Despite my support for Elon Musk’s continuing efforts to reduce censorship and restore free speech protections on Twitter, I have been critical of some of his moves from his use of polls on restoring certain posters to the suspensions of media figures this week. However, this morning, I was struck by the European Union (EU) rushing into the controversy to threaten, again, sanctions against Musk. The EU is apparently aghast that Twitter could suspend media even temporarily after ignoring the bans on conservative media for years under the old management.
I understand Musk’s view of such tracking as a form of doxxing (particularly after a man reportedly used the information to attack the car with one of his children inside). Doxxing has long been subject to suspension. Indeed, figures connected with mainstream media from CNN to the Washington Post have been previously accused of doxxing. Liberal groups were accused of doxxing conservative justices and others, including dangerously posting information on the children of Justice Amy Coney Barrett. It does not seem to matter when the targets are conservative, Republican, or libertarian.
Figures who have long advocated the banning of others with opposing views are some of the loudest objecting in the wake of the doxxing controversy. Washington Post Taylor Lorenz expressed fear that she could be next. It may not be a groundless fear since Lorenz has been previously accused of doxxing others and described the reintroduction of free speech protections for others as the opening of “the gates of hell.”
However, it was the appearance of the EU that was most jarring. We have been discussing efforts by figures like Hillary Clinton to enlist European countries to force Twitter to restore censorship rules. Unable to rely on corporate censorship or convince users to embrace censorship, Clinton and others are resorting to good old-fashioned state censorship, even asking other countries to censor the speech of American citizens. It is an easy case to make given the long criminalization of speech in countries like France, Germany, and England.
The EU responded immediately by threatening Musk that restoring free speech could result in immediate sanctions or an entire ban. Now, EU commissioner Vera Jourova warned that the EU’s Digital Services Act was preparing to act to defend press freedom: “Elon Musk should be aware of that. There are red lines. And sanctions, soon.”
Jourova’s self-righteous tirade was almost comical given the EU’s long-standing attacks on free speech and silence of prior media suspensions. Jourova insisted “[The] EU’s Digital Services Act requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights. This is reinforced under our Media Freedom Act.”
Really? Where was Jourova and the EU when Twitter was aggressively suspending media like the New York Post for publishing the true story of Hunter Biden’s laptop? How about the slew of conservative writers and experts barred for questioning official accounts on issues ranging from Covid to climate change?
Not surprisingly, the EU is threatening to use the unprecedented anti-free speech law recently passed by the body.
For years, some of us have denounced the EU’s efforts to pass the Digital Services Act, a roadmap for state censorship on the Internet. It is the Western embrace of Chinese style speech controls on the Internet. The chief censor in the West has been Breton, who has shown open contempt for free speech values.
Breton has made no secret that he views free speech as a danger coming from the United States that needs to be walled off from the Internet. He previously declared that, with the DSA, the EU is now able to prevent the Internet from again becoming a place for largely unregulated free speech, which he referred to as the “Wild West” period of the Internet.
Jourova has also been a leading anti-free speech voice globally. She has pressed the United States for greater and greater censorship, declaring “democracies may die in noise and cacophony.” She wanted the tidy silence and order that comes from state imposed censorship.
Now, however, Jourova is deeply upset that some are being suspended as part of an anti-doxxing rule. Of course, the past suspension of writers like Greg Piper, Alex Berenson, and others was not nearly as concerning for the EU. The “red line” was only crossed when favored media were subject to such suspensions. The fact that this comes soon after threatening Musk not to restore free speech rights only makes the EU’s position more maddeningly conflicted and obtuse.
While I disagree with the scope of this action, I still support his efforts at Twitter in the face of an all-out-war declared by an alliance of political, media, and business interests. Musk has dismantled one of the most massive censorship systems in the world. Many of us in the free speech community will not hesitate to call him out when he is wrong, but the EU and many of these anti-free speech figures can spare us the transparent outrage after years of supporting censorship.
EU just an extension of the jeft wing social justice woke and the Democratic party Elitess Elon should stand firm take to the courts show what twitter did to conservatives and E U said nothing
We should just pull out of Europe and just stay here on North America. Her Schwab and his buddy Soros. They hate this country and what it stands for. They should have to face the Russians without us. Wonder how they’d handle that one.
All he needs to do is close all twitter offices in the EU and dare the EU to block Twitter.
He won’t do that. He needs the revenue. Can’t blame the EU for Elon’s hypocrisy. Banning people because they are just repeating publicly available information is not following free speech principles.
Really, I am getting so tired of Europeans’ feelings surrounding Twitter. If I were Musk, I would call Europe’s bluff, tell them to pound sand and if they want to ban Twitter from Europe, so be it. Europe is not the center of the Twitter universe.
AGREE! Twitter EU users a small fraction of WorldWide. 🤣🤣🤣 – My moneys on Musk temporarily shutting it off there…to watch the mass Gen Z protests follow; bc its several million of them who use it, and GEN Z likes to protest/riot en masse in EU on the regular now;…They’re against Govt overreach, period. US MSM just hasnt shown any of it since the crazy old puppet was “installed”
This should not be that difficult. If this a digital town square, we should not accept digitally that which we wouldn’t accept in person. So if some asshat is passing out flyers or simply announcing the personal (non-professional) location of an individual without their consent, then that should not be protected speech.
Aside from all the content provides on the left hand column of Banned.Video, if you’ve free time check out Viva & Barnes.
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As with everything one needs to use their own filters. Alex Jones, Barnes, Mc Gregory, etc., they’re knocking it out of the park for a bit now.
As Jones brings up, Govt Sars Covid 1, early 2000-2002, DOD/Pentagon afterwards report Ivermectin/HCQ get Rid of it Without the Harmful/Deadly mRNa shot.
Cont: 2016, 3 plus years before the now Known Bio-Chem Weapon was Released in 2019, we’re now seeing the X-Files covers that material showing Ivermectin protects humans from it. I’m still looking into it. Regardless there are plenty of Legal cases proceeding through the courts.
Genocide Exposed, looks to me it has been!
Greg Hunter below, logical, rational.
https://usawatchdog.com/trump-fights-censorship-vax-lies-collapsing-inflation-going-higher/
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Jonathan: It seems you are finding it harder to deal with Elon Musk’s back peddling on his promise to bring “free speech to Twitter. As pointed out in my previous comments Musk is carrying out a personal vendetta against his critics. He permanently bans Jack Sweeney, openly calls for the prosecution of Dr. Fauci because Musk disagrees with the good doctors handling of the Covid-19 pandemic, and then falsely calls Joel Roth, his former employee, of being a pedophile. In the case of Sweeney Musk said he would not block Sweeney’s account but now says he is going to sue Sweeney. Not only does Musk ban his critics but he sues them! Not something you would see under previous management.
As pointed out in my comment yesterday one critic in Germany, Michael Blume, has won a defamation suit against Twitter because it posted threats against Blume, his wife and children. It appears there is little HQ communication with Germany because Ella Irwin, Twitter’s head of Trust and Safety, says the platform is suspending accounts that put users “at risk”. Who at Twitter was protecting Blume from personal threats?
By my count Musk has banned at least 10 journalists. Under Musk there are no consistent policies in how Musk handles his critics Just the whims of a billionaire who needs constant validation. This is evident by Musk’s banning of NY Times reporter Ryan Mac. The Times said of the ban: “Neither the Times nor Ryan have received any explanation about why this occurred” . They asked for Mac to be reinstated. And what was Musk’s response? He created a Twitter poll asking users their opinion on banning journalists. When the poll showed most people wanted journalists reinstated, Musk didn’t like the results: “Sorry, too many options, will redo the poll”. Even you have criticized Musk’s use of polls. But this is the only critical thing you have said of Musk. No criticism over the banning of journalists. When are you going to come out and say what is becoming apparent. The only people enjoying “free speech” on Twitter are people like Andrew Anglin (a neo-Nazi), Laura Loomer (an anti-Muslim bigot) and Roger Stone (a supporter of Trump’s attempted coup).
AND JUST LIKE THAT…ELON MUSK GETS TODAY’s MSM TO FINALLY CARE ABOUT FREE SPEECH 👍🏾👍🏼👍🏽
Musk has said from Day1: The Principles of 1A will apply with focus on 2 big No-Nos –
1) No clearly inciting violence (see Kanye); and
2) No harm to kids (see Elon’s baby in vehicle getting physically jumped leaving the airport).
The TOS were even fleshed out more clearly this week to remove any confusion: DON’T TWEET OUT SOMEONE’S REAL TIME LOCATION OR DEETS IF IT’S NOT A PUBLIC EVENT Or CONSENTED To. Delayed reports of location are fine. (Precisely bc the former can de facto violate #1 in the current environment & #2 is due to the now-prove potential for children present.)
Despite all of this, so-called “Journalists” broke the rules AFTER being warned many times this week.
“Journalists” especially have a duty to “responsibly report”, and that includes a duty to know when they are breaking the rules. They thus had a duty to also know that by re-tweeting links to violative sites with many followers (as it was proven they each did, despite how they’re spinning it now), they were placing others (including children) in a higher likelihood of physical harms-way……They also broke Twitters long-standing TOS of not re-publishing violative tweets which exist for this very reason.
Musk’s approach is transparent & even collaborative w the public, and is the very essence of what our Founding Fathers envisioned for Free Speech in the Town Square per their discourse & writings; ie that a Govt of We the People by CONSENT would hold true to the core tenants of Freedom, rarely straying except for a narrowly-tailored, few exceptions that may be required to avoid egregious harms to our physical citizenry, their Property, or the Nation’s security. – – – It’s not a perfect process always to get there, but it’s literally the best approach to true Freedom that the planet has seen thus far.
A REMINDER that 1A only legally applies, however, to Govt Actors; not private ones acting independently.
Like most US companies not acting as State Actors then, Twitter2.0 does not need to follow 1A and may also change their TOS at any time… IT’S LITERALLY IN THEIR TOS!
– That Musk is nonetheless committed to following the spirit of 1A (without the full Court system to adjudicate every Tweet!), while also trying to simultaneously thread the cumbersome State/Fed legality of TOS & other Rules/Regs ….is a very difficult & noble endeavor.
– That Musk’s only meaningful acts of “censorship” so far have fallen on literally a handful of very-experienced elites, who clearly violated a few set rules that are squarely encapsulated within Musk’s clearly-stated, limited & narrowly-tailored approach to 1A exceptions…is an amazing feat!
And if Musk gets one wrong here or there, he has clearly shown a willingness and openness to listen to that opposing view & quickly correct course. THAT. IS. EVERYTHING! – And, for sure it is far cry better than the random, hidden & even altogether denied State-sponsored censorship of Twitter1.0 ……that MSM is still pretending never existed!
Thank you, Dennis, for this accurate and thoughtful post. Turley overlooks the fact that Trump used Twitter to help incite the Jan 6th attempted coup, all based on a lie that he also used Twitter to promulgate. This is the reason he was banned, and that’s appropriate based on Twitter’s terms of service. But, just like everything in Trumpland, anyone and everyone who does something about Trump’s narcissism (like banning him from using Twitter to send additional tweets fueling additional violence based on the Big Lie) or who cirticizes him (like Dr. Fauci, who wouldn’t go along with Hydroxychloroquine or not wearing masks), gets attacked, and the disciples take up the cause. Trump has promised to try to “protect free speech” in non-governmental settings, if he can somehow cheat his way back into office, because that’s the only way it could ever happen. “Free speech” would presumably include forcing nongovernmental social media sites to publish his baseless lies about losing in 2020, attacking Dr. Fauci and calling him a liar, falsely accusing him of approving “gain of function” research that resulted in COVID, pushing lies about the “Hunter Biden Scandal” or the other grievance du jour. Republicans in the House have promised to go after Dr. Fauci and Hunter Biden, based on what, exactly? There’s no evidence Dr. Fauci did anything wrong, unless you count refusing to go along with Trump’s lies and downplaying the seriousness of COVID as “wrongdoing”. They’re targeting Hunter Biden to try to create facts to support allegations of criminal conduct after they’ve smeared him and the Biden family on Fox and other alt-right media, trying to manufacture facts to back up the attacks. That’s all Republicans have on their agenda–grievance politics, culture wars and evening the score–not governing for the benefit of the American people. Somewhere along the line because of Trump, the Republican Party lost it’s soul and it’s main objectives, which used to include limited government spending, lower taxes, etc.. Now, it’s grievance politics, attacking Democrats, and pushing culture war themes, and so long as this is what they’re about, they’ll keep on losing elections.
One of the revelations of the twitter files is that even after scouring Trump’s tweets, and other public comments the left wing overlords of Twitter had to concede that Trump did not incite Violence on twitter.e
The reason Trump was banned was that the left did not like him.
The evidence regarding Trump’s banning is public. Twitter looked at numerous policies and found that Trump had not violated them. Trump did not violate Twitters terms of service – according to all those in twitter who banned him.
“ The reason Trump was banned was that the left did not like him.”
False. Trump was banned because he DID violate Twitter’s policies. Twitter had been very lenient with Trump for a while. The Jan 6 tweets was what finally made twitter say “enough”
“ Twitter looked at numerous policies and found that Trump had not violated them. Trump did not violate Twitters terms of service – according to all those in twitter who banned him.”
He did violate the terms of service. What’s your evidence that they said he didn’t?
Please read the internal discussion at Twitter regarding Banning Trump.
Absolutely they discussed banning Trump for some time.
But Trump did NOT violate twitters policies – not on j6 and not before.
Further those internal discussions ADMIT -openly state, that Trump did NOT violate any policies.
So they manufactured a new one from thin air.
None of this is secret anymore.
This is not ME claiming these things.
It is all the people Twitter who decided to ban Trump discussing that process at the time.
As is typical – you are Wrong. The FACTS are available – from many sources now.
Please check your claims before posting.
My evidence is all the internal discussions at twitter precedijng Trump’s ban.
That was clear in my post.
I should not have to teach you how to read.
Trump’s source of information for HCQ and blood bleaching was information provided by Faucci and Birx.
You like public health experts in the past are spreading misinformation about Covid.
You should ban yourself if you beleive in your own claimed principles.
Masks do not work against the Flu – which has a transmission rate of 1.4. Why in the world would you expect them to work against Covid ? Wuhan Covid has a transmission rate of 2.8. The latest Omicron 18.6.
The is no infectuous disease I am aware of with a transmission rate that high.
Public Health “experts” have been wrong about every single aspect of Covid from the start.
This despite having the evidence to reach better conclusions.
Covid is not spread by relatively large droplets that gravity will remove from the air within 2m but remains suspended in the air for long periods of time. Masks are not effective, social distancing is not effective.
Even WHO now admits the virus likely came from a single source lableak.
Faucci funded gain of function research.
Funding GOF research is not the problem. Lyning about it is. Funding it after Obama ended funding for it is.
Conducting it in places that do not have appropriate safety protocols is – though recent revelations indicate that there have been hundred of GOF lab accidents – even in the US, but that until Covid, they either did not result in infection, or did not result in spread.
The mRNA vaccine is a live virus that is the result of GOF research.
Gigi :No. Thank you. You know you will always have my back. Have you noticed that Prof. Turley, in an effort to distract, has focused on what he claims are the EU’s attack’s on Musk? What Turley ignores are Musk’s violations of laws right here in the US. For example, when Musk laid off off half his workforce in SF he violated both California and Federal labor laws. That’s according to US District Judge James Donato. Donato just ruled that asking Twitter to waive legal claims against Twitter without telling them of a class action challenging the layoffs was misleading and that disclosure should have been made. Musk wants to compel laid-off workers to arbitrate their claims even when they say they never signed arbitration agreements. Twitter is facing three proposed class action lawsuits claiming contract workers were never given notice before the layoffs, claims of discrimination against women and employees with disabilities. According to the lawsuits Musk ignored California and federal law that requires a 60 day notice before mass layoffs. See the Cal. “Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification” Act (WARN) and USC2101 and CFR 639.3. As a trained lawyer you think Turley would want to discuss these important legal issues. Apparently not, because Turley wants us to focus on the alleged attacks on the “free speech” rights of users in the EU. It’s a red herring. The case of Michael Blume in Germany and his successful suit against Twitter for defamation indicates the other side of the problem–Twitter providing an echo chamber for threats against a German office holder. That’s the part Turley completely ignores. We need to keep our eyes on the prize. This isn’t really about “free speech”. It’s about Musk’s attempt to silence his critics and provide an open forum right-wing hate speech both here and abroad. Just like Trump, Musk thinks he can ignore the law here and in the EU. He is going to face a reckoning!
Musk will win most if not all of these cases.
Regardless, these people are gone – good riddance.
To the extent that Musk may have violated actual CA laws – those laws are unconstitutional – see the contracts clause in the constitution.
It is not illegal to get people to agree to various things on the way out the door.
It may however be unenforceable – that is NOT the same thing.
It also MAY be enforceable. Donato will with certainty be overruled on his ludicrous claim that laid off employees had to be notified that the could file a class action lawsuit. There is no equivalent of Miranda for corporate layoffs.
The penalty – if there is any, for alleged coerced agreements is that the agreement is not binding – nothing more.
Musk gave people 60 days notice. He paid them for 60 days after he locked them out.
You can not create a notice provision that allows employees to occupy a private company for any time period.
Musk gave the notice, told them to leave and paid them for the notice period.
All the nonsense you are spraying will be meaningful only when it is legally final – and we are likely more than a year away from that.
Further it is near certain Musk will move Twitter from CA and this will not be a problem in the future.
And CA can watch as another $44B business leaves the state – with thousands of employees.
“To the extent that Musk may have violated actual CA laws – those laws are unconstitutional – see the contracts clause in the constitution.”
Not in California. Calling their laws unconstitutional without explaining why is a big clue as to why you’re wrong. The constitution also gives powers to the states not delegated by the constitution. Elon can contest the claims in court, but to declare they are unconstitutional prior to be heard in court is premature.
Musk did not give a 60-day layoff notice. Do you have evidence he did? It seems he not only violated CA law but federal law as well. Being sloppy with the layoffs may have cost him some expensive lawsuits.
“Calling their laws unconstitutional without explaining why is a big clue as to why you’re wrong.”
I did explain – the contracts clause forbids states from interfering in contracts.
“The constitution also gives powers to the states not delegated by the constitution.”
The constraints on contracts are in the US constitution.
” Elon can contest the claims in court,”
In the event any of these actually go to court – I am sure he will.
“but to declare they are unconstitutional prior to be heard in court is premature.”
Nope, it is just reading the contracts clause of the constitution.
“Musk did not give a 60-day layoff notice. Do you have evidence he did?”
Of course he did. This is public.
He told everyone you are getting 60 days paid time off, go home. After that you are laid off.
“It seems he not only violated CA law but federal law as well.”
It seems without an explanation is not an argument.
“Being sloppy with the layoffs may have cost him some expensive lawsuits.”
I doubt it. Musk might lose some. Mostly I expect they will settle.
None of this is consequential – even if he were to lose, the damages would be tiny.
But the layoffs were absolutely necescary and an important message to everyone in twitter – as well as a warning to the rest of Social Media and just Big Tech generally.
Musk is restoring the focus of Twitter to producing greater value with less human effort.
That is huge. As Musk succeeds the rest of Big Tech MUST follow.
This is much like Disney firing its CEO.
The business of business is not social manipulation. The business of business is creating real value as determined by the marketplace.
I strongly suspect we are past “peak woke”.
Musk’s takeover of Twitter is the gettysburg of the woke.
Slowly we will see big tech and Big Business, more quietly doing much of what Musk is doing.
Further as we are headed into a recession that is ALWAYS a time in which business uses economy driven cutbacks to purge deadwood. That would be the unproductive left.
These are not important legal issues.
The discrimination claims are stupid. These were mass layoffs. there were three requirements to avoid layoff.
Having a job that was actually necescary.
Twitter is currently growing with less than 1/2 the staff.
It is mostly a better place than it was before Mucks. It is self evident that these people were not necescary.
Next, you had to demonstrate a willingness to actually work in the period between Musk taking over and the layoffs that Musk said were going to happen.
Finnally you had to have a past record of being productive, when Musks Tesla staff went through the records.
Women were slightly disproportionately laid off because they were in divisions that were closed entirely.
Do you really think that Musk’s people came into Twitter looking for handicapped people to lay off ?
Twitter was bloated when Musk took over – Dorsey has publicly admitted that he added way too much staff after twitter went public.
There is no right to a job. If you have one and you want to keep it – make yourself valuable.
Almost no one is targeting Hunter Biden.
The TARGET is Joe Biden. Hunter and the rest of the Biden family are merely participants in the Biden criminal enterprise.
Everyone is targeting Hunter Biden as a means to find something about Joe Biden. That is the definition of a witch-hunt.
Nobody has provided any evidence of a crime or illegal activity. Making false insinuations is the mark of charlatans who accuse first and then prove later.
Nobody, even Turley has been able to articulate what crimes have been committed. I thought you were innocent until PROVEN guilty. The Biden family has not been proven guilty.
witch-hunt: An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.
Hunter is a Criminal. There are many established points at which criminal or highly suspicious conduct of Hunter intersects with that of Joe Biden. Joe Biden has lied repeatedly about that.
It is those intersections that are the focus of investigations. A major focus will be finances.
We already know they are commingled.
Further we know SOME of Hunter’s misconduct, any investigation will look for more – particularly influence peddling and payoffs,
as those have the highest probability of leading to Joe Biden.
There is already far more than enough to impeach Biden, and to remove him if Senate Democrats were honest with themselves.
It is near certain that further investigation will uncover more influence peddling and payoffs.
It is near certain that what is found will further implicate Joe Biden.
Further there is another factor to this – we listened to you rant that Trump was Putin’s puppet – despite no actual ties.
The Biden’s have been tied to monies from often hostile countries – Iran, Russia, China.
Even know Joe Biden’s actions as president – such as releasing the Strategic Oil Reserves, have resulted in profits by Hunter that Joe may have personally benefited from.
There are national security issues, as well as obvious maniplulation of official powers for personal gain.
Dennis, you are the ultimate hypocrite and ignoramus. Sweeney didn’t criticize Musk. Sweeney tracked Musk threatening Musk and his family’s safety. Sweeney, who sounds immature, asked Musk for an internship.
The rest you wrote is also junk, but that is not new for you. You complain about a few journalists suspended for linking to tweets considered violent. Such suspensions are common sense and based on rules preceding Musk.
Suddenly you don’t like the rules you cheered on before. You are a hypocrite.
Musk is the hypocrite here. He banned several journalists because they shared publicly available information about his jet’s flights. Elon is anti-free speech when it comes to his critics.
Svelaz, when Twitter censored political speech, that was OK with you. It was also OK with you when the FBI sat down with Gadde, Roth, and Baker to censor political speech on behalf of the US government.
However, you cry FOUL when Musk suspends those whose tweets could lead to violence. When people want to stop sexualizing children, you scream and yell about censoring speech.
The answer is you are a violent fascist pedophile uninterested in freedom of speech.
.”Forwarding to Jonathan, so that he can weigh in on these sorts of uncivil comments” [self-deleted]
So writes our resident Mama’s Boy on the blog. He should forward his own comments as those calling George a white nationalist.
What comments are you talking about? Sexualizing children? Or his penchant for getting even with Musk. Track Musk and grab his children. That is violent thoughts. Pedophilia? It is a trait that need not be acted upon. It is not any more insulting than calling George a white nationalist. How about the word fascist? You wish to deny half the country their right to freedom of speech, as does Svelaz. Isn’t that fascism?
Complain all you wish Mama’s Boy, but nothing was any more uncivil than your own actions and those of most of the leftists on this blog.
I thought twitter was a private company that could suspend whoever it pleased ?
Seems like YOU are the hypocrit
Super-rich people have always had to take measures to protect their physical security and that of their family. When they go against the grain of the united power centers of a civilization (as Musk has done with Twitter), they have to take even more precautions. There is no evidence Musk engages in viewpoint discrimination, as the previous incarnation of Twitter did. The present commenters’ critiques of his security precautions are disingenuous: they are based on fine distinctions Musk does not have the luxury to indulge, and they do not come to grips with the facts of the case — the manifest need for security vigilance, no history or evidence of viewpoint discrimination.
The most egregious mistake the United States has ever made was modifying the Constitution in 1971, when the privilege to vote was given to juvenile dimwits. These vacuous juveniles (past and present) have limited basic historical knowledge, wisdom, or any self-awareness of just how stupid they really are. Their like nose-ringed Pigs at the trough, though they forage from the Liberal Bilge.
God help us to survive these self-important know it all’s.
I resemble that remark. I was 16 in 1971. Do you want to draft young men against their will to fight and die (in a rice paddy) 10,000 miles away when they aren’t even old enough to vote? That was the argument then. And it changed local politics in every college town in America for the last fifty years.
It is still a fact that what we need to fight a war and what we need to vote are not the same.
We litterally need young men with little ties to the world, without wives and children and homes to fight wars – or we did then.
Which is close to the opposite of what we need for good citizens able to make wise voting choices
Anyone who qualifies to vote should be able to vote. Not just your preferred handpicked voter. That’s how dictators get voted into office.
“Anyone who qualifies to vote should be able to vote. Not just your preferred handpicked voter. That’s how dictators get voted into office.”
Nothing I wrote says otherwise.
The qualifications to vote are radically different from those to fight in a war.
I have zero problems with states verifying that people are qualified to vote before letting the vote.
As an example verifying citzenship and residence.
Today we allow people who are not qualified to vote.
The constituion has been amended to allow that, and so I am not getting that changed.
But we need not and can not cater to every whim to get couch potatoes to vote.
Mailin voting is unconstitutional in 38 states. It should be in all.
If you can not get off your but and come to a polling place
you should not vote, you do not care enough.
Dictators get voted in when voting standards are poor, voting laws are disregarded, and unqualified voters vote.
We do not get dictators in countries were the rule of law is adhered to.
The EU is a communist union of European nations.
The EU is omnipotent and individual freedoms are nonexistent.
But then, you already know that.
The EU forcibly imposes:
– Central Planning
– Control of the Means of Production (regulation)
– Redistribution of Wealth
– Social Engineering
– Unlimited Emergency Powers (dictatorship of the proletariat)
TOTAL EU TWITTER USERS = a TINY fraction of Twitter users worldwide. 🤣🤣🤣
They are most if EU’s students.
EU STUDENTS HATE GOVERNMENT OVERREACH!
The Communist EU leaders will quickly become Capitalists again (like they always do) when the surprisingly large anti-government mob of millions of EU Gen Zs takes to the streets after Musk temporarily shuts down EU Twitter rather than cave.
…The EU Dick-taters were forced to reverse course after millions successfully marched & rioted against everything from crazy COVID lockdowns to illegal increases in taxes/tolls to insane energy prices…
US MSM doesn’t show the MANY wild, mass, anti-GOV, GEN Z protests across Europe since Dementia-in-Chief was “installed”. – US MSM wants its dumb American sheep to believe that eg, sure, Green Germany just fired up all its dormant dirty coal plants bc they felt like it! 🤣🤣🤣
There should be no surprise when it comes to the actions of European nations. Germany shunned Trumps outreach to supply their nation with natural gas in order to do more business with Russia. I don’t feel sorry for them now that they are reaping what they sowed. Now they are firing up their coal fired power plants and taking their nuclear reactors out of mothballs. So what is their response? They cap the price of energy. Duh. No one has to sell them natural gas if they can get more for it elsewhere in the a world wide market. You can cap the price but if you buy something for one dollar and you sell it for sixty cents your financial demise will arrive sooner or later. No problem, they’ll just print more money. Green mindset meet reality. They get what they deserve. If you live in Germany you don’t have to worry that they will keep you from seeing what’s really going on. Riight!
And they’re chopping down their forests to get heat this winter . . . and they laughed derisively at President Trump when he tried to warn them of the risk they were taking. Whether they’ll print more and more money remains to be seen. They tried that in the early 1920s and it all came crashing down on them in 1923. Let’s see if their historical memory is good enough to prevent them from making the same mistake this time.
The Germans, whom are seen as the economic powerhouse of the EU, is hemorrhaging about 1.5 billion euros per day since the Ukraine/Russo war started or 12% of economic out put.
All indicators point to a serious economic recession in 2023.
The inflation they are feeling now, may pale in comparison to next year.
The US will not be far behind. It may be not as bad as Germany, but it will only be the best looking horse in the glue factory.
I said decades ago when the internet was first blossoming that the day is coming where the powers-that-be will not allow dissenting voices to be heard. That day is among us. Big tech, the media and democrats have a stronghold on approved speech and it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Musk should not cancel anyone. That
would be practicing free speech .
“Musk should not cancel anyone.”
– IB
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How about stalkers with felonious intent? How about nefarious individuals publishing the time and date and selling tickets to their pending “smash and grab,” bank robbery or rape?
Yes, origin, intent, and scope matter.
You can commit felonious intent without twitter. Soon there will be a cascade of rules and regulations and there goes your free speech. And we’ll be back where we started.
Twitter is not a representation of free speech, Twitter is a representation of private property.
Speech on private property is under the control of the owners of said private property.
This is what Hillary personally called for. That level of insipid connection should frighten you. What shouldn’t though, is that the EU is irrelevant to U.S. law, we still have a Constitution, and I hope Elon quadruples down. All this show is that the modern EU is every bit as fascist, and complicit with the usual round of leftist personas as we have suspected. Screw ’em. Stand up now or not at all, and bear in mind that in somewhat recent polls, Hillary would *still* lose to Trump, though I am no fan of his, either. Whatever.
It hasn’t exactly been a secret that most of Europe is a lost cause for freedom these past number of years, particularly the UK. Britain has tv chefs apologizing, on air, for using meat or plastic (see a chef’s shows that rhyme with Bamie Poliver), and Australia posts white guilt disclaimers in front of their tv shows (see, ‘Upright’, specifically series 2). This is what countries become when they do not protect speech. The United States does not need to join them, but it’s now or never, such is the globalist death grip on free society across the West. Here in America we still have the right to not comply, and we’d damned well better not.
What caused sudden death post-Covid vaccination? Below is the type of video denied to the public by the left trying to control our lives. Here a physician explains what is happening, and the likely cause of death. Ventricular fibrillation is reasonably proven histologically.
Many know that people with heart attacks frequently die early, and some do not have that much damage to the heart. What could be the likely cause? Ventricular fibrillation. This mechanism is likely the same cause of death for many people following vaccination.
The left wants to control us. The way they can do it is by controlling the information we see. Be aware. The EU, the American Socialist Left, and the Democrats are dangerous to your health.
https://www.youtube.com/@Campbellteaching
Some of us older folk that have pacemakers with defibrillators, take note, that device might have saved your life by providing a shock when Ventricular fibrillation occurred. It would be of interest to know if those with defibrillators might have had their lives saved by their defibrillator.
It would be interesting if any on the blog asked the cardiologist if their defibrillator fired within 30 days of the vaccination.
I haven’t heard of any such study correlating vaccination dates with the firing of one’s defibrillator. Such a study would be interesting because the data exists, is easily obtained, and is accurate.
Check with your cardiologist. If the defibrillator fired within 30 days of the vaccination, let people and us know.
Western Europe is stuck like Gulliver tied down by Lilliputian lawyers, bureaucrats, and politicians. There is no escape because, well, laws are laws aren’t they?
Svelaz tells us that its no big deal because where you have been can be tracked by your cell phone. There is a difference in knowing where you were in the past and where you are right now. Svelaz thinks that those who want to know where you are right now have only the best of intentions. Sometimes arguing the opposite position for the sake of arguing the opposite position just exposes Svelaz’s lack of the ability to think in a serious manner.
Some people believe it is okay to be able to stalk others because it is free speech. They have no notion of what it is like to be in a situation when some one dressed in all black, who jumps on the hood of your vehicle, what their intentions may be.
There may come a time when they go to far and we are forced to defend ourselves and our children from them.
I fear for a time like that as while we will see it as self-defence of ourselves or our children, they will see it as justification to take it past censorship to fascists coming for us, the enemy at the gates.
Thankfully there is the 2ndA.
“ Svelaz tells us that its no big deal because where you have been can be tracked by your cell phone.”
Tit, as usual you like lying about what others say. Not surprising.
All I pointed out is that EVERYONE is vulnerable to being tracked. It’s been going on for a few decades now. Every interaction you have on your phone is tracked. Companies use your data, sell your data, whereabouts and what you buy or even see. Elon the hypocrite is censoring media because HE is uncomfortable with that idea that he can be tracked. This isn’t new. It’s publicly available information. It’s part of what happens in that “public square” he gushes over so much. He’s just being one massive hypocrite like Turley.
Everyone can be tracked – but not in real time by their neighbor without their permission.
Government can track you real time.
You can buy location data on who was where a week ago.
Regardless, the left rants about revelaing action public information about people – doxxing,
But somehow thinks it is OK to provide all the loons in the world with the location of people they do not like.
Can you provide a legitimate reason that you might have for publishing the location of another person in real time without their permission ?
“ Regardless, the left rants about revelaing action public information about people – doxxing,
But somehow thinks it is OK to provide all the loons in the world with the location of people they do not like.
Can you provide a legitimate reason that you might have for publishing the location of another person in real time without their permission ?”
The tracking of his jet was not in real time. Some apps do track flights unreal time and it’s all public information. Doxxing IS not illegal. The right has been doing that with abortion doctors, professors, teachers, and even those who they label “groomers”. Until congress makes it illegal. It’s all part of free speech.
“ Can you provide a legitimate reason that you might have for publishing the location of another person in real time without their permission ?”
Mere curiosity is enough reason as long as the information is publicly available. You can track commercial flights, even military ones when they file flight plans that do not have classified military purposes. It’s all part of that “public square” that Elon supposedly believes in.
What IS notable is that he is censoring people because he’s uncomfortable with the fact that people can know where he is by way of public information. He’s anti-free speech when it comes to his critics. It’s not what a “free speech absolutist” is. He’s a ginormous hypocrite and he’s being called out on it. His excuse that it has to do with safety is BS. He’s just uncomfortable with the idea that his whereabouts can be known. Everybody has that vulnerability, he’s not THAT special.
Doxxing has gotten you banned on social media for a long time. Atleast if you were not on the left.
The jet tracker was blackmailing Musk.
I have no idea what your definition of real time is – but the tracking program was sufficiently real time to be a threat to Musks life and safety.
No mere curiosity is not sufficient reasons.
The 4th amendment guarentees a person security in their person, property and papers.
Much of what you call public information is not or should not be public.
Musk established a rule – one that applies to everyone – not just him.
I am OK with the rule.
The left claimed that J6 was planned on Twitter.
I doubt anything illegal was done – but if it was those accounts should be blocked.
I am OK with suspending people for Publishing the address of a private persons home – whether that is Nancy Pelosi, or Bret Kavanaugh.
If you wish to protest members of congress – do it at congress.
If you wish to protest the supreme court – do it at the court.
Regardless your curiosity about private people is not a justification.
As you yell hypocracy at Musk, you prove yourself a hypocrite.
You had not problems with much more egregious censorship based on ideology and feelings.
Each of us has the power to preclude others aside from government from tracking us – if we wish to go to the effort.
I am sure Musk does.
No that is not “the public square”
It is part of the public square if the information is publicly available for anyone to see. You don’t have to be on twitter to know where his jet is. The only reason it is on twitter is because it is shareable information. it’s all about that free flow of ideas and information that a free speech absolutist would be supporting. Elon obviously is not. There is a reason why it’s termed “absolutists” meaning no exceptions. It’s absolute. He’s banned several journalists merely for sharing the information just like twitter did when many shared misinformation about COVID or voter fraud. This is no different and this just exposes the hypocrisy of Elon.
Luckily he CAN censor them and CAN ban the information and I fully support his ability to do so. But I will still critique his hypocrisy which is very well deserved.
“The only reason it is on twitter is because it is shareable information. it’s all about that free flow of ideas and information “
It is not the free flow of information. It is the desire to encourage violence. It has similarities to stalking and encourages illegal acts.
When the government used Twitter illegally to censor conservatives, you were all for it. Now when Musk stops tweets that can cause threats of violence, you are against it.
There is only one conclusion that one can draw. You are a violent fascist. We can deal with your pedophilia later.
All publicly available information is NOT the public square.
They are not even close to the same thing.
The public square is a forum in which censorship is limited to that little govenrment is permitted to censor.
Publicly available information is information that is gathered – often by govenrment and made available or sold.
The fact that govenrment gathers that information does not automatically make it public.
There are some who post on this blog who tell us that Musk made a bad business decision when he purchased Twitter. I really don’t think he gave a damn if he would lose money on Twitter. His purpose was to expose what was going on at Twitter. Let me further explain. The real bombshell at Twitter is yet to drop. What they were doing at Twitter makes Brinkman-Fried look like a piker. The higher ups at Twitter misrepresented the value of Twitter to its stockholders and its advertisers. How did they do this? The value of Twitter to its advertisers is how many real humans interact on the platform. They cooked the books. They represented the bots as being real people. In doing so they met their quota and received bonuses in the tens of millions of dollars. The worlds biggest ponzi scheme of all time was happening at Twitter. There will be fines and jail time in the future of these charlatans. I offer this update on the happenings at Twitter. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22186683/twitter-whistleblower-disclosure.pdf. Its no wonder that these people are fighting tooth and nail to suppress the truth. Thank yo Elon Musk.
I’d like to quote one Donald J Trump if I may: “When Elon Musk came to me for help with all of his many subsidized projects, whether it’s electric cars that don’t drive far enough, driverless cars that crash, or rockets to nowhere, without which subsidies he’d be worthless, and telling me how he was a big trump fan and a Republican, I could’ve said ‘drop to your knees and beg,’ and he would’ve done it!”
Gotta hand it to the big guy- he saw through Elons BS immediately.
Why are you here anyway shouldn’t y’all be lining up to purchase Trump NFTs?
Here’s the quote before someone says it’s fake: https://i.imgur.com/yh59Y1C.jpg
You ladies have a real sweet weekend now.
“ Musk has dismantled one of the most massive censorship systems in the world. Many of us in the free speech community will not hesitate to call him out when he is wrong, but the EU and many of these anti-free speech figures can spare us the transparent outrage after years of supporting censorship.”
No he hasn’t. He kept it in his back pocket to use whenever he wants to and he did use it for this occasion. To silence his critics. It’s all fun and games touting free speech until it affects you.
Turley’s column sweeps aside the obvious hypocrisy to focus on what the EU does as a sovereign entity.
Elon like Turley claims to be a “free speech absolutist” but we all know both are massive hypocrites. Elon CAN run twitter anyway he pleases and he CAN ban these media personalities legally. The big problem here is not the EU sanctions. It’s the obvious hypocrisy and the BS that is to be a “free speech absolutist”.
The flight tracker thing is all based on PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. You can STILL track his jet without twitter. You can track ANY flight. It’s funny that Turley isn’t discussing what it is to be a “free speech absolutist” without mentioning the obvious hypocrisy that comes with it. Has anyone noticed that Turley doesn’t have the blue check mark of credibility on his Twitter feed?
I still support Elon’s right to censor content on his site. It’s not contrary to the 1st amendment or a violation of these reporters rights. What IS certainly fair game is criticizing his massive hypocrisy. It’s the same with Turley. The criticism is well deserved.
Musk is absolutely within his rights to protect his family and others the radical left don’t like, and whose doxing was facilitated by their use of Twitter when they were in control. The EU has become a totalitarian confederation.
“Musk is absolutely within his rights to protect his family and others “
Musk is also protecting the families of those EU leaders.
” You can STILL track his jet without twitter. “
Try doing so. It is time consuming. Sweeney facilitated tracking which could be expanded to all public figures. That is dangerous and can lead to violence.
Good job Elon. Stop all the tracking real time.
Our leftist bloggers on this sight once again miss the point. When it comes to light that a politician has been doxxed defensive measures can be put in place. When REAL TIME doxxing occurs there is no time to defend oneself. Do our leftist bloggers really want an environment where every person of prominence feels that they have to carry a gun because someone will know where they are at any given moment in time? They can’t seem to extrapolate that they too may soon be the subject of twenty four hour surveillance. They just switch from Trump Derangement Syndrome to Musk Derangement Syndrome with such ease. Once addicted always addicted.
Doxing is legal. Elon’s jet tracking is legal. You can still track it without twitter. As long as he files a flight plan his path or the path it took can be seen by anyone. Free speech includes being exposed by the free flow of information that may make anyone vulnerable. In fact everybody’s “private” information is available on the web. Court records, arrest records, shopping habits. Even where you’ve been based on your phone’s tracking apps.
All he can do is have a security detail, if he’s paranoid enough. Or just go about his day and focus on his business.
Those without morals care only about legality. The safety of others and their families is not this guy’s concern. Svelaz expresses his commitment to pedophiles and stalkers repeatedly.
Anonymous is just being a crybaby. Tracking is jet is not about his safety. It’s about the fact that this is the public square he always says is what is important. He is being a hypocrite because he is uncomfortable with the idea that he can be tracked. YOU can be tracked too. Anyone can. That is the whole point.
We know it is for safety because many prominent people are tracked so that they, or their families, can be found and held hostage for ransom. Do you admit to being stupid not knowing this, or do you wish to change your statement?
Where is the hypocrisy? I’ll change my statement. You are a hypocritical, violent fascist.
To prove you are at least partially wrong, I am asking Darren to release your full name and address. Will you be happy if he does that, or will you call that unfair? Do you still think my statements are those of a crybaby, or will you cry and whimper like the coward you are? Of course, Darren won’t do that, and neither will Turley, even though Turley calls himself a free-speech absolutist.
Do you wish to press the point until someone on the blog decides to hack WordPress and release that data himself? Is that what you want, or are you a crybaby? Though you may not admit it, suddenly, with the shoe on the other foot, you are uncomfortable with your position.
You are a hypocritical, self-centered and cowardly, violent fascist.
The presidents schedule is classified. There are strict controls on what is made public about where and when the president will be.
That is done for his safety.
As we saw in congress on the hearing on white supremest domestic terrorism – the actual threats to the safety of people comes from the left, not the right.
TiT,
It is always okay when leftists do it. And that can be anything from doxxing, to stalking, to riots, arson, looting etc.
Waiting for the day when one of these idiots do something spectacularly dumb and gets shot for it.
Fuzzy Chimp 🇺🇸
@fuzzychimpcom
I would like to point out if a website was devoted to live-tracking Nancy Pelosi’s whereabouts and Fox News and Newsmax were sharing it, these people would be calling for Biden’s DOJ to arrest people.
Here we are discussing how many angels can fit on the head of a pin while the left is plotting our demise.
As Lenin said….What is to be done? We are in a fight against the New Totalitarians.
Rarely mentioned, there is also Orwellian “Memory Hole Censorship”. George Orwell warned about these tactics used by Communist regimes. If a leader in a photo was replaced, they literally airbrushed them out of the photo. So the person never existed in the history books.
Today, this is largely done with things like Bush’s torture program, although there is no statute-of-limitations on war crimes. It simply got erased.
The DOJ pretends it didn’t have anything to do with it, although it pushed the CIA and DOD to perpetrate torture.
Under Article VI of the U.S. Constitution (Sections 1, 2 & 3) – Ronald Reagan’s Torture Treaty was (and still is) the supreme law of the United States, written into federal law. Reagan wanted cruel treatment prosecuted also.
In 2022, it just disappeared down the “memory hole”! Going forward into the future there is an “incentive” to perpetrate more torture and more war crimes.
Wasn’t it John Durham who led the DOJ whitewash of this?
John “Dudley Do-Wrong” Durham
Agent of the Deep Deep State “Swamp”
Author of False History
Ignoble Fraud and Flimflam Man
Court Jester
Truth Assassin