Despite my support for Elon Musk’s continuing efforts to reduce censorship and restore free speech protections on Twitter, I have been critical of some of his moves from his use of polls on restoring certain posters to the suspensions of media figures this week. However, this morning, I was struck by the European Union (EU) rushing into the controversy to threaten, again, sanctions against Musk. The EU is apparently aghast that Twitter could suspend media even temporarily after ignoring the bans on conservative media for years under the old management.
I understand Musk’s view of such tracking as a form of doxxing (particularly after a man reportedly used the information to attack the car with one of his children inside). Doxxing has long been subject to suspension. Indeed, figures connected with mainstream media from CNN to the Washington Post have been previously accused of doxxing. Liberal groups were accused of doxxing conservative justices and others, including dangerously posting information on the children of Justice Amy Coney Barrett. It does not seem to matter when the targets are conservative, Republican, or libertarian.
Figures who have long advocated the banning of others with opposing views are some of the loudest objecting in the wake of the doxxing controversy. Washington Post Taylor Lorenz expressed fear that she could be next. It may not be a groundless fear since Lorenz has been previously accused of doxxing others and described the reintroduction of free speech protections for others as the opening of “the gates of hell.”
However, it was the appearance of the EU that was most jarring. We have been discussing efforts by figures like Hillary Clinton to enlist European countries to force Twitter to restore censorship rules. Unable to rely on corporate censorship or convince users to embrace censorship, Clinton and others are resorting to good old-fashioned state censorship, even asking other countries to censor the speech of American citizens. It is an easy case to make given the long criminalization of speech in countries like France, Germany, and England.
The EU responded immediately by threatening Musk that restoring free speech could result in immediate sanctions or an entire ban. Now, EU commissioner Vera Jourova warned that the EU’s Digital Services Act was preparing to act to defend press freedom: “Elon Musk should be aware of that. There are red lines. And sanctions, soon.”
Jourova’s self-righteous tirade was almost comical given the EU’s long-standing attacks on free speech and silence of prior media suspensions. Jourova insisted “[The] EU’s Digital Services Act requires respect of media freedom and fundamental rights. This is reinforced under our Media Freedom Act.”
Really? Where was Jourova and the EU when Twitter was aggressively suspending media like the New York Post for publishing the true story of Hunter Biden’s laptop? How about the slew of conservative writers and experts barred for questioning official accounts on issues ranging from Covid to climate change?
Not surprisingly, the EU is threatening to use the unprecedented anti-free speech law recently passed by the body.
For years, some of us have denounced the EU’s efforts to pass the Digital Services Act, a roadmap for state censorship on the Internet. It is the Western embrace of Chinese style speech controls on the Internet. The chief censor in the West has been Breton, who has shown open contempt for free speech values.
Breton has made no secret that he views free speech as a danger coming from the United States that needs to be walled off from the Internet. He previously declared that, with the DSA, the EU is now able to prevent the Internet from again becoming a place for largely unregulated free speech, which he referred to as the “Wild West” period of the Internet.
Jourova has also been a leading anti-free speech voice globally. She has pressed the United States for greater and greater censorship, declaring “democracies may die in noise and cacophony.” She wanted the tidy silence and order that comes from state imposed censorship.
Now, however, Jourova is deeply upset that some are being suspended as part of an anti-doxxing rule. Of course, the past suspension of writers like Greg Piper, Alex Berenson, and others was not nearly as concerning for the EU. The “red line” was only crossed when favored media were subject to such suspensions. The fact that this comes soon after threatening Musk not to restore free speech rights only makes the EU’s position more maddeningly conflicted and obtuse.
While I disagree with the scope of this action, I still support his efforts at Twitter in the face of an all-out-war declared by an alliance of political, media, and business interests. Musk has dismantled one of the most massive censorship systems in the world. Many of us in the free speech community will not hesitate to call him out when he is wrong, but the EU and many of these anti-free speech figures can spare us the transparent outrage after years of supporting censorship.
How can I tell which Anonymous is the real Anonymous?
Sometimes people name the most offensive anonymous, ATS or Anonymous the Stupid.
Carole, we used to have an anonymous that signed his comments with “EB” or “Elvis Bug.” My position is if a commenter avoids using a unique identifier, then they aren’t worth the time responding to them.
It’s not hard to figure out. What is the intent of someone who reveals the location of a persons home and his family members? It’s obvious that the intended result will be the stalking of the person who is being doxxed. Incitement to violence is not covered by the freedom of speech laws. Incitement to violence is exactly what doxxing is. Doxxing is really not that new of a thing. It has been imposed by every totalitarian leader in history. The totalitarians on this blog are no exception.
Many of Musk’s maneuvers seem to be counter-productive to his real-world business objectives. That is, unless his main goal is notoriety and to be the center of attention. These antics largely defeat his business purposes. There are a few other “madmen” like that around: a few are in politics here and around the world.
“Many of Musk’s maneuvers seem to be counter-productive to his real-world business objectives. “
I have no doubt that your statement has a bit of truth, but is it significant? Can you mention the three most counter-productive instances?
Those who complain of unregulated free speech shall always be a concern for civil liberties. Regulating free speech causes speech not to be entirely free, and the more it is regulated the less free it becomes. It comes as no surprise when those who hold their positions by making people fearful should now want them to be fearful of free speech as well.
Why is Elon’s words of a supposed attack even taken seriously. As I previously said, the author of the tracking blog tracks jets, not cars, And he has said he did not track anything for some time before the alleged attack on the car. And it is not real time tracking. It is tracking after a flight plan has been submitted. Did Elon submit a flight plan for his car with his kid in it?
To my knowledge there is no evidence of any alleged attack other than the photo of a man driving a car, not jumping on a car.
And then let’s add onto Elon’s credibility with regard to his promise to not sell any more stock. Then he sold how many $billions? I lost count. He won’t stop the jet tracker, he will stop the jet tracker. He banned journalists that had nothing to do with tracking other than they wrote stories not so nice about Elon.
Now to be clear, this whole “free speech” BS is just that, BS. Elon is under no obligation, legal or otherwise to allow or not allow anything he wants on his web site. He is running a private business and can do as he pleases with regards to what people say on his site. If he wants to rant about pedophiles and false stories about people, Go for it, watch out for defamation suites, but that is for another day.
How about Elon paying his debts? Rent is not being paid. He has not paid for his use of a jet when he bought Twitter. He is talking about not paying the promised 1 month salary and severance. Is he using the California laws about evicting tenants that don’t pay to his benefit? I thought he moved out of California because of the laws and taxes he did not like. Hypocrite?
The amount of misinformation on this (JTs) site is approaching the misinformation on Twitter. Purposeful misinformation is not good for society. Get the facts before you jump on a story.
I think Elon’s plan is to let Twitter go bankrupt. Once he was forced to overpay for the company he figured the only way to make money was to use it as a tax loss, thus bankruptcy, don’t pay the bills. And perhaps he might even come up with a mental incompetence defense with the crazy stuff he has been saying that is provably false.
Did I get any facts incorrect? Please correct me. I am not infallible.
Free speech? I thought that was what governments could not prevent.
“I am not infallible.”
You certainly aren’t. You don’’t even know how to create a proper case against Musk.
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Any account doxxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info.
Posting locations someone traveled to on a slightly delayed basis isn’t a safety problem, so is ok.
Face realty folks….if it were not for double standards the Left would have none.
Wrong can only be done by those who do not agree or conform to their views and agenda.
Think not…look at the criticism of Professor Turley right here on the Blog he allows a free exchange of views.
The EU is so far left in its thinking and policies I am surprised they have not taken action already.
In the Netherlands the Dutch Government is going to seize over 3,000 privately owned Farms due to EU Environmental Regulations imposed by the EU.
Look at how the Farmers who are protesting are being treated by their government.
Prove to me the Leftist Progressive Agenda is not doing great harm to those who believe in free speech and individual rights…..Musk is walking around with a huge target on his back because of his stand for freedom and unbiased social media.
As the old saw goes….”State rests its Case, your Honor!”.
Turley, with each passing day, we see another false Musk as free speech absolutist example. He’s taken several substantial steps to run the business in the ground and the minute another platform gets the capacity there will be massive layoffs and user decline. Crazy times.
“He’s taken several substantial steps to run the business in the ground.”
Do you know anything about business?
The first thing Musk is doing is cutting expenses. Twitter was failing. When taking over a failing business, one of the first things done is to cut costs.
You desperately need business experience.
That right there.
He cut the dead weight employees, you know, those that demanded a 4 hour work week.
He is auctioning off pre-Musk Twitter useless stuff, like thousand dollar coffee maker, an “@” sign garden thingy.
Closed the cafeteria. And some are crying he is starving all those well paid 4 hour work week employees!
Let us see where he and Twitter is in say two years from now.
Sloppy language leads to sloppy thinking, and Turley needs to learn the difference between “doxxing” and “stalking.”
These “journalists” weren’t suspended for “doxxing” — they were suspended for being accomplices to stalking. And it’s happening more and more. Just this morning at the garbage NY Post website — one of the worst garbage sites on the web — some degenerate (either a leftist democrat or a leftist RINO) started a new intimidation tactic of posting comment “replies” comprised simply of “#tracking John Doe” — with whoever the commenter is being the name used in place of John Doe. The idea is to send a mob of criminal degenerates out looking for information about the commenter — probably with the help of the NY Post “comment moderator” whose in possession of personal information about commenters, such as they email addresses.
Turley has NO CLUE what’s going on outside of his little bubble — no clue at all.
“Where was Jourova and the EU when Twitter was aggressively suspending media like the New York Post for publishing the true story of Hunter Biden’s laptop? How about the slew of conservative writers and experts barred for questioning official accounts on issues ranging from Covid to climate change?” (JT)
I’d have a lot more respect for them if they’d just be honest about the obvious: Embrace Leftist opinions, and we will protect you. If you dissent, then you’re screwed.
They want so much to institute hate speech criminal laws in the US.
1st Amendment is a bulwark against that; it is not meant to protect popular or uncontroversial speech, it is meant to protect exactly the kind of speech that offends somebody else.
Expressing your hatred of someone, or even of a group, is protected speech in the United States, no matter how badly other countries don’t like it, and wish to change our legal morals to their own.
The closest thing to hate speech criminalization in the US, is the institution of sentencing enhancements for other crimes.
The closest thing to hate speech criminalization in the US, is the institution of sentencing enhancements for other crimes.
I agree wholeheartedly Gary.
In June 2017, the Supreme Court affirmed in a unanimous decision on Matal v. Tam 582 U.S. ___ (2017) that the disparagement clause of the Lanham Actviolates the First Amendment’s free speech clause. The issue was about government prohibiting the registration of trademarks that are “racially disparaging”. Justice Samuel Alito wrote:
“Speech that demeans on the basis of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, age, disability, or any other similar ground is hateful; but the proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express “the thought that we hate”. United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U. S. 644, 655 (1929) (Holmes, J., dissenting).”
Justice Anthony Kennedy also wrote:
“A law that can be directed against speech found offensive to some portion of the public can be turned against minority and dissenting views to the detriment of all. The First Amendment does not entrust that power to the government’s benevolence. Instead, our reliance must be on the substantial safeguards of free and open discussion in a democratic society.”
Effectively, the Supreme Court unanimously reaffirmed that there is no ‘hate speech’ exception to the First Amendment.
Score 1 for Elon Musk. I agree with the Professor. Doxxing has always been threatening to individuals and was used expressly for that purpose. As Elon said “Jounalists” are not special and have to adhere to the rules just like everyone else. Strange concept I admit but there it is. As far as the EU is concerned, they are 1-not a democracy but an oligarchy 2-they are fascists and 3-about 60 members of the European Parliament are now under investigation for corruption.
So far all investigated are members of Social Democrat or Green parties. For those uninitiated in European Politics that’s the left. Only a matter of time before some on the right are investigated, maybe. Lots of money being passed around in suitcases. These parties are very close to many NGO’s, which some have described as very smooth money laundering outfits who seem to exercise outsized influence. That in itself screams money. Maybe there should be reform in the future. PAC’s and NGO’s and Charities and Foundations should have their wings clipped if not cut off entirely. It was bad enough that we had to deal with government corruption. Now it would seem obvious that these organizations wield far to much influence and are unofficial but de-facto governments that answers to no one but the money men and women who fund them.
Being the populist that I am, this is where we call for the pitchforks and torches and start marching on the castle, manor home or gated community.
Reading about the various so-called leftist journalists who have been banned for doxxing violations.
Funny to read about them crying they never doxxed, and then someone posts a screencapture of them doing exactly that.
One of the WaPo notorious hacks deleted her entire archive and took her account private.
Wonder why she would do that??
“I understand Musk’s view of such tracking as a form of doxxing (particularly after a man reportedly used the information to attack the car with one of his children inside).”
There is nothing in the link provided suggesting any information was used to attack his car. There is no information other than Musk’s belief that the person thought Musk was inside. Jonathan Turley, Mr. First Amendment Absolutist, is making excuses as to why it only applies sometimes. Hypocrisy much?
enigmainblackcom, you know the drill with Turley, he’s using manufactured issues from the right to keep their eyes on unmitigated BS.
FishWings: Asleep 24/7
The stalker at his car used the information from the location of his plane to arrive at the site. Not really a stretch of the imagination as far as I can tell. But, who knows.
How do you know, other than imagining it? Plane data isn’t in real time, you only know where his plane was. That doesn’t identify what exit one might take from an airport, what car he’s in, try again.
“Plane data isn’t in real time, you only know where his plane was.”
That is false.
A flight plan includes a plane’s locations (departures and arrivals) and times. Tracking a person *after* he has landed is easy. A person waits at the arrival airport, then follows the person as he gets into a car.
None of the sites (several) I’ve checked suggest flight plans are publicly available in real time though they can be obtained by filing a Freedom of Information Act (FOI) request within 15 days before the flight plan data is destroyed. If I am incorrect, please point to a source.
I do question the logistics of tracking someone from the airport to their car and following them, though it might be easier at a private airport. The example you use goes against Musk’s theory that the person that conducted the alleged assault thought it was him. They obviously didn’t follow Musk to his car as he wasn’t present.
“ Jonathan Turley, Mr. First Amendment Absolutist, is making excuses as to why it only applies sometimes. Hypocrisy much?”
Exactly.
Any claims of “free speech absolutism” always seem to be righteous until it applies to their personal lives. It’s the same mentality that constitutional originalists have.
“Hypocrisy much?”
– eib
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You’re a superior individual, that much is clear.
Do you still need wholly inequitable, antithetical and unconstitutional affirmative action, or may America dispense with it and return to its thesis of freedom and self-reliance and its fundamental law?
Are you able to succeed on merit?
…oh, and irrefutably antithetical and unconstitutional matriculation affirmative action, grade-inflation affirmative action, employment affirmative action, quotas, welfare, food stamps, minimum wage, rent control, social services, forced busing, public housing, utility subsidies, WIC, SNAP, TANF, HAMP, HARP, TARP, HHS, HUD, EPA, Agriculture, Commerce, Education, Labor, Energy, Obamacare, Social Security, Social Security Disability, Social Security Supplemental Income, Medicare, Medicaid, “Fair Housing” laws, “Non-Discrimination” laws, etc.?
Do you subscribe to Marx’s slogan?
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“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs?”
– Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme
Naturally, you don’t see a problem because Turley generally allows your hate speech. You imagine I have no right to be in this country, let alone possess a US Passport, drivers license, Social Security Card, and especially a Voter Registration Card. You are right in that the Constitution didn’t originally contemplate me being eligible for any of those things. Yoo bad about those pesky Amendments.
That is completely unresponsive; do you still need affirmative action?
Presumably, you are referring to Abraham Lincoln’s egregious and deleterious dereliction and failure to enforce extant immigration and naturalization law in 1863 – that’s a simple presentation of the law and its violation, oh, and I was not present and would not seem to share culpability.
Did the Egyptians provide affirmative action to the Israelite slaves post-release? There may be a “precedent.” I actually don’t know and will research for a supportable answer.
I understand completely. I would evade and deflect too.
One of the problems with the term hate speech is that it has no meaning.
So what specifically i it that George has said that you beleive requires Turley to Act ?
I am not interested in what you imagine George or anything else beleives.
What has he said that he is not free to say ?
You say things that are false and offensive all the time.
No one is looking to ban you.
Because the Truth sometimes is painful, hurtful, even rarely actually hateful, we can not censor all painful, hurtful, evenb hateful speech.
Over the years, I have reported a couple things to Prof. Turley. Not involving George who I never thought to report. To my recollection, George has not devolved to personal insults (just that of entire races of people) and he is boringly repetitive, posting the same list of complaints no matter the topic. I have previously objected to behavior to Professor Turley. It took a couple of exchanges but i do believe he took action in a case regarding CV Brown who changed my username to a variation of the N word and called me a boy. Enclosed is my exchange with Turley. I wasn;t told nor was I entitled to know just what action Turley took but it seemingly was addressed.
Hello Professor Turley,
I’ve been a regular on your blog for a few years now and have found some of the racist taunts and namecalling to be intolerable. My screen name is Enigma In Black, the same as my blog, although my real name is one click away for anyone interested. One particular commenter has taken to calling me “Eniggy” which I take to be exactly the same as calling me a nigger. I’ve said so publicly and still, he persists. Given the other racial names and insults, he frequently uses I have no doubt that the insult is intended.
I can appreciate your desire to foster free speech but it is not enough to depend on the regulars to monitor the board. I don’t know how much time you personally spend reviewing the comments, but someone should. Your blog has become a meeting place for several with racist views and if anything they only find encouragement.
I am only complaining about one particular person. CV Brown. His latest comment has already been removed in which he called me “Eniggy” and asked if eight was the number of out of wedlock “chillin’s” I had. The removal took place after I made a public request for your E-mail address (which you really should provide if this is the mechanism by which you wish to receive complaints). Removing a post after it has been up and read for hours or days is hardly a sufficient response. If there is no penalty, there’s no reason to stop.
I have mostly enjoyed participation on your blog notwithstanding the multiple personal attacks but I draw the line at being called a nigger. I’m hoping you’ll do the same.
William F Spivey
Jonathan Turley
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Thank you for letting me know William. I will look into it.
CV Brown (R)
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A second complaint of mind was about a later post by CV Brown
I knew it I knew it.
Ennigy just sits back and wait to jump in with his meritless racist crapola.
Ain’t that right boy 👦?
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Jonathan Turley
Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 3:55 PM
to me
Thanks. I will deal with it right away.
I have never suggested banning George, I agree with him often about the intent of the Founders and the meaning of some parts of the Constitution and how Lincoln felt about the slaves. He self-identifies as to what he is, what I find interesting is that none of you good people call him out on anything. I never claimed anyone was out to ban me nor am I out to ban anyone.
What is the point of this post ?
I asked you specifically why you thought Turley needed to take action regarding George.
You did not answer.
You provided an example involving a different person with lots of detail – but not what was needed to know if there was a foundation for action.
First, this is turley’s site.
He gets to make the rules.
Just as Musk does on Twitter now.
I think we would all prefer clear rules that we can know ahead of time.
We would also all prefer rules that are objective rather than subjective and not favoring a viewpoint.
With respect to some of the issues you address.
I am sorry if others call you names. But that is life. I have been called names my entire life – including probably every one that you have. I would prefer that people were civil, but given a choice between silenced and uncivil, I will live with uncivil.
Further it is stupid to pretend that some specific insults are magically different.
Is there some actual difference between being called some slang word for a specific race that has been labeled particularly vile, and being called a moron ?
To the extent that specific words have power – it is because you allow them to.
Fundimentally insults tell us more about the person doing the insulting.
I am all for letting people tell us who they are. That is one of the values of the least constrained speech.
Turley can ban people for using specific words if he wishes. But I would rather know who people are.
Many of those of you on the left weaponize words like racist and hate speech – and that tells the rest of us who you are.
Today most accusations of racism are themselves evidence of racism.
My children are asian, my daughter chinese, and the most of the racism they have faced is by people who see racism against blacks in everything.
If you see racism in everything – you are making yourself into a racist.
You only imagined I wanted Turley to take action on George. What answer would you have me give?
“You only imagined I wanted Turley to take action on George.”
Then what is there to discuss ?
“What answer would you have me give?”
I am not after anything from you.
You are making unclear pronouncements and have not provided sufficient information to evaluate them.
Turley can have whagtever rules he wants.
But I am not aware of George violating any of Turley’s rules.
I am not aware of anyone being blocked here that did not violate a known rule.
A small number of non-violative comments become inaccessible on occasion because they are children of a comment by a banned poster. That is a technical problem.
With respect to issues like “racism” George is no more racist than you.
He has an ahistorical view of US history and the constitution that features race inaccurately
So do you.
““You only imagined I wanted Turley to take action on George.”
Then what is there to discuss ?”
You really should know what discussions are about before inviting yourself in.
This is a public blog.
If your posts are unclear – or more likely even you do not know what you are talking about that is not my fault.
What I “imagine” is that you actually mean something when you post.
Aparently you are telling me that I am wrong.
This is you admitting you never learned to read with comprehension. When you jump in other peoples conversations, you really should have a grasp of the subject.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
This is a blog, not email.
There are no “other peoples conversations”.
The fact that you seem to think you are communicating via email suggests YOUR the one with a comprehension problem.
Regardless, the conflict of the moment is because I am not going to read your mind. I beleive I have an excellent idea what your posts mean.
But you did not say what you mean, and again I am not going to read your mind.
Further trying to draw you out, to state your positions clearly instead of buried in the mud is both a critical thinking skill and a discussion technique. Getting people to state their positions clearly and cleaning helps them refine their thinking. That is part of the reason that I post.
I wish there were other posters here with views different from my own who could actually articulate their positions well and who could more effectively challenge my own. Throughout my life engaging with others is how I formed and refined my own positions.
I try to do for you what others have done for me. I also hope for the same from you in return, but mostly I am disappointed.
And beleive me, I would far prefer you were much better at making your arguments.
Real learning occurs when you are most strongly challenged – atleast if your mind is open enough to learn.
“This is you admitting you never learned to read with comprehension. When you jump in other peoples conversations, you really should have a grasp of the subject.”
Typical left wing nut BS, when you do not have an argument, attack the person.
Would it have been so difficult for you to engage on a topic that YOU chose ? To restate your own position clearly ?
Instead we get a long thread of ad hominem from you.
I do not give a schiff that you do not agree – frankly, I want the most intelligent disagreement I can get.
You are a disappointment. You actively avoid getting to the core of any topic – and particularly those topics that you are most knowledgeable about. I promise to be ruthless. I expect no different from you. That is how learning occurs.
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion… Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them…he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty
I want your best, and you should expect no less from me.
If my arguments do not hold up, I promise you I will reconsider and revise them.
If you are smart you will do the same.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
Take your own advice. Absolutely no one whose opinion I care about thinks I am a fool.
Because you think reading comprehension is synonymous with mind reading
the discussion degenerates into debating how to debate.
Typical of the left.
I take it as a sign of lack of confidence in your own arguments.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
I have zero concern about being thought a fool by anyone whose opinion that I care about.
Those with actual intelligence that I respect and whose opinions I value know better.
But you may wish to take your own advice
As you will not let go. This whole thread started with your semi-obtuse accusation that George was engaging in hate speech.
I responded
“So what specifically is it that George has said that you believe requires Turley to Act ?”
almost a dozen exchanges later – you still have not answered.
Please explain to me why YOUR post is not defamatory ?
You made an accusation,
The accusation alone is moral condemnation of the target.
The accusation is defamatory.
The only evidence you provided is admitted mind reading, which you have refused to stand behind.
And when I asked for evidence, you have shucked and jived for half a dozen posts.
I think you should have taken your own advice from the start.
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
“So what specifically is it that George has said that you believe requires Turley to Act ?”
almost a dozen exchanges later – you still have not answered.
He has said that you invented the story that he believes Turley should act against George.
It is a given that hate speech is allowed on this blog. Blatant and obvious lies are also allowed or you would be long ago banned.
What has been said is that hate speech in general is allowed but when hate speech is directed at an individual Turley has in the past acted to end it
I have said in this thread that George doesn’t typically engage in personal attacks. I have never called for George to be banned/suspended though I have called for action against CV Brown and provided my exchanges with Turley about CV Brown. Youir argument fails because I never suggested George has engaged in personal attacks, he “limits” his attacks on whor races of people. I think he believes we’re a different species in fact. I like having George in the conversation though he really could stand to get some new material. George’s comments reveal a lot about him and those of you that encourage him actively or passively.
I have called George on several issues that I disagree with him on.
Why is it that you presume that it is necescary for anyone to call out all bad speech by anyone ?
Despite the constant and absolutely idiotic nonsense from the left – there is no consequential right wing threat in this country today.
It is entirely possible that if the left continues this conspiracy of censorship they will create one.
If the most extreme on the right magically gained power and got what they wanted this country might return to about were it was in the 80’s – that would not be the rebirth of facism, Nazi’s and Hitler.
Conversely those on the left are headed towards socialism – and not the faux failed european socialism that you think worked,
but a modern permutation of the Cultural revolution, or Venezeula or the French revolution, or 1984.
Obviously you are not bringing about EXACTLY one of those. But you are making all the same mistakes and will if you succeed get the same bloody results.
So no, I do not spend alot of time Calling George out. George is not dangerous.
You are. I have confronted you numerous times. I have no doubt you think you are a decent person fighting a good fight.
The most murderous and bloody revolutions require that.
It requires people that have incredible faith in the righteousness of their cause, and importance of acheiving it, to do the most vile things to other humans.
We do not get gulags, genocide, organized torture, …. except from those who ferverently beleive in their cause.
Correct me if I’m wrong as I seek facts and their proper disposition. I asked your position on clearly unconstitutional affirmative action. I have included inquiries regarding the entire unconstitutional American welfare state and historical references to your obsession, slavery in general and British colonial slavery in particular. My intent was debate in order to arrive at the intended and correct conclusions established by the American Founders and Framers. You have been nonresponsive. That you choose not to present facts as part of a debate but continually default to ad hominem does not bear.
I do not find false, artificial and perpetual righteous indignation of great reference or import in the Constitution.
Blogs are private property and only the owners may “claim and exercise” dominion, understanding the exception of overriding property damage and bodily injury.
“I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country.”
– Nathan Hale
I waste no time on you, George. You are what you are and proud of it. We are;t in a debate, I agree with you when you’re right about the Founders intent that others here won’t acknowledge. That’s all you get from me.
Thankful to be born and living in the USA every day with our Bill of Rights and constitutional system that restrains this type of government over reach.
The extent of the lefty alliance is slowly becoming apparent.
Musk is doing a great service in pushing the lefties out of the shadows.
n an attempt to smear Musk, some are ignoring and misrepresenting the financial realities of Twitter and of the social media industry.
In 2020, Twitter had a net loss of some $1.1 *billion*. In 2021, the net loss was some $220 million.
In addition, in 2022 there has been a well-documented drop of ad revenues for social media companies. As just one illustration: Meta’s (Fbook’s) stock price has plummeted some 65% in 2022.
And, so, the Left’s MO: Blame others for Biden’s failures. Blame Musk for factors outside his control.
It’s a well-executed con job.
Funny the “facts” JT uses in this. He does say “reportedly” with regard to the attack on his car. But the author of the blog denies he tracks cars, he tracks jets. And he tracks jets after the fact, not real time. So Elon is perhaps making up a story and JT fell for it.
How about adding how Elon is now refusing to pay rent for Twitter buildings. Or to pay for the flights he took when he first bought Twitter. Elon (the second richest person in the world) is a deadbeat driving his other company into the ground as he shows himself to be unhinged. Who wants to buy a Tesla from a guy that rants about pedophiles and stokes right ring propaganda. Who wants to advertise on a platform ran by a guy that is unhinged and entices right wing propaganda? Elon’s own tweet have caused death threats against his former employee. Now he is so concerned because “allegedly” his son was attacked. But the alleged attack appears to have nothing to do with the tracking of his jet.
JT, please do not join the fray of advocating false information. Perhaps JT can join some Tesla stock owners in a lawsuit agains Elon and the Board of Tesla for neglecting their fiduciary responsibility. TSLA stock is a dumpster fire since he bought Twitter. Or perhaps JT will join Elon in defense of his fiduciary responsibilities by claiming that free speech (as defined by Elon) trumps all other concerns.
The EU’s censors love you. So would the ones at the F.S.B. that ‘manage’ Russian media. The latter have lots of experience with useful idiots.
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Hypocrisy is the mainstay of the prog/left, no matter if it is in America or Europe. The truth of things always confronts their agendas (Just think of their green policies in Europe and how their refusal to see the facts will leave them vulnerable and cold) and so they just deny those things that deny their delusion.
Suspensions for doxxing are fully justified. It’s ironic that an EU that is ordinarily obsessively concerned about digital privacy should criticise enforcement of a clear anti-doxxing rule.
Do you have any evidence that doxxing in fact did occur? No links were provided in Turley’s post.
Without any such evidence, this is just Musk doing exactly what his predecessors did.
You wont find the evidence on MSM, other then those who did doxx complaining.
You have to go to alt-media sites to find the evidence.
Links to articles with primary sources other than Musk’s mouth?
What right do you have to ask others to link to primary sources when you have been incorrect, and your links frequently turn out to be meaningless?
Turley is the one making the claims. It’s his burden to provide the evidence. Turley is being a gullible idiot by just buying what Elon is saying without verifying it. That is what real journalists do.
Turley is just trying to provide some cover for Elon’s obvious hypocrisy as a “free speech absolutist” Turley knows he’s just as big a hypocrite as Elon so he is providing some “backup”. One hypocrite helping another avoid the obvious and painful…hypocrisy.
https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252522665/Supreme-Court-justices-doxxed-on-dark-web.
“You have to go to alt-media sites to find the evidence”
ROFL
We know you ROFL a lot. Do you ever shower?
Alt-media sites have been more factual and accurate in reporting than MSM.
ATS, do you have evidence that what Turley said isn’t true? He has an excellent reputation, and you have none.
Everyone but you seems to know about the college student tracking his plane. That is dangerous for him and his family. The only one who seems to be unaware is you.
Hey Anonymous, we know that the addresses of Supreme Court Justices and where their children went to school was made public. Your saying that there is no proof of doxxing is not only absurd but also stupid. Here’s the link that you have requested. https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/252522665/Supreme-Court-justices-doxxed-on-dark-web. Duh.
Elon Musk, “Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not.” Clear, concise and justified.
Interesting how little attention MSM is to this stalker.