, or retaliating against perceived Israeli actions,” says Mr. Nader.

    “This [plot] doesn’t seem to serve Iran’s interests in any conceivable way,” says Nader. “Assassinating the Saudi ambassador would increase international pressure against Iran, could be considered an act of war … by Saudi Arabia, it could really destabilize the government in Iran; and this is a political system that is interested in its own survival.”
    No apparent cost-benefit analysis

    Iran has been trying to evade sanctions, strengthen relations with non-Western partners, while continuing with its nuclear program, notes Nader.

    He says it is “difficult” to believe that either Qassim Soleimani – the canny commander of the Qods Force – or Iran’s deliberative supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, would order such an attack that “would put all of Iran’s objectives and strategies at risk.”

    That view has been echoed by many Iran watchers, who are raising doubts about the assassination plot allegations. The usual cost-benefit analysis that generally characterizes Tehran’s decisionmaking does not apply here, says Muhammad Sahimi, in an analysis for Tehran Bureau website.

    At a time when pressure is building on Iran over “gross human rights violations,” sanctions are showing signs of working, Iran is “deeply worried about the fate of its strategic partner in Syria … tensions with Turkey are increasing … and a fierce power struggle is underway within Iran,” says Mr. Sahimi, “it is essentially impossible to believe that the IRI [Islamic Republic of Iran] would act in such a way as to open a major new front against itself.”

  16. raff,

    You’re welcome … anon nurse is probably at work but she’ll read it all tonight.

    Did you see Mike S is posting? Big relief … now I can stop worrying about him.

    1. Alive and well in PC hell, but my kids & grandlkids more than make up for it.

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