“Dire” for Democracy? New York Mag Columnist Decries the Popularity of Chief Justice Roberts

 

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  1. anonymous:you ALMOST repeated,verbatim, what I said two days ago. (that we are a constituionsl REPUBLIC or maube a REPUBLICAN democracy. Tour slight modification (that we are a representative democracy) is auintessentially the definition of a REPUBLIC: i.e., ruled by ELECTED represensrives and leader….

    1. ATS thinks he is smart. He isn’t. He’s a troll.

      He plays word games continuously when he is not lying. Apparently he’s been banned again. That is why he appears with new icons and new names, but for now his wings have been clipped.

  2. It is interesting that liberals decry Chief Justice John Roberts for leading a Supreme Court conservative majority when Roberts has often frustrated the legal opinions of the conservatives on the court. That said, Roberts has done this nation a hugely significant disservice by allowing the court to avoid taking up the most important cases of this nation’s history involving the fraudulent election of this President. For that, Roberts deserves all the incoming flak from the right as his term proceeds.

    1. The REAL insurrection and destruction of the democracy comes from these pathetic hypocritical corrupt politicians trying to breach the co-equal branches barrier for their own political and personal benefit – ALL politicians doing this are the REAL insurrectionists and should be punished for such acts of sedition

    2. If the conservative majority had wanted to hear the cases, Roberts could not have prevented them from granting cert. It only takes 4 justices to grant cert. Biden wasn’t elected via fraud. Trump lost, fair and square, because most voters wanted Trump out of office.

  3. However 75% of America lives in the 20 most populous states. Which means that one quarter of America has more Senate votes than the other three quarters. At face value, this model does not resemble a democracy.

    How is that different than when the Constitution was ratified? With out research, I would guess Boston, Philly, and NYC took in 90% of the population. Our govt structure is crafted to spread out the geographic representation.

    You also fail to realize what the goal was.

    To form a union that represented ALL of the co-signers. The goal was to UNITE all 13 “states” with an entity to do things the States individually could not do. International trade(tarriffs), and defense being two big pieces.

    The concept was not new They already had passed the articles of confederation. Something that was falling short of meeting their goals.

    Go ahead a continue to point out all the features and benefits, while misrepresenting them a flaws.

    Way short of historical knowledge

  4. Except for rulings like “Kelo v. City of New London” and “Terry v. Ohio” – rulings that required constitutional amendments.

  5. Justices of the Supreme Court are required to take an oath to support the Constitution. The Constitution is nothing but its “manifest tenor.” Even an infinitesimal deviation from the “manifest tenor” of the Constitution is a crime of high office against the people, the beneficiaries of the Constitution.

    Chief Justice John Roberts should have been impeached and convicted for, as but one example, incoherently and illicitly commingling the definitions of the words “state” and “federal” to support the “exchanges” in the wholly unconstitutional Affordable Care Act.

    Chief Justice Roger B. Taney immediately informed Abraham Lincoln that his order to suspend habeas corpus was unconstitutional. Chief Justice John Roberts should have immediately struck down, in one fell swoop, the entire unconstitutional American welfare state when he assumed office.

    That John Roberts does not like Constitutional rights, freedoms, privileges and immunities, does not nullify those maximal rights, freedoms, privileges and immunities; his corruption, communist bias and subjectivity does.

    The first item on the list of any new Republican held Congress must be mass-action impeachment of the treasonous members of the judicial branch, beginning with the juridically heinous, high criminal, John Roberts.

    1. Is there a particular Supreme Court decision that you object to when you say the entire American welfare state is unconstitutional? Thanks.

      1. Go read your Constitution.
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        “You can’t handle the truth.”

        – Colonel Jessup
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        Article 1, Section 8, provides Congress the power to tax ONLY for “…general Welfare…,” omitting and, thereby, excluding any power to tax for individual welfare, specific welfare, redistribution of wealth or charity. Clearly, “…general Welfare…” is infrastructure and consists of roads, air ports, post office, telephone, water, sewer, electricity, trash collection, etc., commodities and services that facilitate endeavor generally so that ALL WELL PROCEED. Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, etc., serve very small portions of the general population. The same article provides Congress the power to regulate ONLY money, the “flow” of commerce, and land and naval Forces. Additionally, the 5th Amendment right to private property is not qualified by the Constitution and is, therefore, absolute, allowing Congress no power to claim or exercise dominion over private property, the sole exception being the power to “take” private property for public use. Congress cannot order a private property enterprise to hire any particular person and what to pay, what to charge for rent, or whom to rent or sell a private property to. When it does, it makes the property public.

        Government exists, under the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to provide maximal freedom to individuals while it is severely limited and restricted to merely facilitating that maximal freedom of individuals through the provision of security and infrastructure.

        The entire communistic American welfare state is unconstitutional including, but not limited to, matriculation affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.

        If rights and freedoms and restrictions on government are not absolute, then rights and freedoms and restrictions on government don’t exist, and America persists under a dictatorship.

        1. George, you do know, don’t you, that “Colonel Jessup” is a fictional character from the film “A Few Good Men”, who was willing to allow 2 Marines to be convicted of murder, and probably executed, for following his order to administer a “Code Red” to a Marine who, it turns out, had a congenital heart condition that made it difficult for hiim to keep up with his fellow Marines. The reason for the “Code Red” is that the Marine who was murdered reported the abuse he suffered outside of the chain of command after being denied a request for a transfer from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I don’t understand your fascination with this fictional character. He only confessed to ordering the “Code Red” after being goaded into it by Tom Cruise’s character. He was a liar and coward and is not noble nor admirable in any respect. Why don’t you see that?

      2. Helvering v. Davis (1937) extended the general welfare clause to grant Congress unenumerated powers as long as Congress determined that in their judgement those powers promoted the general welfare. Madison’s warning against this proved prescient as this opinion eventually paved the way for a massive and counterproductive welfare state.

        1. “Helvering v. Davis” was and remains unconstitutional amendment, and those traitors should have been thrown in prison, if not Drawn and Quartered, for challenging the authority of the sovereign, the people through their elected representatives, all of whom persist under the absolute dominion of the Constitution. There is a process for amendment. The judicial branch has no power to legislate, modify legislation or modify legislation through “interpretation.” Legislating from the bench is a crime of high office. The judicial branch is distinctly not the legislative branch, and every last one of its members must be impeached and convicted for abuse and usurpation of power, and for perpetrating that egregious transgression.
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          “…courts…must…declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void.”

          “…men…do…what their powers do not authorize, [and] what they forbid.”

          “[A] limited Constitution … can be preserved in practice no other way than through the medium of courts of justice, whose duty it must be to declare all acts contrary to the manifest tenor of the Constitution void. Without this, all the reservations of particular rights or privileges would amount to nothing … To deny this would be to affirm … that men acting by virtue of powers may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.”

          – Alexander Hamilton

        2. I agree. The “general welfare” line was a restriction not a broadening of powers.
          It was intended to prohibit specifically targeted legislation intended to benefit narrow interests.

      3. Not sure if you went to a law school, if so I’d ask for a refund .

        The unites states of America is a constutional republic not some form of democracy.

  6. Current SCOTUS Represents Minority Rule

    We have the court we have because every state has 2 senators regardless of population.

    However 75% of America lives in the 20 most populous states. Which means that one quarter of America has more Senate votes than the other three quarters. At face value, this model does not resemble a democracy.

    Consequently our Supreme Court represents a country where Whites in less populated regions have a disproportionate voice in national politics. For this reason the court is packed with Federalists committed to gun rights, business interests and abortion restrictions. These principles are largely out of step with most Americans.

    But Professor Turley is fond of pretending this court stands firmly with the Constitution. ‘And if that makes the court unpopular then so be it’. This view embodies the sham idea that Federalist judges are somehow the legitimate intellectual heirs of our Founding Father’s. What a bunch of nonsense!

    1. “Consequently our Supreme Court represents a country where Whites in less populated regions have a disproportionate voice in national politics.”
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      George Wallace couldn’t have said it better. Just change the color!

      1. Just like Civil War days, Democrats continue to think of people of color as ignorant, weak, slaves to be owned and told how to live. We do not need anyone, never mind latte drinking Leftists, telling us what to think when we see with our own eyes how our nation is as broken as Chicago.

        This Chicago 911 Dispatcher should run Chicago

        Toronto Sun:

        ALL HELL HAS BROKEN LOOSE’: Chicago’s mayor under fire for soaring crime

        This is not a Black problem, a white problem, a Democratic problem, a Republican problem, a Latino problem, this is an all-hands-on-deck problem and everyone within Chicago should be fuelled up — and that’s why I’m taking a stand,” he explained.

        https://torontosun.com/news/crime/all-hell-has-broken-loose-chicagos-mayor-under-fire-for-soaring-crime

        NY Post:

        In my opinion and fact, the blood is on her hands,” Chicago 911 dispatcher Keith A. Thornton, Jr. said. “Every child and every youth and adult and elderly person that is shot, killed, pulled out of their vehicle because of carjackings with AK-47s, that is on her hands.”

        “This mayor does not care about Chicago police officers, period,” Thornton said.

        “She doesn’t care about any first responders. She don’t care about the damn city,” he said. “Doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, Asian, Hispanic, other. Straight, gay. Democrat or Republican. She doesn’t even care about her city workers. All that lady cares about is her f—ing self,” Thornton said. “And I pray you’re watching this because you’re a disgrace. And I’m tired of it, and your city is tired of it.

    2. I repeat from earlier:

      We are a very diverse nation that offers many possibilities for how we each choose to live our lives. One of the most common and stark differences among those choices is unban vs. rural, city vs. country. The two are about as different as you can get, with one generally embracing strong authoritarian government the other giving individual freedom, accountability and responsibility their highest priority. At present it seems that a growing majority of people in our country are living in urban settings. That is their choice, but why should they have the right to foist the way they want to be governed on those opting to live lives with more individual freedom? That would be an example of “tyranny of the majority”, and ironically, because urban liberals are always clamoring for more diversity, would make our country less diverse.

      1. carpslaw:

        “One of the most common and stark differences among those choices is unban vs. rural, city vs. country. The two are about as different as you can get, with one generally embracing strong authoritarian government the other giving individual freedom, accountability and responsibility their highest priority.”
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        From Jefferson’s pen to your ear:

        “Those who labor in the earth are the chosen people of God, if ever he had a chosen people, whose breasts He has made His peculiar deposit for substantial and genuine virtue.

        (…)

        While we have land to labor then, let us never wish to see our citizens occupied at a work-bench, or twirling a distaff….For the general operations of manufacture, let our workshops remain in Europe….The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body.”

        ~Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (1781)

        The next great divide isn’t political or racial; it’s geographical as the Sage at Monticello knew way back then.

    3. Also, a few questions:

      Would it be fair if a political party getting 51% of the popular votes gets to dictate 100% of the time how we should be governed?

      In a pure democracy what is there to stop that from happening?

      Would you want that to be the case when you’re on the side of the 49%?

    4. Exactly how did the Reconstruction Ammendmets get ratified? How did Civil rights legislation get passed?

      If you were something other stupid, as in, unable to learn. You would have just a passing brush of history to know your talking points are meaningless and contradicted by historical facts.

    5. “For this reason the court is packed with Federalists committed to gun rights, business interests and abortion restrictions. These principles are largely out of step with most Americans.”

      – Aninny (attribution Mespo)
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      The U.S. Constitution, the United States and the actual American people are irrevocably “committed” to gun rights; avail yourself of the 2nd Amendment.

      “Business interests” are what the Constitution exists to facilitate – freedom, free enterprise, “the pursuit of happiness,” and no regulation beyond money, commerce and land and naval Forces – labor is free to accept or reject a job.

      Abortion is neither provided nor denied, is not addressed by the Constitution, and is a matter of code and/or statute – abortion may be codified legal or illegal.

      It is a preposterous contradiction in terms, an oxymoron, to claim that individuals who oppose the U.S. Constitution are “Americans,” Supreme Court Justices must swear an oath to support the Constitution.

      “Most Americans” are eminent and abundant beneficiaries of the principles of the Constitution.

  7. The left hates it when the people act in a fashion that they think is best for society. The left doesn’t want democracy. The left wants a dictatorship and power.

  8. The only thing this article means, is they are continuing the the same agenda.

    Shaping the narrative. It is a constant focus of all these stories. shaping and advancing the narrative. Feed talking points to the blog trolls and other leftist that have no abililty to think for themselves

    This article like most of them is narrative. That and validating the masses anger, and sense of urgency to address the crises of the day. (Leftist can not govern, they must hide their intentions behind some “emergency” that has to be addressed NOW>

    (that’s one of the signs of online hackers, urgency, Think about that when you hear that ________legislation must be passed by_______. )

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