The Three Rs: Reading, Writing, and Reparations?

The 1619 Project Education Network, in conjunction with the Pulitzer Center, have released a new curriculum for high school students that will convert some math classes into a discussion of reparations and racial justice.  Students will be asked to work out the math on the payment for past years of slavery and racial discrimination. A 2020 report found that prior 1619 Project curriculum proposals have been adopted in over 3,500 classrooms across all 50 states.The program, “Reparations Math and Reparations History,” is designed to have “students apply math skills, research into historical wealth gaps in the U.S., and an analysis of different reparations models to an investigation into whether or not reparations should be paid to the descendents of enslaved people in the U.S..”The 1619 Project has long been controversial due to questions over its historical accuracy, including opposition by some history teachers. The project is most associated with former New York Times writer and now Howard University Professor Nikole Hannah-Smith.  Hannah-Smith has declared that “all journalism is activism.”

As previously discussed, the objections to the 1619 Project concerned some of its sweeping historical claims over slavery being a motivation for the American Revolution and labeling figures like Abraham Lincoln as racists.

According to The Atlantic, Princeton historian Sean Wilentz criticized that work and some of Hannah-Jones’s other work in a letter signed by scholars James McPherson, Gordon Wood, Victoria Bynum, and James Oakes. They raised “matters of verifiable fact” that “cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing.’” They objected that the work represented “a displacement of historical understanding by ideology.” The Atlantic noted that “given the stature of the historians involved, the letter is a serious challenge to the credibility of the 1619 Project, which has drawn its share not just of admirers but also critics.” Researchers claimed the New York Times ignored them in raising the errors. The New York Times was criticized later for a “clarification” that undermined a main premise of her writing. None of that appeared to concern the Pulitzer Committee.

Under the new program, students would have to do the reparations math over the course of three to four school weeks. Teachers would prompt students to “evaluate whether they think reparations should be paid to descendents of enslaved people.”

This is not the first effort to redesign math curriculum with antiracist themes. Academics at schools like Vanderbilt have denounced math as “racist.”  We previously discussed the view of University of Rhode Island professor (and Director of Graduate Studies of History) Erik Loomis that “Science, statistics, and technology are all inherently racist.” Others have agreed with that view, including denouncing math as racist or a “tool of whiteness.” There are also calls for the “decolonization” of math as a field.

Others have called for “decolonizing” math and, at schools like Bates College, professors proposed redesigning math courses to focus on the concepts of “colonialism and privilege.”

The introduction of a reparations-focused math curriculum comes at a time when many are pushing for payments of as much as $5 million per eligible resident in states like California.

This month, a Biden appointee and law professor called upon the United Nations to act to secure reparations for black Americans and to end “the continuation of slavery” through mass incarceration in the United States. Howard Law Professor Justin Hansford is the only American representative on the United Nations Permanent Forum on People of African Descent.

Recently, Democrats introduced a bill demanding $14 trillion in reparations.

As task forces in states like California have issued recommendations for payments, the demands are presenting a challenge for Democratic politicians who have long campaigned on such payments as a moral imperative. That bill has now come due but politicians like California Gov. Gavin Newsom have sought to pivot away from demands from his own Reparations Task Force for massive payments.

Trust in our public schools has fallen to record lows with a major exodus out of public education. This is due in part to the view that teachers and administrators now put political and social agendas ahead of traditional educational priorities — even as scores continue to fall in many districts.  With some declaring that teaching is “a political act,” parents are increasingly taking their kids to schools with a focus on core subjects and skills.

The Pulitzer/1619 proposals may soon bring the issue to classrooms across the country.

The curriculum asks “should  reparations  be paid for the United  States’ use  of enslaved labor?”  However, the guidelines declare that students would be assessed based on their presentations that seem to assume that reparations should be made:

“A project-based learning rubric will be used to evaluate final presentations created by  students to share their research into the lasting impacts of slavery on the wealth gap for African Americans, and their cases for reparations to descendents of enslaved Africans and African Americans. Their presentations should also share what math function the U.S. should use to determine and provide monetary preparations.”

That “assessment” will likely strike many parents as suggesting more indoctrination than education on the issue.

What is interesting is that Pulitzer/1619 Project designers cite a proposed bill as the basis for the new curriculum. H.R. 40 is the proposal of Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D., Tx).

The bill has failed to pass in Congress, but would be the basis for the new curriculum. Lee recently said “H.R. 40 is 38 years on the books waiting for someone to say yes.” She is now calling on President Biden to use executive authority to unilaterally order the creation of the commission.

188 thoughts on “The Three Rs: Reading, Writing, and Reparations?”

  1. The big guy has the perfect answer to russian gas. Just ban gas appliances. No sroves for cooking, no furnaxes for heat and I suppose no gas fired hot water heaters. We”ll fix those rooskies.

    1. the perfect answer to russian gas. Just ban gas appliances.
      The reality is all new power plants and renovated power plants shifted from coal to NG. That’s what happened here locally, NG powered electricity took over from Coal, backstopped by grade 3 an 4 fuel oil. So on this grid, Electric stoves, and furnaces are in fact Natural Gas. Problem 2, the increased usage of electricty requires a huge increase of grid capacity, that has not yet started.

  2. ‘professors proposed redesigning math courses to focus on the concepts of “colonialism and privilege”‘

    I remember a Math Dept head telling me that the required College Algebra course he was teaching was about the only truly demanding, rigorous course for the students there and that accordingly he thought it was rightly a requirement for the undergrad degree, although it tended to give some black students difficulty passing. So it occurred to me that this political “redesigning” of a Math course could be a scam way to have more black students pass a required Math course in universities that otherwise, because of its demanding discipline & rigor, would be a tough obstacle to graduating. Unfortunately, such “redesigned” Math courses are not really Math courses and not much Math is learned, but it’s still called & counts as a Math course.

    1. If this woke BS continues does it mean that if you want an honestly true education with no indoctrination you’ll have to go to a university outside the USA?

  3. This focus on reparations is masking the discussion that we should really have. Consider in 2018 a comparison between 4.8 Million Black immigrants vs US origin blacks: Migrant incomes 31% higher, 37% more likely to have college degree, and 39% more likely to be married, Now if there was such oppressive systemic racism in this country, one would not expect much in the way of such differences. Why are there? If must be something else and we would all be better off if that were our focus.

    For a bit of international perspective, consider a different natural experiment: based 2019 data: Brazil had a majority of Black or mulatto citizens; for the US Black American account for about 13.4% of the population.
    2018: Black Brazil had on average 29% earning of whites whereas in the US: Black Americans had – on average – 78% earnings of whites. Brazil has had no Black cabinet ministers while the US has had many prominent Black politicians and officials including President. While the US is far from perfect, we are arguably better than some comparable countries in the arena of equal opportunity.

    Another bit of international perspective related to reparations is comparing Black American income vs Black African income. In 2018 the US per capita Black American income was over $23,000. Compare this to the World Bank’s data on Saharan Africa’s per capita income of $1,633. So if one follows the “but for” the slave trade logic, then the average descendant of African slaves, that came to what would become the US or eventually the US, is has an income ten times better greater than the descendant of the Africans who stayed behind. This is not to say directly or implicitly that slavery is good but that results of historical events can be surprising. Perhaps when Black Americans are asking the UN for reparations, the UN will turn around and ask Black Americans for a sizeable contribution to share based on their good fortune to be citizens of the US with the descendants of those who remained in Africa.

    Finally consider also that the mere existence of practically all Black Americans – including Dr. Martin Luther King Jr is completely dependent on the fact of slavery in the US. So without slavery, the American experiment would not have the benefit of the Gettysburg Address, the 14th amendment, nor the 1964 Civil Rights act stimulated by the inspiring King. Also we would not have Jazz (I leave rap off the positives but am open for a debate). Again, not to suggest that slavery is good but that the results of historical events can be surprising in positive ways.

    So one should be careful about any numerical accounting of slavery – it cuts in multiple directions.

    1. Good morning Arnold . . .excellent, cogent, well developed arguments. For other supportive information, I recently finished Thomas Sowell’s, “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” and Jason Riley’s “Please Stop Helping Us.” I recommend both.

  4. Why is NATO letting Russia have its way with Ukraine? This needs to stop. The sooner it stops, the easier it will be to rebuild Ukraine, but NATO is making it harder to rebuild Ukraine by not stopping Putin’s destruction of it. This is like a cop watching a rapist have his way with a woman without rushing in to stop the rape. How much more will NATO let Putin get away with? This needs to stop.

    1. Anonymous, I think the object in Ucraine is to keep Pitin busy there as long as possible. The only 2 people who are running for president who actually have said that they want to stop the fighting are Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Donald Trump.

      1. If we can expose Putin’s military as being a paper tiger, while its ranks are decimated and put Putin himself in jeopardy of being overthrown without losing a single drop of American blood . . . why wouldn’t we do that?

    2. Fact is the Ukraine military is not up to the task of this fight. They only way to defeat Russia is NATO and US troops on the ground, on the front lines.
      That would be called WWIII with a possible nuclear exchange.
      If you want it stopped, you, your kids and your grandkids should be down at the recruiting center, enlisting in a combat MOS and demanding WWIII.

      How this needs to stop is to force Zenlensky and Putin to the peace table, sign a truce and end the fighting. Both sides have to give up something. Neither side gets what it wants.

  5. People who are wrong about everything should not be allowed to have any power or influence. There should be a test like a GED test that people must pass before they are allowed to vote. It will prove whether they are right more than they are wrong. If they fail the test, then these wrong people don’t get any influence in society at all, and the right people don’t have to suffer at their hands.

  6. Being curious: I wondered what was the going rate for a Slave in New Orleans 1860? Found clipping and other information that averaged to +/- $2,000. The 1860’s $2,000 Dollars would now be worth something like +/- $73,100 averaging out the inflation rate of +/- 2.23% over the course of 1860 to 2023. There are +/- 36.2 Black Americans, if each were to get the conversion dollars, the cost would approximate $2.5 Trillion. Proving ancestral linage will most likely reduce the amount.

    The US Civil war financial cost was +/- $5 Billion. I’ll let others do that conversion to 2023 dollars, its huge none the less, and would wipeout the $2.7 Trillion.

    The hysterical notion of asking for reparations is nothing more than money grubbing.

    1. re: George W

      If we are going to put a dollar figure on ungodly evils like slavery, at the very least – the very least – shouldn’t Congress totally end the failed “War on Drugs”?

      Since the 1960’s the so-called “War on Drugs” cost over $1.5 trillion in taxpayer dollars and has resulted in millions of African-Americans serving prison sentences.

      It’s not just more than $1.5 trillion taxpayer dollars which produced more illegal drugs since 1960. Inmates aren’t paying payroll taxes, sales taxes, income taxes or other taxes. Instead of boosting the economy it’s a drag on the economy.

      Most experts agree that marijuana use is nearly equal comparing white kids versus black kids, but primarily enforced against black kids.

  7. Correct me if I’m wrong, but California’s greatest abuses occurred against U.S. Citizens of Japanese ancestry during World War Two. Although then president FDR ordered an unconstitutional action – called a war crime when foreign leaders do it – the California Governor and AG didn’t “check & balance” the federal government’s illegal actions. U.S. citizens of German descent received much better treatment during World War Two, than citizens of Japanese heritage.

    Following World War Two, U.S. citizens were removed from their California homes at gunpoint with bayonets (U.S. citizens), then loaded on trucks and trains to detention camps in the Arkansas swamplands. These U.S. citizens lost their homes and most of their assets.

    After being detained for four years in detention camps (no crimes and no wrong doing), these U.S. citizens were given $25 cash and a bus ticket. Lost their house and worldly possessions – here’s $25! Just recently in the past few years, any of surviving innocent citizens did get some extra money but not near enough.

    Those families were never made near completely whole. If anyone has seen the original Star Trek, actor George Takei, was one of those children shipped to America’s detention camps. FDR committed war crimes against U.S. citizens inside the United States. They deserve additional reparations from California also.

  8. I don’t know whether morality or any other grounds would entitle “descendants” of people who were enslaved to “reparations”, but I do believe that if such payments should be made, the rightful burden of payment should be borne by the “descendants” of those who benefitted from slavery, and, especially those who brokered in the slave trade. The United States of America didn’t own any slaves, didn’t sell any slaves, and neither did my ancestors, so I don’t see any moral grounds why my tax dollars should be used to pay “reparations” that neither I, nor my government, rightfully owe, especially to people who are not now enslaved. There have been “reparations” of a sort in this country, in the form of affirmative action, and other programs that give economic, social and educational advantages and benefits to descendants of slaves. To pay force American taxpayers to shoulder the burden of paying trillions of dollars to people who were not, themselves, enslaved, when neither the government, nor those of us whose ancestors were neither slave owners or slave brokers, is just wrong.

  9. This is a silly discussion. There are not going to be any more reparations.

    The entire systemic racism/disparate impact conspiracy theories have become a complete joke to rational people.

    1. Still all this absurd clamor for reparations never delivered does much harm in enraging many blacks believing they are owed much, which can form the basis for many of them to rationalize robbery and theft that they already do at a disproportional rate.

  10. Understanding that secession, not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, is reserved to the States respectively, or to the people, every act of Lincoln, subsequent to his unconstitutional denial of secession to Southern States, was and remains unconstitutional.

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

    – Abraham Lincoln

    And Lincoln destroyed it.

    Lincoln threw the baby out with the bathwater.

    Lincoln threw the Constitution out with reprehensible slavery, which must have been fully abrogated by legal means.

    1. The Supreme Court disagrees with you — see Texas v White (1869) opinion that held there was no constitutional right for a State to secede. Also see the persuasive blog comments from S. Meyer a couple of days ago supporting the same view.

      1. The Supreme Court, 2022, overthrew the corrupt and high-criminal imposition of the Supreme Court, 1973, regarding abortion.

        The Supreme Court, 1973, was a treasonous enemy of the Constitution.

        I don’t suppose you noticed that the brutal, heinous successors of the blood-thirsty, tyrannical, despotic dictator, “Crazy Abe” Lincoln, wrote the history books and the Supreme Court “decisions,” including the “Farce of 1869.”

        Oh, and Obama will never be eligible for the office of U.S. president but the communist, global, Deep Deep State ensconced him.

        Real President Trump won 2020 but the Deep Deep State ensconced Joke Buydumb.

        “S— happens,” as they say.

        “Crazy Abe” overthrew the U.S. Constitution through the liberal use of voluminous, kinetic, military force against the people.

        “Crazy Abe” was all for compassionate repatriation, not reparations, but somebody changed his mind…

        through the immediate and robust disarticulation of the contents of his cranial vault.

        Why would fate deal him this wholly appropriate and commensurate consequence?

      2. That decision is as constitutionally dubious and flawed as Roe was. Moreover, there’s no way that a Supreme Court loaded with Lincoln’s appointees was going to hold that a war that cost 600k+ lives (including a President) was illegal.

  11. The common denominator is America really has never been a “constitutional rule of law” nation where the Judicial Branch courts “check & balance” the two political branches.

    In fact since the War on Drugs in the 1960’s gutted the 4th Amendment (“Terry v. Ohio” Supreme Court ruling), America has instead gone full speed ahead in the opposite direction towards lawlessness violating constitutional restraints on authority.

    For example: Sections 1,2 and 3 of Article VI of the U.S. Constitution requires the federal government to honor all international treaties – these legally binding treaties outlaw things like torture, cruel treatment, blacklisting and Guantanamo Bay prison.

    Not to minimize reparations but maybe start complying with the “supreme law of the United States – the U.S. Constitution” first?

    Today, with Guantánamo Bay still open and over 1 million persons blacklisted for over 20 years – how can we condemn any other nation when they violate international law? We do it too. Shouldn’t we start leading by example before pointing fingers at other nations?

    This is the top job of the U.S. Supreme Court – to keep politics within constitutional out-of-bounds by providing “Judicial Review” over the two political branches.


    The descendants of freed slaves must not be citizens in America, by law.

    Freed slaves and their descendants may not have been admitted to become citizens, by law.

    Legitimate claims for compensatory damages must be filed in a plaintiff’s country of origin.

    The Emancipation Proclamation transformed the legal status of slaves from “property” to “illegal alien” requiring immediate compassionate repatriation under the Naturalization Act of 1802, which was in full force and effect on January 1, 1863.

    Through four iterations, the Founders were resolved on the issue of immigration law.

    The Supreme Court recently acted retroactively by 50 years to correct aberrations of statutory and fundamental law.

    The Supreme Court must now act retroactively by 150 years to correct egregious and corrupt legal aberrations such as gross dereliction and failure to comprehensively enforce immigration law.

    Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1798 and 1802

    United States Congress, “An act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” March 26, 1790

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof…

    1. Wrong — freed slaves and their descendants are United States citizens under the 14th amendment period!

  13. The ‘Great Emancipator’ and the Issue of Race
    Abraham Lincoln’s Program of Black Resettlement

    A Historic White House Meeting

    Eager to proceed with the Chiriqui project, on August 14, 1862, Lincoln met with five free black ministers, the first time a delegation of their race was invited to the White House on a matter of public policy. The President made no effort to engage in conversation with the visitors, who were bluntly informed that they had been invited to listen. Lincoln did not mince words, but candidly told the group:61

    You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated.

    … Even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race … The aspiration of men is to enjoy equality with the best when free, but on this broad continent, not a single man of your race is made the equal of a single man of ours. Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you.

    … We look to our condition, owing to the existence of the two races on this continent. I need not recount to you the effects upon white men growing out of the institution of slavery. I believe in its general evil effects on the white race.

    See our present condition — the country engaged in war! — our white men cutting one another’s throats, none knowing how far it will extend; and then consider what we know to be the truth. But for your race among us there could not be war, although many men engaged on either side do not care for you one way or the other. Nevertheless, I repeat, without the institution of slavery, and the colored race as a basis, the war would not have an existence.

    It is better for us both, therefore, to be separated.

    An excellent site for black resettlement, Lincoln went on, was available in Central America. It had good harbors and an abundance of coal that would permit the colony to be quickly put on a firm financial footing. The President concluded by asking the delegation to determine if a number of freedmen with their families would be willing to go as soon as arrangements could be made.

    – Robert Morgan, Institute for Historical Review

  14. Those calling for reparations have a conundrum to address, Will black people today whose ancestors owned slaves have to pay reparations to other black people. Some have said that the reparations courses are not mandatory but if their being taught in schools no opt out will be allowed because just like the fact in the case of CRT the parents will not be notified of an option to opt out. Don’t forget that at first the left said that CRT was not being taught in schools. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me if I let you tell white kids that they are born with the flaw of systemic racism. No matter how much effort is given the flaw of the sin of racism in the past will never be for forgiven and any amount of reparations will never be enough. This you can count on.

  15. We previously discussed the view of University of Rhode Island professor (and Director of Graduate Studies of History) Erik Loomis that “Science, statistics, and technology are all inherently racist.” Others have agreed with that view, including denouncing math as racist or a “tool of whiteness.” There are also calls for the “decolonization” of math as a field.

    Where does this impetuousness stop?

    If Erik Loomis and his intellectually stunted ilk truly believe their rhetoric they should abandon the use of all technology – stupid-phones, air travel, automobile travel, the intertubes (ie internet), PC’s, sanitation, refrigeration, medicine, etc.

    Math is a key building block for humanities current standards of living remove it from the equation and we’ll all be huddled around dung piles for warmth while living a hand to mouth existence with a life expectancy of 35.

    What exactly is a “tool of whiteness”.

    Are Erik Loomis and his ilk so unselfaware that they do not understand that they have positioned themselves as “tools of” ignorance.

    Last I checked white is also a color.

    Using the term people of color is divisive.

    All these ignorant pharmacologically lobotomized fools can do is emote.


  16. RE:”…an analysis of different reparations models to an investigation into whether or not reparations should be paid to the descendants of enslaved people in the U.S.”The 1619 Project has long been controversial due to questions over its historical accuracy..” .According to one noted black historian, during the period between the mid-1500’s and the mid-1800’s, less than 400K of the Africans sold into involuntary servitude went to North America. Those awaiting their money with bated breath, gained at the expense of the pain and suffering of their alleged ‘forebears;, would have to establish unequivocally through a documented lineage that they are the direct descendants of a first individual of that group who actually labored under the yoke of a slave holder in that region. They would not have the advantage of the neatly typed lists, in perfect columns, which the Nazis maintained when they collected the Jewish populations of Europe, and transported them to the slave labor and extermination facilities constructed to the purpose of the destruction of the European Jews. In this household, are copies of such lists in which can be found the name and prisoner number of my father-in-law who survived four such ‘gates of hell’, was liberated at the age of 19, and passed at the age of 95.

    1. Correction: My source [Henry Louis Gates Jr ] has written that “between 1525 and 1866….. 10.7 million Africans survived the Middle Passage…disembarking in North America, the Caribbean, and South America.” ”Only about 388K were shipped to North America.”

  17. What grade do you think the kid that doesn’t agree on his teacher’s position will get. Johnny for your transgressions you will write on the black board one hundred times, reparations are good. If this doesn’t bring you around we’ll just have to beat it into you. We’re not bluffing, our heroes have done it before.

    1. Just listen to the DC J6 judges as they lecture the defendants as the pass out sentences in years for the crime of “Wrong Think” which was at Most a basic parading without a permit. `

      1. I would note that ALL judges are arrogant and prone to stupidly lecture those in front of them.

        Recently the Presiding Judge for the county courts was pulled over by a local cop and is captured on video berating the officer for pulling him over
        “You know who I am”.

        I would note this is NOT parading without a permit – there was a permit for the elipse and MULTIPLE permits for the Capitol and the Constitution and law on Permits is MUST ISSUE.

        There is an absolute right to political protest, to do so at the capitol – and frankly INSIDE the capitol.

        Frankly the J6 prosecutions are incredible miscarriages of justice.

        Washington put down the “whiskey rebellion” – thousands of people where involved. Only a few leaders were tried – most were not convicted, and the few that were were pardoned after a few years.
        The whiskey rebellion was a REAL Armed insurrection.

        You are absolutely correct – the J6 prosecutions are convictions for “wrong think”.

        For someone who has spent a life time criticisiing the prosecution and conviction of Eugene Debbs – a communist, or defended the Nazi marches at Skokie, or even the KKK marching through my town, or MacCarthy and HUAC and the communist blacklists,

        All of these were prior instances of American Trying – and sometimes succeeding in acting contrary to Core AMERICAN values that are what distinguishes AMERICA in an incredibly important positive way from the world.

        Those FEW people at J6 who INITIATED violence against the CP. Who engaged in looting or actual property damage should be prosecuted – and nearly all should have been sentenced on the LENIENT end of the spectrum.

        I have no problem with charging and convicting those who initiate actual violence – left or right. J6 or any other time.

        But we most ALWAYS err in favor of ALLOWING political protest – RIGHT OR LEFT. And we MUST do so ESPECIALLY at government fascilities, and especially at public govenrment fascilities and extra especiallyu at the US capitol.

        Republicans in the Senate have been relentlesslly pummeling Garland for not prosecuting people who were out of line at Supreme court justices homes.

        And they are CORRECT, But the law that they cite – also covers protests at Courthouses – and that is WRONG. The Protest – that included Schumer at the Supreme Court was little different from J6 -= except that protestors were not able to break through the doors of the supreme court.

        That protest was shocking. but it was legitimate.

        I do not care if actual nazi’s – openly advocating the overthrow of the governement were at J6 – they are STILL allowed to do that.

  18. Jonathan: It’s back to your complaints about the 1619 Project that has now joined the Pulitzer Center in developing a high school math curriculum to address the reparations issue. As you can imagine I think that’s a great development in education. I was a math major in high school. My father, who was an accountant, wanted me to follow in his footsteps so he thought math was important. I struggled with the subject. It appeared “dry” to me and not relevant to anything I was interested in at the time. I got as far as trig and then decided to change majors when I got to college.

    So I think making math relevant to what is of interest to high school students is important. The issue of reparations for the descendants of slavery is an important issue both in Congress and in the states. So what is wrong with having high schoolers address the issue using their math and research skills? Maybe Black students, who are keenly aware of the subject of reparations, will be encouraged to pursue math careers in college. That would be a good thing.

    But you think the 1619/ Pulitzer curriculum is about “indoctrination”. It’s the hue and cry from conservatives who think schools should focus only on the “3Rs”. That’s the view of Gov. DeSantis in Florida. He thinks public schools should only teach the 3-Rs and teachers are prohibited from addressing issues like racism or LGBTQ+ issues with students. Hundreds of books on these subjects have been removed from school libraries. So if you want to talk about “indoctrination” DeSantis is doing it in spades!

    In Boston schools and school districts around the country the courses we are talking about are not mandatory. Not like in Florida where there are no options. What I think you are worried about is that high school students might be exposed to disciplines that involve analysis of racism and how it impacts all aspects of our society. That’s a bridge too far for conservatives who want to sweep the issue of race under the rug. That won’t happen. Young people in this country are keenly aware of all the social justice issues. They are going into universities and colleges demanding course in subjects they feel are important. You lost the battle years ago over that issue and you are now fighting a rear guard action. Progress will move forward whether you like it or not–thanks to Gen Z. They will lead the struggle for social progress in this country!

    1. Dennis McIntyre says conservatives want to sweep racism under the rug. Conservatives voice their opposition to slavery all the time. Dennis wants you to think that slavery only happened to black people while he is willing to ignore slavery by authoritarian socialist nations today. Just like Dennis Mao said that the new generation will lead the way. The same thing was said about the millennials but today after seeing the fruits of socialism they are moving to the right. Sorry Dennis, your dream of a new dawn is the same dream dreamt by Karl Marx. Why Dennis do you think the population of Florida is growing and the populations of blue states are shrinking? No clue?

    2. RE:”So I think making math relevant to what is of interest to high school students is important” The son of an accountant should recognize that said interest should be more to the application and use of maths in every day life. I’ve encountered high schoolers and slightly older, working part-time as cashiers, who can’t make change for cash purchases, their reliance on electronic devices and credit card purchases being what they are these ‘daze’. The student population intended for this curriculum’ can be seen to be even more disadvantaged in those skills. For example, only 21% of the graduates of the Chicago Public Schools in 2022 could perform math proficiently. [ ‘Illinois Policy”…’Chicago Public Schools Hit Record Graduation Rate As Math, Reading Scores Drop’ Hannah Max.] So of this lot, and other of their ilk, we want the remaining 79% to ” apply math skills, research into historical wealth gaps in the U.S., and an analysis of different reparations models to an investigation into whether or not reparations should be paid to the descendants of enslaved people in the U.S.” “Holy ‘give me a break’, Batman!!!”

    3. Dennis, how dare you be a math major. Don’t you know that math is part of the construct of racism by white men. Your proper repentance is expected.

  19. If you think that the indoctrination of your children is being overblown here is a statement made in writing by the Colorado Teachers Union. The Colorado Education Association, which represents more than 39,000 K-12 teachers, support professionals and higher education staffers, held its assembly in April and passed this resolution: “The CEA believes that capitalism inherently exploits children, public schools, land, labor, and resources.May 25, 2023.” They should have begun the statement with we are communists and we believe. They want you to believe that it was the government and not your tax dollars that built the schools that they teach in. Having made such a statement do you somehow believe that they won’t indoctrinate your children if given the chance. Remember, Obama said to American businesses “you didn’t build that”.

  20. That’s all this country needs – more pseudo education in the name of social justice. Karl Marx is laughing whenever he gets a break from shoveling coals.

        1. You’re welcome. I’ve watched it a couple of times and even made a chart to visualise his speech better in my head. I’d post it, but I don’t think we can post images/pdf’s.

          The big question is, now that we know what the enemy is, how do we fight back from these species taking over our country?

          1. Jim22,
            John Say and I have had a few conversations about the possibility of a civil war. I have argued that must not be allowed to happen.
            However, John said while the possibility was remote, the more and more the woke leftists pushed for their tolerant intolerance real violence would become a real possibility.
            Again, that must not be allowed to happen. Our current economic, JIT/BAU system would completely collapse and millions would die without even being near a shot in anger.
            As James says often, we need to get people to wake up, see the Democrat party for what it is and vote.

            1. Upstate,

              To me, the thing that should terrify us is the loss of the upper education system. Yes there are things like Bud Light, Target and the Dodgers, but to me, they are somewhat noise or a distraction compared to what is going on in the Ivy League Schools. These schools are spitting out the lawyers that will become the judges of the future. And once that happens, we will lose our judicial defense against an ever power hungry govt. and then we can kiss our Bill of Rights goodbye and we will never get anything back without war.

              1. Jim22,
                A good and reasonable observation. I agree.
                I would argue that we are seeing and questioning the value of a college education, namely from the Ivy League schools.
                Someone tells me they are a Ivy League grad, I would say you paid a lot of money to get indoctrinated. I would not consider them more so for hire vs a state grad. Their resume just might not see the light of day if I were the owner of a company.
                That is what we need more of. Either colleges that focus on real education and not indoctrination or allowing those without degrees better access to jobs.
                I have said it before, accredit the student per Charles H. Smith and not the institution. Empower these high school grads to go through a paid apprentice like program and give them the knowledge and skill set to succeed.
                Leave those over educated/woke leftists behind. Let them know the spent tens of thousands of dollars for a degree that gets them a job at Starbucks.
                Where they should be.

            2. UpstateFarmer.

              We are already in the midst of a civil war – and force is being used.

              Whether and how that turns violent is a different issue.

              The odds of anything resembling the US civil war are very near ZERO.

              We are not going to get two armed uniformed armies with military weapons going at each other on the battlefield.

              We are also not likely to see anything identical to past historical events.

              But Models that has SOME relevance, are the french revolution and the chinese cultural revolution – as models the left is workingtowards.

              And the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR as the opposite.

              Contra the ranting of the left regarding J6 – consequential right wing violence is highly unlikely – UNTIL left wing violence is out of control.

              Conversely left wing violence is highly likely – and already occuring.

              WHY ? Just look at the gigantic spike in anxiety and depression over the past decade.
              70% of young left white women are suffering from severe anxiety and depression.

              The numbers are lower for men, lower with age, lower with race, and much lower for conservatives.

              Anxiety and depression are huge drivers of chaos and violence.

              The elevated levels of crime in our cities are atleast partly the result of that heightened anxiety and depression.

              Again – though not identically – we have conditions much like the weimar republic – political and economic instability, anarchy and chaos, anxiety and depression.

              These are the condictions that lead to the french revolution and the rise of Adolf Hilter.

              We will NOT see exactly the same thing. History does not perfectly repeat. And if I could predict accurately how this will end – I would be able to become incredibly wealthy.

              But what is absolutely true is that the current conditions are not sustainable.

              I would further note that it is the LEFT that is unstable and unsustainable – and that should be obvious.
              It is the left that is anxious and depressed.
              It is the left that is tenaciously holding power and acting threatened by everything.
              It is the left that doubles down constantly.

              It is the left that will in some way fail – likely catastrophically. Probably mostly at their own hands – not as a result of some right wing uprising.

              But the collapse of the left will be followed by SOMETHING.

              In the french revolution that was Napoleon.
              In the Weimar republic that was Hitler.

              The left likes to rant that Trump is Hitler – which is complete nonsense.

              But the times in which we get a Hitler is when anarchy and chaos and lawlessness are rampant and people latch on to the leader that says – give me unlimted power and I will fix everything.

              That person can come from the right or the left.

              I do not think we get to that.

          2. Jim,
            Your questions reminds me recent events that have occurred in an organization that I do strategic plan management for.

            One year ago we conducted our first strategic planning session in our 60 year history. It was a brave move by the leader, who had been in the 2nd year of his 3 year term. All the previous leaders had just been doing what they’ve always done and membership was on the decline. One year later, new leadership has taken over and they are reverting back to the old way of doing business.

            So that brief history gives context to what your question reminded me of.

            The new leadership told me, regarding the changes, that no plan (in warfare) survives first contact. I was stunned. I knew from experience that new leadership would be expected to work the plan according to their leadership style. Maybe nudge it according to current conditions. But I don’t believe even they were aware they were using a quote that was omitting a major element, …with the enemy. They were essentially admitting our plan had been infiltrated by an enemy.

            So how do we fight back? We have to first know the enemy and recognize they have infiltrated every institution in this country. They are not just some low-level instigators we can simple weed out and all will be well. They are essentially in command and control positions. They are the Deep State and they will not relinquish their power quietly or peacefully. Sadly, there will be body count, on both sides and I mean that literally. They have been building their army of useful idiots for decades, for the final battle in a global war to end classical western civilization. Hyperbole? Perhaps. But if we don’t fight like it isn’t, it will be the outcome.

      1. Sorry, I couldn’t even get 30 seconds in.

        Equity is the absence of, or freedom from, bias or favoritism.

        Affirmative action, forced integration, forced busing, quotas, non-discrimination, fair housing laws all constitute bias and favoritism.

        Free people may hold biases, and show favor in their personal lives.

        People under dictatorship may not.

        Government must maintain equity, as the Constitution does.


        eq·​ui·​ty ˈe-kwə-tē
        plural equities
        Synonym of equity: Impartial

        1a: justice according to natural law or right

        specifically : freedom from bias or favoritism

        1. You must be a Marxist socialist then. Go find a country that strips you of all private property and live there and enjoy.

        2. Sorry, I couldn’t even get 30 seconds in.

          I’m not surprised. It requires a hint of humility to possibly learn something that might just break you of your quote machine habit. I understand that quotes, used in the proper context, may express your thoughts better than you can do yourself. But for heaven’s sake, say original intent at least as often as you do manifest tenor. It might even come off as an original thought.

          1. See if the following helps, provided as an educational resource only and not an attempt to diagnose anyone on this forum

            The final sample comprised ten studies, with a total of 113 998 individuals. Prevalence rates were fairly high for any personality disorder (12.16%; 95% CI, 8.01–17.02%) and similarly high for DSM Clusters A, B and C, between 5.53 (95% CI, 3.20–8.43%) and 7.23% (95% CI, 2.37–14.42%). Prevalence was highest for obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (4.32%; 95% CI, 2.16–7.16%) and lowest for dependent personality disorder (0.78%; 95% CI, 0.37–1.32%).

            Volkert J, Gablonski TC, Rabung S. Prevalence of personality disorders in the general adult population in Western countries: systematic review and meta-analysis. Br J Psychiatry. 2018 Dec;213(6):709-715. doi: 10.1192/bjp.2018.202.

      2. “Socialism” is a red herring.

        “It’s the [communism], stupid!”

        – James Carville

        “The goal of Socialism is Communism.”

        – Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

        1. E.M.

          Welome. Like I wrote to Olly, how do we combate these species and take back our country?

          1. Jim22,
            Thinking on it, I do not think there is something like, “take back our country.”
            A few years ago, back when I was still listening to NPR, they had Dan Rather on discussing his recent book.
            They then took questions/comments from callers. One woman was adamant about his position of talking to the “other” side. She vehement on how she did not want to talk to or even consider Trump voters.
            He cut her off and the On Point producers cut her off. He pointed out that she was just as much as the problem as Trump supporters.
            I thought it was a good point he made.
            But therein lays the problem: one half of the country hates the other half.
            As the good professor has pointed out, the intolerance of the woke leftists has grown more and more extreme. Our would be leftists friends try to spin it as “isolated” incidents. But they are growing more and more common.
            My point is, I think a Balkenization is a more likely outcome than a full scale civil war.
            Or I would hope so.

      3. Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto,

        not the Socialist Manifesto.

        About the author – a complete wack job – pen pal of American publishers/influencers and Abraham Lincoln:

        Karl Marx

        Personal Life


        Marx drank heavily until his death after joining the Trier Tavern Club drinking society in the 1830s.[30]

        Marx was afflicted by poor health (what he himself described as “the wretchedness of existence”)[192] and various authors have sought to describe and explain it. His biographer Werner Blumenberg attributed it to liver and gall problems which Marx had in 1849 and from which he was never afterward free, exacerbated by an unsuitable lifestyle. The attacks often came with headaches, eye inflammation, neuralgia in the head, and rheumatic pains. A serious nervous disorder appeared in 1877 and protracted insomnia was a consequence, which Marx fought with narcotics. The illness was aggravated by excessive nocturnal work and faulty diet. Marx was fond of highly seasoned dishes, smoked fish, caviare, pickled cucumbers, “none of which are good for liver patients”, but he also liked wine and liqueurs and smoked an enormous amount “and since he had no money, it was usually bad-quality cigars”. From 1863, Marx complained a lot about boils: “These are very frequent with liver patients and may be due to the same causes”.[193] The abscesses were so bad that Marx could neither sit nor work upright. According to Blumenberg, Marx’s irritability is often found in liver patients:

        The illness emphasised certain traits in his character. He argued cuttingly, his biting satire did not shrink at insults, and his expressions could be rude and cruel. Though in general Marx had blind faith in his closest friends, nevertheless he himself complained that he was sometimes too mistrustful and unjust even to them. His verdicts, not only about enemies but even about friends, were sometimes so harsh that even less sensitive people would take offence … There must have been few whom he did not criticize like this … not even Engels was an exception.[194]

        According to Princeton historian Jerrold Seigel, in his late teens, Marx may have had pneumonia or pleurisy, the effects of which led to his being exempted from Prussian military service. In later life whilst working on Das Kapital (which he never completed),[192][195] Marx suffered from a trio of afflictions. A liver ailment, probably hereditary, was aggravated by overwork, a bad diet, and lack of sleep. Inflammation of the eyes was induced by too much work at night. A third affliction, eruption of carbuncles or boils, “was probably brought on by general physical debility to which the various features of Marx’s style of life – alcohol, tobacco, poor diet, and failure to sleep – all contributed. Engels often exhorted Marx to alter this dangerous regime”. In Seigel’s thesis, what lay behind this punishing sacrifice of his health may have been guilt about self-involvement and egoism, originally induced in Karl Marx by his father.[196]

        In 2007, a retrodiagnosis of Marx’s skin disease was made by dermatologist Sam Shuster of Newcastle University and for Shuster, the most probable explanation was that Marx suffered not from liver problems, but from hidradenitis suppurativa, a recurring infective condition arising from blockage of apocrine ducts opening into hair follicles. This condition, which was not described in the English medical literature until 1933 (hence would not have been known to Marx’s physicians), can produce joint pain (which could be misdiagnosed as rheumatic disorder) and painful eye conditions. To arrive at his retrodiagnosis, Shuster considered the primary material: the Marx correspondence published in the 50 volumes of the Marx/Engels Collected Works. There, “although the skin lesions were called ‘furuncles’, ‘boils’ and ‘carbuncles’ by Marx, his wife, and his physicians, they were too persistent, recurrent, destructive and site-specific for that diagnosis”. The sites of the persistent ‘carbuncles’ were noted repeatedly in the armpits, groins, perianal, genital (penis and scrotum) and suprapubic regions and inner thighs, “favoured sites of hidradenitis suppurativa”. Professor Shuster claimed the diagnosis “can now be made definitively”.[197]

        Shuster went on to consider the potential psychosocial effects of the disease, noting that the skin is an organ of communication and that hidradenitis suppurativa produces much psychological distress, including loathing and disgust and depression of self-image, mood, and well-being, feelings for which Shuster found “much evidence” in the Marx correspondence. Professor Shuster went on to ask himself whether the mental effects of the disease affected Marx’s work and even helped him to develop his theory of alienation.[198]


        Following the death of his wife Jenny in December 1881, Marx developed a catarrh that kept him in ill health for the last 15 months of his life. It eventually brought on the bronchitis and pleurisy that killed him in London on 14 March 1883, when he died a stateless person at age 64…According to Francis Wheen, there were between nine and eleven mourners at his funeral…

        – Wikipedia

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