Below is my column in the Hill on today’s final scheduled hearing of the J6 Committee. While the Committee can continue to schedule new hearings, the eighth hearing highlights the fact a compelling criminal case against President Donald Trump has still not been made. Despite the prior promises of the members, the hearings have largely amplified what was previously known rather than introduce new “smoking gun” evidence. Even in the absence of a single dissenting member, the Committee has not been able to make the long-promised criminal case.
Here is the column:
The eighth and final scheduled hearing of the House Jan. 6 select committee is scheduled for Thursday, and its members reportedly will present a time line of events on that day, particularly the 187 minutes between the end of then-President Trump’s speech on the Ellipse and his call for supporters to leave the Capitol.
It will again replay moments from the horrific to the heroic. What it has not shown thus far, however, is what was promised at the outset: a clear criminal case against Trump.
At the start of the hearings, committee members promised they had the long-sought smoking-gun evidence — new material that would close the circle on Trump. Committee member Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) indicated he thought there was now “credible evidence” to support a variety of criminal charges. His colleague, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), said the committee would show that Trump organized a “coup” on Jan. 6, 2021.
No sooner had the hearings begun when many in the media declared that the criminal case had been conclusively proven — even though most of what was being presented was already generally known.
It often sounded more like a prayer than proof.
Former Nixon counsel John Dean said an indictment would be forthcoming because “I don’t see how the line prosecutors at the Department of Justice can’t take a lot of this evidence and use it. … Trump is in trouble. Trump is in trouble.”
Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe said the question was only what would be charged first, since Trump’s felonies were shown “without any doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious.” That included an allegedly clear case of attempted murder of former Vice President Pence.
Yet, on the eve of the primetime hearing this week, committee members sound strikingly less prosecutorial. Rep. Elaine Luria (D-Va.) told CNN that “I look at it as a dereliction of duty. He didn’t act. He did not take action to stop the violence.”
It is difficult to make a criminal case over what an official failed to do. Yet the last hearing seemed to focus on a number of things that did not occur, from a draft tweet that was not sent to an executive order that was never signed. There were discussions of appointing Trump attorney Sidney Powell as a special counsel, seizing voting machines or replacing the Justice Department’s leadership. As unnerving as these proposals were, they also were not carried out.
It is the type of evidence used to show mens rea — “guilty mind.” However, crimes generally require both guilty minds and guilty acts. Building a criminal case on the failure to act to stop the violence is a notoriously difficult case to make. It has been raised in various contexts without success even when officials had direct law enforcement duties, as in Seattle with the CHOP zone in the summer of 2020. It is even more difficult when the House committee has blocked any serious investigation into the potentially contributing failure of Congress to take better precautions before the riot, another costly act of omission.
The committee has built a powerful case that no compelling evidence of widespread voter fraud existed in the 2020 presidential election, and that Trump knew (or should have known) he was asserting baseless allegations. White House strategy sessions became increasingly heated between Trump’s two teams of lawyers, including a breathtaking Dec. 18, 2020, meeting when two lawyers seemed close to a physical altercation. Clearly, Trump only heard what he wanted to hear — but that does not prove he knew the election was valid.
The committee has portrayed Trump’s reliance on a private legal team as knowingly dishonest by calling it “Team Crazy.” However, the committee also portrayed Trump as a raving egomaniac who could not accept that he lost the election to Joe Biden.
But, again, it is a difficult criminal case to make, based on a layperson believing one set of lawyers over another. Former prosecutor and former senator Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) said of the hearings that “as a former prosecutor myself, everything that I’ve heard, I think it would be a very tough indictment to get.”
It is not even clear, after seven hearings, what crime we are discussing.
The conspiracy to insurrection claim of the second Trump impeachment has turned into accusations of obstruction of Congress, seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to defraud, or the dereliction of duty suggested by committee members like Rep. Luria.
Attorney General Merrick Garland clearly is looking for evidence of criminal conduct and could seek an indictment. If based on the committee’s evidence, however, it is a criminal case that would be ripe for reversal even if a conviction could be secured from a favorable District of Columbia jury.
Looking objectively at the evidence, the committee never supplied “credible” proof of crimes. That is not to say the evidence is not shocking; indeed, it is like a series of “jump scares” involving Trump and others raising unfounded or unconstitutional courses of conduct.
However, the most damning evidence concerns what Trump failed to do in those 187 minutes.
Trump has stressed that he told his supporters to go to the Capitol “peacefully” to support Republicans challenging the election. At 1:11 p.m., Trump concluded his speech. Around 2:10 p.m., people surged up the Capitol steps. At 4:17 p.m., Trump made his statement to stop — roughly an hour and a half later.
Many have denounced that delay, and some of us were critical of Trump’s speech as he was giving it or soon after it ended. His was a failure of leadership — but that does not mean it was a violation of the criminal code.
It is the type of evidence that should have been gathered before the second impeachment, to make a case for conviction in the Senate. Instead, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and others opted for a “snap impeachment,” holding a single hearing. Today, they seem to be building the case I recommended in 2021 — just 19 months too late.
Trump still could face charges in Georgia over efforts to force a recount there and pressuring state officials to “find” the needed votes. However, the committee spent much of its time with Georgia witnesses in showing how they were hounded by Trump supporters and publicly mistreated by Trump. That again is outrageous and reckless, but not necessarily criminal. A Georgia case could also bog down on the question of Trump’s intent and knowledge in pushing election fraud claims.
The Jan. 6 committee has made a case against Trump personally and politically. It has not done so criminally. This final scheduled hearing would be an excellent time for that promised case to be finally made.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. Follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.
Here we are July 2022. Nearly two full years after the election. And Trump just called, Wisconsin State Assembly Speaker, Robin Vos begging him to somehow try to find a way to decertify the EC vote given to Biden. There is absolutely no mechanic in place for this to happen. Not even some clever rewording of some obscure law. Zip Zilch Nada. Trump is clearly not mentally well. He’s a loser. Who let a loser team of lawyers most of whom are now disbarred, or facing disbarment sell him a snake oil remedy to his election loss. These people took advantage of an elderly man who was clearly under mental and emotional distress, tried to use him to subvert the US Constitution for the good of their party over the will of the people. If the J6 committee should be looking at anyone. Its Powell, Guiliani, and Navarro, not Trump. Trump was just a pawn in all this. He’s innocent.
That anyone from the Left would try to make a claim that Trump “is clearly not mentally well” is laughable. What then would you say about Biden? Conjure up some really serious words there JCH, you’re gonna need them.
Both Trump and Biden are experiencing age-related mental decline. Trump is also mentally ill. He’s a malignant narcissist.
Narcissism, thy name be OBAMA.
Learn the differences among typical narcissism, Narcissistic Personality Disorder (many narcissists don’t have NPD), and malignant narcissism (a mix of NPD, antisocial behavior, aggression/sadism, and paranoia).
Almost all Presidents are narcissists, but aren’t malignant narcissists. Trump is a malignant narcissist.
No, he’s a narcissist. Obama is a malignant narcissist.
I suspect that Trump is correct about the voting shenanagans. However, his lack of discipline and preparation before the 2020 election is what cost him. He should have had people on the ground before the election working to prevent the stuff that happened. He also didn’t realize how deep the Swamp is. But if I were the Dems, I’d be really careful what I asked for — if Trump doesn’t run, DeSantis is the likely candidate to run against Joe, Kamala or someone even less qualified. DeSantis is politically smarter/more experienced, younger and more disciplined than Trump. He’s done a great job here in Florida (where we moved from the NYC area a year ago), and he fights back effectively when attacked.
Trump did a lot of terrific things despite being almost alone in D.C. But he’ll be 78, and I think Joe’s decline will scare a lot of Republicans into wanting a younger candidate.
He should have had people on the ground before the election working to prevent the stuff that happened.
Zuckerberg spent $500,000 at the local level to take over elections, No amount of planning could have countered what the Zuck Bucks bought
Iowan: need to add three more zeroes. He spent about 500 MILLION dollars, and nobody cared. His outfit was running some elections rather than the local clerk and recorder. Mollie Hemingway of The Federalist wrote a book about it.
Right you are. added zeros instead of M
No, you’ve got that reversed. Obama — like most Presidents — is a narcissist. But Trump is a malignant narcissist, which combines characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder (APD), aggression / sadism, and paranoia. For example, sadism is clearly expressed in Trump but not in Obama.
Don Smythe: Home run! You nailed it all! Bravo. It is so satisfying when somebody speaks and writes exactly how I am feeling.
Trump is mentally ill, but he is not a pawn. He’s a malignant narcissist and knowingly, actively participated and is still trying to contact potential witnesses about their testimony.
The DOJ is already looking at Powell, Giuliani, and Navarro, along with others: https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/07/16/what-doj-was-doing-while-everyone-was-whinging-doj-wasnt-doing-anything/
The DOJ is a Marxist Pawn at this point. One only look to the scam trials of Jan 6ers, the Trump witch hunt and ignoring prosecution of death threats and picketing of the Supremes for truth of my statement. All else is political rhetoric. Go to the Capitol, let your voices be heard……PEACEFULLY and respectfully! Case closed.
You need to just open your eyes and see TRUTH
DeSantis is the one Democrats should about.
NO ONE cares about J6.
INFLATION, INFLATION, INFLATION!
It’s the economy Stupid!
The GOP has three months until the November election ( in truth, with early voting now so prevalent, more like 2 months at a maximum) to get their most effective advertising put together and begun. Were I in charge of the national GOP ad campaign, it would be ruled by one major paradigm — Keep It Simple Stupid (the KISS method)…..
want 8 dollar gasoline – vote Democrat
want 8% inflation – vote Democrat
want to lose your job or have you pay or your hours reduced – vote Democrat
want a nuclear war – vote Democrat
want more DAs who coddle criminals – vote Democrat
want no control over your children’s education – vote Democrat
want more illegal aliens in your neighborhood using the public services you paid for – vote Democrat
want fewer and even no police department in your town or city – vote Democrat
and so forth and so on — KISS —
JT has provided two cases today that are a damning reflection on the state of our justice system and politics. The Hunter Biden case is everything the Trump case is not. And it’s not even close.
“The Jan. 6 committee has made a case against Trump personally and politically.”
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A case made by criminals, scalawags, perjurers and their flunkies has all the validity and public legitimacy of the famous one made by Pontius Pilate. Anxiously awaiting Schiff to wash his hands on the West Front elevation of the Capitol all the while proclaiming Trump’s guilt.
You haven’t quoted any perjury.
“You haven’t quoted any perjury.”
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Only ’cause the Kangaroo Committee didn’t ask Pal Cipollone about the exact stupidity rushing out of Cassady’s mouth that she claimed she overheard. Doesn’t mean she’s not a liar; it means the Kangaroos didn’t care to know.
a) Neither of us knows everything that Cipollone was asked.
b) If Cipollone believed that Hutchinson had lied, he easily could have volunteered that without being asked, just like he said during the questioning “Can I say a word about the Vice President?” without being asked (and the Chair responded “Please [do],” and Cipollone then said what he wanted to add but hadn’t been asked about). Only an idiot would think that he believed Hutchinson had lied and kept it to himself when he easily could have said.
Anomaly,
“a) Neither of us knows everything that Cipollone was asked.”
Did you ever stop to consider that perhaps this is the problem with the J6 committee!?!
We don’t know the complete testimony for Cipollone or, for that matter, the complete testimony of **any** of witnesses that have testified before the committee. This is because the witness testimonies are sealed and the witnesses are under gag orders not to speak about their testimony.
All that is known is the select ‘tidbits’ of testimony released by the committee. This is done either through snippets of video testimony offered without context or through highly scripted in-person testimony.
Back to the topic at hand, the committee recalled Cipollone to, among other things, clarify Hutchinson’s testimony. What do we have to show for this effort?
The committee released the statement that Cipollone’s testimony “did not contradict” Hutchinson’s testimony…yeah, that is it. I guarantee you that had Cipollone testified that Trump tried to commandeer the Presidential vehicle that this would have been plastered all over the news in video and in transcripts.
Instead we have the statement “did not contradict”. Only an idiot would believe what is coming out of the J6 committee.
Did not contradict could also be seen as a soft. “I dont wanna say anything that might piss off Trumps base. Who have demonstrated a clear pattern of harassment and making terroristic threats. So I’m just gonna be as non committal as possible without potentially perjuring myself.” There. I cleaned it up for you.
Ray tells the Truth and Anonymous the Stupid spews lies continuously.
Thank you, Ray for putting ATS in his place.
J6 panel shuns live testimony from Trump associates, prefers to slice and dice taped depositions
” This is not an investigation, this is propaganda for political theatre.”
“Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson, wouldn’t accept Kerik’s offer to testify publicly and had refused to make the transcript of his interview public”
“The committee clearly prefers taped depositions because they can edit them and remove sections that don’t match the fake narrative,”
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/jan-6-committee-relying-clips-videotaped-depositions-rather-live-public?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
JT, the largest affront to the Constitutional transfer of Presidential power involved some obvious lawbreaking.
The case to be made is conspiring to impede an official act of Congress. Not via the mob. Via pressuring the Vice President to abuse and exceed the limits of his Constitutional powers in order to stop the certification of the EC votes.
The evidence is overwhelming of a plot and concrete steps taken to advance the plot.
If you are numb to evidence dropped right front of your nose, here is Trump’s public admission of intent to impede the EC Count, voiced to the Ellipse “Stop the Steal” Rally:
“And Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He’s got guts. He fights, he fights.
“And I’ll tell you. Thank you very much, John. Fantastic job. I watched. That’s a tough act to follow, those two. John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, “What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution.”
“And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.
“Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.
“States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”
The plot, it’s intent (a 2nd term for Trump), and the means (impeding the EC Count Certification at the Joint Session of Congress), and the main plotters are all laid out in the ringleader’s speech.
All you need in a trial is to call Mike Pence to the witness stand. And play the video of the Stop the Steal speech with the above sentences.
By the way, Jonathan, in the mantra “Stop the Steal”, what does the word “stop” mean?….impede. Wake up. The crime doesn’t involve the mob as an element — only the Vice President. And he will make a solid, credible witness. Not that you need one, since the perpetrator lays out the plot in a very public speech.
They don’t care about any of that. Trump is their lord and everything else be damned.
The Trumpists are a cult.
“The evidence is overwhelming of a plot “
Jan 6 shows the opposite.
There is no case to be made.
There is no actual crime.
The fact that you and the left are terrified that Trump might have succeeded – even though that was unlikely
Does not make what he sought a crime.
It is fully within the constitution and the law.
The country should not have to deal with this bat$hit made up nonsense by the left.
I would further note that pushing this Crime nonsense HARMS YOU.
The election was conducted lawlessly – actual election laws were really violated.
The constutions of 38 states were violated.
That is actual lawlessness – and it was committed by Governors – mostly but not completely democrats.
It was committed by State Secretaries of State, I was committed by State election commissions.
And it was allowed – before and after the election by the courts.
This was REAL lawlessness.
Not made up idiocy that Trump might have asked Pence to do something you do not like.
All thjat what you quote proves is that Trump along with now 52% of the country according to some polls beleives the election was rife with Fraud.
You do not seem to get – Trump is legally alllowed to beleive that. He is probably even correct.
Just as Hillary was legally allowed to beleive to claim the Russian’s stole the 2016 eleciton – even though SHE KNEW that was a HOAX that her operatives made up.
There is no claim to criminality that you can make regarding Trump that does not make the actions of Clinton and Democrats an even bigger crime.
Regardless, you are stupidly trying to criminalize politics.
That will NOT end well for THE LEFT.
Nor unless you are an idiot do you want this fake trial of yours.
In an actual trial the defendant gets to present a defence.
They get supeona power, they get to call witnesses.
The most trial defense is that the Election was fraudulent.
Right now the 2020 Ballot harvesting investigation is being stalled. DA’s will not open investigations because of disbarement threats.
And Those Rino’s that are doing something – are mostly trying to sooth the trump Base and bury the investigation.
The stupidest thing you could d is give Trump and his attorney’s Subpeona power.
The first thing they would demand AND GET is the names of every single “mule” that TTV identified.
Then they would get the financial records from every single 501C3 that the “mules” visited.
Do you really think that with 2000-8000 “mules” that plenty of them will not spill the beans ?
All you need is a few saying “I was paid to drop ballots off at Dropboxes” – and the financial records that prove it – and the Democratic party is in Deep $hit.
At the opposite end all the financial and other records of every single 501C3 involved in this ballot harvesting operation become public.
I would note that as DEMOCRATS have ranted repeatedly – 501C3’s can not engage in any partisan election conduct.
Further Ballot harvesting is a crime in all states except CA. There is not a single contested state that permits non-relatives, without a power of attorney, and often only state election officials to handle ballots.
There is no state in which people associated with a 501C3 can EVER have ballots in their possession that it would not be a CRIME.
But that is OK – be an idiot and go forward with this stupidity.
I find it incredibly stupid that democrats and the are so desparate to “Get Trump”.
Barring a miracle – you will lose the house, the senate and the presidency all by 2024.
Biden has wrecked an economy that everyone expected to Boom and that he PROMISED would Boom. ‘
His presidency has been a disaster.
In now appears that Republicans have 50% of the hispanic vote – The author of the book claiming that hispanics would give Democrats a permanent political majority is now working for the Conservative Group AEI.
The democratic party itself in in danger of self destructing – The intercept did an excellent peice on the internal bitter battles that this intersectional nonsense has caused within The bastions of progressivism.
The left is eating itself. The recently made public idiocy at WaPo is the tip of the iceberg.
When everyone is racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic – that includes everyone that is part of every progressive institution in the country.
You are destroying yourselves.
The only question for 2024 is whether Trump or Desantis will be president.
There are no other consequential republican contenders.
There are no democratic contenders at all.
Most of the country DOES NOT LIKE YOU.
They Certainly do not TRUST you.
Republicans did not do that to you.
You did it to yourselves.
The collusion delusion is YOUR creation – and most people know it is not just a LIE, it was a HOAX
The claims that exposing the Corruption in the Biden Family was Russian disinformation – Another Lie.
The Biden misconduct was first made public by an NYT reporter in 2015 who was in Clinton’s pocket to knock Biden out of the primary.
While most of us grasp that Biden is president, The same people are deeply suspicious – with good cause of the 2020 election – Because the left LIES about everything – and on getting caught just tells bigger lies.
We were LIED to that Biden was competent.
He is a doddering old fool – Even those close to him apparently confided that to others.
He has always been a fool.
But but Hook or Crook you LIED to everyone and got him elected.
The left has lied about so many things – why should anyone beleive anything they say ? About Trump ? About the election ?
About Covid ? About the economy ? About pretty much ANYTHING.
“You can not fool all the people all the time”
Lincoln.
Even if people were blind to the actual fraud and lawlessness in the 2020 election. They are not blind to all the other LIES you told to get Biden elected. Nor are they blind to the fact that YOU/Biden/Democrats have FAILED.
For the 1st time in 50 years people once again live in fear of nuclear holocaust.
That is YOUR fault.
It does not matter if you are on the left or the right – or anywhere else Biden is a disaster. The worst president since Buchannon.
Nor is this about Biden.
The entire country knows that it took the full resources of the entire democratic party, every leftist activist in the country to get him elected – and an awful lot of lawlessness and fraud.
You are ALL complicit.
Democrats left and right are fleeing Biden smelling the blood in the water. But there is no where to run.
Biden is a doddering old fool. Most everyone knows He is not really president.
The mess is YOUR Mess.
He is just the puppet in the whitehouse doing your bidding.
And you think i is of crititical importance to assure that DeSantis, not Trump is president in 2024 ?
At the core of your thesis is that false claim that “Stopping” – thwarting, taking every constitutional and legal action possible to overturn an election is a crime.
It is not.
Are you sufficiently unself-aware to grasp that Hillary is not in jail and was never prosecuted for trying to overturn the 2016 election – even after it was long over and Trump was inaugurated ?
Are you sufficiently unself-aware that you are trying to make it a crime to claim election fraud – when there is fraud ? That you are claiming that it is a crime to use every legal and constitutional means available to you to challenge an election ?
If there was absolutely no fraud in 2020 – you are still doing everything in your power to assure there is in the future.
Right when it looks like Jonathan Turkey is on track he has a grand mal seizure. What exactly is the evidence he claims proves there was no wide spread fraud during the 2020 election. When I was raised the rules were such that if the police had a warrant to search your house for evidence of a crime and you refused and even destroyed evidence. That was compelling evidence in criminal court and a flat out admission of guilt in civil court. This has happened with both Clintons, the first was funny as Clinton’s lawyer tried to eat evidence. It happened again in Gen Flynn’s case. The Muller team destroyed cell phone data. The IRS destroyed data under Obama,the FBI just did it again. And I’ve only been casually keeping track, there are probably another 20 or more. Oh an least we forget Dr Mengale allowed the genetic data on the Communist China Wuhan Virus to be erased as well as the medical data from the military Olympics personnel from Oct 2019.
Where is the evidence? All 50 Secretaries of State certified their votes, and 26 of them were Republicans. There were dozens of audits, recounts, forensic audits, all of which turned up nothting. There were over 60 lawsuits, dismissed for lack of evidence. Giuliani had his law license suspended because an investigation proved he just made up lies about nonexistent fraud. There is a white paper produced by a group of CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS who investigated, independently, each of Trump’s claims of fraud, and found they are bogus. Look it up: “Lost Not Stolen”.
Where is the proof that there WAS widespread voter fraud? There is none. All you have is the word of a pathological liar with a massive ego who was hungry for power. Trump was predicted by every single poll to lose in 2020, and he DID lose. He KNOWS he lost. The DOJ investigated, and according to Bill Barr, found NO evidence of widespread voter fraud. Trump began lying about his vainglorious “landslide victory” being “stolen” before election day because all polls showed that Americans were sick of him.
Aircraft carriers full of evidence. Stolen! 2000 Mules! Recent Decertifications, AG’s stopping drop boxes. Will go down in history as the beginning of the end for our Representative Republic! And you know what? You will have been a contributor!
Even DSouza doesn’t claim that 2000 Mules proves anything.
Not True. He believes 2000 Mules and the conclusion is correct but requires investigation for acceptable proof even though a good part was already correctly performed.
Like the winter of our discontent, the J6 committee came in like a lion and will go out like a lamb. Biden’s sudden Covid infection will keep him back in his Delaware basement for a week or so while he can ignore media pressure to discuss Hunter’s pening charges to be leveled likely tomorrow evening after the A-team press are enjoying happy hour somewhere. Trump, a non-politician, made some mistakes but his heart was always in the right place. Americans are very forgiving if they see you as patriotic, honest, and loyal. They forgave Bill Clinton whose actions were far worse than anything that Trump was ever accused of doing in office. What Ameicans do not forgive is dishonesty, the hallmark of the current POTUS and his family members.
Trump attempted an autogolpe. That’s far worse than anything Clinton did.
Trump is the most dishonest President ever: https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/index.html
At 2:10 p.m. the doors and windows were breached. At 2:38 p.m. Trump urges people to “support our Capitol police and law enforcement,” and tweets that “they are truly on the side of our country. Stay peaceful!”
“The Jan. 6 committee has made a case against Trump personally and politically.”
What milquetoast JT doesn’t apprehend, is that it is the very speech & agressive advocacy that Trump pursued that endears him to his supporters.
This is not a bug, it’s a feature.
It’s amazing that Trump has a 40% approval rating after 2 failed impeachment attempts and this farcical dog and pony show. They dims really and Truely fear this man.
Trump just tied to destroy our democracy by engaging in an attempted coup. Nothing to see here.
Our country will fall and it will the Republicans cheering the demise.
TDS Obliviousness.
Sammy,
You are correct but not quite the way you think you are.
The country is falling. But it is not the Republicans that are cheering on the demise.
It is the Democrats.
All those supposed “norms” that were supposed to be re-instituted with the Biden WH, the adults back in the room. Where are they?
MSM has give up its journalistic “norms” of objective journalism for activist journalism and are now the defunct voice of the DNC.
Public education “norms” have been given up for all new, progressive “norms,” sexualizing children as young as 6 years old. Another progressive “norms” is teaching children they are oppressed or oppressors based off their skin color. And that creates a new “norms” of hate and division. Then there is the progressive “norms” of not having to show your work. Or even be proficient at reading, writing, or math to graduate high school. New progressive “norms” of separate graduations based off . . . well, I saw the other day of 4 different graduations.
There is a reason why long time Dem parents are voting GOP. They want a say in their children’s education. They are voting against progressive “norms.”
The “norms” of debate, open, civil discussion on college campuses has been replaced with progressive “norms” of heckling veto, silence is violence, intolerance of any other point of view than the progressive one. Declaring someone or group is a threat to a person based on their religious belief. Professors being punished for even asking for a debate of a given topic. Others being forced out or quitting due to a hostile environment.
The progressive “norms” of higher gas prices is a good thing to promote the green energy policy, as it crushes not only on the lower economic class, but is hurting the middle class (recent poll show those in the middle class are falling behind in the in the inflation driven cost of living increases).
Yes. This country is falling on a grand scale.
Just not the way you think it is.
Enjoy the downfall Sammy. YOU voted for it.
Trump agreed to legally binding employment contract called the constitutional “Oath of Office” – one cannot hold governing authority in the United States without agreeing to this legal contract. Trump promised to defend against not only foreign enemies to the U.S. Constitution but to defend against “domestic enemies” to the U.S. Constitution.
More than 60 federal judges (including Trump appointed judges) ruled that Biden was the legitimate winner of the election. Even with this knowledge, Trump continued to subvert the constitutional rule of law.
With this knowledge, knowing he lost, he then tried to coerce a Republican election official to “find” votes with no evidence of voter fraud. This is worst than law breaking, Trump’s loyalty oath is to defend the U.S. Constitution. Does anyone think Trump was loyal to the United States?
Why, yes. About half the country believes that. Your opinion is your opinion – challenging an election is not subversion. After all, Hillary Clinton (with no evidence of anything) continues to do so.
AZ: What you have said is laughable.
You must be talking about the decisions of judges during a critical time period but like CK07 you have been fed the wrong arguments. Based on decisions decided on the merits
Election Integrity Cases with Trump as Plaintiff: Trump prevailed in 4 out of 8 cases decided on the merits
Election Integrity Cases with GOP, et al as Plaintiffs: GOP Plaintiff prevailed in 11 out of 13 cases decided on the merits
Filings with Trump, et. al. as Defendant: GOP Defendant prevailed in 3 out of 4 cases decided on the merits
“At the start of the hearings, committee members promised they had the long-sought smoking-gun evidence”
Democrats regularly claim that they have evidence, but like Joe McCarthy they dont share that evidence with anyone else
Trump committed no crime. That’s why there is no case.
There is no evidence whatsoever that he conspired with the Oath Keepers or Proud Boys to invade the Capitol. He tried but failed to persuade Pence to send the elector certifications back to the states. He did not try to use the military to stop the proceedings. The words he used in his speech on Jan 6 and in prior tweets were not criminal incitement. He exhibited poor judgement for sure, but that is not a crime.
The Committee is politics and nothing more.
Life is not the movies. A coup is *any* attempted take over of government. Saying it’s not a coup just because gunships were not flying in the air. Tanks not rolling down the streets. Soldiers kicking in doors. That’s a Hollywood coup. An attempt to subvert the will of the people by manufacturing false doubt of the electoral count in order to depend on your political buddies to certify the count the way you want it to go is just as much a take over of government.
Based on your interpretation of a coup, then the Russia collusion Hoax would be an attempted coup, set up by HRC over 2016-2017. You know “what’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander”. Maybe Trump was reacting on his experience with the Democratic Party and the Justice Dept trying to stage their coup in 2016-2017. If you are innocent of a crime and know you are innocent of the crime but an organized group still tries to pin that crime on you and stage a coup, would you not suppose that in the next election that group would try to stage the same thing but from a different angle. I don’t support anything Trump did after the 2020 election but I can see how he would interpret the voting in several key sates as significant proof that the same people were after him that were trying to remove him in 2016-2017 and then staged another attempt with the first impeachment. Even a very rational person living outside DC would wonder greatly. And then you have a media that consistently lied about “evidence” of collusion even after the Muller team published it’s report. It’s like Muller’s report never occurred. It would be enough to drive a sane man paranoid. And there are very few people in D.C. that I would clinically diagnose as sane.
Exactly GEB!! Obama spied, Hillary paid for it all, and all of the Intel agencies and our military were involved with the fake Russian Collusion hoax. ALL of them. THAT is a coup attempt. They are pissed that it didn’t work, and American citizens are smarter than they are.
“The Committee is politics and nothing more.”
I want the committee to address the assets available on J6 “Those assets, according to Arkin, included “commandos” with shoot-to-kill authority. And among them were members of the military. ”
https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/14/what-is-adam-schiff-hiding/
Exclusive: Secret Commandos with Shoot-to-Kill Authority Were at the Capitol
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-secret-commandos-shoot-kill-authority-were-capitol-1661330
Capitol police killed 4 protestors. Two were murdered. Ashli Babbitt seems to easily fit into the “shoot to kill” directive.
There is no criminal case to be made against Trump. Period. Why waste time on this kangaroo court? You are better than this. I think.
This may be a huge First Amendment case that affects Americans for decades. The First Amendment was designed as a legal “restraint” against unconstitutional government practices. Essentially to protect citizens against Executive Branch officials.
In this scenario, Trump is the head of the federal Executive Branch and Commander-In-Chief – the precise official to be “restrained” by the First Amendment protecting citizen speech.
Trump supporters seem to have it exactly backwards. They view the First Amendment as protecting the government (Commander In Chief) from the same government.
Really think about this, the Commander In Chief urging citizens to subvert the U.S. Constitution. Trump urging the military and Secret Service to subvert their own constitutional Oath of Office. Does the First Amendment protect the head of the Executive Branch from itself? This constitutional argument should be removed from the equation.
It seems to me that they ought to focus on the “impeachment” and the Jan 6 committee which are preventing the former president from having a true defense. In both cases, Pelosi et al abrograted their responsibility to a fair hearing, insuring that Trump would be convicted without an opportunity to defend his actions. The presentation of choreographed evidence in these televised “made for TV” hearings is obscene.
You have accusations. No evidence. Like the media, you just argue from a conclusion, that is not supported
So, Trump could be indicted in Georgia for asking “find the votes”. In Washington State we had a election for governor 20 years or so ago in which the Democrat (really) said during the second recount, in which she was still losing, “we have to keep counting until we find the votes”! They did keep counting and they did “find the votes” even though some of the boxes of votes were “inadvertently found in the trunk of a car”, no chain of custody, but they were enough to put Christine Gregoire in the Democrat Governor’s Chair over Dino Rossi. The King County elections official left after that incident and became the head of elections for Los Angeles where he never “lost” an election, what a sterling record! Swamp Rats, all!
Anyone listening to what Trump said would understand that he believed there were illegal votes and he wanted Raffensberger to uncover them.
His case in Georgia that was the subject of the call alleged illegal votes well in excess of the margin of Biden’s victory. Under Georgia law, if illegal votes exceed the margin the election must be re-run. There is no need to show fraud.
It has since been shown that Trump was right. The number of illegal votes by voters who moved counties more than 30 days before the election but voted in the counties they moved from exceeded the margin. These and other illegal votes are what Trump wanted found.
Exactly. The great service all this hoopla has done the country is focus Republican efforts like a laser on election integrity.
Kangaroo Court Show Trial. WHEN do Obama and Hillary go on trial for the FAKE Russian Collusion that Hillary paid for and Obama spied on Trump for?? THEY did more to screw America than anybody else.
Hey John….explain the various endless ILLEGAL attacks on Trump
First the Russian Hoax…which was a Conspiracy. ANYONE GO TO JAIL?
USA Rule of Law is DEAD
“ANYONE GO TO JAIL?”
Forgotten Paul Manafort have you?
Why didn’t Tony Podesta go with him?? He was doing the same exact thing…but he got immunity if he would testify against Manafort. Good to be in bed with the Clintons!!!
What law did Manafort get convicted for violating?
iowan2:
Oh, oh! I Know! I know! See above.
Or below – as in infra. LOL
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47491688
“ANYONE GO TO JAIL?”
Forgotten Paul Manafort have you?
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“for bank and tax fraud connected to his political consulting work in Ukraine. … All of the charges were unrelated to Manafort’s work for the Trump campaign. (Manafort resigned as the campaign’s chairman three months before the 2016 election after coming under fire for his lobbying and political consulting work).” ~NPR, 3/7/2019
Apparently, you have forgotten everything but his name and the conviction. In reality, Manafort was indicted and convicted for crimes occuring 10 years before he met Trump and for which DOJ declined to prosecute. Good example.
Paul Manafort went to jail as a result of the Russia investigation in question. I just answered the question asked. “ANYONE GO TO JAIL?”
How many hundreds of people have gone to jail over January 6th. In a couple years you’ll have forgotten them too,
enigma:
“Paul Manafort went to jail as a result of the Russia investigation in question. I just answered the question asked. “ANYONE GO TO JAIL?”
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That’s the legal equivalent of a murder investigator citing a witness for jaywalking while he’s leaving the scene. Yeah it happened during the murder investigation but one had nothing to with the other. Of the Russia Hoax and conspiracy thereto which was the exact basis for guy’s question which was “First the Russian Hoax…which was a Conspiracy. ANYONE GO TO JAIL?” You really should work on those dodgeball moves.
If you were just answering the question in a vacum — as you claim — maybe you shoulda mentioned John Gotti or Guy Fawkes. So just who did go to jail for the Russia Hoax and conspiracy?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/dec/05/robert-mueller-who-charged-list-trump-russia-inquiry-latest-indictments-flynn-manafort-cohen-what-happens-next
Manafort was jailed as a consequence of an unconstitutional investigation.
After What Durham has released – pretty much everyone would have won on appeal.
There was no legitimate investigation ever – and the FBI and DOJ KNEW they were pushing a fraud from the start.
That was litterally Sussman’s winning defense.
Roger Stone didn’t go to jail, only because he was pardoned. He won’t be so lucky this go round. Here’s a more complete list.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/dec/05/robert-mueller-who-charged-list-trump-russia-inquiry-latest-indictments-flynn-manafort-cohen-what-happens-next
All you do is prove the point.
There are two justice systems – one for republicans – where they can be convict by biased DC judges and juries without an actual crime,
And that for Democrats where no amount of evidence is sufficient to convict.
Aside from a Tax scam – which he will likely slide on – there is no investigation of the very real misconduct of the Biden’s that dwarfs anything you think Manafort did.
There is very little real investigation of election fraud – despite far more than enough REAL evidence of large scale election fraud in 2020.
Yet, DOJ is investigating parents as domestic terrorists for questioning schoolboard members for indoctrinating their children against their will.
We have this farce of a J6 committee – to try to force DOJ’s hand, because only Republicans are forbidden from investigating political opponents.
There have been so many LIES by the left, that no one beleives you.
Several Trump associates went to jail (Manafort, Stone, Cohen, and Flynn was on his way), and then Trump pardoned them.
No person convicted from the Russia hoax. Proccess crimes but nothing to do with Mueller investigation. Banon may spend time in jail, but not for anything connected to Jan 6
You do a splendid job of demonstrating why people do not trust government.
Democrats engage in far more egregious conduct than Republicans – and democrats get off, and Republicans get convicted of non-crimes.
Does anyone here want to Bet that Hunter Biden gets off ?
Hunter makes Manafort look like a Saint. Yet even if DOJ prosecutes – there is no chance a DC jury will convict.
Democrats using Stalin methods. The Rule of Law is dead in America. DOJ and FBI are 100% Corrupt
The only reason Democrats haven’t gone Full Red Guard the ATF recently stated 700 million guns in circulation in the hands of private citizens.
The reason for the 2nd Amendment!